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Yep, and there are 10,000 military from all branches retiring each and every day.
These will be be the new civilians. “What good is it for citizens to have guns when the government has tanks?” by Bob Owens In the event of an American insurgency, it wouldn’t be a straight-up fight of partisans with rifles fighting against regime tanks, helicopters, and drones. It would be a war where “killing” a fighter jet occurs by assassinating aircraft mechanics, or burning the homes of employees of the companies that make crucial replacement parts. It would be a war where every elected official, government employee, and skilled worker in the supply chain would be a target, every day of their lives. In short, it would be a nasty, brutish conflict full of atrocities with no battle lines, no rear areas, no retreat, and little chance for government forces to survive over the long term. As long as the American public outguns the military—and they do by more than 90 million firearms—no sane government would dare turn on the American people. That is the reason it is so important for the citizenry to jealously guard their Second Amendment rights. |
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** = Active Frontline Personnel Guess all of the support personnel are irrelevant and the hunters don't need doctors, equipment, logistics, transportation, etc. A hunter isn't part of an Army. He's an individual who harvests food. Personnel of nothing but his/her own life. View Quote You don't think doctors,ems ect.. hunt? and do you even battlefield pickup? |
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counting the number of hunters in the us hardly comes close to accounting for the armed citizens in the us.
that number is probably closer to 100,000,000 with enough guns to arm every other american if we wanted to. |
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Same old stupid "everyone is too fat and stupid to fight" blah blah shit.
I guess all police, firefighters, construction workers, factory workers, athletes, hunters, etc, use hover rounds to do their daily tasks. I guess "Air support" will go around bombing suburban neighborhoods that has homes every 100ft, and bombing bridges, and factories, and so on in the hopes of taking out the 10% that might fight who happens to be blended in with "neutral" people. I guess all fighters will gather at one spot to be an easy target. Reality. How do you stop the fat out of shape untrained normal person from shooting at aircraft while they sit on the tarmac with his bolt action rifle? How do you stop him from car bombing the local water treatment plant? |
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Same about as they had on Red Dawn and back during the Revolution. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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so tell me about all the military training the US hunters have had. Same about as they had on Red Dawn and back during the Revolution. Red Dawn was a movie And many that fought in the revolution were former british regulars |
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You don't think doctors,ems ect.. hunt? and do you even battlefield pickup? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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** = Active Frontline Personnel Guess all of the support personnel are irrelevant and the hunters don't need doctors, equipment, logistics, transportation, etc. A hunter isn't part of an Army. He's an individual who harvests food. Personnel of nothing but his/her own life. You don't think doctors,ems ect.. hunt? and do you even battlefield pickup? Like I said, personnel of their own lives. |
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Quoted: Same old stupid "everyone is too fat and stupid to fight" blah blah shit. I guess all police, firefighters, construction workers, factory workers, athletes, hunters, etc, use hover rounds to do their daily tasks. I guess "Air support" will go around bombing suburban neighborhoods that has homes every 100ft, and bombing bridges, and factories, and so on in the hopes of taking out the 10% that might fight who happens to be blended in with "neutral" people. I guess all fighters will gather at one spot to be an easy target. Reality. How do you stop the fat out of shape untrained normal person from shooting at aircraft while they sit on the tarmac with his bolt action rifle? How do you stop him from car bombing the local water treatment plant? View Quote The people who ARE, are smart enough to know better, because they know dumb ass shit like that will bring EVERYONE down on them like stink on shit. LOL, Only plane some seasonal hunter is going to be able to hit is little planes and the local strip... because big boy airplanes are farther than 150 yards from the fence... which means their fixed 100 yard zero won't hit shit. |
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I thought you were going to say the DUTCH.
Those are some tall guys. |
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It's not about hunters. It's about chemists, engineers, inventors, and hard working free individuals that would fucking destroy an invading army and steal their shit and then use it against them. The guerilla resistance in the US would dwarf a'stan, Iraq, Ukraine, etc View Quote Word |
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** = Active Frontline Personnel Guess all of the support personnel are irrelevant and the hunters don't need doctors, equipment, logistics, transportation, etc. A hunter isn't part of an Army. He's an individual who harvests food. Personnel of nothing but his/her own life. View Quote many of which are doctors, truck drivers, etc. - what's your point? if it comes down to fighting for our homes and country, we'd fight. |
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Unless that foreign army can teleport itself here, it's a non issue.
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It's not about hunters. It's about chemists, engineers, inventors, and hard working free individuals that would fucking destroy an invading army and steal their shit and then use it against them. The guerilla resistance in the US would dwarf a'stan, Iraq, Ukraine, etc View Quote This. ^^^ |
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** = Active Frontline Personnel Guess all of the support personnel are irrelevant and the hunters don't need doctors, equipment, logistics, transportation, etc. A hunter isn't part of an Army. He's an individual who harvests food. Personnel of nothing but his/her own life. View Quote those numbers represent the entire military force.at leas the U.S. Military can not speak t the other countries |
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you know, I only had to give up my ta-50 when I got out, the training went with me
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Quoted: Same old stupid "everyone is too fat and stupid to fight" blah blah shit. I guess all police, firefighters, construction workers, factory workers, athletes, hunters, etc, use hover rounds to do their daily tasks. I guess "Air support" will go around bombing suburban neighborhoods that has homes every 100ft, and bombing bridges, and factories, and so on in the hopes of taking out the 10% that might fight who happens to be blended in with "neutral" people. I guess all fighters will gather at one spot to be an easy target. Reality. How do you stop the fat out of shape untrained normal person from shooting at aircraft while they sit on the tarmac with his bolt action rifle? How do you stop him from car bombing the local water treatment plant? View Quote Why would you even mass to fight. Go to work. Pay your bills. Be a good little serf. Fire one shot a week. Or a month. Don't form squads. Don't form armies. Go to work. Fire one shot. One guy here in Montgomery today. A guy in Birmingham in two weeks. Another dude in Nashville a day after that. So one and so forth. If you mass against the U.S. military you WILL die. So don't do it. |
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It's not about hunters. It's about chemists, engineers, inventors, and hard working free individuals that would fucking destroy an invading army and steal their shit and then use it against them. The guerilla resistance in the US would dwarf a'stan, Iraq, Ukraine, etc View Quote THIS. And if needed all us fat, old guys who can't run 50 feet can still mount die in place rear guard actions so the young guys can perform tactical withdrawals. Besides, being old guys we have all the large gun and ammo collections that the young guys would need for logistical support. |
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Most of them are too stupid and not skilled enough to really get anything done. The people who ARE, are smart enough to know better, because they know dumb ass shit like that will bring EVERYONE down on them like stink on shit. LOL, Only plane some seasonal hunter is going to be able to hit is little planes and the local strip... because big boy airplanes are farther than 150 yards from the fence... which means their fixed 100 yard zero won't hit shit. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Same old stupid "everyone is too fat and stupid to fight" blah blah shit. I guess all police, firefighters, construction workers, factory workers, athletes, hunters, etc, use hover rounds to do their daily tasks. I guess "Air support" will go around bombing suburban neighborhoods that has homes every 100ft, and bombing bridges, and factories, and so on in the hopes of taking out the 10% that might fight who happens to be blended in with "neutral" people. I guess all fighters will gather at one spot to be an easy target. Reality. How do you stop the fat out of shape untrained normal person from shooting at aircraft while they sit on the tarmac with his bolt action rifle? How do you stop him from car bombing the local water treatment plant? The people who ARE, are smart enough to know better, because they know dumb ass shit like that will bring EVERYONE down on them like stink on shit. LOL, Only plane some seasonal hunter is going to be able to hit is little planes and the local strip... because big boy airplanes are farther than 150 yards from the fence... which means their fixed 100 yard zero won't hit shit. Most of the game I've shot here in the west has been farther than 100 yards. Most of my hunting riffles are set up assuming a point blank range of 290 yards. Besides only a fool would attack an airbase directly. Take out a couple of pipelines at the right locations, and a few tank farms, and those jets are done flying after a few sorties. Domestic fuel and oil supplies are interesting and involve transporting the fuel to the bases. done properly, you would never even need to see the airfield. drop a few overpasses and any fuel trucked in has a bad day. shoot the tanker trucks en route. there's only so many ways they can travel. Airlift the fuel? cool, that makes the logistical costs ever higher. Our infrastructure, or lack thereof makes some of this far easier than it should be. but it will never come to this and everyone knows it. it's an interesting mental exercise, but nothing more. If it ever got to the point where we are in a civil war, the military would be split. It would also mean we as a nation fucked up so bad it is unthinkable. |
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It's not about hunters. It's about chemists, engineers, inventors, and hard working free individuals that would fucking destroy an invading army and steal their shit and then use it against them. The guerilla resistance in the US would dwarf a'stan, Iraq, Ukraine, etc This. ^^^ I am a child of the Poor mans James bond. anarchist cookbook, Paladin press and Desert publications....before the internet book of the month club |
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Quoted: Most of the game I've shot here in the west has been farther than 100 yards. Most of my hunting riffles are set up assuming a point blank range of 290 yards. Besides only a fool would attack an airbase directly. (snip for thumping of chest) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Same old stupid "everyone is too fat and stupid to fight" blah blah shit. I guess all police, firefighters, construction workers, factory workers, athletes, hunters, etc, use hover rounds to do their daily tasks. I guess "Air support" will go around bombing suburban neighborhoods that has homes every 100ft, and bombing bridges, and factories, and so on in the hopes of taking out the 10% that might fight who happens to be blended in with "neutral" people. I guess all fighters will gather at one spot to be an easy target. Reality. How do you stop the fat out of shape untrained normal person from shooting at aircraft while they sit on the tarmac with his bolt action rifle? How do you stop him from car bombing the local water treatment plant? The people who ARE, are smart enough to know better, because they know dumb ass shit like that will bring EVERYONE down on them like stink on shit. LOL, Only plane some seasonal hunter is going to be able to hit is little planes and the local strip... because big boy airplanes are farther than 150 yards from the fence... which means their fixed 100 yard zero won't hit shit. Most of the game I've shot here in the west has been farther than 100 yards. Most of my hunting riffles are set up assuming a point blank range of 290 yards. Besides only a fool would attack an airbase directly. (snip for thumping of chest) If you're posting on here, you're not an "average hunter" by ANY stretch of the imagination. Anyone posting on here is an ultra minority of gun owners and is about the farthest thing from a representative sample as can be. |
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News flash. If you're posting on here, you're not an "average hunter" by ANY stretch of the imagination. Anyone posting on here is an ultra minority of gun owners and is about the farthest thing from a representative sample as can be. View Quote Bingo. Go to your local public range the two weeks before deer season opens. THAT is your average hunter. |
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many of which are doctors, truck drivers, etc. - what's your point? if it comes down to fighting for our homes and country, we'd fight. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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** = Active Frontline Personnel Guess all of the support personnel are irrelevant and the hunters don't need doctors, equipment, logistics, transportation, etc. A hunter isn't part of an Army. He's an individual who harvests food. Personnel of nothing but his/her own life. many of which are doctors, truck drivers, etc. - what's your point? if it comes down to fighting for our homes and country, we'd fight. Does the truck driver hunter have a designated doctor hunter to go to when he's injured? Does the weekend pilot hunter have a designated civil engineering hunter to go to when he needs a DFP or shelter built? Again, they're personnel of their own lives. Just as the part in blue tries to explain, you're taking the sentiment personally. Nobody is discrediting the skills of the individual hunter. Neither do I dare to say hunters wouldn't fight for their own. But they're not an army. They're individual people. If hunters are considered an army because they'd fight, then why wouldn't you just name the biggest army of all and pick all of the people in China. Was owning a gun the qualifier for being a fighter, or do you have to harvest animals to qualify? Couldn't anyone with a fist be a fighter? If they're not organized, they're not an army. It's simple. Hunters certainly have backgrounds and most would certainly fight at home. They're still not organized with required attendance to fulfill roles, and I still don't understand why you don't just say, "Americans: 318,900,000." Why are hunters the only group of people that are considered an "army" that isn't an actual country's military? |
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Wow it seems that the Taliban, Isis, the norks/chicoms, and Ho Chi Minh all seemed to beat the US without air superiority and inferior logistics. So weird. Weird. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Our country was founded with farmers who hunted. They fought the most powerful military in the world at the time. The human spirit goes along way. Yea, Until it goes up against air support, then its a bad deal Wow it seems that the Taliban, Isis, the norks/chicoms, and Ho Chi Minh all seemed to beat the US without air superiority and inferior logistics. So weird. Weird. Yea, they also had staggering casualties. |
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In WWII the Us army did a study on the actually hits done by members of infantry squads and IIRD it was only around 10% of the soldiers could/would accurately and willingly place sights on a person and fire. What it came down to is that 90% of the people in the US couldn't bring themselves to the situation of "ok sight in on a person and pull the trigger" . Just to freak your self out and get a feeling for it take a a gun, unload it, point it at your foot and pull the trigger. WTF BBQ OMG you moron!!! Is what your saying right, but how is your foot more important that "that guy's" head. If killing people was easy to do mentally why do so many people NEVER talk about OIS? medals for heroism? "nam"? It is a traumatic event. The military instituted actual training about this, dehumanizing the enemy, silioutte shaped targets, non human nicknames(nips, japs, huns, VC, Charlie, and propaganda to the effect) There is a reason that people defending their homes from attackers historically have had a significant win ratio when compared to attacker mental justification. Sniping from a distance would be pretty hard to do mentally when compared to stand up fight/hot blood situation p[particularly against support personnel vs fighters.
I would wager that hunters who had bagged a big game animal before would be better than 10% simply because they had prior mental preparation. Maybe up to 20% but still a very low percentage. |
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Quoted: Our country was founded with farmers who hunted. They fought the most powerful military in the world at the time. The human spirit goes along way. View Quote Yeah, the world has changed since then. Run out into the forest with your Tapco'ed EBR and tell me how you fare against any vehicle that has FLIR. |
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Take away their cars/trucks. How many American hunters can hike five miles with their gear?
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This is silly. A bunch of civilian hunters are not an army. We don't even have universal military training, that in some countries (such as Switzerland) can turn civilians into an effective militia.
Strange to say, but gangbangers in the 'hood, who are used to defying authority, would make better guerrillas than middle class, out-of-shape, complacent hunters. |
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Most of the game I've shot here in the west has been farther than 100 yards. Most of my hunting riffles are set up assuming a point blank range of 290 yards. Besides only a fool would attack an airbase directly. Take out a couple of pipelines at the right locations, and a few tank farms, and those jets are done flying after a few sorties. Domestic fuel and oil supplies are interesting and involve transporting the fuel to the bases. done properly, you would never even need to see the airfield. drop a few overpasses and any fuel trucked in has a bad day. shoot the tanker trucks en route. there's only so many ways they can travel. Airlift the fuel? cool, that makes the logistical costs ever higher. Our infrastructure, or lack thereof makes some of this far easier than it should be. but it will never come to this and everyone knows it. it's an interesting mental exercise, but nothing more. If it ever got to the point where we are in a civil war, the military would be split. It would also mean we as a nation fucked up so bad it is unthinkable. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Same old stupid "everyone is too fat and stupid to fight" blah blah shit. I guess all police, firefighters, construction workers, factory workers, athletes, hunters, etc, use hover rounds to do their daily tasks. I guess "Air support" will go around bombing suburban neighborhoods that has homes every 100ft, and bombing bridges, and factories, and so on in the hopes of taking out the 10% that might fight who happens to be blended in with "neutral" people. I guess all fighters will gather at one spot to be an easy target. Reality. How do you stop the fat out of shape untrained normal person from shooting at aircraft while they sit on the tarmac with his bolt action rifle? How do you stop him from car bombing the local water treatment plant? The people who ARE, are smart enough to know better, because they know dumb ass shit like that will bring EVERYONE down on them like stink on shit. LOL, Only plane some seasonal hunter is going to be able to hit is little planes and the local strip... because big boy airplanes are farther than 150 yards from the fence... which means their fixed 100 yard zero won't hit shit. Most of the game I've shot here in the west has been farther than 100 yards. Most of my hunting riffles are set up assuming a point blank range of 290 yards. Besides only a fool would attack an airbase directly. Take out a couple of pipelines at the right locations, and a few tank farms, and those jets are done flying after a few sorties. Domestic fuel and oil supplies are interesting and involve transporting the fuel to the bases. done properly, you would never even need to see the airfield. drop a few overpasses and any fuel trucked in has a bad day. shoot the tanker trucks en route. there's only so many ways they can travel. Airlift the fuel? cool, that makes the logistical costs ever higher. Our infrastructure, or lack thereof makes some of this far easier than it should be. but it will never come to this and everyone knows it. it's an interesting mental exercise, but nothing more. If it ever got to the point where we are in a civil war, the military would be split. It would also mean we as a nation fucked up so bad it is unthinkable. My statement about shooting aircraft on the tarmac is based on the bases I see locally. All of which can be hit by any gomer with a hipoint rifle |
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It's not about hunters. It's about chemists, engineers, inventors, and hard working free individuals that would fucking destroy an invading army and steal their shit and then use it against them. The guerilla resistance in the US would dwarf a'stan, Iraq, Ukraine, etc View Quote You serious, Clark?.jpg |
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so tell me about all the military training the US hunters have had. Yeah, they also lack artillery and airpower. So did the Iraqis and the Taliban. Both groups paid and continue to pay dearly for that lack of combined arms. When the US decides to stomp a mudhole in someone, that is exactly what happens. |
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Almost all the hunters I know wouldn't make it thru a special olympics basic training.
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Yeah, the world has changed since then. Run out into the forest with your Tapco'ed EBR and tell me how you fare against any vehicle that has FLIR. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Our country was founded with farmers who hunted. They fought the most powerful military in the world at the time. The human spirit goes along way. Yeah, the world has changed since then. Run out into the forest with your Tapco'ed EBR and tell me how you fare against any vehicle that has FLIR. I thought the purpose of the gun is to kill the occupier while he is eating dinner with his buddies and then slink away. I have no desire to meet a BMP in an open field. |
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This is silly. A bunch of civilian hunters are not an army. We don't even have universal military training, that in some countries (such as Switzerland) can turn civilians into an effective militia. Strange to say, but gangbangers in the 'hood, who are used to defying authority, would make better guerrillas than middle class, out-of-shape, complacent hunters. View Quote You say that, but many of the most successful guerrillas came from solidly middle class backgrounds. Something I would expect you to know. |
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News flash. If you're posting on here, you're not an "average hunter" by ANY stretch of the imagination. Anyone posting on here is an ultra minority of gun owners and is about the farthest thing from a representative sample as can be. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Same old stupid "everyone is too fat and stupid to fight" blah blah shit. I guess all police, firefighters, construction workers, factory workers, athletes, hunters, etc, use hover rounds to do their daily tasks. I guess "Air support" will go around bombing suburban neighborhoods that has homes every 100ft, and bombing bridges, and factories, and so on in the hopes of taking out the 10% that might fight who happens to be blended in with "neutral" people. I guess all fighters will gather at one spot to be an easy target. Reality. How do you stop the fat out of shape untrained normal person from shooting at aircraft while they sit on the tarmac with his bolt action rifle? How do you stop him from car bombing the local water treatment plant? The people who ARE, are smart enough to know better, because they know dumb ass shit like that will bring EVERYONE down on them like stink on shit. LOL, Only plane some seasonal hunter is going to be able to hit is little planes and the local strip... because big boy airplanes are farther than 150 yards from the fence... which means their fixed 100 yard zero won't hit shit. Most of the game I've shot here in the west has been farther than 100 yards. Most of my hunting riffles are set up assuming a point blank range of 290 yards. Besides only a fool would attack an airbase directly. (snip for thumping of chest) If you're posting on here, you're not an "average hunter" by ANY stretch of the imagination. Anyone posting on here is an ultra minority of gun owners and is about the farthest thing from a representative sample as can be. He's right ya know.jpg |
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What about the "army" (lol) of us non-fudds? What are we, chopped liver?
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