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Posted: 10/20/2023 8:04:31 PM EST
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So does it say how they got caught? Likely an NFA examiner wondered why a rural police dept of 8 sent in requests for 100 belt fed machine guns, and 50 European machine guns. Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 8:07:25 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can simultaneously dislike him, Hackathorn, Paul Hotaling, Grant Timberlake and that entire dickhead crew and still find what happened to them disgusting. Larry Ive known a good while and is a good guy. Now..Paul Hotaling...what happened with him? I had a deal with him many years ago. Haven't seen his name in ages. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 8:12:30 PM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: well, that's dumb. I think our country has much bigger problems right now Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://www.justice.gov/usao-md/pr/north-carolina-and-north-dakota-police-chiefs-and-federal-firearms-licensees-indicted Mystery solved. Now we know why LAV surrendered all those NFA items months ago. well, that's dumb. I think our country has much bigger problems right now way to go atf. That's right, you nabbed Tater Salad. Strong work. I for one will rest easier at night |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 8:16:00 PM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Larry Ive known a good while and is a good guy. Now..Paul Hotaling...what happened with him? I had a deal with him many years ago. Haven't seen his name in ages. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 8:17:45 PM EST
[#5]
Does this mean no more Vickers Guides?
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Posted: 10/20/2023 8:21:24 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does this mean no more Vickers Guides? Standby for the Vicker's guide to sharpened toothbrushes. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 8:23:04 PM EST
[#7]
LAV serial number Glocks just went up in value.
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Posted: 10/20/2023 8:24:29 PM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LAV serial number Glocks just went up in value. Off to gunbroker 
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Posted: 10/20/2023 8:26:40 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you elaborate at all on this? Yeah I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say this guy is either shockingly full of shit, or it's this akqualityenforcment shill trying to stir up more panic for his Instagram because the only places I'm seeing anything about this are this post here, and a screen shot of that comment on his Instagram |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 8:27:31 PM EST
[#10]
I guarantee you that the way they got pinched was something like this:
>Feds or state police are investigating one or both chiefs on something probably unrelated >Search warrants are served and phones/computers/emails are seized >Investigators going through the digital phone dumps, etc. notice plain speak deal making about law letters >If feds, they immediately grab their ATF butt buddies to run with it >If State, they notify their local ATF people about shady deals involving weapons >Shady chiefs squeal like piggies to save their own asses from going to the pen, or reduce time >They immediately resign to try to save retirements >bAtFe serve search warrants on the new targets, seizes all of their guns + phones and records >All assets seized will be forfeited, so each party probably lost 6 figures+ >Legals fees are a bitch, if felons, they won't be able to ever reclaim most stuff seized >Cases will take 2-3 years or more to work their way through >At least one guy will go down hard for like 20 large >Check conviction rate in federal court >LAV saw that there was no chance of beating his charges, lawyers recommended he take a deal >First guy to take a deal wins >LAV won ... the least shitty of the shitty prizes >I'm from the government and I'm here to help :I |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 8:27:57 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I asked about all the other people who purchased these kits and was told that the BATFE, IRS-CI, and DHS would be tracking down and retrieving any kit or built rifle in the country and possibly charging the owners. I asked them how they figured out that I even had one and was told that FINCEN is alerting on large gun purchases now and the banks and Gunbroker are assisting the federal agencies involved in finding these weapons. FINCEN? Soooo something like this is illegal? https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1014930978 |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 8:31:54 PM EST
[#12]
He got any kids? I'd donate a few $k to the kids of a man who's blood was red, white, and blue.
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Posted: 10/20/2023 8:33:44 PM EST
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Been through Ray, ND quite a few times working various pipelines, the notion that they have an actual police department is hilarious, let alone that they would have a need for machine gun demos.
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Posted: 10/20/2023 8:34:20 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I asked about all the other people who purchased these kits and was told that the BATFE, IRS-CI, and DHS would be tracking down and retrieving any kit or built rifle in the country and possibly charging the owners. I asked them how they figured out that I even had one and was told that FINCEN is alerting on large gun purchases now and the banks and Gunbroker are assisting the federal agencies involved in finding these weapons. FINCEN? Soooo something like this is illegal? https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1014930978 "New old stock," it could have been sitting in his basement for 20 years. Kharn |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 8:37:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Likely an NFA examiner wondered why a rural police dept of 8 sent in requests for 100 belt fed machine guns, and 50 European machine guns. Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. Could have been something as simple as looking over business transactions flowing money to Russia and noticing one was for guns stuff. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 8:42:12 PM EST
[#16]
If those 'tarded Russians took our worthless paper for machine guns...this guy needs a Congressional Medal
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Posted: 10/20/2023 8:43:18 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Or you have to be so broke dick you can qualify for a federal public defender.  Kharn |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 8:45:34 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If the Feds offer a deal, take it. If you fight it you'll lose, go broke and do 5 x as many years as you would taking the deal. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 8:48:41 PM EST
[#19]
Joe's pockets would be empty if the FFL's did a UAW type protest.
Unionize you dumb fawkers post has a soundtrack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19UoibinzqU |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 8:49:17 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryThere's lots of stuff over here from molot and Izhmash, as well as all the tons of russian steel cased ammo. Some guys are still getting mags shipped in from russia, even though its illegal. But with stuff like bakelites and older parts kits from before the ban (like that stock set), it is hard for the ATF to point to the item and prove without a doubt it was not imported to the US before the sanctions kicked in. You cant look at the item itself and tell it. Kinda like 30rd mags in california. If you have the same make and model of magazine that was available during freedom week, it would be hard for them to prove your specific PMAG was brought in after that week. Quoted: Who will advise you to take the deal because there's only 24 hours in the day and they've got 48 clients every day. Lets not forget the guy with that ugly ass AR pistol with the skull lower and the cane tip who the ATF brought up on "unregistered SBR" charges. He took the public defender train all the way to not guilty town. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 8:51:56 PM EST
[#21]
the Ak12 is a piece of fkn trash. could of just built cool shit like M240, 249 etc.
not dealt with communists etc. Quote HistoryQuoted: Speculation at the time was the hungarian SVDs were actually russian parts kits, no clue what became of this. But unknown to what extent he was involved in bringing in these SVDs, as the company who originally brought them in is one of the defendants in this. That said, the AK12 parts kits that were brought it is what might have done them all in. Probably not the SVDs. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 9:27:43 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Even if you set aside the dealer sample NFA charges, the import and sanction violations did him in. They are an entirely separate legal issue outside the realm of 2nd Amendment/RKBA. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The sanctions violations are not an NFA issue. If the NFA didn't exist he would still be in deep shit. The documents make that clear. He was actively and deliberately violating sanctions on Kalashnikov/ Izmash. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 9:33:58 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The documents make that clear. He was actively and deliberately violating sanctions on Kalashnikov/ Izmash. I just don't get how someone is a hammer for the government for two decades and then thinks they won't be treated like a nail if they act like one. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 9:43:50 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just don't get how someone is a hammer for the government for two decades and then thinks they won't be treated like a nail if they act like one. Because he trained and knows Feds, they are all chummy at the individual level but once someone above that level gets the bit in their teeth, it’s over. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 9:46:28 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Glock switches and lightning links all over the hood and this is what they focus on? |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 9:46:47 PM EST
[#26]
I'd be willing to bet even if they did a live fire demo the ATF would have been up their asses. I think they basically shut down demo letter guns.
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Posted: 10/20/2023 9:54:52 PM EST
[#27]
It's a lot like the lake Arther NM badge scam but with guns.
And people who know better did shit they knew better. And got caught. And in this case, for what? just to say you have a couple of Shitty AK's that no one else has. It's too bad, but it was avoidable. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 10:00:32 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd be willing to bet even if they did a live fire demo the ATF would have been up their asses. I think they basically shut down demo letter guns. You can still get something like a UMP, MPX, and a B&T to demo to a department legitimately looking at subguns. You can't import a WW1 beltfed because you buy the chief's lunch on Thursdays. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 10:01:55 PM EST
[#29]
I don’t think they’d wait that long. I’m guessing crackdown on SOT’s to be assholes. Keep up on your demos or get fedboi heat.
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Posted: 10/20/2023 10:03:37 PM EST
[#30]
I’m not saying a felon should’ve resisted arrest, but if Larry didn’t want to be taken peaceably I wouldn’t have shed tears for the fallen.
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Posted: 10/20/2023 10:06:05 PM EST
[#31]
Of all the stuff going on now we wasted time convicting someone on this crap?
I can think of more serious problems that should have been dealt with and this one swept under a rug and forgotten about. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 10:10:21 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a lot like the lake Arther NM badge scam but with guns. And people who know better did shit they knew better. And got caught. And in this case, for what? just to say you have a couple of Shitty AK's that no one else has. It's too bad, but it was avoidable. It's still bullshit. He atleast made educational videos with a ton of info on them. The ATF has more machine guns and samples of every gun God himself wants to buy, but screw the guy with the license and paperwork trying to do it as correctly as he can. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 10:10:33 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Or maybe ATF should focus on something more important, like tens of thousands of illegal machine guns in the hands of violent criminals. No, for crying out loud, no. There are NO good ATF personnel. None. Any sort of regulation of inanimate objects is illogical at best. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 10:10:49 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a lot like the lake Arther NM badge scam but with guns. And people who know better did shit they knew better. And got caught. And in this case, for what? just to say you have a couple of Shitty AK's that no one else has. It's too bad, but it was avoidable. Yup. Wasn't brother shooter also Delta or some high end guy? Lot of these high end guys end up working with and/or training LE and develop business relationships with them. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 10:30:26 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Glad I stayed with repairing printers in my spare time. And eating Cheetos? |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 10:30:54 PM EST
[#36]
Anyone got a link to the full affidavit?
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Posted: 10/20/2023 10:45:20 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Standby for the Vicker's guide to sharpened toothbrushes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Does this mean no more Vickers Guides? Standby for the Vicker's guide to sharpened toothbrushes.  
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Posted: 10/20/2023 10:50:11 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: the Ak12 is a piece of fkn trash. could of just built cool shit like M240, 249 etc. not dealt with communists etc. Quote HistoryQuoted: the Ak12 is a piece of fkn trash. could of just built cool shit like M240, 249 etc. not dealt with communists etc. Quoted: Speculation at the time was the hungarian SVDs were actually russian parts kits, no clue what became of this. But unknown to what extent he was involved in bringing in these SVDs, as the company who originally brought them in is one of the defendants in this. That said, the AK12 parts kits that were brought it is what might have done them all in. Probably not the SVDs. FN already owns the 249 market. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 11:01:59 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Glock switches and lightning links all over the hood and this is what they focus on? This |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 11:04:49 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Glad I stayed with repairing printers in my spare time. 9 pages late but only had to go 3 posts down to find what I came to say |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 11:16:32 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The documents make that clear. He was actively and deliberately violating sanctions on Kalashnikov/ Izmash. So motive aside, he was responsible for sending money to Russia during proxy war for personal gain? |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 11:37:40 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So motive aside, he was responsible for sending money to Russia during proxy war for personal gain? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The documents make that clear. He was actively and deliberately violating sanctions on Kalashnikov/ Izmash. So motive aside, he was responsible for sending money to Russia during proxy war for personal gain? Essentially. It states that he facilitated incoming and outgoing transactions to Kalashnikov Concern. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 11:40:46 PM EST
[#43]
Reminds me of Chief back in the day. Larry has done so much this is just dumb.
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Posted: 10/20/2023 11:41:34 PM EST
[#44]
You can have your opinions of Larry. Any fucker that spent as much time in the teams as him...........give him a machine gun. America owes him. You fucks work 330 days out of the year for 16 years. He is a hero.
ETA: This fucking administration is out of control. Before 1934, shall not be infringed meant something. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 11:43:34 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gang members carry machine guns everywhere in our US inner cities. ATF and DOJ are going after these guys because they are white, non-homosexual men who vote conservative. Change my mind. This |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 11:47:29 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Says Vickers pleaded guilty FATF  Edit: They must have scared the shit out of him to get a guilty plea. Poor bastard, but they're coming for all of us. It's well past time we all say enough is enough, they can either follow the Constitution or we will. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 11:48:55 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They must have scared the shit out of him to get a guilty plea. Poor bastard, but they're coming for all of us. It's well past time we all say enough is enough, they can either follow the Constitution or we will. Wake up boys. THIS!!!! |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 11:52:01 PM EST
[#48]
The demo letter game is a crime now? It was a game for decades.
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Posted: 10/20/2023 11:58:28 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You can have your opinions of Larry. Any fucker that spent as much time in the teams as him...........give him a machine gun. America owes him. You fucks work 330 days out of the year for 16 years. He is a hero. ETA: This fucking administration is out of control. Before 1934, shall not be infringed meant something. He pled guilty to sending money to an enemy of the US and breaking multiple laws in order to have toys. |
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Posted: 10/21/2023 12:16:38 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You can have your opinions of Larry. Any fucker that spent as much time in the teams as him...........give him a machine gun. America owes him. You fucks work 330 days out of the year for 16 years. He is a hero. ETA: This fucking administration is out of control. Before 1934, shall not be infringed meant something. Seems like you care more about his reputations then he did. To think, he threw it all way to support Russia for personal gain… |
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