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Posted: 1/5/2023 12:29:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you steal that from Sebastian Gorka is it just an amazing coincidence? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: In for another day of embarrassment for our nation. Regarding the vote for Speaker: See how hard it is rig an election when there's no drop-boxes and you verify the identity of everyone who's voting? Busted. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 12:30:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was me  I just asked people to stop the thread sliding. Dont taze me, bro! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, you say that Senate President isn't a separate elected position. Then does that mean they have to be elected in their district? Again, term limits don't stop corruption. Wilton Simpson became the Senate President because it was "his turn" since he was the "senior lawmaker" who was previously the Majority Leader. Just like McCarthy. Same with Galvano and Passidomo. In another thread, you said: Ego is a big problem with career politicians, especially ones that think they are "entitled" to the job. This fiasco is a "I'm in charge and you're not" kind of idiocy. He needs to get over himself if he wants to be Speaker. If he can't, then he'll never be Speaker. Guess what, term limits doesn't stop that. It accelerates it. Instead of 40 years, it is 8 years. OK, so if Joe Blow gets term-limited out from being elected in his district, by definition, he can't be Senate President any more. You see how this works? Term limits absolutely stops the kind of career corruption we see in DC. There wouldn't be a "ranking member" as all of them would be either on term 1 or 2. Redistricting resets the clock, so if someone is elected in 2022 and they're around in 2030 when the next census happens and the districts are redrawn, BAM, clock is reset and they have another two terms they can run for again with no break. They build time and seniority in office thst way. State Reps serve two-year terms and can serve a total of four of 'em in one shot without a break. Senators serve four year terms, hence limited to two terms. Every two years, the Senate elects a new Majority Leader and a New Senate President. Dennis Baxley has been in office since 2010 and due to redistricting, the clock has been reset for him. He has another eight years he can be in office. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122381/Screenshot_20230105_020419_jpg-2661041.JPG He's now Number 3 in the Senate due to seniority. He served 7 years, took a two year break, served another 6 years in the House, then did 6 in the Senate and due to redistricting, he has another 8, and if he sticks around for 2030, he'll get another 8 again. He's been in office since Bill Clinton was President. Again, term limits don't stop what you think it does. So, they get two 4 year terms then they have to find something else to do (or 4 terms of 2 for your House). Some states have lifetime limits on Governorships. Seems like that would be a good practice to implement for legislatures, too. You only get 2 shots at the pig trough. Better hope you have an actual skill/business to fall back on once you're done. This was the idea of the Founders. Citizen legislators that go back to work after their "sentence" in the legislature was up. Mods, please ban the slow learners from this thread as promised. (Slow learner because you've been warned about continuing to derail this thread, not specifically because you think term limits are the answer.) Right now, we're waiting for the next session to see if anything has changed (new nominees, brokered deals, etc.). Until then, I'm okay with letting people discuss anything related/relevant so long as the conversation stays out of personal attacks. We should probably wrap up the term limit conversation before long, however, as neither side is convincing the other of much. I'm not going to give the typical mod hate because I know it's a thankless, no win job. I will suggest, however, that mods don't make threats they aren't prepared to follow through on. Could you be specific? I'm not sure I've threatened anything other than to warn and boot people fighting over trump here.  Somewhere earlier in this thread the people bickering over term limits were warned to stop derailing the thread. I'm not going back through the entire history trying to find it, so my apologies it if wasn't you. I don't think that was me. I don't even think it was a mod. It was me I just asked people to stop the thread sliding. Dont taze me, bro! Term limits argument: 
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Posted: 1/5/2023 12:30:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think that was me. I don't even think it was a mod. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, you say that Senate President isn't a separate elected position. Then does that mean they have to be elected in their district? Again, term limits don't stop corruption. Wilton Simpson became the Senate President because it was "his turn" since he was the "senior lawmaker" who was previously the Majority Leader. Just like McCarthy. Same with Galvano and Passidomo. In another thread, you said: Ego is a big problem with career politicians, especially ones that think they are "entitled" to the job. This fiasco is a "I'm in charge and you're not" kind of idiocy. He needs to get over himself if he wants to be Speaker. If he can't, then he'll never be Speaker. Guess what, term limits doesn't stop that. It accelerates it. Instead of 40 years, it is 8 years. OK, so if Joe Blow gets term-limited out from being elected in his district, by definition, he can't be Senate President any more. You see how this works? Term limits absolutely stops the kind of career corruption we see in DC. There wouldn't be a "ranking member" as all of them would be either on term 1 or 2. Redistricting resets the clock, so if someone is elected in 2022 and they're around in 2030 when the next census happens and the districts are redrawn, BAM, clock is reset and they have another two terms they can run for again with no break. They build time and seniority in office thst way. State Reps serve two-year terms and can serve a total of four of 'em in one shot without a break. Senators serve four year terms, hence limited to two terms. Every two years, the Senate elects a new Majority Leader and a New Senate President. Dennis Baxley has been in office since 2010 and due to redistricting, the clock has been reset for him. He has another eight years he can be in office. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122381/Screenshot_20230105_020419_jpg-2661041.JPG He's now Number 3 in the Senate due to seniority. He served 7 years, took a two year break, served another 6 years in the House, then did 6 in the Senate and due to redistricting, he has another 8, and if he sticks around for 2030, he'll get another 8 again. He's been in office since Bill Clinton was President. Again, term limits don't stop what you think it does. So, they get two 4 year terms then they have to find something else to do (or 4 terms of 2 for your House). Some states have lifetime limits on Governorships. Seems like that would be a good practice to implement for legislatures, too. You only get 2 shots at the pig trough. Better hope you have an actual skill/business to fall back on once you're done. This was the idea of the Founders. Citizen legislators that go back to work after their "sentence" in the legislature was up. Mods, please ban the slow learners from this thread as promised. (Slow learner because you've been warned about continuing to derail this thread, not specifically because you think term limits are the answer.) Right now, we're waiting for the next session to see if anything has changed (new nominees, brokered deals, etc.). Until then, I'm okay with letting people discuss anything related/relevant so long as the conversation stays out of personal attacks. We should probably wrap up the term limit conversation before long, however, as neither side is convincing the other of much. I'm not going to give the typical mod hate because I know it's a thankless, no win job. I will suggest, however, that mods don't make threats they aren't prepared to follow through on. Could you be specific? I'm not sure I've threatened anything other than to warn and boot people fighting over trump here. Somewhere earlier in this thread the people bickering over term limits were warned to stop derailing the thread. I'm not going back through the entire history trying to find it, so my apologies it if wasn't you. I don't think that was me. I don't even think it was a mod. If not, my apologies. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 12:31:57 PM EDT
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Quoted: It was me I just asked people to stop the thread sliding. Dont taze me, bro! 
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Posted: 1/5/2023 12:36:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a path to a vote and putting everyone on record. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Site the part that forbids it. I won't hold my breath either. https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S3-C3-3/ALDE_00013347/ The more I look at this issue the more I think that it would require an amendment--so I will admit I was wrong. I still think term limits--3 terms tops is a good thing. If you're going to hold the speakership hostage, at least ask for something of value the other side can give you. There is a path to a vote and putting everyone on record. A token vote is worth holding the speakership hostage? Because that's what this is, this is one side holding a gun to the head of something the other values. I'm not opposed to that in theory but ask is fucking stupid. Get some tangible concessions from McCarthy. Note: For the record, my discussion of term limits is limited to its relation to the negotiating tactics of the Freedom Caucus, not the merits of the idea itself. So don't ban me bro. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 12:40:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A token vote is worth holding the speakership hostage? Because that's what this is, this is one side holding a gun to the head of something the other values. I'm not opposed to that in theory but ask is fucking stupid. Get some tangible concessions from McCarthy. Its so token KM wont bother to agree to it? |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 12:40:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A token vote is worth holding the speakership hostage? Because that's what this is, this is one side holding a gun to the head of something the other values. I'm not opposed to that in theory but ask is fucking stupid. Get some tangible concessions from McCarthy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Site the part that forbids it. I won't hold my breath either. https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S3-C3-3/ALDE_00013347/ The more I look at this issue the more I think that it would require an amendment--so I will admit I was wrong. I still think term limits--3 terms tops is a good thing. If you're going to hold the speakership hostage, at least ask for something of value the other side can give you. There is a path to a vote and putting everyone on record. A token vote is worth holding the speakership hostage? Because that's what this is, this is one side holding a gun to the head of something the other values. I'm not opposed to that in theory but ask is fucking stupid. Get some tangible concessions from McCarthy. It appears the problem is that McCarthy isn't interested in giving any concessions. He thinks he's entitled to the speakership and these holdouts are just an annoyance. Anyone that clueless shouldn't be the SOTH and 3rd in line for the Presidency. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 12:41:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kevin McCarthy gave 46% of his votes to Nancy Pelosi in the last 6 years. Nancy Pelosi gave 7% of her vote to Republicans in the last 6 years. Nor surprising... ETA: Not... |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 12:41:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mitch McConnell could resign today and he would still have control over almost everything that happens in DC. He has connections, appointed officials, appointed cabinet members, appointed judges, and personally knows every single high value donor. Ever here of the "Good Ole Boys Club"? It is real and it is how politics work. Some of the state level positions in Kentucky are term limited as well, yet Ryan Quarles who has strong connections with the state level establishment has been holding one office or another for over a decade and now he is running for Governor. The establishment, state or federal, gets their anointed people in power and they keep pushing the same agenda whether it is the same position or not. Ask yourself this: does a Commissioner of Agriculture meet with legislators, propose legislative changes to them, and speak at committee meetings? The answer is yes. At that point does it doesn't matter if they are legislator casting the vote or the one working with the legislators to draft the bill, the end result is the same legislative agenda and changes get passed. If someone is term limited after 8 years and hold 3 different positions then they have political power and influence for 24 years. That is a lot of people hired, people appointed, and connections with donors. The only thing term limits really does is create an opening for the people to become active and disrupt the establishment. But people actually have to become activists and push for changes and 99% of the time that is too much work for people. And that's it for now.... since we're twenty minutes from the festivities starting up again. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 12:42:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It appears the problem is that McCarthy isn't interested in giving any concessions. He thinks he's entitled to the speakership and these holdouts are just an annoyance. Anyone that clueless shouldn't be the SOTH and 3rd in line for the Presidency. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Site the part that forbids it. I won't hold my breath either. https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S3-C3-3/ALDE_00013347/ The more I look at this issue the more I think that it would require an amendment--so I will admit I was wrong. I still think term limits--3 terms tops is a good thing. If you're going to hold the speakership hostage, at least ask for something of value the other side can give you. There is a path to a vote and putting everyone on record. A token vote is worth holding the speakership hostage? Because that's what this is, this is one side holding a gun to the head of something the other values. I'm not opposed to that in theory but ask is fucking stupid. Get some tangible concessions from McCarthy. It appears the problem is that McCarthy isn't interested in giving any concessions. He thinks he's entitled to the speakership and these holdouts are just an annoyance. Anyone that clueless shouldn't be the SOTH and 3rd in line for the Presidency. Agree 100% on this. If he had the skills necessary to be speaker, he would have had this shit wrapped up with a bow behind closed doors before Christmas. This is one of those situations where if there's any question whether you're the guy, you're not the guy. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 12:43:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Term limits argument: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, you say that Senate President isn't a separate elected position. Then does that mean they have to be elected in their district? Again, term limits don't stop corruption. Wilton Simpson became the Senate President because it was "his turn" since he was the "senior lawmaker" who was previously the Majority Leader. Just like McCarthy. Same with Galvano and Passidomo. In another thread, you said: Ego is a big problem with career politicians, especially ones that think they are "entitled" to the job. This fiasco is a "I'm in charge and you're not" kind of idiocy. He needs to get over himself if he wants to be Speaker. If he can't, then he'll never be Speaker. Guess what, term limits doesn't stop that. It accelerates it. Instead of 40 years, it is 8 years. OK, so if Joe Blow gets term-limited out from being elected in his district, by definition, he can't be Senate President any more. You see how this works? Term limits absolutely stops the kind of career corruption we see in DC. There wouldn't be a "ranking member" as all of them would be either on term 1 or 2. Redistricting resets the clock, so if someone is elected in 2022 and they're around in 2030 when the next census happens and the districts are redrawn, BAM, clock is reset and they have another two terms they can run for again with no break. They build time and seniority in office thst way. State Reps serve two-year terms and can serve a total of four of 'em in one shot without a break. Senators serve four year terms, hence limited to two terms. Every two years, the Senate elects a new Majority Leader and a New Senate President. Dennis Baxley has been in office since 2010 and due to redistricting, the clock has been reset for him. He has another eight years he can be in office. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122381/Screenshot_20230105_020419_jpg-2661041.JPG He's now Number 3 in the Senate due to seniority. He served 7 years, took a two year break, served another 6 years in the House, then did 6 in the Senate and due to redistricting, he has another 8, and if he sticks around for 2030, he'll get another 8 again. He's been in office since Bill Clinton was President. Again, term limits don't stop what you think it does. So, they get two 4 year terms then they have to find something else to do (or 4 terms of 2 for your House). Some states have lifetime limits on Governorships. Seems like that would be a good practice to implement for legislatures, too. You only get 2 shots at the pig trough. Better hope you have an actual skill/business to fall back on once you're done. This was the idea of the Founders. Citizen legislators that go back to work after their "sentence" in the legislature was up. Mods, please ban the slow learners from this thread as promised. (Slow learner because you've been warned about continuing to derail this thread, not specifically because you think term limits are the answer.) Right now, we're waiting for the next session to see if anything has changed (new nominees, brokered deals, etc.). Until then, I'm okay with letting people discuss anything related/relevant so long as the conversation stays out of personal attacks. We should probably wrap up the term limit conversation before long, however, as neither side is convincing the other of much. I'm not going to give the typical mod hate because I know it's a thankless, no win job. I will suggest, however, that mods don't make threats they aren't prepared to follow through on. Could you be specific? I'm not sure I've threatened anything other than to warn and boot people fighting over trump here. Somewhere earlier in this thread the people bickering over term limits were warned to stop derailing the thread. I'm not going back through the entire history trying to find it, so my apologies it if wasn't you. I don't think that was me. I don't even think it was a mod. It was me I just asked people to stop the thread sliding. Dont taze me, bro! Term limits argument: Word is, Term Limits is one of the things the Freedom Caucus wants. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 12:45:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A token vote is worth holding the speakership hostage? Because that's what this is, this is one side holding a gun to the head of something the other values. I'm not opposed to that in theory but ask is fucking stupid. Get some tangible concessions from McCarthy. Note: For the record, my discussion of term limits is limited to its relation to the negotiating tactics of the Freedom Caucus, not the merits of the idea itself. So don't ban me bro. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Site the part that forbids it. I won't hold my breath either. https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S3-C3-3/ALDE_00013347/ The more I look at this issue the more I think that it would require an amendment--so I will admit I was wrong. I still think term limits--3 terms tops is a good thing. If you're going to hold the speakership hostage, at least ask for something of value the other side can give you. There is a path to a vote and putting everyone on record. A token vote is worth holding the speakership hostage? Because that's what this is, this is one side holding a gun to the head of something the other values. I'm not opposed to that in theory but ask is fucking stupid. Get some tangible concessions from McCarthy. Note: For the record, my discussion of term limits is limited to its relation to the negotiating tactics of the Freedom Caucus, not the merits of the idea itself. So don't ban me bro. Agree focused on McCarthy I think the whole point that putting everyone on record for term limits is easy and well within McCarthys power. It doesn't hurt anything to do it. But at this point the McCarthy well is poisoned and nothing will recover him. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 12:54:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Word is, Term Limits is one of the things the Freedom Caucus wants. McCarthy should just say he'll get it all the way to a floor vote. Everyone knows it won't pass. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 12:55:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: McCarthy should just say he'll get it all the way to a floor vote. Everyone knows it won't pass. It might pass the House. Its more about getting everyone on record. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:02:34 PM EDT
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Well, it's noon. Let the games begin.
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:03:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, it's noon. Let the games begin. 
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:03:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly, and that's how it works in FL. And that's it for now.... since we're twenty minutes from the festivities starting up again. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Mitch McConnell could resign today and he would still have control over almost everything that happens in DC. He has connections, appointed officials, appointed cabinet members, appointed judges, and personally knows every single high value donor. Ever here of the "Good Ole Boys Club"? It is real and it is how politics work. Some of the state level positions in Kentucky are term limited as well, yet Ryan Quarles who has strong connections with the state level establishment has been holding one office or another for over a decade and now he is running for Governor. The establishment, state or federal, gets their anointed people in power and they keep pushing the same agenda whether it is the same position or not. Ask yourself this: does a Commissioner of Agriculture meet with legislators, propose legislative changes to them, and speak at committee meetings? The answer is yes. At that point does it doesn't matter if they are legislator casting the vote or the one working with the legislators to draft the bill, the end result is the same legislative agenda and changes get passed. If someone is term limited after 8 years and hold 3 different positions then they have political power and influence for 24 years. That is a lot of people hired, people appointed, and connections with donors. The only thing term limits really does is create an opening for the people to become active and disrupt the establishment. But people actually have to become activists and push for changes and 99% of the time that is too much work for people. And that's it for now.... since we're twenty minutes from the festivities starting up again. Look at the wonders it's done for California. The Epic POS known as Darrel Steinberg, termed out of the legislature, then runs and becomes mayor of Sacramento. Even when you get these assholes out the just infect another part of the system. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:04:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:05:46 PM EDT
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Term limits is utterly meaningless as they won't pass the senate.
Concessions should be focused on actually effectively using the power of the house, ensuring that we don't get any more ridiculous "omnibus" legislation with seven minutes before a vote is called on it, making sure actual investigations of "intelligence" and federal LE agencies will be done, etc. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:07:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Term limits is utterly meaningless as they won't pass the senate. Concessions should be focused on actually effectively using the power of the house, ensuring that we don't get any more ridiculous "omnibus" legislation with seven minutes before a vote is called on it, making sure actual investigations of "intelligence" and federal LE agencies will be done, etc. McCarthy wouldn't do any of that either so..... Keep the place shut down? |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:08:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:08:36 PM EDT
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What's this quorum thing, not everybody showing up today ?
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:09:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Word is, Term Limits is one of the things the Freedom Caucus wants. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, you say that Senate President isn't a separate elected position. Then does that mean they have to be elected in their district? Again, term limits don't stop corruption. Wilton Simpson became the Senate President because it was "his turn" since he was the "senior lawmaker" who was previously the Majority Leader. Just like McCarthy. Same with Galvano and Passidomo. In another thread, you said: Ego is a big problem with career politicians, especially ones that think they are "entitled" to the job. This fiasco is a "I'm in charge and you're not" kind of idiocy. He needs to get over himself if he wants to be Speaker. If he can't, then he'll never be Speaker. Guess what, term limits doesn't stop that. It accelerates it. Instead of 40 years, it is 8 years. OK, so if Joe Blow gets term-limited out from being elected in his district, by definition, he can't be Senate President any more. You see how this works? Term limits absolutely stops the kind of career corruption we see in DC. There wouldn't be a "ranking member" as all of them would be either on term 1 or 2. Redistricting resets the clock, so if someone is elected in 2022 and they're around in 2030 when the next census happens and the districts are redrawn, BAM, clock is reset and they have another two terms they can run for again with no break. They build time and seniority in office thst way. State Reps serve two-year terms and can serve a total of four of 'em in one shot without a break. Senators serve four year terms, hence limited to two terms. Every two years, the Senate elects a new Majority Leader and a New Senate President. Dennis Baxley has been in office since 2010 and due to redistricting, the clock has been reset for him. He has another eight years he can be in office. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122381/Screenshot_20230105_020419_jpg-2661041.JPG He's now Number 3 in the Senate due to seniority. He served 7 years, took a two year break, served another 6 years in the House, then did 6 in the Senate and due to redistricting, he has another 8, and if he sticks around for 2030, he'll get another 8 again. He's been in office since Bill Clinton was President. Again, term limits don't stop what you think it does. So, they get two 4 year terms then they have to find something else to do (or 4 terms of 2 for your House). Some states have lifetime limits on Governorships. Seems like that would be a good practice to implement for legislatures, too. You only get 2 shots at the pig trough. Better hope you have an actual skill/business to fall back on once you're done. This was the idea of the Founders. Citizen legislators that go back to work after their "sentence" in the legislature was up. Mods, please ban the slow learners from this thread as promised. (Slow learner because you've been warned about continuing to derail this thread, not specifically because you think term limits are the answer.) Right now, we're waiting for the next session to see if anything has changed (new nominees, brokered deals, etc.). Until then, I'm okay with letting people discuss anything related/relevant so long as the conversation stays out of personal attacks. We should probably wrap up the term limit conversation before long, however, as neither side is convincing the other of much. I'm not going to give the typical mod hate because I know it's a thankless, no win job. I will suggest, however, that mods don't make threats they aren't prepared to follow through on. Could you be specific? I'm not sure I've threatened anything other than to warn and boot people fighting over trump here. Somewhere earlier in this thread the people bickering over term limits were warned to stop derailing the thread. I'm not going back through the entire history trying to find it, so my apologies it if wasn't you. I don't think that was me. I don't even think it was a mod. It was me I just asked people to stop the thread sliding. Dont taze me, bro! Term limits argument: Word is, Term Limits is one of the things the Freedom Caucus wants. Not seriously. Everyone makes demands they don't expect to get so that they have room to concede. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:11:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It might pass the House. Its more about getting everyone on record. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: McCarthy should just say he'll get it all the way to a floor vote. Everyone knows it won't pass. It might pass the House. Its more about getting everyone on record. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:13:19 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Word is, Term Limits is one of the things the Freedom Caucus wants. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, you say that Senate President isn't a separate elected position. Then does that mean they have to be elected in their district? Again, term limits don't stop corruption. Wilton Simpson became the Senate President because it was "his turn" since he was the "senior lawmaker" who was previously the Majority Leader. Just like McCarthy. Same with Galvano and Passidomo. In another thread, you said: Ego is a big problem with career politicians, especially ones that think they are "entitled" to the job. This fiasco is a "I'm in charge and you're not" kind of idiocy. He needs to get over himself if he wants to be Speaker. If he can't, then he'll never be Speaker. Guess what, term limits doesn't stop that. It accelerates it. Instead of 40 years, it is 8 years. OK, so if Joe Blow gets term-limited out from being elected in his district, by definition, he can't be Senate President any more. You see how this works? Term limits absolutely stops the kind of career corruption we see in DC. There wouldn't be a "ranking member" as all of them would be either on term 1 or 2. Redistricting resets the clock, so if someone is elected in 2022 and they're around in 2030 when the next census happens and the districts are redrawn, BAM, clock is reset and they have another two terms they can run for again with no break. They build time and seniority in office thst way. State Reps serve two-year terms and can serve a total of four of 'em in one shot without a break. Senators serve four year terms, hence limited to two terms. Every two years, the Senate elects a new Majority Leader and a New Senate President. Dennis Baxley has been in office since 2010 and due to redistricting, the clock has been reset for him. He has another eight years he can be in office. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122381/Screenshot_20230105_020419_jpg-2661041.JPG He's now Number 3 in the Senate due to seniority. He served 7 years, took a two year break, served another 6 years in the House, then did 6 in the Senate and due to redistricting, he has another 8, and if he sticks around for 2030, he'll get another 8 again. He's been in office since Bill Clinton was President. Again, term limits don't stop what you think it does. So, they get two 4 year terms then they have to find something else to do (or 4 terms of 2 for your House). Some states have lifetime limits on Governorships. Seems like that would be a good practice to implement for legislatures, too. You only get 2 shots at the pig trough. Better hope you have an actual skill/business to fall back on once you're done. This was the idea of the Founders. Citizen legislators that go back to work after their "sentence" in the legislature was up. Mods, please ban the slow learners from this thread as promised. (Slow learner because you've been warned about continuing to derail this thread, not specifically because you think term limits are the answer.) Right now, we're waiting for the next session to see if anything has changed (new nominees, brokered deals, etc.). Until then, I'm okay with letting people discuss anything related/relevant so long as the conversation stays out of personal attacks. We should probably wrap up the term limit conversation before long, however, as neither side is convincing the other of much. I'm not going to give the typical mod hate because I know it's a thankless, no win job. I will suggest, however, that mods don't make threats they aren't prepared to follow through on. Could you be specific? I'm not sure I've threatened anything other than to warn and boot people fighting over trump here. Somewhere earlier in this thread the people bickering over term limits were warned to stop derailing the thread. I'm not going back through the entire history trying to find it, so my apologies it if wasn't you. I don't think that was me. I don't even think it was a mod. It was me I just asked people to stop the thread sliding. Dont taze me, bro! Term limits argument: Word is, Term Limits is one of the things the Freedom Caucus wants. Call it up for a vote. All Dems will vote against, the at least a dozen RINOs. End of story. Like a lot of things, GOP says they are for one thing, but don't want to vote on it. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:14:48 PM EDT
[#26]
John James dipped in the Swamp real fast.
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:15:26 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: McCarthy wouldn't do any of that either so..... Keep the place shut down? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Term limits is utterly meaningless as they won't pass the senate. Concessions should be focused on actually effectively using the power of the house, ensuring that we don't get any more ridiculous "omnibus" legislation with seven minutes before a vote is called on it, making sure actual investigations of "intelligence" and federal LE agencies will be done, etc. McCarthy wouldn't do any of that either so..... Keep the place shut down? |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:15:27 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, it's noon. Let the games begin.  Reporting for duty, sir. Let the poo-flinging begin. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:19:16 PM EDT
[#29]
fine then,
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:22:16 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote History As if |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:22:56 PM EDT
[#31]
Any word of a deal made?
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:25:01 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryThey can't say a simple name without bloviating... |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:26:02 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They can't say a simple name without bloviating... WOOO DONALDS NOMINATED AGAIN! |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:26:38 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: McCarthy wouldn't do any of that either so..... Keep the place shut down? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Term limits is utterly meaningless as they won't pass the senate. Concessions should be focused on actually effectively using the power of the house, ensuring that we don't get any more ridiculous "omnibus" legislation with seven minutes before a vote is called on it, making sure actual investigations of "intelligence" and federal LE agencies will be done, etc. McCarthy wouldn't do any of that either so..... Keep the place shut down?  ...
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:26:56 PM EDT
[#35]
Byron Donalds again..
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:27:56 PM EDT
[#36]
Calling out that cunt Bush for her BS she said yesterday about Donalds.
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:28:25 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Calling out that cunt Bush for her BS she said yesterday about Donalds. I like it ! |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:28:26 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Calling out that cunt Bush for her BS she said yesterday about Donalds. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:29:49 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Kevin McCarthy gave 46% of his votes to Nancy Pelosi in the last 6 years. Nancy Pelosi gave 7% of her vote to Republicans in the last 6 years. Can we have that with $ figures attached? |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:30:12 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Which Bush? Cori |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:30:29 PM EDT
[#41]
I thought John Bishop was gonna stand up, throw his hands in the air and yell "BRU-THAS!!!"
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:31:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:31:46 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought John Bishop was gonna stand up, throw his hands in the air and yell "BRU-THAS!!!" Who is the chicky snack behind him? 
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:35:18 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Come on man, politics should happen behind closed doors in secret. It's better for our country that way. Internal party agreements are internal party agreements. They shouldn't be public discussions. You want the public discussion, it's called a debate on the floor. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:35:27 PM EDT
[#45]
Vote in progress.
ETA: Its looking like it will fail again. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:36:47 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you're going to hold the speakership hostage, at least ask for something of value the other side can give you. Truth be told we don't really know what they're asking for... |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:37:07 PM EDT
[#47]
Donalds up to 4 votes.
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:37:47 PM EDT
[#48]
 The one vote to vacate sounds like a big mistake where he's giving up to much just so he can be speaker, even if it weakens the house |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:37:50 PM EDT
[#49]
I've heard at least four votes for Donalds... it's that all that is needed to force another vote?
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:38:32 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Donalds up to 4 votes. |
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