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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:14:37 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Were loaned to Explorers and they were usually allowed to comb through the back room for older gear to (unofficially) have as for keeps. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: State claims PD didn't give Kyle a bullet proof vest and he doesn't attend the school he claimed? We loan vests to our Explorers. Were loaned to Explorers and they were usually allowed to comb through the back room for older gear to (unofficially) have as for keeps. Same. I'm not sure any of that gear is actually tracked or "issued". It would have been considered obsolete by the PD. The vests are all expired units. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:14:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kyle Rittenhouse Trial Day 8 Analysis Posted on November 11, 2021 John @LawyerUp Some armchair legal quarterbacking following day 8 of the Kyle Rittenhouse self defense trial in Wisconsin. This is an important firearms related self defense case which illustrates the importance of attorney skill and tactics in jury trial advocacy. There’s been some surprising events so far in the trial, including the testimony of the defendant himself today. In fact, something shocking happened during Kyle’s cross examination which may itself be a constitutional violation. Join me to watch some of it and discuss…… Freedom is Scary Episode 80:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g0WWr0B-LkI'll be doing another one tonight at 6:30 ET. Chris Weist may join me, not sure yet. One day I finally get freed up to watch the trial tomorrow and they're gonna do paperwork.....  I do what I can, when I can..... I think this trial is fascinating though.  Rittenhouse Trial Day 9 Legal Analysis |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:14:53 PM EDT
[#3]
So lets see what kind of drama happens over the weekend. Anybody want to guess how many jurors leak to the press or get tainted by somebody talking about the case and have to be removed?
I'm gonna feel robbed if there's not one or two of them getting booted monday morning. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:14:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How is that wrong? Pointing your weapon at someone is assault in most states is it not? Also, it is a threat, as we saw from bicep boy. So, one could assume that someone would take exception to that and try to attack said person. It sucks for sure, but if the image does show something, and I think it must if the judge allowed it, then Kyle is in some hot water. Once Kyle retreated and was cornered, it was self defense. Pedo had the option to pursue or not. He was already the aggressor when Kyle pointed at him, as a deterrent. Kyle said this happened during his testimony. This shitty video is supposed to show Kyle pointing a gun at someone that has been cropped out of the image, if I am hearing correctly. I am mostly deaf, so I can't understand everything. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:15:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's the deal with "additional charges"? Is that a thing at the end of trials? Apparently they can add lesser charges that are part of the major charges. Their video at the end will be their avenue although seeing the pictures now makes me wonder how they even can. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:16:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Went to the range for a while, any real progress? The prosecution spent the afternoon trying to get an enhanced photo submitted as evidence that shows two things: 1) Jack 2) Shit |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:16:38 PM EDT
[#7]
Adding lesser charges is an “Oh fuck we’re gonna lose, throw a Hail Mary.”
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:16:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rittenhouse is fucked, IMO. "Lesser included charges" Literally no chance he walks at this point. Trial has been politicized too far. Having 3 days to intimidate and harrass any potential jurors - as well as for ANTIFAGs to start burning and threatening to loot what's left of Kenosha. You're almost never going to have a murder case that doesnt have instructions on lesser included charges. In Virginia, the standard only requires some scintilla of evidence that supports the inclusion of the instruction. Every now and then you get all or nothing instructions (and it might be appropriate in this case), but it's uncommon. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:16:46 PM EDT
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FD8dXVkXsAUvMG4?format=jpg&name=900x900 Lol, a walking charicature. What an ironic amount of projection |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:16:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Apparently. Now they get to add Murder 3, Manslaughter 1/3, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What's the deal with "additional charges"? Is that a thing at the end of trials? Apparently. Now they get to add Murder 3, Manslaughter 1/3, etc. That is total bullshit if they do. Hopefully the judge throws it all out with prejudice on Monday. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:17:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Once Kyle retreated and was cornered, it was self defense. Pedo had the option to pursue or not. He was already the aggressor when Kyle pointed at him, as a deterrent. Kyle said this happened during his testimony. This shitty video is supposed to show Kyle pointing a gun at someone that has been cropped out of the image, if I am hearing correctly. I am mostly deaf, so I can't understand everything. Yeah well that shitty photo actually shows jack shit. I'm beyond pissed at the judge now. He never should have allowed a photo in that isn't clear as day. There is no clear view of a rifle being aimed at anyone. What in gods name did he see? |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:17:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What are you concern trolling over now? Concern trolling? Quite the opposite. Kyle is 10,000% innocent (even on the gun charge) The problem is that the state is going to add charges until they get him on "something" at the last minute. Based on the info from the streams; jury sims basically put it at 30/30/30 for (won't change mind, guilty/no preference/won't change mind not guilty). What I fear is going to happen once they add all the additional charges is split verdict bargaining - "We'll vote not guilty on Murder 1 - but you have to vote guilty on Manslaughter" |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:18:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is the first and second slide, it looked slightly better on the 1080p stream but not by much https://asatisfyingwasteoftime.files.wordpress.com/2021/11/1090p2.png https://asatisfyingwasteoftime.files.wordpress.com/2021/11/1090p.png I can't see shit in the bottom one. In the top I think I see what the state is pointing out? But, and if I'm seeing what it might be it still doesn't make sense. Kyle is right handed. The visual of the what may be the magazine would be blocked by his left arm. His left arm should be in the foreground, not behind the rifle. Edit: I can't see anything definitive anyways. That is not reasonable. This is not representative of "beyond the shadow of a doubt". |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:19:33 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Rittenhouse is fucked, IMO. "Lesser included charges" Literally no chance he walks at this point. Trial has been politicized too far. Having 3 days to intimidate and harrass any potential jurors - as well as for ANTIFAGs to start burning and threatening to loot what's left of Kenosha. No, he's not It's not 2020 anymore, DNC doesn't want the heat and BLM stole all the money they got last year He's going to walk and nothing is going to happen |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:20:08 PM EDT
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I found a Rittenhouse NPC in the wild today. His first question was....Why did he have an M16?
My eyes are lost, still rolling around after they rolled out of my head. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:20:11 PM EDT
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Prosecution going for new lesser included charges and jury instructions for provocation.
That’s their entire case “Kyle was initial provocation and hence any self defense is nullified” Except that’s not true. Also nobody talked about crime scene chic recovered unfired .40 cal cartridge at scene. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:20:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now that I see the photo I am more angry the judge let it in. That does not show jack shit. I don't see a rifle pointed at anyone. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is the first and second slide, it looked slightly better on the 1080p stream but not by much https://asatisfyingwasteoftime.files.wordpress.com/2021/11/1090p2.png https://asatisfyingwasteoftime.files.wordpress.com/2021/11/1090p.png Now that I see the photo I am more angry the judge let it in. That does not show jack shit. I don't see a rifle pointed at anyone. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:20:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: more added pixels more interpolation? Yes. "interpolation"=guess. 
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:20:35 PM EDT
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Does that mean tomorrow closing arguments and jury decision just in time for weekend riots in Kenosha?
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:20:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't see shit in the bottom one. In the top I think I see what the state is pointing out? But, and if I'm seeing what it might be it still doesn't make sense. Kyle is right handed. The visual of the what may be the magazine would be blocked by his left arm. His left arm should be in the foreground, not behind the rifle. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is the first and second slide, it looked slightly better on the 1080p stream but not by much https://asatisfyingwasteoftime.files.wordpress.com/2021/11/1090p2.png https://asatisfyingwasteoftime.files.wordpress.com/2021/11/1090p.png I can't see shit in the bottom one. In the top I think I see what the state is pointing out? But, and if I'm seeing what it might be it still doesn't make sense. Kyle is right handed. The visual of the what may be the magazine would be blocked by his left arm. His left arm should be in the foreground, not behind the rifle. They didn't provide explanation, they showed the slides for seconds and then that was it. I suspect these are the hinge for closing but were destroyed on cross so they should have little impact. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:21:12 PM EDT
[#21]
What's stopping the judge from dismissing with prejudice?
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:21:27 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Adding lesser charges is an “Oh fuck we’re gonna lose, throw a Hail Mary.” Negative. It messes with jury instructions and confuses the jury. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:21:39 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It is why the one they showed was slowed down in most of the playback and why the video has not been allowed to be shown in entirety, in real time. Who thing went down in under 3 minutes from pedo chasing him to Kyle running away from the one armed bandit towards the cops. Prosecution wants to make it look like Kyle was just waltzing around shooting peaceful protestors for the lulz. The prosecution's problems is, he didn't do that, and this lame ass "pickle pic" does nothing to bolster their bullshit. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:21:40 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey, I think I know that ugly mug. Think that is the same troll that was harassing my family on social media. The payback that is about to come tumbling down on that worthless cunt is gonna be biblical. (and that is all I am gonna say about that) Yeah, we’re gonna need a thread on this. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:22:17 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What's stopping the judge from dismissing with prejudice? The defense has to file a motion for it, I believe. And they haven't done that. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:22:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I grew up trying to decipher boobies out of scrambled Skinamax movies and I can't make jack shit out of that photo. My 7 year old just ran in and asked why I busted up laughing. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:22:30 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What's stopping the judge from dismissing with prejudice? Nothing, it's on the table but not likely |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:22:39 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: State saying they need 3.5 hours for close and rebuttal. Judge says that's too long. Never been on a jury but I would bet that that amount of time turns them against you |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:23:16 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure have been a lot of conservative pundits on Twitter and elsewhere coming out with tacit support of Rittenhouse over the last two days, now that it's safe  I'm sure that faggot Hannity has applauded Rittenhouse now but told his audience how he would have judo chopped the manlet pedo in half |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:24:03 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Apparently. Now they get to add Murder 3, Manslaughter 1/3, etc. Wonder if the judge may give the defense the mistrial with prejudice since the state seems so intent on constantly gaming the trial? Bicep boy being locked in on his testimony wont help with a re trial. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:24:05 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "interpolation"=guess. Negative. It's a calculated average between points, via the adjacent pixels. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:24:18 PM EDT
[#32]
I'm terrible at eye games, so there's that, but I can't even tell it's a person in those photos, let alone where the gun is pointing.
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:24:38 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing, it's on the table but not likely Problem I'm hearing is things like, IF the Appeals Court (worst case) decides to go with the law, then they would do it on appeal because according to lawyers it is clear cut. Its either the law, or it's not. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:25:17 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: it is amazing a court would even entertain an "expert" who has answered "i dont know" about everything. I would have asked him at the end "how many times have you said I don't know in your expert testimony?" and when he said "I don't know", I would say after that one, it's now 87 times. Seems like a lot for an expert. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:25:25 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I grew up trying to decipher boobies out of scrambled Skinamax movies and I can't make jack shit out of that photo. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is this the actual photo being talked about? That supposedly shows Kyle pointing a rifle? I grew up trying to decipher boobies out of scrambled Skinamax movies and I can't make jack shit out of that photo. ^^^^ This is the true IMINT expert of the forum. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:25:27 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What? Did the judge say this? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I may just tell you to sit down mid sentence  What? Did the judge say this? @JamesP81 Yes he did. He then went on to explain to the state’s attorney that he (the judge) did that very thing to one of his (state’s attorney) colleague not too long ago in the middle of a particularly drawn out closing argument |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:25:30 PM EDT
[#37]
What's worse it that this is not the enlargement of a photograph.
This is an enlargement of video. The original video compresses information in both space and time when it writes it to the file. The original recording of the video isn't even what hit the image sensor. No, it is compressed in x, y and t. I just do not think think a 1920x880 image can be enlarged to show what the state is claiming to be shown. When "smart" enlargement algorithms don't know what they are looking at ... they make stuff up ... based upon ... biases. Sometimes they get it If it isn't reasonably apparent in the unenlarged version, the enlargement is an educated guess. A computerized educated guess, but based upon data that was already compressed to throw out data. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:25:36 PM EDT
[#38]
I bet they try to get hm for lying on the stand...probably several counts.
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:26:45 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Negative. It messes with jury instructions and confuses the jury. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Adding lesser charges is an “Oh fuck we’re gonna lose, throw a Hail Mary.” Negative. It messes with jury instructions and confuses the jury. Hmm interesting. Smarmy as hell, but interesting. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:26:57 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They have been talking about fucking pixels for two days now. The defense has nothing to go on, just running down the clock it seems. The jury forgets the dramatic stuff when they pull this shit. It is part of the game. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:27:41 PM EDT
[#41]
I can't watch anymore of the stuff
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:27:43 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Judge" I can't make anything out of the (prints)"  |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:28:52 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does that mean tomorrow closing arguments and jury decision just in time for weekend riots in Kenosha? Monday the jury will be back. I wouldn't count on there being any video to watch tomorrow. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:29:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:30:18 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Never been on a jury but I would bet that that amount of time turns them against you Especially fat man and the cocksucker. If you're that unlikeable you should probably limit your exposeure |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:31:21 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Negative. It's a calculated average between points, via the adjacent pixels. Except when it's not. Sometimes it's more than the adjacent pixels, sometimes it's not an average. See below. 
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:31:52 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Time for the judge to stop this stupid shit. The pics in question mainly have no real bearing on the self defense charge, and show nothing that wasn't admitted to. Binger was trying to discredit Rittenhouse's testimony about not pointing a gun at people other than the ones that he shot. IMO, it's irrelevant as Rittenhouse might have swung the gun towards the sound of gunfire. 
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:31:53 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hmm interesting. Smarmy as hell, but interesting. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Adding lesser charges is an “Oh fuck we’re gonna lose, throw a Hail Mary.” Negative. It messes with jury instructions and confuses the jury. Hmm interesting. Smarmy as hell, but interesting. Not lawyer not expert on such matters. Learned a ton about jury instructions during watching entire zman trial. It’s not as simple as one would think. It’s like a huge flow chart. If not this then that based on evidence blah blah Juries are people and most have their mind made by now. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:31:56 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The defense has to file a motion for it, I believe. And they haven't done that. They have. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 6:32:50 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Now that I see the photo I am more angry the judge let it in. That does not show jack shit. I don't see a rifle pointed at anyone. I took it as so inconsequential that it wasn't worth fighting over. |
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