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Posted: 7/4/2022 10:52:56 PM EDT
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To those that posted vids, thanks.
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Posted: 7/6/2022 12:53:56 AM EDT
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 Lake Mead Water Levels dropping due to drought, view from the air |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 1:06:55 AM EDT
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Have boat sales dropped dramatically?
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Posted: 7/6/2022 1:25:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have boat sales dropped dramatically? The boats have. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 1:28:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/108158/haboob-arizona-august-2020-1981724.png Laughs in haboob. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Don't live in the desert. Don't build golf courses in the desert. I for one have no fucks to give. How do you feel about people living in an area that is consistently ravaged by hurricanes? Phoenix, AZ is the only logical place to live. No earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, or catastrophic floods. Just constant drought. And occasional thunderstorms. Sometimes hail. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/108158/haboob-arizona-august-2020-1981724.png Laughs in haboob. Yes. Phoenix is a desolate hellhole. Populated with illegals, methheads, liberals from Tucson and retirees who voted for McCain. You don't want to live here. |
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Posted: 7/7/2022 12:30:44 AM EDT
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 Lake Mead is a GHOST Town! |
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Posted: 7/7/2022 3:22:11 PM EDT
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Exploring Below The Hoover Dam
 Exploring Lake Mead Drought Below The Hoover Dam!!! |
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Posted: 7/7/2022 5:39:01 PM EDT
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Quote History+1. Nice catch. |
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Posted: 7/12/2022 12:48:43 AM EDT
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 Lake Mead Marina Drone Footage of our water shortage #lakemead #watershortage #lasvegas #drought |
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Posted: 7/12/2022 1:00:35 AM EDT
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COC
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Posted: 7/12/2022 1:13:05 AM EDT
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According to the tire in this video, it looks like the lake has dropped an additional 6-8” in the past week alone
 2 Sunken Boats, a Creepy Barrel and 2 Engines at Lake Mead! |
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Posted: 7/12/2022 1:50:45 AM EDT
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I was talking to a friend that boats/fishes. He said most people are now going to the river (below the Hoover Dam there's a wide part of the Colorado river called Lake Mojave). He said the park service only lets a certain number of boats launch at Willow Beach and the parking lot is closed by 10am.
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Posted: 7/12/2022 12:49:06 PM EDT
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Exactly when will it be "dry"?
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Posted: 7/12/2022 1:02:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly when will it be "dry"? Doubt it will ever be “dry” . It just will never be a substantial recreational lake again . |
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Posted: 7/12/2022 2:54:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doubt it will ever be "dry" . It just will never be a substantial recreational lake again . Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Exactly when will it be "dry"? Doubt it will ever be "dry" . It just will never be a substantial recreational lake again . I suspect it'll be a recreational lake again. When the drought ends. |
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Posted: 7/12/2022 3:16:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was talking to a friend that boats/fishes. He said most people are now going to the river (below the Hoover Dam there's a wide part of the Colorado river called Lake Mojave). He said the park service only lets a certain number of boats launch at Willow Beach and the parking lot is closed by 10am. we took a canoe out down there a few weeks back, nice but it's too damn cold to actually swim in and it's getting too hot to be out there without being in the water. been a while since i fished down there but they have a hatchery. It's closed to power boats on sundays |
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Posted: 7/14/2022 1:07:48 AM EDT
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 Lake Mead Drought Exposes WWII Boat! |
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Posted: 7/14/2022 11:39:33 PM EDT
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Lake Mead update
 Lake Mead update & When people should plan to Leave |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 12:28:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly when will it be "dry"? If the current rate of drop continues they hit the 865 ft above sea level mark in ... IIRC a few years or so? That's where the lowest water intake is. |
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Posted: 7/17/2022 4:24:43 AM EDT
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BOR projections
Last month, Lake Mead was projected to be sitting at 1,040.63 feet by January 2023. This month’s projection for January ticked up to 1,041.10 feet. However, the lake is expected to drop roughly 21 feet by this time next year. By the end of July, the lake’s elevation is projected to decline to 1,040.70 feet, compared to 1,019.18 feet in July 2023. The bureau’s projections showed the lake’s levels could fluctuate slightly, rising and falling a few feet before possibly dropping to 1,013.03 feet in June 2024. |
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Posted: 7/17/2022 8:00:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I suspect it'll be a recreational lake again. When the drought ends. Is there a possibility this is not a drought but the way it's going to be? With cyclical climate change, is there the possibility we're seeing the desertification of North America, the same way the Middle East went from fetid swamp to arid desert? Are there any actual scientists who weren't Al Gore trained doing research? |
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Posted: 7/17/2022 8:05:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryLOL "hopium"! That goes in the queue with "unobtanium" and "vaporware". Guy looks like a NASCAR car with the product placement. |
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Posted: 7/17/2022 9:35:45 AM EDT
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From desert to oasis and back. shrug
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Posted: 7/17/2022 9:45:52 AM EDT
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More taxes and carbon credits will surely fix this problem.
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Posted: 7/17/2022 11:03:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there a possibility this is not a drought but the way it's going to be? With cyclical climate change, is there the possibility we're seeing the desertification of North America, the same way the Middle East went from fetid swamp to arid desert? Are there any actual scientists who weren't Al Gore trained doing research? Without blaming climate change, just looking at the patterns, water planners are moving away from the term "drought" and instead citing "aridification" as there's the possibility that we're shifting into a dryer period that will likely last longer than a simple drought. We're already more than 20 years into generally well below normal precipitation on the Colorado watershed and 30 years is the number used for a running average to define a climate. With the possibility of "mega drought" that could last a century, in human terms, that's a change in climate. SNWA does it's annual planning with 50 year projections of supply and demand and makes adjustments when it looks like there's going to be a deficit. |
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Posted: 7/17/2022 12:45:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIs that dude wearing sponsorships on his shirt? What does he think, he's a NASCAR driver or UFC fighter? 
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Posted: 7/17/2022 1:36:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that dude wearing sponsorships on his shirt? What does he think, he's a NASCAR driver or UFC fighter?  |
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Posted: 7/17/2022 3:55:57 PM EDT
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Some are thinking Vegas is going to run out of water. Not likely. The Hoover Dam goes dead pool at 895' and can't release any water down stream and the "third straw" which is the lowest water intake for Las Vegas is at 865'. Vegas uses other water sources in addition to the lake and all storm drains and treated sewer water goes back into the lake. Las Vegas' net water draw for the lake is only a couple of feet per year. Unless the dam at lake Powel in UT was to become dead pool, the water coming through the Grand Canyon with be enough to keep lake mead at or above dead pool. Hoover Dam becomes an on/off switch at that point in regards to discharging water down stream. On in spring/summer, off in fall/winter.
AZ and NV needs to build a couple of nuclear power plants for themselves and tell CA that nuclear power doesn't meet their clean energy standards when they ask to buy power. AKA, pound sand. |
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Posted: 7/17/2022 3:57:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. Phoenix is a desolate hellhole. Populated with illegals, methheads, liberals from Tucson and retirees who voted for McCain. You don't want to live here. Pretty sure you reversed that to some degree ;) |
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Posted: 7/17/2022 4:05:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there a possibility this is not a drought but the way it's going to be? With cyclical climate change, is there the possibility we're seeing the desertification of North America, the same way the Middle East went from fetid swamp to arid desert? Are there any actual scientists who weren't Al Gore trained doing research? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I suspect it'll be a recreational lake again. When the drought ends. Is there a possibility this is not a drought but the way it's going to be? With cyclical climate change, is there the possibility we're seeing the desertification of North America, the same way the Middle East went from fetid swamp to arid desert? Are there any actual scientists who weren't Al Gore trained doing research? The big threat is that as tropic zone expands the desert zones is expected to move north so northern xali and the central us is expected to become far more dry which is going to crush agriculture areas that do not have major river systems to draw water from . The upside though is much of canada and the northern is will become a much better climate for farming and higher CO2 levels in the atmosphere will increase crop yields significantly. What that means for southwest agriculture is unclear. In az we capture most of the water that falls into the Tonto basin so we should have adequate water from increased rainful for urban use but if desert zones heading north cuts off more rainfall or snow pack that currently supplies the Colorado river southwest agriculture may end up in a worse position unless southwest rainfall is increased enough. California probably fucked regardless because they won't capture any of the increased rainfall. |
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Posted: 7/17/2022 9:10:36 PM EDT
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 Lake Mead Marina Drone Footage of Govt Wash Echo Bay Callville Bay #lakemead #watershortage #drought |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 5:47:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Part of the solution is more reservoirs in nor cal and central California to capture more winter runoff then use that to irrigate. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 6:09:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not some greenie weenie. What will the continuous addition of brine to the Pacific ocean do to the salinity levels of it? Yes, I realize the Pacific is HUGE. Still maybe worth note or study I'd think. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 6:11:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: CA Agriculture uses most of the water which sucks because the result will be food/produce shortages. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 7:24:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or the rest of the country can stop demanding that we have every kind of fruit available year round and California can stop irrigating. Every fruit and vegetable has a season. The ones you see in the off season come from out of the country. |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 1:57:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are just putting the salt you pulled out back in. There may be some localized issues at the immediate site of injection but it would be blended in short order. Countries around the world have desal plants with no issues. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not some greenie weenie. What will the continuous addition of brine to the Pacific ocean do to the salinity levels of it? Yes, I realize the Pacific is HUGE. Still maybe worth note or study I'd think. Couldn’t they just run discharge pipelines a few miles offshore and dump the brine off the continental shelf? |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 2:07:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Couldn’t they just run discharge pipelines a few miles offshore and dump the brine off the continental shelf? i say pump it to dry lake beds and then sell the salt to the hippies |
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Posted: 7/18/2022 6:19:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i say pump it to dry lake beds and then sell the salt to the hippies Refill the Salton Sea. 
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Posted: 7/19/2022 9:43:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some are thinking Vegas is going to run out of water. Not likely. The Hoover Dam goes dead pool at 895' and can't release any water down stream and the "third straw" which is the lowest water intake for Las Vegas is at 865'. Vegas uses other water sources in addition to the lake and all storm drains and treated sewer water goes back into the lake. Las Vegas' net water draw for the lake is only a couple of feet per year. Unless the dam at lake Powel in UT was to become dead pool, the water coming through the Grand Canyon with be enough to keep lake mead at or above dead pool. Hoover Dam becomes an on/off switch at that point in regards to discharging water down stream. On in spring/summer, off in fall/winter. AZ and NV needs to build a couple of nuclear power plants for themselves and tell CA that nuclear power doesn't meet their clean energy standards when they ask to buy power. AKA, pound sand. Lake Mead dead pool is 3 million acre feet of water, that's 10 years of Nevada's allocation. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 12:50:49 PM EDT
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I get that the straws have heights where they can draw water for generation of power and whatnot...
Does the Damn have a way to drain at the base or similar, to actually keep the river flowing without generating power? How low can it get and still drain water into the river? |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 1:11:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I get that the straws have heights where they can draw water for generation of power and whatnot... Does the Damn have a way to drain at the base or similar, to actually keep the river flowing without generating power? How low can it get and still drain water into the river? When the dam was built they had to create diversion tunnels to create a dry space to build the dam. Link to picture of tunnels. They appear to be at the lowest point. According to Wiki, they are plugged. Guessing the plugs could be removed to allow water to go from the lake > downstream. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 1:36:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:I didn't state they weren't causing problems. Just stated that you guys would be complaining either way. Reacting to chicken little rantings is not "complaining". People are stating factual accounts that water usage in CA from Mead are too high. That is a fact, correct? Why they use too much is, as you claim, because "it's cheap". You're saying the same damn thing. No complaint, just a fact. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 3:59:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And like others have stated, desalination is a option but it's expensive and then you have the discharge brine stream, what if California added a huge amount of desalination plants (not that the tree huggers would allow that) what effect would a large number of brine discharges along the California coast do to the marine life? You could literally pick a spot in the Nevada desert to create a new Dead Sea, and pump all the brine discharge to a bowl the size of your choosing. Desert would cook off the rest of the water content, and the salt would crystallize in place. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 8:03:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When the dam was built they had to create diversion tunnels to create a dry space to build the dam. Link to picture of tunnels. They appear to be at the lowest point. According to Wiki, they are plugged. Guessing the plugs could be removed to allow water to go from the lake > downstream. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I get that the straws have heights where they can draw water for generation of power and whatnot... Does the Damn have a way to drain at the base or similar, to actually keep the river flowing without generating power? How low can it get and still drain water into the river? When the dam was built they had to create diversion tunnels to create a dry space to build the dam. Link to picture of tunnels. They appear to be at the lowest point. According to Wiki, they are plugged. Guessing the plugs could be removed to allow water to go from the lake > downstream. Interesting. Wonder what they plugged them with. Bet concrete. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 8:19:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting. Wonder what they plugged them with. Bet concrete. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I get that the straws have heights where they can draw water for generation of power and whatnot... Does the Damn have a way to drain at the base or similar, to actually keep the river flowing without generating power? How low can it get and still drain water into the river? When the dam was built they had to create diversion tunnels to create a dry space to build the dam. Link to picture of tunnels. They appear to be at the lowest point. According to Wiki, they are plugged. Guessing the plugs could be removed to allow water to go from the lake > downstream. Interesting. Wonder what they plugged them with. Bet concrete. Oh yes lots of concrete. They never ever expected to need them again. Guessing if they get to the point of removing the plugs it’s the end of the world type shit. |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 8:48:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh yes lots of concrete. They never ever expected to need them again. Guessing if they get to the point of removing the plugs it’s the end of the world type shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I get that the straws have heights where they can draw water for generation of power and whatnot... Does the Damn have a way to drain at the base or similar, to actually keep the river flowing without generating power? How low can it get and still drain water into the river? When the dam was built they had to create diversion tunnels to create a dry space to build the dam. Link to picture of tunnels. They appear to be at the lowest point. According to Wiki, they are plugged. Guessing the plugs could be removed to allow water to go from the lake > downstream. Interesting. Wonder what they plugged them with. Bet concrete. Oh yes lots of concrete. They never ever expected to need them again. Guessing if they get to the point of removing the plugs it’s the end of the world type shit. What happens when the water no longer runs past the damn? |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 9:06:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What happens when the water no longer runs past the damn? The term is a dead pool. When the dam level gets so low water no longer has the ability to flow past after it reaches the low point. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 7:15:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What happens when the water no longer runs past the damn? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I get that the straws have heights where they can draw water for generation of power and whatnot... Does the Damn have a way to drain at the base or similar, to actually keep the river flowing without generating power? How low can it get and still drain water into the river? When the dam was built they had to create diversion tunnels to create a dry space to build the dam. Link to picture of tunnels. They appear to be at the lowest point. According to Wiki, they are plugged. Guessing the plugs could be removed to allow water to go from the lake > downstream. Interesting. Wonder what they plugged them with. Bet concrete. Oh yes lots of concrete. They never ever expected to need them again. Guessing if they get to the point of removing the plugs it’s the end of the world type shit. What happens when the water no longer runs past the damn? That is a good question, if the water cannot get past the dam, will the river below dry up? Guessing if they do not make a path open below the lowest drain, it will not get any more water. I don't think they ever expected the water level to get this low when they designed/built the dam. I have been to the dam several times over the years. Took the full tour once. I think the only way water gets from the dam side to the river side is thru the power plant or the emergency spill ways. My first trip was 1995 and I recall it had a lot of water. Last trip was a few years ago, it looked like it does now. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 2:36:26 PM EDT
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That was my thinking as well....WTF happens when no more water goes to the river.
I can answer it from experience...river stops...then becomes a series of small, shallow lakes shaped like a river but broken in high spots. O2 depletes, it turns green, and everything fish related dies. If anyone relies on that river for water...they are in trouble. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 7:57:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That was my thinking as well....WTF happens when no more water goes to the river. I can answer it from experience...river stops...then becomes a series of small, shallow lakes shaped like a river but broken in high spots. O2 depletes, it turns green, and everything fish related dies. If anyone relies on that river for water...they are in trouble. Laughlin Bullhead Fort Mohave Willow Valley Lake Havasu Parker Blythe Yuma Mexicali and a dozen other agricultural towns that feed the country.  |
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