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Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:34:05 PM EST
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 BTW….Where is the NRA?
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We see our role as essentially defensive in nature. While our armies are advancing so fast and everyone's knocking themselves out to be heroes, we are holding ourselves in reserve in case the Krauts mount a counteroffensive which threatens Paris... or maybe even New York. Then we can move in and stop them. But for 1.6 million dollars a rack of new suits, we could become heroes for three days.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:34:07 PM EST
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And now he can’t even touch a gun.

Introducing the Vickers Tactical prison shank collaboration with Gabe Suarez.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:35:04 PM EST
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Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:37:51 PM EST
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Correct, they really should have known better.
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ATF has been cracking down hard on law letters for years now. Reading between the lines it sounds like a couple small town police chiefs were basically just giving their FFL/SOT buddies letters for whatever they want, likely for some sort of favors in return. This isn't the first case I've heard of like this being prosecuted.



Correct, they really should have known better.


Victimless crimes.  Just like everything related to NFA, GCA, etc.

Fuck the government.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:37:58 PM EST
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I don’t think he will do prison time. He’s a sick old man.

Loss of FFL
Loss of guns
Loss of gun rights
Potential loss of mil pension
Potential loss of VA disability

But no prison time, hopefully
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:38:03 PM EST
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They are cracking down on Law Letters.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:39:23 PM EST
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Wow.  I had no idea he was in trouble.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:39:23 PM EST
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Still waiting on these two shit stain skid marks to get some FATF loving, for Fast & Furious.

Oh wait …. ATF was balls deep in it, also. Nevermind.
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Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:39:25 PM EST
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Bruen decided basically that the NFA is unconstitutional. And the recent Benitez’s ruling just reaffirmed this. So I’d fight this all the way up.  BTW….Where is the NRA?
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Bruen did not decide the NFA is unconstitutional, and neither did the Benitez ruling, unfortunately.

The NRA funded lawsuits to re-open the machine gun ban decades ago and failed.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:39:32 PM EST
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All law letters are suspect now, ATF and State Dept. WANT proven and documented setup that it was demonstrated and it was done properly.

Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:42:14 PM EST
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The Law Letter game has gone on for a long time. I suspect MP7s are about to fall out of fashion with the youtube crowd.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:42:18 PM EST
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An FFL I worked for years ago had a demo gun on an LE letter. We did actually let the SO use it for various things. We also took it to events and two-gun competitions. Was a 9MM M16 lower with the mag blocks removed and an regular M16 FCG. It was a lot of fun. Sucked having to give it up when the boss gave up his SOT.

But we only had ONE. And we actually used it for the stated LE purpose. Running a whole bunch through and spreading them around is like begging ATF to look into you.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:44:01 PM EST
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I don’t think he will do prison time. He’s a sick old man.

Loss of FFL
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Loss of gun rights
Potential loss of mil pension
Potential loss of VA disability

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I saw another SOT had the same problems many years ago. He got 6 years.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:44:45 PM EST
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For what it’s worth, it’s highly unlikely he will actually get any prison time.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:45:07 PM EST
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Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:45:50 PM EST
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Looks like most of the documents in his case are still sealed as the other cases are ongoing.

Larry's sentencing date is late January from what I see.  That sucks.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:46:37 PM EST
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And yet you have dozens or hundreds of yutes gang bangin' with their Glock switches, and nothing happens to them as a result of their NFA violations.  They may arrested and catch some weak state charges, but big.gov just looks the other way.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:46:50 PM EST
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I saw another SOT had the same problems many years ago. He got 6 years.
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I don’t think he will do prison time. He’s a sick old man.

Loss of FFL
Loss of guns
Loss of gun rights
Potential loss of mil pension
Potential loss of VA disability

But no prison time, hopefully



I saw another SOT had the same problems many years ago. He got 6 years.


Was that guy a disabled Delta vet with cancer?
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:47:37 PM EST
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Jesus christ, fucking ATF. Sending Vickers to prison over that BS. What is the point in getting an FFL or Sot at this point if you can't use it?
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:47:58 PM EST
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Another reason the NFA shouldn't be legal.
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Was that guy a disabled Delta vet with cancer?
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No, I forget the guys name but he use to shoot on the line at the Knob Creek events. Damn, can't think of his name.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:51:30 PM EST
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Suit shopping
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Bruen decided basically that the NFA is unconstitutional. And the recent Benitez’s ruling just reaffirmed this. So I’d fight this all the way up.  BTW….Where is the NRA?


Suit shopping

Agreed
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:51:56 PM EST
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ATF has been cracking down hard on law letters for years now. Reading between the lines it sounds like a couple small town police chiefs were basically just giving their FFL/SOT buddies letters for whatever they want, likely for some sort of favors in return. This isn't the first case I've heard of like this being prosecuted.
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Similar case in Iowa a couple of years ago.  So yeah, this isn't a new thing.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:53:29 PM EST
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This is where I'm at with blatant firearms law violations.  

I personally believe that every single firearm law on the books is bullshit and an infringement of everyone's 2A rights.
I also believe that if someone openly violates existing law (however stupid it is), they're a fucking idiot.  I don't hope they get caught, but if they do I can't have much sympathy.  What did he think was going to happen?!
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Exactly that.  

Most of the laws surrounding this are clear and easy to follow.  My sympathy level is zero for people who knowingly violate them and then get busted.

That said, the NFA as well as just about all other firearm regulation sucks and should be abolished.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:53:46 PM EST
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ATF has been cracking down hard on law letters for years now. Reading between the lines it sounds like a couple small town police chiefs were basically just giving their FFL/SOT buddies letters for whatever they want, likely for some sort of favors in return. This isn't the first case I've heard of like this being prosecuted.
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I remember reading about the law letter crack down a few years back, and this is the first time (probably because of a big name person involvement and also I don't keep up to date with NFA news) I've seen them go after fraud law letters. Damn.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:54:24 PM EST
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The ATF is the gestapo but these guys should have known better, the risk was not worth the reward.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:55:25 PM EST
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Trident LLC were the ones involved with the first batch of HD-18 (SVD) rifles that MAC fucked up, haha
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The indictment was announced by United States Attorney for the District of Maryland Erek L. Barron; Special Agent in Charge Toni M. Crosby of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (“ATF”) Baltimore Field Division; Special Agent in Charge Thomas J. Sobocinski of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”), Baltimore Field Office; Special Agent in Charge Kareem A. Carter of the Internal Revenue Service - Criminal Investigation (“IRS-CI”), Washington, D.C. Field Office; and Inspector General Joseph Y. Cuffari of the Department of Homeland Security Office of Inspector General (“DHS OIG”).

According to the 26-count indictment, Hall and Sawyer were Chiefs of Police in Coats, North Carolina and Ray, North Dakota, respectively.  Sullivan was the owner and operator of Trident, LLC, located in Gambrills, Maryland, and was also an Intelligence Analyst with the Department of Homeland Security Investigations.  Sullivan and Trident were Federal Firearms Licensees (“FFLs”) and Special Occupational Taxpayers (“SOTs”), which allowed them, in certain circumstances, to possess, import, manufacture, and deal in fully automatic firearms (machineguns) and other regulated firearms.  Tafoya and Vickers owned and operated firearms related businesses in New Mexico and North Carolina and were also FFLs and SOTs.

The indictment alleges that, beginning in at least June 2018 through at least March 2021, the defendants conspired to acquire machineguns and/or other restricted firearms, such as short-barreled rifles, by falsely representing that the firearms would be used for demonstration to law enforcement agencies, including the Coats Police Department and the Ray Police Department.  The indictment further alleges that Hall, Sawyer, and other conspirators signed law letters with no expectation that the weapons would ever be demonstrated to their respective law enforcement agencies.

The defendants allegedly intended to impermissibly import into the United States and resell the machineguns and other firearms for profit or to keep for their own use and enjoyment.  Sullivan allegedly submitted the false law letters to the ATF seeking to import the machineguns and other restricted weapons.  Once the firearms were received, Sullivan allegedly kept some of the machineguns and other restricted weapons and transferred some of the weapons to Vickers, Tafoya, and other conspirators.

In addition to the indictment, Larry Vickers pleaded guilty yesterday to participating in the conspiracy to import and obtain machineguns and other restricted firearms and admitted that he received some of the imported machineguns and other weapons.  As detailed in his plea agreement, Vickers kept some of the machineguns and other restricted weapons in his personal collection and transferred other machineguns and restricted weapons to other FFLs and third parties.  Vickers also pleaded guilty to a conspiracy to violate U.S. sanctions against a foreign firearms manufacturer between July 2014 and March 2021, in the Southern District of Florida.

Vickers faces a maximum sentence of five years in federal prison for conspiracy to violate federal law regulating firearms and a maximum of 20 years in federal prison for conspiracy to violate the International Emergency Economic Powers Act.  U.S. District Judge Julie R. Rubin has not yet scheduled sentencing for Vickers.


Trident LLC were the ones involved with the first batch of HD-18 (SVD) rifles that MAC fucked up, haha



LOL Holy shit, everyone pretty much knew those SVDs were russian too.

Vickers also pleaded guilty to a conspiracy to violate U.S. sanctions against a foreign firearms manufacturer between July 2014 and March 2021, in the Southern District of Florida.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:55:25 PM EST
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Note the "import" part of that, as well as not actually doing demos.  If you're importing something on a law letter for demo, you better damn well take it and a box or two of ammo over the LE agency and let them shoot it.

If you make it yourself as an 07/SOT things are substantially easier/safer, however, that doesn't get you the cool kids toys like factory MP7s and HK416s.
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Judging by the sanctions violation he must’ve been trying to bring something in from Russia.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:55:43 PM EST
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Well, that news was not expected

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Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:56:05 PM EST
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Not Guilty. Free LAV.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:56:11 PM EST
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Fuck the ATF. Dude goes out and serves his country doing some real dangerous shit and this is how he gets paid back. Despicable.
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Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:57:16 PM EST
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The ATF is the gestapo but these guys should have known better, the risk was not worth the reward.
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People sometimes want things that others can't get and will do inexplicable things to get them.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:57:46 PM EST
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well, that's dumb.  I think our country has much bigger problems right now
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Well, he quite literally is a very dangerous man.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:58:46 PM EST
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The indictment further alleges that Hall, Sawyer, and other conspirators signed law letters with no expectation that the weapons would ever be demonstrated to their respective law enforcement agencies.

I'm not up on the minutia, but it sounds like an occasional range day where government employees get to shoot machine guns would solve many of these problems.
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Or... even better... A Fedov that isn't violating the express limits on its rightful duties to persecute otherwise law abiding people for unConstitutional and bullshit paper crimes.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:58:49 PM EST
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AFT abandoned taxation so they should also abandon regulation.

There is no longer a provision for legal manufacture and use as an individual or Corp.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 12:59:26 PM EST
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What a bunch of bullshit…
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This is where I'm at with blatant firearms law violations.  

I personally believe that every single firearm law on the books is bullshit and an infringement of everyone's 2A rights.
I also believe that if someone openly violates existing law (however stupid it is), they're a fucking idiot.  I don't hope they get caught, but if they do I can't have much sympathy.  What did he think was going to happen?!
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Eventually... they will create a law that even YOU will violate. Their stated goal is complete destruction of the 2A.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:01:43 PM EST
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And that he could easily obtain just about Amy he wanted legally.
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Sounds like he wanted imported stuff you can only get as an SOT it just wasn’t under a legit premise.  The Sanctions violation is interesting though, I mean the ATF should’ve denied any transfer from a sanctioned country, if they approved that would make them complicit.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:03:01 PM EST
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Jesus christ, fucking ATF. Sending Vickers to prison over that BS. What is the point in getting an FFL or Sot at this point if you can't use it?
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That's kinda the point... They don't WANT you to be an FFL or a SOT. Period. They'll keep shifting goal posts and changing the "regs" and making examples.


Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:03:03 PM EST
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I don’t think he will do prison time. He’s a sick old man.

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Loss of gun rights
Potential loss of mil pension
Potential loss of VA disability

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A sad end to a true patriot.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:03:22 PM EST
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Former SF with years of service will have his rights taken away.

He won't be able to own weapons and I wonder how this will affect his military benefits.

He may have to several years to serve in prison.

Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:04:48 PM EST
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Fuck the ATF. Dude goes out and serves his country doing some real dangerous shit and this is how he gets paid back. Despicable.
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This. Don’t think they specifically target high profile people like Vickers! Regardless of your record and patriotism.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:05:21 PM EST
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Here's what really pisses me off, how many people have been killed by illegal machine guns in the past 10 years?

Now how many people have been killed, raped, robbed and assaulted by illegal aliens in the past 10 years?

No one can tell me that any alphabet agency is there to protect us, it's all bullshit.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:06:19 PM EST
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I’m confused as to why vickers did not even try to fight this? There is obviously some more stuff missing for details on what they had for a case. And if I was him I would not go to prison at 60 over this shit. No fucking way. That’s all I’m saying on that. The justice system would rather take all his money from him instead of throwing him in prison. I am also wondering why he got to keep some machine guns and not others. Our gun laws are absolutely garbage and have never been intended to be used against actual criminals, just citizens that are trying to enjoy their second amendment rights and unfortunately get caught making some small mistake with our non stop changing gun laws/rules. If only one federal department could be gone immediately I would vote atf.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:06:41 PM EST
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My cousin spent five years in prison and still gets his VA Disability payments. The VA even paid for him to get his CDL when he got out.
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