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Posted: 10/21/2023 12:28:18 AM EST
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He should have painted some art and then sold them to our enemy's but maybe that method is restricted to Bidens.
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Posted: 10/21/2023 12:39:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is why we need to defund. Remember, they didn’t go after gangs, they didn’t go after cartels, they didn’t go after criminals, they took lawful men and made them criminals.
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Posted: 10/21/2023 12:44:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems like you care more about his reputations then he did. To think, he threw it all way to support Russia for personal gain… I guess |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 12:45:10 AM EST
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Lol... it's not like Russia made any meaningful economic gain from LAV.
And newsflash for those who aren't familiar with the AK collectors/parts kit community... there are plenty of guys who got and still get Russian stuff through sanctions. Since 2014, all the Zenitco, AK12/Ak100 series/AKSU/SVD/Bizon/VSS parts didn't come here on their own you know. And today, there are still dealers getting Russian AKM kits and bakelites. What LAV did wasn't anything special. There are plenty of reputable AK builders and guntubers showing off builds from post-sanction parts every day, and plenty who aren't. In fact it shows even with LAV's status, he had to go through the same hurdles as everyone else to get his Russian stuff... granted his connections got him better prices/selections, but otherwise he was no more equal than everyone else outside the law letter MGs. I personally don't care that a bunch of guys are sneaking Russian gun parts through customs, when our government is directly and indirectly funding and arming terrorists and corrupt regimes using our tax dollars. What's a couple Russian gun parts evading customs, versus thousands of Taliban freely looting thousands of M4s/M16s/SAWs/M240s/night vision and even a few helicopters on the side? Not to mention all the "friendly" extremists/insurgents armed during Arab Spring, who thanked the US by killing Americans. |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 12:49:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hello, I think I have information that pertains to this. While I've been advised not to speak on this matter I'm dying and really dont give a flying fuck anymore. I purchased an AK-12 built off one of the imported kits by one of the Gentlemen indicted and was paid a very heavy handed visit by the ATF, IRS, and DHS last week over it. Everything I owned was papered and legal and I've never been an FFL or had any previous trouble in life. They seized everything I had and advised me that an indictment would possibly be coming my way for possession of the AK-12 as it's import is evidence that sanctions have been violated and that it didn't matter that the rifle was imported as a kit and remanufactured here that the act of importation of the kit and possession of it there in of it's self is illegal. Parts count, semi-automatic, nothing mattered except the origin of the original parts left on the rifle which weren't many. I asked about all the other people who purchased these kits and was told that the BATFE, IRS-CI, and DHS would be tracking down and retrieving any kit or built rifle in the country and possibly charging the owners. I asked them how they figured out that I even had one and was told that FINCEN is alerting on large gun purchases now and the banks and Gunbroker are assisting the federal agencies involved in finding these weapons. Beware what you buy kids even if the seller says it's legal. I'm going to sue the shit out of the dealer I bought this from as it was represented as a legal to possess firearm. I wonder if this will have any impact on people buying Zenitco parts and having them shipped from Russia. You specifically mentioning parts made me think about them. I know that they are sometimes seized by customs but I haven’t really heard about the ATF coming and taking them. |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 1:28:35 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if this will have any impact on people buying Zenitco parts and having them shipped from Russia. You specifically mentioning parts made me think about them. I know that they are sometimes seized by customs but I haven’t really heard about the ATF coming and taking them. I think it's pretty obvious the difference between buying parts from a sanctioned country and actively collaborating with Kakishnikov concern, taking money from them and bragging about it in texts. https://twitter.com/2Aupdates/status/1715452631139688806?t=11In5Sd24RhDR8XxKtFu9A&s=19 |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 1:28:57 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP should change the thread title. Vickers isnt just indicted. He plead guilty and testified against the others. That does seem silly that all he had to do to avoid this would be demo the gun for whatever agency. Buy them lunch, let them dump a couple mags. And then the letter of the law has been upheld and he can do whatever he was going to do with the MG afterwards. I am 100% guessing here. But my assumption is behind the scenes, the requirements for demoing or entertainment purposes (like Youtube videos, or maybe lending them out to other business to make a Youtube video) has changed under the recent administration. Because I doubt they would be that lazy when they had such a large number of weapons and in Vicker's case, essentially showed them off to the public via his Youtube channel. |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 1:43:42 AM EST
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NFA is bullshit. Guy is up in age and served his country. Now gets to retire in jail
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Posted: 10/21/2023 1:44:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am 100% guessing here. But my assumption is behind the scenes, the requirements for demoing or entertainment purposes (like Youtube videos, or maybe lending them out to other business to make a Youtube video) has changed under the recent administration. Because I doubt they would be that lazy when they had such a large number of weapons and in Vicker's case, essentially showed them off to the public via his Youtube channel. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: OP should change the thread title. Vickers isnt just indicted. He plead guilty and testified against the others. That does seem silly that all he had to do to avoid this would be demo the gun for whatever agency. Buy them lunch, let them dump a couple mags. And then the letter of the law has been upheld and he can do whatever he was going to do with the MG afterwards. I am 100% guessing here. But my assumption is behind the scenes, the requirements for demoing or entertainment purposes (like Youtube videos, or maybe lending them out to other business to make a Youtube video) has changed under the recent administration. Because I doubt they would be that lazy when they had such a large number of weapons and in Vicker's case, essentially showed them off to the public via his Youtube channel. I doubt anything has changed. I'm not sure you've ever been able to bring in machine guns for entertainment or rental. That's the loophole. You have to get demo letters from LE to acquire them and then you get to play with them because you already have them. |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 1:52:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it's pretty obvious the difference between buying parts from a sanctioned country and actively collaborating with Kakishnikov concern, taking money from them and bragging about it in texts. https://twitter.com/2Aupdates/status/1715452631139688806?t=11In5Sd24RhDR8XxKtFu9A&s=19 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wonder if this will have any impact on people buying Zenitco parts and having them shipped from Russia. You specifically mentioning parts made me think about them. I know that they are sometimes seized by customs but I haven’t really heard about the ATF coming and taking them. I think it's pretty obvious the difference between buying parts from a sanctioned country and actively collaborating with Kakishnikov concern, taking money from them and bragging about it in texts. https://twitter.com/2Aupdates/status/1715452631139688806?t=11In5Sd24RhDR8XxKtFu9A&s=19 Yet we have people in this very thread that claim to have been visited and all their property seized because they merely bought a parts kit gun from someone else who may have been involved violating the import laws. That is concerning. That could happen to any number of completely innocent people that have no idea they're breaking the law. If in fact they're even breaking the law by possessing a gun kit somebody else illegally imported. It would have never occurred to me that possessing a shotgun built on a kit might be illegal or face such scrutiny because of a sanction. |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 2:02:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet we have people in this very thread that claim to have been visited and all their property seized because they merely bought a parts kit gun from someone else who may have been involved violating the import laws. That is concerning. That could happen to any number of completely innocent people that have no idea they're breaking the law. If in fact they're even breaking the law by possessing a gun kit somebody else illegally imported. It would have never occurred to me that possessing a shotgun built on a kit might be illegal or face such scrutiny because of a sanction. That claim needs to be verified, as there are some details that are questionable. It sucks if it's true, but if it isn't, we really don't need misinformation causing panic here. In the AK/parts kit community, getting stuff caught in customs is not unheard-of, but people just get a notice saying their can forfeit or contest their shipment seizure. That's it. I've only ever heard of one guy having to surrender a parts kit to federal agents (secondhand account from a reputable source), but they didn't take anything else - and details are thin on that experience. There are MANY people who have imported Russian gun parts through sanctions and other than what I described above, there are no verifiable incidents of them getting visited by federal agents. To this day, many reputable AK builders and guntubers are displaying guns built from parts that slipped sanctions/customs, and they are doing fine. |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 2:04:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That claim needs to be verified, as there are some details that are questionable. It sucks if it's true, but if it isn't, we really don't need misinformation causing panic here. In the AK/parts kit community, getting stuff caught in customs is not unheard-of, but people just get a notice saying their can forfeit or contest their shipment seizure. I've only ever heard of one guy having to surrender a parts kit to federal agents (secondhand account from a reputable source), but they didn't take anything else - and details are thin on that experience. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yet we have people in this very thread that claim to have been visited and all their property seized because they merely bought a parts kit gun from someone else who may have been involved violating the import laws. That is concerning. That could happen to any number of completely innocent people that have no idea they're breaking the law. If in fact they're even breaking the law by possessing a gun kit somebody else illegally imported. It would have never occurred to me that possessing a shotgun built on a kit might be illegal or face such scrutiny because of a sanction. That claim needs to be verified, as there are some details that are questionable. It sucks if it's true, but if it isn't, we really don't need misinformation causing panic here. In the AK/parts kit community, getting stuff caught in customs is not unheard-of, but people just get a notice saying their can forfeit or contest their shipment seizure. I've only ever heard of one guy having to surrender a parts kit to federal agents (secondhand account from a reputable source), but they didn't take anything else - and details are thin on that experience. Yes I would like to see verification to confirm as well. But with this rogue government it wouldn't surprise me. |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 2:24:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet we have people in this very thread that claim to have been visited and all their property seized because they merely bought a parts kit gun from someone else who may have been involved violating the import laws. That is concerning. That could happen to any number of completely innocent people that have no idea they're breaking the law. If in fact they're even breaking the law by possessing a gun kit somebody else illegally imported. It would have never occurred to me that possessing a shotgun built on a kit might be illegal or face such scrutiny because of a sanction. Still quite a difference between having to surrender your contraband gun/parts, like the unverified post in this thread and Vickers, who is facing up to 20 years in prison. Having to surrender parts/guns the ATF has (often arbitrarily) deemed contraband isn't a new thing, it's been happening for decades. |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 2:31:52 AM EST
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Unbelievable. Explains why he gave up most or all of his collection a while back. What BS.
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Posted: 10/21/2023 2:34:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Still quite a difference between having to surrender your contraband gun/parts, like the unverified post in this thread and Vickers, who is facing up to 20 years in prison. Having to surrender parts/guns the ATF has (often arbitrarily) deemed contraband isn't a new thing, it's been happening for decades. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yet we have people in this very thread that claim to have been visited and all their property seized because they merely bought a parts kit gun from someone else who may have been involved violating the import laws. That is concerning. That could happen to any number of completely innocent people that have no idea they're breaking the law. If in fact they're even breaking the law by possessing a gun kit somebody else illegally imported. It would have never occurred to me that possessing a shotgun built on a kit might be illegal or face such scrutiny because of a sanction. Still quite a difference between having to surrender your contraband gun/parts, like the unverified post in this thread and Vickers, who is facing up to 20 years in prison. Having to surrender parts/guns the ATF has (often arbitrarily) deemed contraband isn't a new thing, it's been happening for decades. It isn't surrendering a gun they deem contraband that's concerning it is the fact they threatened him with prosecution when he hasn't done anything wrong himself and the fact that he claims they seized everything not just the gun in question. I honestly find it far far worse if true then what happened to Vickers because at least Vickers should have known what he was doing and it was illegal. I do agree it should be verified. |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 3:04:08 AM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They always set you up so if you don't plead a deal they will break you and screw over your family. Did it or not doesn't matter anymore. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Says Vickers pleaded guilty FATF  Edit: Did it or not doesn't matter anymore. Can't be said enough. |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 3:08:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Don’t think they specifically target high profile people like Vickers! Regardless of your record and patriotism. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fuck the ATF. Dude goes out and serves his country doing some real dangerous shit and this is how he gets paid back. Despicable. This. Don’t think they specifically target high profile people like Vickers! Regardless of your record and patriotism. My guess is they absolutely do this to send a message. |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 3:22:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That claim needs to be verified, as there are some details that are questionable. It sucks if it's true, but if it isn't, we really don't need misinformation causing panic here. Bullshit on you! You folks buying this stuff are in for a very rude awakening. They didn't just take the kit built gun which didn't even have a Russian MG barrel or anything on it they took everything including my son's bb guns. The government has thousands of new IRS agents thanks to fuckin' Biden and you think this is outside the realm of possibility? Bullshit on you again! I was grilled for 6 hours before they would allow me to call my attorney and one of the questions asked was whether I had ever purchased anything from Kalashnikov Concern directly or other Russian parts dealers. Zentico was mentioned and they made notes of the Russian optics I owned which were purchased through Kalanka years ago. I was also asked if I had ever purchased any AK parts from a place called Kommandostore. I'm a law abiding citizen with no criminal history so I answered truthfully. The government is coming for this Russian garbage and if I had known then what I knew now I'd have bought another Colt instead of an expensive crappy railed AK with a Green Mountain barrel. Now all of my guns are gone and I will likely die in prison. All over a semi-auto rifle. |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 3:26:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It isn't surrendering a gun they deem contraband that's concerning it is the fact they threatened him with prosecution when he hasn't done anything wrong himself and the fact that he claims they seized everything not just the gun in question. I honestly find it far far worse if true then what happened to Vickers because at least Vickers should have known what he was doing and it was illegal. I do agree it should be verified. They even took my son's Airsoft bb guns. This is so ridiculous and traumatizing to deal with at my age with cancer. I have been contacted by a young gun rights attorney in Florida who is going to look at my case and see if he can get admitted to help but from my research his other client was convicted of selling machine gun cards and is facing 45+ years in prison so I'm not very confident in this kids abilities. |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 4:21:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hello, I think I have information that pertains to this. While I've been advised not to speak on this matter I'm dying and really dont give a flying fuck anymore. I purchased an AK-12 built off one of the imported kits by one of the Gentlemen indicted and was paid a very heavy handed visit by the ATF, IRS, and DHS last week over it. Everything I owned was papered and legal and I've never been an FFL or had any previous trouble in life. They seized everything I had and advised me that an indictment would possibly be coming my way for possession of the AK-12 as it's import is evidence that sanctions have been violated and that it didn't matter that the rifle was imported as a kit and remanufactured here that the act of importation of the kit and possession of it there in of it's self is illegal. Parts count, semi-automatic, nothing mattered except the origin of the original parts left on the rifle which weren't many. I asked about all the other people who purchased these kits and was told that the BATFE, IRS-CI, and DHS would be tracking down and retrieving any kit or built rifle in the country and possibly charging the owners. I asked them how they figured out that I even had one and was told that FINCEN is alerting on large gun purchases now and the banks and Gunbroker are assisting the federal agencies involved in finding these weapons. Beware what you buy kids even if the seller says it's legal. I'm going to sue the shit out of the dealer I bought this from as it was represented as a legal to possess firearm. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't think he was trying, if I'm not mistaken Larry had something to do with bringing in the "MAC" SVDs via Hungry. Hello, I think I have information that pertains to this. While I've been advised not to speak on this matter I'm dying and really dont give a flying fuck anymore. I purchased an AK-12 built off one of the imported kits by one of the Gentlemen indicted and was paid a very heavy handed visit by the ATF, IRS, and DHS last week over it. Everything I owned was papered and legal and I've never been an FFL or had any previous trouble in life. They seized everything I had and advised me that an indictment would possibly be coming my way for possession of the AK-12 as it's import is evidence that sanctions have been violated and that it didn't matter that the rifle was imported as a kit and remanufactured here that the act of importation of the kit and possession of it there in of it's self is illegal. Parts count, semi-automatic, nothing mattered except the origin of the original parts left on the rifle which weren't many. I asked about all the other people who purchased these kits and was told that the BATFE, IRS-CI, and DHS would be tracking down and retrieving any kit or built rifle in the country and possibly charging the owners. I asked them how they figured out that I even had one and was told that FINCEN is alerting on large gun purchases now and the banks and Gunbroker are assisting the federal agencies involved in finding these weapons. Beware what you buy kids even if the seller says it's legal. I'm going to sue the shit out of the dealer I bought this from as it was represented as a legal to possess firearm. Welcome fellow firearms enthusiast |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 4:38:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They even took my son's Airsoft bb guns. This is so ridiculous and traumatizing to deal with at my age with cancer. I have been contacted by a young gun rights attorney in Florida who is going to look at my case and see if he can get admitted to help but from my research his other client was convicted of selling machine gun cards and is facing 45+ years in prison so I'm not very confident in this kids abilities. lol. I could be completely out of bounds here, but this smells like a troll. |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 4:43:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Welcome fellow firearms enthusiast Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't think he was trying, if I'm not mistaken Larry had something to do with bringing in the "MAC" SVDs via Hungry. Hello, I think I have information that pertains to this. While I've been advised not to speak on this matter I'm dying and really dont give a flying fuck anymore. I purchased an AK-12 built off one of the imported kits by one of the Gentlemen indicted and was paid a very heavy handed visit by the ATF, IRS, and DHS last week over it. Everything I owned was papered and legal and I've never been an FFL or had any previous trouble in life. They seized everything I had and advised me that an indictment would possibly be coming my way for possession of the AK-12 as it's import is evidence that sanctions have been violated and that it didn't matter that the rifle was imported as a kit and remanufactured here that the act of importation of the kit and possession of it there in of it's self is illegal. Parts count, semi-automatic, nothing mattered except the origin of the original parts left on the rifle which weren't many. I asked about all the other people who purchased these kits and was told that the BATFE, IRS-CI, and DHS would be tracking down and retrieving any kit or built rifle in the country and possibly charging the owners. I asked them how they figured out that I even had one and was told that FINCEN is alerting on large gun purchases now and the banks and Gunbroker are assisting the federal agencies involved in finding these weapons. Beware what you buy kids even if the seller says it's legal. I'm going to sue the shit out of the dealer I bought this from as it was represented as a legal to possess firearm. Welcome fellow firearms enthusiast What's your point in doing that? 
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Posted: 10/21/2023 4:50:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol. I could be completely out of bounds here, but this smells like a troll. Yeah I think ole Jimbo here is full of it |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 4:56:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah I think ole Jimbo here is full of it Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: lol. I could be completely out of bounds here, but this smells like a troll. Yeah I think ole Jimbo here is full of it In what way? The whole story of them confiscating AK12s? Or they took his whole collection? I mean they are going after FRTs and have confiscated many stuff before. They took my legal M76 rifle many moons ago because they claimed it had an auto sear in it. I got my money back on a charge back after two months but that really sucked when they took it at the funshop I frequented. They confiscate and take stuff peeps, don't know why people would think he is lying.
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Posted: 10/21/2023 5:14:13 AM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They even took my son's Airsoft bb guns. This is so ridiculous and traumatizing to deal with at my age with cancer. I have been contacted by a young gun rights attorney in Florida who is going to look at my case and see if he can get admitted to help but from my research his other client was convicted of selling machine gun cards and is facing 45+ years in prison so I'm not very confident in this kids abilities. Sure they did. |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 5:29:03 AM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure they did. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They even took my son's Airsoft bb guns. This is so ridiculous and traumatizing to deal with at my age with cancer. I have been contacted by a young gun rights attorney in Florida who is going to look at my case and see if he can get admitted to help but from my research his other client was convicted of selling machine gun cards and is facing 45+ years in prison so I'm not very confident in this kids abilities. Sure they did. At this point, I'm kinda questioning this also. Why not video it? Why not document it and we live in a world where everyone has their phones for videoing and recording and yet this guy has not one picture, one video, ANYTHING? Not even paperwork showing they were confiscated? Their are 3 or 4 videos of people getting their FRTs taken and there are many more documented cases of people getting visits from the FATF. Right now, I question it also now. |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 5:49:18 AM EST
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Sad theses laws are on the books when the only thing that should have stopped the sale or possession is the sellers willingness or the buyers checkbook.
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Posted: 10/21/2023 5:55:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's lots of stuff over here from molot and Izhmash, as well as all the tons of russian steel cased ammo. Some guys are still getting mags shipped in from russia, even though its illegal. But with stuff like bakelites and older parts kits from before the ban (like that stock set), it is hard for the ATF to point to the item and prove without a doubt it was not imported to the US before the sanctions kicked in. You cant look at the item itself and tell it. Kinda like 30rd mags in california. If you have the same make and model of magazine that was available during freedom week, it would be hard for them to prove your specific PMAG was brought in after that week. Lets not forget the guy with that ugly ass AR pistol with the skull lower and the cane tip who the ATF brought up on "unregistered SBR" charges. He took the public defender train all the way to not guilty town. PMAGs are date coded - Not being the “well, ackshully” guy, just wanted to toss that out there for reasons. I don’t know if LAV is an asshole or not. Most high achievers are to some degree, or at least perceived that way. I saw him once at an event and he seemed very affable but of course, that is part of the business. I know he was a guy who brought a lot to the 2A community. Like him or not, he has been there and done that and was well worth listening to, even if you didn’t agree with everything he was saying. I’ve got friends who are serious players in the industry. You would recognize their names, which is why I won’t drop them. I can easily see how someone whom has made that investment to build a business and lifestyle around NFA items and regularly crosses the lines between personal collecting, consumer sales, commercial work and .gov/.mil contracts can start mixing the ink between them. My friends are very careful to keep everything they do inside the lines, but they are razor thin lines. With the whole “pistol brace” nonsense, there were an overwhelming number of ARFCOM pounding the drum of “will not comply” including name-calling of people who did. It seems a lot of the outrage directed towards LAV is coming from a bit schadenfreude because he was living the life many of ARFCOM can only fantasize about. LAV, nor anybody else, deserves to face what would be the rest of his life in prison, financial and professional ruin and losing his fundamental Rights over essentially administrative violations. He didn’t physically harm anyone. He didn’t cheat anyone. His crime was equivalent to bringing home some Cuban cigars from your Caribbean vacation and possessing a braced-pistol. Maybe he should pay a fine or lose his FFL or say twenty Hail Mary’s, something more commensurate with the impact of the crime. Meanwhile, MILLIONS of illegals pour across an undefended border, Hunter gets a sweatheart deal (if any punishment at all) and the “Big Guy” keeps his 10%  |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 6:05:30 AM EST
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The defendants allegedly intended to impermissibly import into the United States and resell the machineguns and other firearms for profit or to keep for their own use and enjoyment.
Oh no, what a heinous crime. Their own use and enjoyment, you say? How dare they. I've said it before but we need a return to the old standard where the severity of a crime was directly related to the injury done. No injured party, no crime. |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 6:49:43 AM EST
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Jury nullification
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Posted: 10/21/2023 6:55:39 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Or maybe ATF should focus on something more important, like tens of thousands of illegal machine guns in the hands of violent criminals. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Correct, they really should have known better. Or maybe ATF should focus on something more important, like tens of thousands of illegal machine guns in the hands of violent criminals. How about BOTH? Yes, legit crime is being ignored, and that's bullshit, but these guys were also doing business that they all knew damn well was not above board, and they all knew what the consequences could be if ATF stuck their nose in. They made a bet & lost the farm. 
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Posted: 10/21/2023 6:58:14 AM EST
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I’ve read the texts. Still don’t give a shit about “breaking sanctions” and “helping Russia”.
We are talking about transactions in the thousands of dollars here. That does and means nothing when talking about countries and militaries. Let’s also keep in mind that LAV was bringing things HERE, not sending top secret military gear to Russia (like the Biden admin did when they left all that shit in Afghanistan). This whole case is bullshit and none of it should be criminal. |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 7:02:59 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Jury nullification H Little late for that, since he pleaded guilty. |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 7:15:30 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think he was trying, if I'm not mistaken Larry had something to do with bringing in the "MAC" SVDs via Hungry. That's another really "cute" deal. I doubt Hungry reverse engineered , made tooling and forged parts to build a few rifles that happened to be imported and pumped and dumped by Mac and friends. Cool rifles but I would not touch them at any price and they are likely Russian origin. |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 7:19:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Note the "import" part of that, as well as not actually doing demos. If you're importing something on a law letter for demo, you better damn well take it and a box or two of ammo over the LE agency and let them shoot it. If you make it yourself as an 07/SOT things are substantially easier/safer, however, that doesn't get you the cool kids toys like factory MP7s and HK416s. Yeah I don’t get the outrage. The laws/rules may be dumb but he agreed to them when he got his SOT and could have easily avoided breaking them with very little effort. He didn’t and now he’s screwed. |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 7:34:40 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if this will have any impact on people buying Zenitco parts and having them shipped from Russia. BATFE isn't the lead on sanctions. Zenitco isn't the same as regulated stuff like AK-12's |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 7:45:02 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: PMAGs are date coded - Not being the "well, ackshully" guy, just wanted to toss that out there for reasons. I don't know if LAV is an asshole or not. Most high achievers are to some degree, or at least perceived that way. I saw him once at an event and he seemed very affable but of course, that is part of the business. I know he was a guy who brought a lot to the 2A community. Like him or not, he has been there and done that and was well worth listening to, even if you didn't agree with everything he was saying. I've got friends who are serious players in the industry. You would recognize their names, which is why I won't drop them. I can easily see how someone whom has made that investment to build a business and lifestyle around NFA items and regularly crosses the lines between personal collecting, consumer sales, commercial work and .gov/.mil contracts can start mixing the ink between them. My friends are very careful to keep everything they do inside the lines, but they are razor thin lines. With the whole "pistol brace" nonsense, there were an overwhelming number of ARFCOM pounding the drum of "will not comply" including name-calling of people who did. It seems a lot of the outrage directed towards LAV is coming from a bit schadenfreude because he was living the life many of ARFCOM can only fantasize about. LAV, nor anybody else, deserves to face what would be the rest of his life in prison, financial and professional ruin and losing his fundamental Rights over essentially administrative violations. He didn't physically harm anyone. He didn't cheat anyone. His crime was equivalent to bringing home some Cuban cigars from your Caribbean vacation and possessing a braced-pistol. Maybe he should pay a fine or lose his FFL or say twenty Hail Mary's, something more commensurate with the impact of the crime. Meanwhile, MILLIONS of illegals pour across an undefended border, Hunter gets a sweatheart deal (if any punishment at all) and the "Big Guy" keeps his 10% So many here jumping on the, "they got that ass LAV" train while screaming, "my braced 10.3" 5.56 will need to be pried from my cold dead hands" |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 8:05:16 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: PMAGs are date coded - Not being the “well, ackshully” guy, just wanted to toss that out there for reasons. I don’t know if LAV is an asshole or not. Most high achievers are to some degree, or at least perceived that way. I saw him once at an event and he seemed very affable but of course, that is part of the business. I know he was a guy who brought a lot to the 2A community. Like him or not, he has been there and done that and was well worth listening to, even if you didn’t agree with everything he was saying. I’ve got friends who are serious players in the industry. You would recognize their names, which is why I won’t drop them. I can easily see how someone whom has made that investment to build a business and lifestyle around NFA items and regularly crosses the lines between personal collecting, consumer sales, commercial work and .gov/.mil contracts can start mixing the ink between them. My friends are very careful to keep everything they do inside the lines, but they are razor thin lines. With the whole “pistol brace” nonsense, there were an overwhelming number of ARFCOM pounding the drum of “will not comply” including name-calling of people who did. It seems a lot of the outrage directed towards LAV is coming from a bit schadenfreude because he was living the life many of ARFCOM can only fantasize about. LAV, nor anybody else, deserves to face what would be the rest of his life in prison, financial and professional ruin and losing his fundamental Rights over essentially administrative violations. He didn’t physically harm anyone. He didn’t cheat anyone. His crime was equivalent to bringing home some Cuban cigars from your Caribbean vacation and possessing a braced-pistol. Maybe he should pay a fine or lose his FFL or say twenty Hail Mary’s, something more commensurate with the impact of the crime. Meanwhile, MILLIONS of illegals pour across an undefended border, Hunter gets a sweatheart deal (if any punishment at all) and the “Big Guy” keeps his 10% Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There's lots of stuff over here from molot and Izhmash, as well as all the tons of russian steel cased ammo. Some guys are still getting mags shipped in from russia, even though its illegal. But with stuff like bakelites and older parts kits from before the ban (like that stock set), it is hard for the ATF to point to the item and prove without a doubt it was not imported to the US before the sanctions kicked in. You cant look at the item itself and tell it. Kinda like 30rd mags in california. If you have the same make and model of magazine that was available during freedom week, it would be hard for them to prove your specific PMAG was brought in after that week. Lets not forget the guy with that ugly ass AR pistol with the skull lower and the cane tip who the ATF brought up on "unregistered SBR" charges. He took the public defender train all the way to not guilty town. PMAGs are date coded - Not being the “well, ackshully” guy, just wanted to toss that out there for reasons. I don’t know if LAV is an asshole or not. Most high achievers are to some degree, or at least perceived that way. I saw him once at an event and he seemed very affable but of course, that is part of the business. I know he was a guy who brought a lot to the 2A community. Like him or not, he has been there and done that and was well worth listening to, even if you didn’t agree with everything he was saying. I’ve got friends who are serious players in the industry. You would recognize their names, which is why I won’t drop them. I can easily see how someone whom has made that investment to build a business and lifestyle around NFA items and regularly crosses the lines between personal collecting, consumer sales, commercial work and .gov/.mil contracts can start mixing the ink between them. My friends are very careful to keep everything they do inside the lines, but they are razor thin lines. With the whole “pistol brace” nonsense, there were an overwhelming number of ARFCOM pounding the drum of “will not comply” including name-calling of people who did. It seems a lot of the outrage directed towards LAV is coming from a bit schadenfreude because he was living the life many of ARFCOM can only fantasize about. LAV, nor anybody else, deserves to face what would be the rest of his life in prison, financial and professional ruin and losing his fundamental Rights over essentially administrative violations. He didn’t physically harm anyone. He didn’t cheat anyone. His crime was equivalent to bringing home some Cuban cigars from your Caribbean vacation and possessing a braced-pistol. Maybe he should pay a fine or lose his FFL or say twenty Hail Mary’s, something more commensurate with the impact of the crime. Meanwhile, MILLIONS of illegals pour across an undefended border, Hunter gets a sweatheart deal (if any punishment at all) and the “Big Guy” keeps his 10% 100% this |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 8:12:51 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's another really "cute" deal. I doubt Hungry reverse engineered , made tooling and forged parts to build a few rifles that happened to be imported and pumped and dumped by Mac and friends. Cool rifles but I would not touch them at any price and they are likely Russian origin. Which ironically makes the rifles themselves more desirable |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 8:13:39 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone got a link to the full affidavit? |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 8:20:02 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Jury nullification H He already plead guilty. |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 8:24:25 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He’s had some shit luck lately. If he gets prison time he loses his VA disability $$ too that's not true at all..... |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 8:28:14 AM EST
[#43]
show us the confiscation letter.
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Posted: 10/21/2023 8:36:02 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Which ironically makes the rifles themselves more desirable Try importing some un-cut Yugo M76 rifles............... |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 8:42:50 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They even took my son's Airsoft bb guns. This is so ridiculous and traumatizing to deal with at my age with cancer. I have been contacted by a young gun rights attorney in Florida who is going to look at my case and see if he can get admitted to help but from my research his other client was convicted of selling machine gun cards and is facing 45+ years in prison so I'm not very confident in this kids abilities. If anyone is curious whether this is a troll, I'm Matt Larosiere, the gun rights attorney from Florida. While I'm flattered to have fanfiction written about me, I have never contacted this guy, or anyone who claims to be whatever he is. Also, his story doesn't make any sense because the agencies he refers to wouldn't be the ones involved in a joint task force on firearm part Imports. |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 8:44:30 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's another really "cute" deal. I doubt Hungry reverse engineered , made tooling and forged parts to build a few rifles that happened to be imported and pumped and dumped by Mac and friends. Cool rifles but I would not touch them at any price and they are likely Russian origin. I wonder if MAC is going to get some visits and time in the slammer? |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 8:49:59 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And eating Cheetos? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Glad I stayed with repairing printers in my spare time. And eating Cheetos? |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 8:56:02 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: NFA is bullshit. Guy is up in age and served his country. Now gets to retire in jail He knew what he was doing was illegal. But did it anyway. It's on him. Sorry it seems crass, but the same thing would befall any of us. Sorry it's happening to him. He knew the risk. Now he's paying the piper. |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 9:00:31 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If anyone is curious whether this is a troll, I'm Matt Larosiere, the gun rights attorney from Florida. While I'm flattered to have fanfiction written about me, I have never contacted this guy, or anyone who claims to be whatever he is. Also, his story doesn't make any sense because the agencies he refers to wouldn't be the ones involved in a joint task force on firearm part Imports. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They even took my son's Airsoft bb guns. This is so ridiculous and traumatizing to deal with at my age with cancer. I have been contacted by a young gun rights attorney in Florida who is going to look at my case and see if he can get admitted to help but from my research his other client was convicted of selling machine gun cards and is facing 45+ years in prison so I'm not very confident in this kids abilities. If anyone is curious whether this is a troll, I'm Matt Larosiere, the gun rights attorney from Florida. While I'm flattered to have fanfiction written about me, I have never contacted this guy, or anyone who claims to be whatever he is. Also, his story doesn't make any sense because the agencies he refers to wouldn't be the ones involved in a joint task force on firearm part Imports. 
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Posted: 10/21/2023 9:05:37 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lol. I could be completely out of bounds here, but this smells like a troll. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They even took my son's Airsoft bb guns. This is so ridiculous and traumatizing to deal with at my age with cancer. I have been contacted by a young gun rights attorney in Florida who is going to look at my case and see if he can get admitted to help but from my research his other client was convicted of selling machine gun cards and is facing 45+ years in prison so I'm not very confident in this kids abilities. lol. I could be completely out of bounds here, but this smells like a troll. The confiscating airsofts aspect pushed it too far. Gov agencies would have left paperwork. We're going to need proof. Especially since the Florida Man is now refuting the claim. Prove us wrong, Jimbo. |
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