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Posted: 4/17/2022 7:25:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do the laws of the state of Louisiana Sheriffs have to do with “reserve officers” in New Mexico? Norwood proposed forming a Lake Arthur posse of sorts, a group of volunteers called Reserve Officers who could help keep the village safe. Because reservists are not certified police officers, under New Mexico law they do not have law enforcement powers to act on their own and they cannot make arrests. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Harry Lee, the old Sheriff of Jefferson Parish Louisiana was a regular at a restaurant I ran in Metairie back in the late 90s. I was also hunting buddies with some guys on the Jefferson Parish SWAT team. There was a string of robberies going on in the area and one day one of the SWAT guys brought me a badge and card and told me I was now a Reserve Deputy and I should carry at all times. I think this was before you could get a statewide CWP, could be wrong. You're a fraud & an impersonator!  What do the laws of the state of Louisiana Sheriffs have to do with “reserve officers” in New Mexico? Norwood proposed forming a Lake Arthur posse of sorts, a group of volunteers called Reserve Officers who could help keep the village safe. Because reservists are not certified police officers, under New Mexico law they do not have law enforcement powers to act on their own and they cannot make arrests. So... to be clear, had a Louisiana Sheriff handed them all creds you'd be perfectly ok with the situation? |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 7:27:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So... to be clear, had a Louisiana Sheriff handed them all creds you'd be perfectly ok with the situation? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Harry Lee, the old Sheriff of Jefferson Parish Louisiana was a regular at a restaurant I ran in Metairie back in the late 90s. I was also hunting buddies with some guys on the Jefferson Parish SWAT team. There was a string of robberies going on in the area and one day one of the SWAT guys brought me a badge and card and told me I was now a Reserve Deputy and I should carry at all times. I think this was before you could get a statewide CWP, could be wrong. You're a fraud & an impersonator! What do the laws of the state of Louisiana Sheriffs have to do with “reserve officers” in New Mexico? Norwood proposed forming a Lake Arthur posse of sorts, a group of volunteers called Reserve Officers who could help keep the village safe. Because reservists are not certified police officers, under New Mexico law they do not have law enforcement powers to act on their own and they cannot make arrests. So... to be clear, had a Louisiana Sheriff handed them all creds you'd be perfectly ok with the situation? If done so consistent with Louisiana law for Sheriffs Deputies, yes. |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 7:40:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If done so consistent with Louisiana law for Sheriffs Deputies, yes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Harry Lee, the old Sheriff of Jefferson Parish Louisiana was a regular at a restaurant I ran in Metairie back in the late 90s. I was also hunting buddies with some guys on the Jefferson Parish SWAT team. There was a string of robberies going on in the area and one day one of the SWAT guys brought me a badge and card and told me I was now a Reserve Deputy and I should carry at all times. I think this was before you could get a statewide CWP, could be wrong. You're a fraud & an impersonator! What do the laws of the state of Louisiana Sheriffs have to do with “reserve officers” in New Mexico? Norwood proposed forming a Lake Arthur posse of sorts, a group of volunteers called Reserve Officers who could help keep the village safe. Because reservists are not certified police officers, under New Mexico law they do not have law enforcement powers to act on their own and they cannot make arrests. So... to be clear, had a Louisiana Sheriff handed them all creds you'd be perfectly ok with the situation? If done so consistent with Louisiana law for Sheriffs Deputies, yes. Referencing the experience of our esteemed colleague from ARF that posted on the last page saying that reserve credentials were dispensed to him by a customer of his, you're good with that? |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 7:45:06 PM EDT
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Wait till the reporter finds out what you have to do to be a firefighter in many places.
Sure, you can run lights and sirens on your wife’s equinox. |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 7:47:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Referencing the experience of our esteemed colleague from ARF that posted on the last page saying that reserve credentials were dispensed to him by a customer of his, you're good with that? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Harry Lee, the old Sheriff of Jefferson Parish Louisiana was a regular at a restaurant I ran in Metairie back in the late 90s. I was also hunting buddies with some guys on the Jefferson Parish SWAT team. There was a string of robberies going on in the area and one day one of the SWAT guys brought me a badge and card and told me I was now a Reserve Deputy and I should carry at all times. I think this was before you could get a statewide CWP, could be wrong. You're a fraud & an impersonator! What do the laws of the state of Louisiana Sheriffs have to do with “reserve officers” in New Mexico? Norwood proposed forming a Lake Arthur posse of sorts, a group of volunteers called Reserve Officers who could help keep the village safe. Because reservists are not certified police officers, under New Mexico law they do not have law enforcement powers to act on their own and they cannot make arrests. So... to be clear, had a Louisiana Sheriff handed them all creds you'd be perfectly ok with the situation? If done so consistent with Louisiana law for Sheriffs Deputies, yes. Referencing the experience of our esteemed colleague from ARF that posted on the last page saying that reserve credentials were dispensed to him by a customer of his, you're good with that? If that’s legal and part of the Sheriffs authority to pick his own Deputies, yes. The problem with Lake Arthur, is the entire scheme was in violation of state and federal law. |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 8:14:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If that’s legal and part of the Sheriffs authority to pick his own Deputies, yes. The problem with Lake Arthur, is the entire scheme was in violation of state and federal law. How was it in violation of Federal law? |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 8:15:35 PM EDT
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Just to be clear, the idiot in charge gave out enough badges to almost equal a third of the population of the city at the time. (410 residents) Most of them never set foot in the city limits or were even residents of the state. Even if they did, there is no motel for them to stay in.
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Posted: 4/17/2022 8:31:35 PM EDT
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To me, this is about the same small town corruption that produces speed traps as a significant amount of the town's revenue.
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Posted: 4/17/2022 8:40:25 PM EDT
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This is nothing new.
Elvis Presley and his band were made sheriff deputies so they could carry guns in Memphis. https://elvispresleymuseum.com/chief-deputy-badge Johnny Cash was a deputy in Nashville so he could carry a gun. https://www.tennessean.com/story/entertainment/music/2019/10/22/johnny-cash-history-museum-sheriff-card/3999926002/ The actress Cybill Shepherd also had the same thing in Memphis to carry a gun fairly recent. https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1995-03-30-9503290502-story.html Steven Seagal has been some sort of deputy in Metarie, Louisiana and not sure if he went through the full LEO post training. I would not be surprised if New Orleans deputizes famous people to carry a gun if Metarie does that for celebrities. |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 8:55:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is nothing new. Elvis Presley and his band were made sheriff deputies so they could carry guns in Memphis. https://elvispresleymuseum.com/chief-deputy-badge Johnny Cash was a deputy in Nashville so he could carry a gun. https://www.tennessean.com/story/entertainment/music/2019/10/22/johnny-cash-history-museum-sheriff-card/3999926002/ The actress Cybill Shepherd also had the same thing in Memphis to carry a gun fairly recent. https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1995-03-30-9503290502-story.html Steven Seagal has been some sort of deputy in Metarie, Louisiana and not sure if he went through the full LEO post training. I would not be surprised if New Orleans deputizes famous people to carry a gun if Metarie does that for celebrities. All to my original point, shenanigans like willy nilly issuing of "creds" is nothing new as has been demonstrated in this thread time and again, some want to argue the training aspect, others the legitimacy of the so called 'department' which is certainly in question. I'm seeing an itty bitty incorporated NM 'town' that felt they had the authority to form a reserve element to serve their (the towns) community at times. This evidently blew up into some nonsense. The absolute vitriol that a handful hear have for the individuals is bordering on historonics IMO. Other than the Pressberg shooting and the SEAL drug bust I don't see any other issues. The "task force" shooting doesn't move my needle, and neither does the "$400" I remember when HR218 was passed, many gunboards, including this one (I lurked) had at least one thread wondering how to "Start our own pooleece force to get carry creds and emmgees...." Yea... |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 9:04:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, they're just like any other department then? The Mayor himself calls them Reserve officers. The chief was a full time officer at another agency in the state, and apparently met the standard to be a police officer in the state. He approached the city about forming a police department made up of "reserve officers". He was also a reserve officer as the chief. None of the other "reserve officers" completed state approved training. The mayor calls them what bill of goods he was sold. No "reserve program" makes it's reserve officers pay 400 bucks a year in dues. That money went to a 501c IIRC that was controlled by a member who was also a criminal defense attorney and would not release any info or documents on what was done with the money. |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 9:06:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed they weren't legal by state standards, & the town failed at certifying their officers. That doesn't make an individual reservist a fraud or an impersonator if he was told he was a legit officer, given a badge, and met the reserve duties of the program as it was outlined to him. At least some of the reservists did patrols in the town. The town/police department was running an illegal scheme for cash - that in itself may be a fraud, that doesn't make all the reservists frauds or impersonators. You have to demonstrate the individual officer knew that state laws were being violated - I certainly pay no attention to how other states certify their peace officers and I can certainly see some town figuring out some deputization scheme to raise money & gain manpower. NM has always seemed a bit backwards to me, how did the individual officers know it wasn't legal? Interestingly, looks like none of the former "officers" took legal action against the "chief". Kind of smells like the gig was up. |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 9:17:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The chief was a full time officer at another agency in the state, and apparently met the standard to be a police officer in the state. He approached the city about forming a police department made up of "reserve officers". He was also a reserve officer as the chief. None of the other "reserve officers" completed state approved training. The mayor calls them what bill of goods he was sold. No "reserve program" makes it's reserve officers pay 400 bucks a year in dues. That money went to a 501c IIRC that was controlled by a member who was also a criminal defense attorney and would not release any info or documents on what was done with the money. He wouldn't release it to a reporter. With all this fraud and now "sex crime" allegations in this thread where are all the charges? |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 10:14:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He wouldn't release it to a reporter. With all this fraud and now "sex crime" allegations in this thread where are all the charges? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The chief was a full time officer at another agency in the state, and apparently met the standard to be a police officer in the state. He approached the city about forming a police department made up of "reserve officers". He was also a reserve officer as the chief. None of the other "reserve officers" completed state approved training. The mayor calls them what bill of goods he was sold. No "reserve program" makes it's reserve officers pay 400 bucks a year in dues. That money went to a 501c IIRC that was controlled by a member who was also a criminal defense attorney and would not release any info or documents on what was done with the money. He wouldn't release it to a reporter. With all this fraud and now "sex crime" allegations in this thread where are all the charges? Dan Bilzerian kept his badge when he was jailed in 2014 on a felony explosives charge. He pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor. Pressburg was convicted. Bradley Stegmeier was charged with sexually assaulting a teenager. Police seized his badge. He pleaded guilty to contributing to the delinquency of a minor, a misdemeanor. Grobeson left the department after he was arrested on charges of threatening his husband with a gun and pleaded no contest to making a criminal threat. There’s more |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 10:20:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dan Bilzerian kept his badge when he was jailed in 2014 on a felony explosives charge. He pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor. Pressburg was convicted. Bradley Stegmeier was charged with sexually assaulting a teenager. Police seized his badge. He pleaded guilty to contributing to the delinquency of a minor, a misdemeanor. Grobeson left the department after he was arrested on charges of threatening his husband with a gun and pleaded no contest to making a criminal threat. There’s more Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The chief was a full time officer at another agency in the state, and apparently met the standard to be a police officer in the state. He approached the city about forming a police department made up of "reserve officers". He was also a reserve officer as the chief. None of the other "reserve officers" completed state approved training. The mayor calls them what bill of goods he was sold. No "reserve program" makes it's reserve officers pay 400 bucks a year in dues. That money went to a 501c IIRC that was controlled by a member who was also a criminal defense attorney and would not release any info or documents on what was done with the money. He wouldn't release it to a reporter. With all this fraud and now "sex crime" allegations in this thread where are all the charges? Dan Bilzerian kept his badge when he was jailed in 2014 on a felony explosives charge. He pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor. Pressburg was convicted. Bradley Stegmeier was charged with sexually assaulting a teenager. Police seized his badge. He pleaded guilty to contributing to the delinquency of a minor, a misdemeanor. Grobeson left the department after he was arrested on charges of threatening his husband with a gun and pleaded no contest to making a criminal threat. There’s more You act like Pressburg killed someone, he accidentally shot his brother-in-law in the leg. He was convicted of a misdemeanor. |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 10:23:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dan Bilzerian kept his badge when he was jailed in 2014 on a felony explosives charge. He pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor. Pressburg was convicted. Bradley Stegmeier was charged with sexually assaulting a teenager. Police seized his badge. He pleaded guilty to contributing to the delinquency of a minor, a misdemeanor. Grobeson left the department after he was arrested on charges of threatening his husband with a gun and pleaded no contest to making a criminal threat. There’s more So no sex crime? |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 10:26:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So no sex crime? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Dan Bilzerian kept his badge when he was jailed in 2014 on a felony explosives charge. He pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor. Pressburg was convicted. Bradley Stegmeier was charged with sexually assaulting a teenager. Police seized his badge. He pleaded guilty to contributing to the delinquency of a minor, a misdemeanor. Grobeson left the department after he was arrested on charges of threatening his husband with a gun and pleaded no contest to making a criminal threat. There’s more So no sex crime? Huh? You quoted his name. https://amp.nwfdailynews.com/amp/27332577007 |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 11:01:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Dan Bilzerian kept his badge when he was jailed in 2014 on a felony explosives charge. He pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor. Pressburg was convicted. Bradley Stegmeier was charged with sexually assaulting a teenager. Police seized his badge. He pleaded guilty to contributing to the delinquency of a minor, a misdemeanor. Grobeson left the department after he was arrested on charges of threatening his husband with a gun and pleaded no contest to making a criminal threat. There’s more So no sex crime? Huh? You quoted his name. https://amp.nwfdailynews.com/amp/27332577007 You're the one that said he pled guilty to the contributing to the delinquency of a minor. So he wasn't convicted of a sex crime? |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 11:16:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're the one that said he pled guilty to the contributing to the delinquency of a minor. So he wasn't convicted of a sex crime? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Dan Bilzerian kept his badge when he was jailed in 2014 on a felony explosives charge. He pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor. Pressburg was convicted. Bradley Stegmeier was charged with sexually assaulting a teenager. Police seized his badge. He pleaded guilty to contributing to the delinquency of a minor, a misdemeanor. Grobeson left the department after he was arrested on charges of threatening his husband with a gun and pleaded no contest to making a criminal threat. There’s more So no sex crime? Huh? You quoted his name. https://amp.nwfdailynews.com/amp/27332577007 You're the one that said he pled guilty to the contributing to the delinquency of a minor. So he wasn't convicted of a sex crime? LOL, your hero fucked a kid. Twice. That he got a sweetheart plead deal doesn’t change what he did. You’ll defend anything with your hero worship. |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 11:21:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed they weren't legal by state standards, & the town failed at certifying their officers. That doesn't make an individual reservist a fraud or an impersonator if he was told he was a legit officer, given a badge, and met the reserve duties of the program as it was outlined to him. At least some of the reservists did patrols in the town. The town/police department was running an illegal scheme for cash - that in itself may be a fraud, that doesn't make all the reservists frauds or impersonators. You have to demonstrate the individual officer knew that state laws were being violated - I certainly pay no attention to how other states certify their peace officers and I can certainly see some town figuring out some deputization scheme to raise money & gain manpower. NM has always seemed a bit backwards to me, how did the individual officers know it wasn't legal? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's not fraud and impersonation on the reserve officer's part if they're actually pulling shifts in town as some of those officers did. It may be an utter failure of that Dept's training & certification program which would be a matter for the state dept certifying agency. Given two of my local Dept's have actually murdered people in their own homes, I don't see the Lake Arthur scheme as a particular threat to the public - I'm more worried about the certified Drug Warriors that might shoot me in my own house. They were not legal by NM POST standards. They were not legit. They were frauds and impersonators. Agreed they weren't legal by state standards, & the town failed at certifying their officers. That doesn't make an individual reservist a fraud or an impersonator if he was told he was a legit officer, given a badge, and met the reserve duties of the program as it was outlined to him. At least some of the reservists did patrols in the town. The town/police department was running an illegal scheme for cash - that in itself may be a fraud, that doesn't make all the reservists frauds or impersonators. You have to demonstrate the individual officer knew that state laws were being violated - I certainly pay no attention to how other states certify their peace officers and I can certainly see some town figuring out some deputization scheme to raise money & gain manpower. NM has always seemed a bit backwards to me, how did the individual officers know it wasn't legal?  they knowingly participated in a "pay to play" scam at some podunk town in rural NM and knew all along they were not legit officers in NM or any other state.These people are not stupid. They knew exactly what they were doing. That is why they were there. They were never "officers". |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 11:23:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The town/police department was running an illegal scheme for cash…. If you think that’s true (it’s not, how does one explain reserves that patrolled, helped the town out as volunteers, and never paid a dime to anyone? Everyone that volunteers for anything (church usher, search & rescue, kid’s troop leader, etc.) has their own personal reasons for doing it (networking, carry creds, goodness-of-heart, experiences, whatever). Not everyone pays to be a part of these experiences. |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 11:23:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Harry Lee, the old Sheriff of Jefferson Parish Louisiana was a regular at a restaurant I ran in Metairie back in the late 90s. I was also hunting buddies with some guys on the Jefferson Parish SWAT team. There was a string of robberies going on in the area and one day one of the SWAT guys brought me a badge and card and told me I was now a Reserve Deputy and I should carry at all times. I think this was before you could get a statewide CWP, could be wrong. When we moved back to AL in the mid 80's. The local sheriff gave my dad a badge and ID card. It did not make him legally an LEO in the state of AL. The sheriff giving you a badge for personal CCW, does not qualify you under LEOSA. |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 11:25:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In Louisiana do you get the goat leggings w/o having completed the prerequisite training hours? if so he's GTG In AL, you can get hired as an LEO and work up to six months before going to the academy. Still does not qualify for LEOSA carry. |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 11:26:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL, your hero fucked a kid. Twice. That he got a sweetheart plead deal doesn’t change what he did. You’ll defend anything with your hero worship. Not my hero. Your hero DA didn't think he could get the felony charge to stick? |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 11:29:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All to my original point, shenanigans like willy nilly issuing of "creds" is nothing new as has been demonstrated in this thread time and again, some want to argue the training aspect, others the legitimacy of the so called 'department' which is certainly in question. I'm seeing an itty bitty incorporated NM 'town' that felt they had the authority to form a reserve element to serve their (the towns) community at times. This evidently blew up into some nonsense. The absolute vitriol that a handful hear have for the individuals is bordering on historonics IMO. Other than the Pressberg shooting and the SEAL drug bust I don't see any other issues. The "task force" shooting doesn't move my needle, and neither does the "$400" I remember when HR218 was passed, many gunboards, including this one (I lurked) had at least one thread wondering how to "Start our own pooleece force to get carry creds and emmgees...." Yea... Being a reserve officer in a legit program does not automatically make a person qualified for LEOSA carry. These guys were not even legit reserve officers in NM. |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 11:34:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Being a reserve officer in a legit program does not automatically make a person qualified for LEOSA carry. These guys were not even legit reserve officers in NM. Did Lake Arthur fraudulently issue LEOSA credentials? How do you know, in Alabama, if someone presents an out of state badge, that they qualify for LEOSA or not? |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 11:36:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You act like Pressburg killed someone, he accidentally shot his brother-in-law in the leg. He was convicted of a misdemeanor. One of the many rumors coming out of that shitshow was that it was intentional. |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 11:36:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interestingly, looks like none of the former "officers" took legal action against the "chief". Kind of smells like the gig was up. I would like to know what percentage, if any went on to get accredited LEO status in their home states after this. They have had plenty of time to get their POST by now, if they were really interested in public service.  |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 11:40:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not my hero. Your hero DA didn't think he could get the felony charge to stick? Things like this are common. I've worked one this year already. Guy is guilty but is probably getting a plea deal so the victim does not have to testify. |
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Posted: 4/17/2022 11:46:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did Lake Arthur fraudulently issue LEOSA credentials? How do you know, in Alabama, if someone presents an out of state badge, that they qualify for LEOSA or not? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Being a reserve officer in a legit program does not automatically make a person qualified for LEOSA carry. These guys were not even legit reserve officers in NM. Did Lake Arthur fraudulently issue LEOSA credentials? How do you know, in Alabama, if someone presents an out of state badge, that they qualify for LEOSA or not? LEOSA credentials? That would be in the case of retired officer or officer that had 10 years of service, with the power of arrest, and is currently qualified to carry under LEOSA. That is different than an officer who is currently a certified LEO with current credentials. It also does not include common things you could ask a person who presents a badge and ID card to determine if they are a legit LEO or not. You don't even know which questions to ask or what to look for? Apparently not. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 12:02:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LEOSA credentials? That would be in the case of retired officer or officer that had 10 years of service, with the power of arrest, and is currently qualified to carry under LEOSA. That is different than an officer who is currently a certified LEO with current credentials. It also does not include common things you could ask a person who presents a badge and ID card to determine if they are a legit LEO or not. You don't even know which questions to ask or what to look for? Apparently not. I'm not a cop, nor do I play one on tv. If you pulled over one of these Lake Arthur "Reservists", how would you have known his badge wasn't legit by NM standards before the story broke? |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 12:02:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One of the many rumors coming out of that shitshow was that it was intentional. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You act like Pressburg killed someone, he accidentally shot his brother-in-law in the leg. He was convicted of a misdemeanor. One of the many rumors coming out of that shitshow was that it was intentional. Did his brother-in-law press charges? Nope…rumors are just that, rumors. Did Pressburg have some serious demons? Yes Did he get help, stay sober? Yes Pressburg is a open book, he tells it like it is, and will tell you anything you want to know about the shooting. He does nothing but try and help military, cops, and civilians should they ever need to use a firearm. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 12:12:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dan Bilzerian kept his badge when he was jailed in 2014 on a felony explosives charge. He pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor. Pressburg was convicted. Bradley Stegmeier was charged with sexually assaulting a teenager. Police seized his badge. He pleaded guilty to contributing to the delinquency of a minor, a misdemeanor. Grobeson left the department after he was arrested on charges of threatening his husband with a gun and pleaded no contest to making a criminal threat. There’s more Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The chief was a full time officer at another agency in the state, and apparently met the standard to be a police officer in the state. He approached the city about forming a police department made up of "reserve officers". He was also a reserve officer as the chief. None of the other "reserve officers" completed state approved training. The mayor calls them what bill of goods he was sold. No "reserve program" makes it's reserve officers pay 400 bucks a year in dues. That money went to a 501c IIRC that was controlled by a member who was also a criminal defense attorney and would not release any info or documents on what was done with the money. He wouldn't release it to a reporter. With all this fraud and now "sex crime" allegations in this thread where are all the charges? Dan Bilzerian kept his badge when he was jailed in 2014 on a felony explosives charge. He pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor. Pressburg was convicted. Bradley Stegmeier was charged with sexually assaulting a teenager. Police seized his badge. He pleaded guilty to contributing to the delinquency of a minor, a misdemeanor. Grobeson left the department after he was arrested on charges of threatening his husband with a gun and pleaded no contest to making a criminal threat. There’s more It's like they were real cops! 
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Posted: 4/18/2022 12:19:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not a cop, nor do I play one on tv. If you pulled over one of these Lake Arthur "Reservists", how would you have known his badge wasn't legit by NM standards before the story broke? May or may not be able to determine if they are a legit cop or not during a conversation. Being a "reservist" does not mean automatic LEOSA carry. What you can do is if they presented the illegitimate credentials during an encounter, charge them with impersonating an LEO later. Document and get a warrant. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 12:57:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: May or may not be able to determine if they are a legit cop or not during a conversation. Being a "reservist" does not mean automatic LEOSA carry. What you can do is if they presented the illegitimate credentials during an encounter, charge them with impersonating an LEO later. Document and get a warrant. Were any of this krewe charged w/ impersonating a LEO? |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:20:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When we moved back to AL in the mid 80's. The local sheriff gave my dad a badge and ID card. It did not make him legally an LEO in the state of AL. The sheriff giving you a badge for personal CCW, does not qualify you under LEOSA. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:43:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/18/2022 2:25:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We’re they able to buy NFA weapons on Dept Letterhead and keep them at home ??? There was a guy on gunsnet many years ago that got in trouble with the feds for that. Big chief or something. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 3:18:12 AM EDT
[#39]
And of course Blitzerian or however you spell his name and his famous “give me a gun I’m a cop” during the Las Vegas shootings.
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:00:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's like they were real cops! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The chief was a full time officer at another agency in the state, and apparently met the standard to be a police officer in the state. He approached the city about forming a police department made up of "reserve officers". He was also a reserve officer as the chief. None of the other "reserve officers" completed state approved training. The mayor calls them what bill of goods he was sold. No "reserve program" makes it's reserve officers pay 400 bucks a year in dues. That money went to a 501c IIRC that was controlled by a member who was also a criminal defense attorney and would not release any info or documents on what was done with the money. He wouldn't release it to a reporter. With all this fraud and now "sex crime" allegations in this thread where are all the charges? Dan Bilzerian kept his badge when he was jailed in 2014 on a felony explosives charge. He pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor. Pressburg was convicted. Bradley Stegmeier was charged with sexually assaulting a teenager. Police seized his badge. He pleaded guilty to contributing to the delinquency of a minor, a misdemeanor. Grobeson left the department after he was arrested on charges of threatening his husband with a gun and pleaded no contest to making a criminal threat. There’s more It's like they were real cops! Or the FBI. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:20:11 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's like they were real cops! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The chief was a full time officer at another agency in the state, and apparently met the standard to be a police officer in the state. He approached the city about forming a police department made up of "reserve officers". He was also a reserve officer as the chief. None of the other "reserve officers" completed state approved training. The mayor calls them what bill of goods he was sold. No "reserve program" makes it's reserve officers pay 400 bucks a year in dues. That money went to a 501c IIRC that was controlled by a member who was also a criminal defense attorney and would not release any info or documents on what was done with the money. He wouldn't release it to a reporter. With all this fraud and now "sex crime" allegations in this thread where are all the charges? Dan Bilzerian kept his badge when he was jailed in 2014 on a felony explosives charge. He pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor. Pressburg was convicted. Bradley Stegmeier was charged with sexually assaulting a teenager. Police seized his badge. He pleaded guilty to contributing to the delinquency of a minor, a misdemeanor. Grobeson left the department after he was arrested on charges of threatening his husband with a gun and pleaded no contest to making a criminal threat. There’s more It's like they were real cops! 
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:59:39 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When we moved back to AL in the mid 80's. The local sheriff gave my dad a badge and ID card. It did not make him legally an LEO in the state of AL. The sheriff giving you a badge for personal CCW, does not qualify you under LEOSA. We have guardians in our schools in our county. They are issued special deputy IDs by the sheriff who also provides them training and equipment. They carry weapons and can take action under a very narrow set of conditions. They are not considered deputies, hence the term guardians. For those in this thread that talk of special deputies, realize that means you are not a regular deputy and do not meet the standards of a regular deputy. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 8:02:50 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It all fell apart when a drunk who did not live in NM, yet was somehow a reserve cop there, negligently shot a family member in another state. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: They were posting badge pics in major gun rags. So, no. Seems that the spotlight on the program wasn't all that bright until the 'Robert Mercer bodyguards' story came to light. It all fell apart when a drunk who did not live in NM, yet was somehow a reserve cop there, negligently shot a family member in another state. In his defense, he hit what he was aiming at…. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 8:05:02 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did Lake Arthur fraudulently issue LEOSA credentials? How do you know, in Alabama, if someone presents an out of state badge, that they qualify for LEOSA or not? That is essentially what Norwood did. He issued credentials knowing that the only way for other agencies to check the status of said credentials was to ultimately verify the officers certification with the state authority that overseas the granting of certification. When Lake Arthur officers started having incidents outside their jurisdiction and some were arrested with creds, those checks started being made and the agencybwas exposed. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 8:35:44 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed they weren't legal by state standards, & the town failed at certifying their officers. That doesn't make an individual reservist a fraud or an impersonator if he was told he was a legit officer, given a badge, and met the reserve duties of the program as it was outlined to him. At least some of the reservists did patrols in the town. The town/police department was running an illegal scheme for cash - that in itself may be a fraud, that doesn't make all the reservists frauds or impersonators. You have to demonstrate the individual officer knew that state laws were being violated - I certainly pay no attention to how other states certify their peace officers and I can certainly see some town figuring out some deputization scheme to raise money & gain manpower. NM has always seemed a bit backwards to me, how did the individual officers know it wasn't legal? If they were real officers, they'd know. They were not. They were scammers paying to play for their own benefit without any side benefit of labor to the community. Each state might have it's own standard of training but those standards are similar. Training on laws, use of force, investigation, personal interactions, those sorts of things that real cops do. As Bama said, any one of those people could have applied as a reserve in their home state, gone through their state's police academy and gotten legitimate credentials, with the proper knowledge to use them. They didn't do that. They paid to be perceived as something they were not. I know how to brush my teeth, therefore I should be considered a dentist and call myself one whenever I see some advantage in doing so. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 10:14:17 AM EDT
[#46]
You guys wear the clothes very well.
This is like opposite land. I have a hard time y'all are here on this forum, of all places, apparently thinking you're actually defending / helping / making a point in the furtherance of freedom, state's authority over federal, and minimum federal gov. In this thread we have: pearl clutching sacred cattle gatekeeping Petite tyranny. hidebound-ism and whatever the word is when a bureaucrat rifles through the book finding any reason under to sun to inflict his will upon others. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 10:19:36 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it impersonating a police officer if an agency is willing to send you out on patrol as a working police officer? Walking into a Wendy's and flashing your CCW badge to get the discount - that's impersonating a police officer. Taking the offer of LEOSA creds and actually patrolling the town a few times a year, that's an agency taking a huge risk w/ undertrained cops. I don't think the thin blue line quite understand how much the rest of us envy your LEOSA privilege, and how much you are resented for it. I could become a reserve officer - 6 months of full time training @ my local community college, then a good bit of street work to get past my apprenticeship. I don't have that kind of time, and that much training shouldn't be needed for me to carry a handgun in California or NY, not to mention the continuing reserve commitment. I don't need to know how to respond to calls, kick in doors, or wrestle suspects to the ground & cuff them to understand the laws on lethal force in the state I happen to be in, and to actually shoot a mugger, rapist, burglar, carjacker, or murderer in the act. So good on our fellow ARFCOMers for finding temporary LEOSA creds, and I hope the free states can come up w/ some limited Reservist police category that satisfies the Federal LEOSA requirements that doesn't take 3-9 months of full-time training. Your resentment is misplaced. The reason you can’t carry in California has nothing to do with LEOSA. It is the California laws. LEOSA could disappear tomorrow and you still can’t carry in California. You could move to a California conservative county and apply like those that live there. Or, you could find someone that lives there, pay them $400 for a fake lease and then apply. It might work for a while, but it is still wrong and eventually you would get caught. Since those ideas probably won’t work and it’s not fair you can’t carry, you could resent the people who live in conservative California counties and advocate doing away with their ability. However, the Lake Arthur situation wasn’t about LEOSA. It was about fraud. I don’t know of any police officer that became a cop just so he could carry. Many were cops well before LEOSA became law. Cops, especially the ones in this thread, are for constitutional carry. They just have a problem with the fake cop bullshit. If it’s so easy to become a cop and the requirements are so low, then everyone should just go out and become a cop. But, as you have stated, it’s not really that easy. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 10:27:28 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your resentment is misplaced. The reason you can’t carry in California has nothing to do with LEOSA. It is the California laws. LEOSA could disappear tomorrow and you still can’t carry in California. You could move to a California conservative county and apply like those that live there. Or, you could find someone that lives there, pay them $400 for a fake lease and then apply. It might work for a while, but it is still wrong and eventually you would get caught. Since those ideas probably won’t work and it’s not fair you can’t carry, you could resent the people who live in conservative California counties and advocate doing away with their ability. However, the Lake Arthur situation wasn’t about LEOSA. It was about fraud. I don’t know of any police officer that became a cop just so he could carry. Many were cops well before LEOSA became law. Cops, especially the ones in this thread, are for constitutional carry. They just have a problem with the fake cop bullshit. If it’s so easy to become a cop and the requirements are so low, then everyone should just go out and become a cop. But, as you have stated, it’s not really that easy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is it impersonating a police officer if an agency is willing to send you out on patrol as a working police officer? Walking into a Wendy's and flashing your CCW badge to get the discount - that's impersonating a police officer. Taking the offer of LEOSA creds and actually patrolling the town a few times a year, that's an agency taking a huge risk w/ undertrained cops. I don't think the thin blue line quite understand how much the rest of us envy your LEOSA privilege, and how much you are resented for it. I could become a reserve officer - 6 months of full time training @ my local community college, then a good bit of street work to get past my apprenticeship. I don't have that kind of time, and that much training shouldn't be needed for me to carry a handgun in California or NY, not to mention the continuing reserve commitment. I don't need to know how to respond to calls, kick in doors, or wrestle suspects to the ground & cuff them to understand the laws on lethal force in the state I happen to be in, and to actually shoot a mugger, rapist, burglar, carjacker, or murderer in the act. So good on our fellow ARFCOMers for finding temporary LEOSA creds, and I hope the free states can come up w/ some limited Reservist police category that satisfies the Federal LEOSA requirements that doesn't take 3-9 months of full-time training. Your resentment is misplaced. The reason you can’t carry in California has nothing to do with LEOSA. It is the California laws. LEOSA could disappear tomorrow and you still can’t carry in California. You could move to a California conservative county and apply like those that live there. Or, you could find someone that lives there, pay them $400 for a fake lease and then apply. It might work for a while, but it is still wrong and eventually you would get caught. Since those ideas probably won’t work and it’s not fair you can’t carry, you could resent the people who live in conservative California counties and advocate doing away with their ability. However, the Lake Arthur situation wasn’t about LEOSA. It was about fraud. I don’t know of any police officer that became a cop just so he could carry. Many were cops well before LEOSA became law. Cops, especially the ones in this thread, are for constitutional carry. They just have a problem with the fake cop bullshit. If it’s so easy to become a cop and the requirements are so low, then everyone should just go out and become a cop. But, as you have stated, it’s not really that easy. Did the Lake Arthur scam predate LEOSA? Where these guys flashing LEO certs and trying to get some other benefit out of their status? I think people keep talking about LEOSA, is it's clear people were using their set-up with Lake Arthur to carry. Are there other perks of such a status that would come into play in another state, well outside of your jurisdiction? I mean, there have been plenty of fake cop stories over the years, but I don't exactly see the value of Lake Arthur reserve creds in pulling over young women in Colorado for their phone number. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 10:30:30 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your resentment is misplaced. The reason you can’t carry in California has nothing to do with LEOSA. It is the California laws. LEOSA could disappear tomorrow and you still can’t carry in California. You could move to a California conservative county and apply like those that live there. Or, you could find someone that lives there, pay them $400 for a fake lease and then apply. It might work for a while, but it is still wrong and eventually you would get caught. Since those ideas probably won’t work and it’s not fair you can’t carry, you could resent the people who live in conservative California counties and advocate doing away with their ability. However, the Lake Arthur situation wasn’t about LEOSA. It was about fraud. I don’t know of any police officer that became a cop just so he could carry. Many were cops well before LEOSA became law. Cops, especially the ones in this thread, are for constitutional carry. They just have a problem with the fake cop bullshit. If it’s so easy to become a cop and the requirements are so low, then everyone should just go out and become a cop. But, as you have stated, it’s not really that easy. You're conflating the two. "Being a cop" is something one does. Carrying creds for 50 state carry is paperwork one possesses. As previously stated it SHOULD be that easy to get whatever creds validate one for carry under LEOSA. You guys should be finding any reason under the sun and making it cake. But... nope. Protestations of being for "constitutional carry" carry little weight when condemnations of another department's attempt to backdoor it in abound. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 10:33:35 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did the Lake Arthur scam predate LEOSA? Where these guys flashing LEO certs and trying to get some other benefit out of their status? I think people keep talking about LEOSA, is it's clear people were using their set-up with Lake Arthur to carry. Are there other perks of such a status that would come into play in another state, well outside of your jurisdiction? I mean, there have been plenty of fake cop stories over the years, but I don't exactly see the value of Lake Arthur reserve creds in pulling over young women in Colorado for their phone number. Probably using their creds to get LE discounts on gear as well. |
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