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Posted: 10/20/2023 3:56:20 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Same guy thatput up a video about printer repairmen watching SpongeBob and posting on ARFCOM, right? I thought that was a Ken/specialized armory thing. somebody questioned his knowledge, he quickly blew a fuse and basically called everybody on ar15.com a spongebob watching printer repairman (not that there's anything wrong with that) Wasn't Larry just riffing on the meme? |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 3:57:57 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted:  He pled guilty Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fuck the ATF. Dude goes out and serves his country doing some real dangerous shit and this is how he gets paid back. Despicable. He pled guilty |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:00:35 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So if I'm reading this right, all he had to do to cover his ass was make a token effort to actually demo the guns to the Law enforcement agencies in question? Maybe 1 or 2 afternoons a year? And he didn't do that? Not to sound like a parrot but yeah, that's pretty dumb. I mean, sure. The law is fucking stupid and shouldn't exist. And sure, they can't go after everyone. But damn... I wear a seatbelt even though my odds of getting in a wreck are really low. The odds are low but the consequences are high. And not conspire with people to bring in parts kits from companies and countries that are sanctioned. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:07:45 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Glock switches and lightning links all over the hood and this is what they focus on? Same thing I thought.
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:08:25 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It has to be related to something Russian. 2014 is when they were sanctioned for the invasion of Crimea. ETA: Beat. Yep. Russian AK-12s. Man it’s one thing to go down trying to get ahold of genuine German machine pistols But getting busted over a POS AK-12? Especially when you can throw enough money at a pre-86 Chicom receiver (or an SLR/SGL) and get a AK-10x clone of your choosing. ($4000 for semi $40000 for full) |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:08:44 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My cousin spent five years in prison and still gets his VA Disability payments. The VA even paid for him to get his CDL when he got out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He’s had some shit luck lately. If he gets prison time he loses his VA disability $$ too My cousin spent five years in prison and still gets his VA Disability payments. The VA even paid for him to get his CDL when he got out. I looked it up. If you're 10% your payment is halved while you're incarcerated past day-60. 20-100% are reduced to the 10% payment while incarcerated. Pension payments are cut while incarcerated. Everything goes back to normal once you're released from custody. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:08:51 PM EDT
[#7]
Guess my insider info was correct when this first came out when he dumped some of his collection and the investigation was happening. I posted a little bit in the thread but was dismissed on here.
3 hots and a cot at Club Fed. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:09:13 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Government goes after low hanging fruit because it’s an easy way to justify their budget and existence. At this point government employment is basically welfare. Protect bureaucracy at all costs. Yup, far easier to go after guys like this than real violent criminals using firearms. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:09:37 PM EDT
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An inner city gangster with a glock switch or some other illegal machine gun isn't high profile enough to be worth the effort of BATFE. Vickers et al are higher profile and makes for a much more press-worthy bust than arresting and convicting some inner city gangsters with glock switches.
I think that is the primary reason we hear about Vickers et al rather than hearing that some inner city gangsters got busted with a few glock switches. If there was sufficient money to be made smuggling illegal firearms and glock switches, the cartels would be smuggling them in rather than dope. Like the bank robber said "go where the money is". |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:12:59 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Man it’s one thing to go down trying to get ahold of genuine German machine pistols But getting busted over a POS AK-12? Especially when you can throw enough money at a pre-86 Chicom receiver (or an SLR/SGL) and get a AK-10x clone of your choosing. ($4000 for semi $40000 for full) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It has to be related to something Russian. 2014 is when they were sanctioned for the invasion of Crimea. ETA: Beat. Yep. Russian AK-12s. Man it’s one thing to go down trying to get ahold of genuine German machine pistols But getting busted over a POS AK-12? Especially when you can throw enough money at a pre-86 Chicom receiver (or an SLR/SGL) and get a AK-10x clone of your choosing. ($4000 for semi $40000 for full) But in the end, that transferable or clone isn’t an AK12. People want things they can’t otherwise get here. Though if they were gonna get busted, they might as well have gone all the way and gotten single saw cut receivers, trunnions, bolts and original barrels… which these kits didn't come with, as most were deactivated or blank fire only guns. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:14:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guess my insider info was correct when this first came out when he dumped some of his collection and the investigation was happening. I posted a little bit in the thread but was dismissed on here. True |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:16:05 PM EDT
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I shit on the ATFs Facebook page regularly. They routinely post about busting gangbangers with glock switches and shit. It's just not televised and unless you follow their social media to shit post on it, you don't really see it.
The ATF is still gayer than 9 dudes sucking 10 dicks, though. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:16:12 PM EDT
[#13]
When flexing on the poors goes wrong.
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:16:52 PM EDT
[#14]
Having seen enough of his videos to understand that he's pretty cocky, I guarantee his own hubris got him in trouble. He believed the hype that he was the top dog of the guntubers and trainers due to his SOFD-D career and figured that and his friendship with a lot of LEO's would keep him out of trouble. Dude was a traveling instructor. He could have scheduled a weekend course anywhere he wanted, showed up Friday morning, did a range demo to members of the local PD, and kept everything legit. Instead, he used his reputation and relationships to acquire things most people can't get just for personal and professional gain without doing all the steps required by law. In reality, he's no different than the Lake Arthur reserve cops.
The NFA and GCA are bullshit laws, but they are the laws of the land. If you've got legitimate ways to bypass them, do it, but do it all correctly and don't be surprised if failing to do so causes you to get your dick slapped. In short, he fucked around and found out. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:17:07 PM EDT
[#15]
Seems it would have been prudent to have a picture and email documented "demo day" with the agencies and firearms you procured all this shit for, for should a situation like this arise.
Bad planning on their part |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:17:31 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I looked it up. If you're 10% your payment is halved while you're incarcerated past day-60. 20-100% are reduced to the 10% payment while incarcerated. Pension payments are cut while incarcerated. Everything goes back to normal once you're released from custody. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: He’s had some shit luck lately. If he gets prison time he loses his VA disability $$ too My cousin spent five years in prison and still gets his VA Disability payments. The VA even paid for him to get his CDL when he got out. I looked it up. If you're 10% your payment is halved while you're incarcerated past day-60. 20-100% are reduced to the 10% payment while incarcerated. Pension payments are cut while incarcerated. Everything goes back to normal once you're released from custody. That still buys a few honey buns and Ramen in the commissary, even at ridiculous prison prices. Kharn |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:18:01 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Glock switches and lightning links all over the hood and this is what they focus on? Not focused on less murders…they prefer the ever increasing “numbers” in the inner cities, would rather jerk around conservatives with the available resources. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:19:13 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And not conspire with people to bring in parts kits from companies and countries that are sanctioned. Yeah that seems like a dumb life choice, too. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:19:32 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I shit on the ATFs Facebook page regularly. They routinely post about busting gangbangers with glock switches and shit. It's just not televised and unless you follow their social media to shit post on it, you don't really see it. The ATF is still gayer than 9 dudes sucking 10 disks, though. I hope you follow @gaytfhq on Twitter.  Kharn |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:21:37 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: An inner city gangster with a glock switch or some other illegal machine gun isn't high profile enough to be worth the effort of BATFE. Vickers et al are higher profile and makes for a much more press-worthy bust than arresting and convicting some inner city gangsters with glock switches. I think that is the primary reason we hear about Vickers et al rather than hearing that some inner city gangsters got busted with a few glock switches. If there was sufficient money to be made smuggling illegal firearms and glock switches, the cartels would be smuggling them in rather than dope. Like the bank robber said "go where the money is". No doubt. If you are going to play in the grey, don’t promote it in million view videos. That could be said for many others I’m guessing. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:23:15 PM EDT
[#21]
Like others have said, it's possible to think the ATF sucks and also think that LAV fucked up.
While the rules ARE stupid IMO, the ATF is making sure that having a FFL/SOT and a few buddies in law enforcement isn't a cost effective way to acquire machineguns and circumvent the Pre 86 rule. They are probably making an example out of him. I know of at least 2 guntubers who should probably take notice. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:29:04 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He’s had some shit luck lately. If he gets prison time he loses his VA disability $$ too Not true. It is only suspended while he is actually incarcerated. It resumes when he is released. Had this happen to a friend. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:29:06 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bruen decided basically that the NFA is unconstitutional. And the recent Benitez’s ruling just reaffirmed this. So I’d fight this all the way up. BTW….Where is the NRA? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha..Ha! That's a good one! You were joking..right? |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:29:30 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So if I'm reading this right, all he had to do to cover his ass was make a token effort to actually demo the guns to the Law enforcement agencies in question? Maybe 1 or 2 afternoons a year? And he didn't do that? Not to sound like a parrot but yeah, that's pretty dumb. I mean, sure. The law is fucking stupid and shouldn't exist. And sure, they can't go after everyone. But damn... I wear a seatbelt even though my odds of getting in a wreck are really low. The odds are low but the consequences are high. And not violate sanctions against Russia. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:29:33 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems it would have been prudent to have a picture and email documented "demo day" with the agencies and firearms you procured all this shit for, for should a situation like this arise. Bad planning on their part Might have helped, but over the last decade (or so) it seems they are starting to ask the question “does a one man department need to issue 37 demo letters for belt fed machine guns”? |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:30:10 PM EDT
[#26]
Seems like a tier 1 operator would have a better understanding of "discretion".
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:30:29 PM EDT
[#27]
I didn't know he was involved in bringing in SVD parts edit that was in vidoes? Yikes
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:31:36 PM EDT
[#28]
Disgusting. Atf needs to be disbanded and nfa and import bans repealed
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:31:37 PM EDT
[#29]
oh thank god they will get this horrible man who served his country off the streets *clutches pearls*
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:32:52 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Poor guy just had cancer and now they are gunna kick him down some more for some bullshit  As much as I hate the ATF, fuck be upon them, him having cancer has zero to do with playing the game and getting caught. He didn't play by the rules, stupid as they are. I'm reminded of the printer repairman quote LAV made about us years back. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:36:42 PM EDT
[#31]
Our government, especially federal law enforcement is an outright criminal disgrace.
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:37:36 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems like a tier 1 operator would have a better understanding of "discretion". Sometimes government employees think are immune from common people problems because they have a government ID. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:42:13 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bruen decided basically that the NFA is unconstitutional. And the recent Benitez’s ruling just reaffirmed this. So I’d fight this all the way up. BTW….Where is the NRA? There’s a suit sale in London which drops the prices from $2,500.00 to $2,250. The board and LaPierre can’t pass up savings like that. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:43:30 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FATF ATF=Gestoppo |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:44:02 PM EDT
[#35]
Anarcho tyranny.
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:44:27 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The NFA is unconstitutional due to it being a tax on a right. We've proven that taxes on rights are unconstitutional via poll tax. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:45:10 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Might have helped, but over the last decade (or so) it seems they are starting to ask the question "does a one man department need to issue 37 demo letters for belt fed machine guns"? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Seems it would have been prudent to have a picture and email documented "demo day" with the agencies and firearms you procured all this shit for, for should a situation like this arise. Bad planning on their part Might have helped, but over the last decade (or so) it seems they are starting to ask the question "does a one man department need to issue 37 demo letters for belt fed machine guns"? Keep in mind that if you don't have to have cool foreign factory guns, an 07/SOT can simply make them without demo letters. Its a safer path, but then again, no AK-12s and MP-7s for youtube clicks. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:48:32 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As much as I hate the ATF, fuck be upon them, him having cancer has zero to do with playing the game and getting caught. He didn't play by the rules, stupid as they are. I'm reminded of the printer repairman quote LAV made about us years back. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Poor guy just had cancer and now they are gunna kick him down some more for some bullshit As much as I hate the ATF, fuck be upon them, him having cancer has zero to do with playing the game and getting caught. He didn't play by the rules, stupid as they are. I'm reminded of the printer repairman quote LAV made about us years back. Quoted: Glad I stayed with repairing printers in my spare time. I was less than impressed with his contempt and better than you attitude when he made that video years ago, but I've gotten over it and lightened up. I've regularly watched his videos in recent years and have enjoyed them. This really is a fucking travesty, and the man is being made an example of. He's being crucified for trying to use loopholes to exercise his 2nd amendment rights and get around unconstitutional laws. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:48:59 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Guess my insider info was correct when this first came out when he dumped some of his collection and the investigation was happening. I posted a little bit in the thread but was dismissed on here. 3 hots and a cot at Club Fed. I remember that. I'll be honest, I am surprised a bit at all this. Mainly the fact he thought it wouldnt bite him in the ass. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:50:17 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Eventually... they will create a law that even YOU will violate. Their stated goal is complete destruction of the 2A. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is where I'm at with blatant firearms law violations. I personally believe that every single firearm law on the books is bullshit and an infringement of everyone's 2A rights. I also believe that if someone openly violates existing law (however stupid it is), they're a fucking idiot. I don't hope they get caught, but if they do I can't have much sympathy. What did he think was going to happen?! "Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted and you create a nation of law-breakers and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with." Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:52:30 PM EDT
[#41]
What in the actual fuck?
Those filthy faggot bastards sell thousands of guns to the cartels with none of them serving a single day in jail for it, have done jack-fucking-shit about the glock switches coming in from china and used by gangbangers across the country, and now they're going after not only SOT's, but a dude that could pretty accurately be called a war hero, over pencil-whipped bullshit? Ladies and gentlemen, your tax dollars at work. Fuck the gayTF. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:52:33 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Having seen enough of his videos to understand that he's pretty cocky, I guarantee his own hubris got him in trouble. He believed the hype that he was the top dog of the guntubers and trainers due to his SOFD-D career and figured that and his friendship with a lot of LEO's would keep him out of trouble. Dude was a traveling instructor. He could have scheduled a weekend course anywhere he wanted, showed up Friday morning, did a range demo to members of the local PD, and kept everything legit. Instead, he used his reputation and relationships to acquire things most people can't get just for personal and professional gain without doing all the steps required by law. In reality, he's no different than the Lake Arthur reserve cops. The NFA and GCA are bullshit laws, but they are the laws of the land. If you've got legitimate ways to bypass them, do it, but do it all correctly and don't be surprised if failing to do so causes you to get your dick slapped. In short, he fucked around and found out. Holmes overestimated his cool guy status |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:55:10 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't know he was involved in bringing in SVD parts edit that was in vidoes? Yikes Speculation at the time was the hungarian SVDs were actually russian parts kits, no clue what became of this. But unknown to what extent he was involved in bringing in these SVDs, as the company who originally brought them in is one of the defendants in this. That said, the AK12 parts kits that were brought it is what might have done them all in. Probably not the SVDs. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:55:29 PM EDT
[#44]
Wow.
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:55:49 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Our government, especially federal law enforcement is an outright criminal disgrace. The law most of them agree is "bullshit" and unConstitutional... but they follow it anyway and denigrate anyone stepping out of line. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:56:21 PM EDT
[#46]
They went after the autokeycard guy too.
It's like the govt is afraid of its citizens |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:56:41 PM EDT
[#47]
Oh, Larry. What have you done?
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:58:47 PM EDT
[#48]
I've been collecting Vickers Guide books. A cool way to fight this BS: Vickers Guide: AR-15 (Volume 2), 2nd Edition
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:59:08 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What in the actual fuck? Those filthy faggot bastards sell thousands of guns to the cartels with none of them serving a single day in jail for it, have done jack-fucking-shit about the glock switches coming in from china and used by gangbangers across the country, and now they're going after not only SOT's, but a dude that could pretty accurately be called a war hero, over pencil-whipped bullshit? Ladies and gentlemen, your tax dollars at work. Fuck the gayTF. You have to see some irony in a guy spending years fighting for the government that people are now calling tyrannical for arresting him. |
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Posted: 10/20/2023 4:59:19 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought that was a Ken/specialized armory thing. somebody questioned his knowledge, he quickly blew a fuse and basically called everybody on ar15.com a spongebob watching printer repairman (not that there's anything wrong with that) Wasn't Larry just riffing on the meme? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Same guy thatput up a video about printer repairmen watching SpongeBob and posting on ARFCOM, right? I thought that was a Ken/specialized armory thing. somebody questioned his knowledge, he quickly blew a fuse and basically called everybody on ar15.com a spongebob watching printer repairman (not that there's anything wrong with that) Wasn't Larry just riffing on the meme? Nope, that was 100% all Vickers. The memes it spawned at the time were pretty epic. |
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