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Posted: 6/17/2022 2:17:58 PM EDT
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4 hour wait to drop your boat and another 4 to pick it back up? Fuck that... Move to a wet state
  Lake Mead Drought Update!!! What's Going On?!!! |
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Posted: 6/17/2022 2:33:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/17/2022 3:29:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yellowstone had a flood. Is the drought over?  Gardner and Yellowstone rivers dump out into the Missouri, then the Mississippi. Wrong side of the Continental Divide 
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Posted: 6/17/2022 8:05:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 4 hour wait to drop your boat and another 4 to pick it back up? Fuck that... Move to a wet state  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCBG_aVkv4sI did. Hello Arkansas. |
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Posted: 6/17/2022 8:07:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gardner and Yellowstone rivers dump out into the Missouri, then the Mississippi. Wrong side of the Continental Divide Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yellowstone had a flood. Is the drought over? Gardner and Yellowstone rivers dump out into the Missouri, then the Mississippi. Wrong side of the Continental Divide Damn, geography......
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Posted: 6/17/2022 9:50:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/18/2022 2:04:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I dont want to come off as a water elitists, Believe me I am fully against wasting water, importation of more assholes moving into my state and using more of the limited resources. I fully know they are continuing to build more homes and towns to fuel the growth that lets them come here. I am against that. I also don't have issue with Nevada and Vegas using electricity from Hydroelectric dams, its cheap and good energy and It is theirs to use as it should be. What is insane and I think we agree on this is California and their hypocritical BS. They are a costal state, they have the Sierra mountains as well as the water it provides and meanwhile they continue to waste money on the importation of illegals, the social free money and socialist BS, yet they buy Arizona nuclear based electric power and play the environmental fuck fuck games. But for them to bitch and moan about Arizona using water from our own water basin is BS, my whole state is a hydrological water basin for the Colorado River, while their state is almost naturally 0, yet they take the most water resources of any of the states in the upper and lower basins. Fuck them. Sorry to rant Cav Scout, All that said please just don't blame Arizona for diminishing levels of the water in the reservoirs in the north. We are just trying to manage the production of Glenn Canyon hydorelectric dam at acceptable levels for Utah and Northern Arizona at affordable levels for those people who have been relying on it since the 1980s and that is honestly mostly the Navajo nation's not the incoming jerks from out of state who feel intitled to green grass lawns and pools in our desert. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/407062/How_the_colorado_river_is_divided_border-2415753.png https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/407062/CRBSmap-2415733.jpg Run for office dude. Everything you said was spot on! |
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Posted: 6/18/2022 2:06:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Deporting 50 million illegals would help a bit. This, no issue we face is made better by adding useless people. It’s time for life boat ethics. |
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Posted: 6/18/2022 2:11:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A serious society would have a number of massive nuclear powered desalination plants running on the coast of California. As well as a number of pipeline and reservoir projects all over the west. Unfortunately, we don't seem to be a serious society anymore. This, we need bold action and we are sadly lead by fools elected by idiots. Watch every moron blame climate change for what is a normal cycle of drought. |
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Posted: 6/18/2022 2:12:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sending 40 million illegals home would be a good start. There would be extra housing, food, water, and gasoline for the legal citizens. kwg Not seeing a down side. |
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Posted: 6/19/2022 4:53:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mountain runoff caught by dams in higher elevations. Then regulated downstream. Then a tunnel connecting the dam water diverting it through a mountain to the other side. Utah upper Rock creek or upper Stillwater. Not sure what they called the finished dam. I was on the tunnel job and a portion of the dam. Utah today has reservoirs due to the water projects of the 80s. They've provided recreation and a reserve holding with ability to send water 8 miles thru the mountain. @smashedminer But we can’t do that, because muh rare fungus, muh feels, muh excuse to do nothing. Morons should be neither seen nor heard, if we were a real Country we could do such things with ease, speed, and with min red tape. No reason we can turn mountain run off into lakes, make life, prosperity, and surplus we’re their was only desolation, deprivation, and depletion., those who have a death wish oh not be allowed the means to drag us down with them. |
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Posted: 6/19/2022 4:54:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mountain runoff caught by dams in higher elevations. Then regulated downstream. Then a tunnel connecting the dam water diverting it through a mountain to the other side. Utah upper Rock creek or upper Stillwater. Not sure what they called the finished dam. I was on the tunnel job and a portion of the dam. Utah today has reservoirs due to the water projects of the 80s. They've provided recreation and a reserve holding with ability to send water 8 miles thru the mountain. @smashedminer Care to share more about that job? |
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Posted: 6/19/2022 5:03:26 AM EDT
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Guess Vegas is going to go tits up and die out. No water, no living there.
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Posted: 6/19/2022 5:14:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guess Vegas is going to go tits up and die out. No water, no living there. Upside shitlibs will flee, and we will be stronger for it. More over as other posters here have stated, CA has caused/exacerbated the problem by refusing to stop doing insane bullshit, like opening dam floodgates, allowing fresh water to flow out to sea to protect a small pointless fish, refusing to allow any nuclear plants to be used to generate power or for desalination of fresh water as the taps run dry and the lights starts go out, never mind allowing in and openly inviting in millions of invaders for the sole reason of cementing one party rule. CA is the family member who just won’t stop fucking shit up for themselves and the fallout of their bullshit always harms others..Enough. If that means we cut off the water and tell them drink piss, so be it. They wanna believe their insanity? Great! They can suffer the consequences of it all by themselves. |
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Posted: 6/19/2022 5:25:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guess Vegas is going to go tits up and die out. No water, no living there. There's a saying in the industry, water flows uphill toward money. Vegas won't be out of water for a long time. |
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Posted: 6/19/2022 5:48:44 AM EDT
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amazing. If the dumbass liberals in California would just use that big body of water to the left for water......not only would they be great but they could probably sell it to other states.
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Posted: 6/19/2022 6:06:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, All the desert cities in California, Nevada etc. aren't causing the problems then? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So it's not a good idea to build cities in the desert?  This trope is old. You guys complaining about cities in the desert would be complaining if those same people moved into your area. Water is too cheap is part of the issue. $1 gets me 182 gallons of culinary in N. Utah. On Lake Mead, we're too far behind the curve outside of a Federal emergency that levies a massive pipeline project from the Mississippi. Even then, we're (the west) still fucked in the near-term. So, All the desert cities in California, Nevada etc. aren't causing the problems then? About 70-75% of what California diverts goes to imperial county which has a population of less than 200,000 for the entire county. Imperial county and the Yuma AZ area produce something like 90% of the country’s winter vegetable supply. By using Colorado river water to irrigate. The rest of the country needs to stop buying fresh vegetables during the winter. No demand, no cost effective farming, and water usage plummets. They also produce a lot of alfalfa hay that’s used for beefs and dairy. |
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Posted: 6/19/2022 6:46:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a good question, but I can't find that information readily available without digging into a ton of different data sources. Seems like as of 2017, California was using 1.6 trillion gallons from the Colorado River, which was about 15% more than they were allotted, but they were using other states' "surplus." It's hard to find exact breakdowns, but 80% of water used in California is used by agriculture. Imperial County is said to produce 2/3 of all vegetables consumed by Americans during winter and that whole area farms tons of other stuff that is exported. That area gets about 3" of rain annually, so they have to be using enormous amounts of water, all of which come from the Colorado River. Golf courses and parks are wastes of water, but I don't think urban areas are a huge issue, as much of that water can be reclaimed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How many gallons per day does Los Angeles or San Diego consume per day compared to Agriculture? Serious question as I haven't seen a comparison that I recall. It's a good question, but I can't find that information readily available without digging into a ton of different data sources. Seems like as of 2017, California was using 1.6 trillion gallons from the Colorado River, which was about 15% more than they were allotted, but they were using other states' "surplus." It's hard to find exact breakdowns, but 80% of water used in California is used by agriculture. Imperial County is said to produce 2/3 of all vegetables consumed by Americans during winter and that whole area farms tons of other stuff that is exported. That area gets about 3" of rain annually, so they have to be using enormous amounts of water, all of which come from the Colorado River. Golf courses and parks are wastes of water, but I don't think urban areas are a huge issue, as much of that water can be reclaimed. Your numbers for California’s Colorado river usage are incorrect. https://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/wtracct.html California’s Colorado river allocation is 4.4 million acre feet per year. Consumptive use by year going back 10 years. 2021 4.404 MAF .09% over 2020 4.059 MAF under 2019 3.84 MAF under 2018 4.265 MAF under 2017 4.026 MAF under 2016 4.381 MAF under 2015 4.62 MAF 5% over 2014 4.649 MAF 5.6% over 2013 4.475 MAF 1.7 % over 2012 4.416 MAF .36% over |
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Posted: 6/19/2022 7:16:43 AM EDT
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Quote History@Bounce19712 That the Pipeline fire lit by a toilet paper burning dipshit? I don’t think Lake Mead caused it. |
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Posted: 6/19/2022 7:21:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct. The majority of the water taken from the Colorado is used for agriculture. About 70-75% of what California diverts goes to imperial county which has a population of less than 200,000 for the entire county. Imperial county and the Yuma AZ area produce something like 90% of the country’s winter vegetable supply. By using Colorado river water to irrigate. The rest of the country needs to stop buying fresh vegetables during the winter. No demand, no cost effective farming, and water usage plummets. They also produce a lot of alfalfa hay that’s used for beefs and dairy. @hdls For China. They now export much if the crop to China… |
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Posted: 6/19/2022 9:14:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @hdls For China. They now export much if the crop to China… Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Correct. The majority of the water taken from the Colorado is used for agriculture. About 70-75% of what California diverts goes to imperial county which has a population of less than 200,000 for the entire county. Imperial county and the Yuma AZ area produce something like 90% of the country’s winter vegetable supply. By using Colorado river water to irrigate. The rest of the country needs to stop buying fresh vegetables during the winter. No demand, no cost effective farming, and water usage plummets. They also produce a lot of alfalfa hay that’s used for beefs and dairy. @hdls For China. They now export much if the crop to China… That’s not true. Approx 30% of the Imperial county alfalfa crop is exported. Not all of it to China. It’s exported to China, Japan, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, United Arab Emirates (the 5 leading countries), and others. California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, Washington, Idaho, and Oregon are the leading alfalfa export states. |
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Posted: 6/19/2022 9:41:06 AM EDT
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Looks like the water level is at 1044 feet. 149 ft to dead pool.
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Posted: 6/19/2022 10:53:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like the water level is at 1044 feet. 149 ft to dead pool. Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like the water level is at 1044 feet. 149 ft to dead pool. "We are 150 feet from 25 million Americans losing access to the Colorado River, and the rate of decline is accelerating" John Enstminger General Manager, Southern Nevada Water Authority |
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Posted: 6/19/2022 11:57:53 AM EDT
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If consumption is constant, of course the drop in water level is going to accelerate. In simplest terms, the thing is an extruded triangle.
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Posted: 6/19/2022 12:09:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Humans and food product is more fungible than one might think. It's an indicator of the rapid rate of demand growth, and while obviously an exagreation on the time scale, the reality is the population of the planet has doubled in my lifetime. And in the USA, close to that. That's a huge uptick in food supply demand as well. All of which adds up to drain water resources from areas that have limited water resources. Humans = food consumption = water consumption. And CA grown food travels far and wide. Oh no people might have to live without almond milk and winter strawberries. |
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Posted: 6/19/2022 7:00:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: amazing. If the dumbass liberals in California would just use that big body of water to the left for water......not only would they be great but they could probably sell it to other states. Communists are not able to understand anything, especially economics or reality. |
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Posted: 6/19/2022 7:06:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Bounce19712 That the Pipeline fire lit by a toilet paper burning dipshit? I don’t think Lake Mead caused it. What a fool if he kept his mouth shut he would have gotten away with it. |
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Posted: 6/20/2022 7:17:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @smashedminer Care to share more about that job? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Mountain runoff caught by dams in higher elevations. Then regulated downstream. Then a tunnel connecting the dam water diverting it through a mountain to the other side. Utah upper Rock creek or upper Stillwater. Not sure what they called the finished dam. I was on the tunnel job and a portion of the dam. Utah today has reservoirs due to the water projects of the 80s. They've provided recreation and a reserve holding with ability to send water 8 miles thru the mountain. @smashedminer Care to share more about that job? 13'.6" TBM. Tunnel through thru the mountain. Tbm on each side . 3 miles in from Hanna side. 5 miles from Rock creek side. Wasn't a straight tunnel there were slight turns moving away from bad ground. Nevertheless the two tunnels met up. Wasn't perfect , it missed that by 1/4". Somedays we could get close to 300' in 24 hrs in the shale. Every 4' , the stroke on the propel cylinders pushing the 13.6 head we would install 3 pieces of ring steel that formed the circle. Tie rods adjoining them. And 4×8×48" pine boards filled in the web between the rings. For strength and cover from loose rock between the rings. To haul out the rock were 3 trains hauling about 8 box cars. One under the conveyor belt at the tail of the machine at most time. As it went out loaded it would come to a California rail switch, we moved it ahead with us. It would pass an empty train and continue out. That empty train would back in under the belt. The loaded train would get to another switch and pass another empty train and continue outside. Where a large crane would pick up each box car and to dump. Everything moving as quickly as possible. Each train carrying supplies on a flat car at the rear. Every 30 ft two sticks of 90lb rail fishplates and steel bridles. |
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Posted: 6/20/2022 7:35:54 AM EDT
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Solution:
Nuclear power and desalination plants pumping water into the West. Instead of brine being flushed back into the ocean, have a portion of it dry in large fields to extract minerals. The drying of brine will cause humidity to rise in the desert for arid plants to capture. Also potential to create rain as it rises and moves East. Terraform and adapt. |
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Posted: 6/20/2022 7:50:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Restock it with Desalinated water? It's really really stupid that a hugely populated area that is also pretty dry, doesn't have more desalination plants. CA has continually rejected desalinization plants. There was a great article (can't find it at the moment) that discussed CA's overall energy/water needs and what direction made the most sense. Very detailed included analysis of energy usage to what sector, etc. More or less, they aren't doing the right things for a multitude of stupid reasons. |
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Posted: 6/20/2022 9:26:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Bounce19712 That the Pipeline fire lit by a toilet paper burning dipshit? I don’t think Lake Mead caused it. yes. Mead is a casualty. Second order effect. The toilet paper was a victim like the tree it was before all things must dry as you will and I |
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Posted: 6/20/2022 9:32:50 AM EDT
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To all the millions and millions of people living in the desert — it’s time to atone.
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Posted: 6/20/2022 9:41:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why don’t you read the thread dope, then maybe you’d understand where the water is actually going. Hint, it isn’t peoples’ faucets and toilets. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hey let’s move 80 million people into a desert and wonder why they’re running out of water Why don’t you read the thread dope, then maybe you’d understand where the water is actually going. Hint, it isn’t peoples’ faucets and toilets. I know farming is huge. The amount of water needed for an Almond tree is way above most other crops. The problem is if you limit water for farming then the price for those items skyrockets |
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Posted: 6/20/2022 9:43:22 AM EDT
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@hdls Don’t forget the artificially cheap almonds, which make up the bulk of the water use. Almonds are delicious!
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Posted: 6/20/2022 9:46:02 AM EDT
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The flip side is that down in AZ where my Mom lives one acre of irrigated farm land uses as much water at 10,000 homes. Something has to give.
They will have to transition from flood irrigation to drip systems if they want to keep farming in that part of the world. |
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Posted: 6/20/2022 10:10:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know farming is huge. The amount of water needed for an Almond tree is way above most other crops. The problem is if you limit water for farming then the price for those items skyrockets You’ll excuse me if my give a fuck oh meter is broken |
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Posted: 6/20/2022 10:35:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don’t worry, Biden will build it back better After he destroys it? Good luck with the outcome
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Posted: 6/20/2022 10:39:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct. The majority of the water taken from the Colorado is used for agriculture. About 70-75% of what California diverts goes to imperial county which has a population of less than 200,000 for the entire county. Imperial county and the Yuma AZ area produce something like 90% of the country's winter vegetable supply. By using Colorado river water to irrigate. The rest of the country needs to stop buying fresh vegetables during the winter. No demand, no cost effective farming, and water usage plummets. They also produce a lot of alfalfa hay that's used for beefs and dairy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So it's not a good idea to build cities in the desert? This trope is old. You guys complaining about cities in the desert would be complaining if those same people moved into your area. Water is too cheap is part of the issue. $1 gets me 182 gallons of culinary in N. Utah. On Lake Mead, we're too far behind the curve outside of a Federal emergency that levies a massive pipeline project from the Mississippi. Even then, we're (the west) still fucked in the near-term. So, All the desert cities in California, Nevada etc. aren't causing the problems then? About 70-75% of what California diverts goes to imperial county which has a population of less than 200,000 for the entire county. Imperial county and the Yuma AZ area produce something like 90% of the country's winter vegetable supply. By using Colorado river water to irrigate. The rest of the country needs to stop buying fresh vegetables during the winter. No demand, no cost effective farming, and water usage plummets. They also produce a lot of alfalfa hay that's used for beefs and dairy. Things would be real interesting if California property law allowed for the sale of water rights separate from the dirt. In Arizona you can buy just the water rights. But in Cali, it's too expensive to buy sufficient amounts of dirt to make the water worth it. If things were different El Centro and Brawley would be much different places. |
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Posted: 6/20/2022 10:40:22 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The flip side is that down in AZ where my Mom lives one acre of irrigated farm land uses as much water at 10,000 homes. Something has to give. They will have to transition from flood irrigation to drip systems if they want to keep farming in that part of the world. Farm land gets priority. One of the big problems is the multitude of people who live in a desert and think that they have to have a grass lawn. |
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Posted: 6/21/2022 9:29:56 PM EDT
[#40]
Hey let’s move millions of people into a desert and then wonder why we run out of water
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Posted: 6/21/2022 10:22:19 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To all the millions and millions of people living in the desert — it’s time to atone. "I didn't read the thread, and I'm proud of it." |
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Posted: 6/21/2022 11:15:47 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To all the millions and millions of people living in the desert — it’s time to atone. “Atone” Blow me. Read the thread. Stay the fuck out of Vegas, and quit eating any fruits that didn’t grow in-season at your locale. Loser. |
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Posted: 6/22/2022 12:17:50 AM EDT
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Quoted: Sure, most of you already knew that. I remember the first time I visited Vegas in 2008 you could see the water regression lines. What is the long term solution to this ? If you go to “Sin City Outdoors” YouTube channel they have some great videos. Get use to it this country has missed managed are water's for hundreds of year! |
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Posted: 6/22/2022 12:31:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/22/2022 5:09:56 PM EDT
[#45]
 STRANDED!!! Lake Mead's Water Dropped Too Fast!!! |
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Posted: 6/22/2022 6:10:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/22/2022 9:31:53 PM EDT
[#47]
Did the turbines stop spinning today?
Is Vegas going black? |
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Posted: 6/22/2022 9:37:26 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did the turbines stop spinning today? Is Vegas going black? Vegas gets its power from a gas plant IIRC. |
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Posted: 6/22/2022 9:38:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did the turbines stop spinning today? Is Vegas going black? Kind of with all the Cali transplants. Power and water all go to SoCali except a very small percentage. This has been stated and stated repeatedly. 0.0 Edge Lord points awarded.  |
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Posted: 6/22/2022 9:48:55 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Looks like the water level is at 1044 feet. 149 ft to dead pool. "We are 150 feet from 25 million Americans losing access to the Colorado River, and the rate of decline is accelerating" John Enstminger General Manager, Southern Nevada Water Authority How long will 150' last at current rate of drop?? |
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