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Posted: 5/20/2021 2:53:51 PM EST
 Failed To Load Title I saw this now locked thread and was reminded of this video I saw yesterday. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/-/5-2454478/ I too think it's weird how so many Christians support the modern nation state of Israel. The Biblical Israel is the Christian Church. Jews and Palestinians both need Christ to be saved. |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 2:55:23 PM EST
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21’er with an Israel thread? In.
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Posted: 5/20/2021 2:57:22 PM EST
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There are two "teams" in that region.
only one of those teams wants to destroy civilization as we know it. and fpni. |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 2:57:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 21’er with an Israel thread? In. It has thots, jews and Christ. Good call. |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 2:57:43 PM EST
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I've never seen a dozen people spending their afternoon standing on a street corner holding pro-Israel signs.
I saw people holding anti-Israel signs do that yesterday. Someone is surely obsessed. |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:00:03 PM EST
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The pro- terrorist are going full force today.
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:00:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are two "teams" in that region. only one of those teams wants to destroy civilization as we know it. and fpni. A substantial portion of the other team wants to destroy civilization too. And even the pro-civilization portion is happy to throw us under the bus. Remember this, just a few days after an obviously fraudulent election? 
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:01:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are two "teams" in that region. only one of those teams wants to destroy civilization as we know it. and fpni. I like Israel as a country more than any of the countries in the region, but I am also sick of getting dragged into multi-trillion dollar conflicts on their behalf over and over and them selling our military tech to China. |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:01:59 PM EST
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How many years now…75-80. The original adults failed to find common ground.
I hear Israel offers Arabs citizenship. Does Palestine offer Israelis citizenship? Even if Israel disappeared overnight, the Palis and the rest of the Middle East would be the same sad place of ethnic cleansing. |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:02:49 PM EST
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:03:07 PM EST
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IBTL
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:03:27 PM EST
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@cheld
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:03:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many years now…75-80. The original adults failed to find common ground. I hear Israel offers Arabs citizenship. Does Palestine offer Israelis citizenship? Even if Israel disappeared overnight, the Palis and the rest of the Middle East would be the same sad place of ethnic cleansing. They all need Christ, he teaches forgiveness which is what both sides are obviously short of. |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:03:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A substantial portion of the other team wants to destroy civilization too.  |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:05:03 PM EST
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Name an Islamic country that you’d rather crash land in over Israel.
Name a terrorist organization of Jewish people that indiscriminately kill innocent people. Name another religion and culture that is as openly discriminated against worldwide, even as far as discussions of genocide supported by entire countries. |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:06:31 PM EST
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Anyone that holds an anti Israeli view has to recognize the "lesser of two evils" breakdown of this argument right?
I guess not. Well, got my second ignore click on 5 minutes off this topic. |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:07:11 PM EST
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Quoted:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4xP2gKyUKII saw this now locked thread and was reminded of this video I saw yesterday. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/-/5-2454478/ I too think it's weird how so many Christians support the modern nation state of Israel. The Biblical Israel is the Christian Church. Jews and Palestinians both need Christ to be saved. Why are you making it about Christians? Many people who may or may not be Christians support Israel because they are not total lunatics' unlike many other people in that region. Israel for the most part minds it's own business and is a good ally to America. If the Palestine's stopped attacking Israel than Israel would no longer be forced to defend themselves against Palestine. It should be noted that many Arab countries, who were former enemies of Israel, are now allied with Israel (either formally or informally) because of Israel's military strength and their opposition to Iranian expansion in the region. People support Israel because they are the "good guys" and Christians tend to support the "good guys". |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:08:01 PM EST
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Let's see.....
Majority Jewish countries I'd be willing to live in 1/1 Muslim majority countries I'd be willing to live in 0/23ish? I'm Christian and I don't "support the jews" for being jews anymore than I support the king of Thailand for being the Thai king but they are both fighting a war against Muslim terrorists regardless of how imperfect their own countries are that if they lose would be a lot more misery for a lot more people. It's really that simple I can look at a war with two ideologies and make a value judgment. I wasn't "obsessed" with South Korea during the Korean War or South Vietnam but are those people better or worse off where communism won? |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:10:35 PM EST
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Umm, well, we kinda need them to rebuild the temple before Christ comes back.
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:10:37 PM EST
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My support has exactly zero to do with religion.
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:10:38 PM EST
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Diplomacy will NEVER bring peace in Israel.
One side does not want it but was offered many times. One side is being played just like here in America. |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:10:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does "ADL" or "Charles Schumer " or "Barbara Lerner Spectre" ring any bells? |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:11:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Name an Islamic country that you’d rather crash land in over Israel. Indonesia, Malaysia, Maldives, etc. |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:15:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Indonesia, Malaysia, Maldives, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Name an Islamic country that you'd rather crash land in over Israel. Indonesia, Malaysia, Maldives, etc. |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:15:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let's see..... Majority Jewish countries I'd be willing to live in 1/1 Muslim majority countries I'd be willing to live in 0/23ish? I'm Christian and I don't "support the jews" for being jews anymore than I support the king of Thailand for being the Thai king but they are both fighting a war against Muslim terrorists regardless of how imperfect their own countries are that if they lose would be a lot more misery for a lot more people. It's really that simple I can look at a war with two ideologies and make a value judgment. I wasn't "obsessed" with South Korea during the Korean War or South Vietnam but are those people better or worse off where communism won? Exactly Look at the tactics of Hamas as well. They like another group here in the USA are more interested in propaganda. |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:15:29 PM EST
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Anyone who thinks there would be a scrap of Christianity left in the area now called Israel if the muzzles take over is a fool. Israel allows me to see sights I consider sacred. Islam would destroy these sights over night.
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:16:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Indonesia, Malaysia, Maldives, etc. Not me, and I bet not most people. |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:16:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: France, UK... I lol’d |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:17:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let's see..... Majority Jewish countries I'd be willing to live in 1/1 Muslim majority countries I'd be willing to live in 0/23ish? I'm Christian and I don't "support the jews" for being jews anymore than I support the king of Thailand for being the Thai king but they are both fighting a war against Muslim terrorists regardless of how imperfect their own countries are that if they lose would be a lot more misery for a lot more people. It's really that simple I can look at a war with two ideologies and make a value judgment. I wasn't "obsessed" with South Korea during the Korean War or South Vietnam but are those people better or worse off where communism won? The UAE isn't too bad... |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:19:39 PM EST
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WTH? Is Storm Front offline today? The 88er's seem bored today.
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:19:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The UAE isn't too bad... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Let's see..... Majority Jewish countries I'd be willing to live in 1/1 Muslim majority countries I'd be willing to live in 0/23ish? I'm Christian and I don't "support the jews" for being jews anymore than I support the king of Thailand for being the Thai king but they are both fighting a war against Muslim terrorists regardless of how imperfect their own countries are that if they lose would be a lot more misery for a lot more people. It's really that simple I can look at a war with two ideologies and make a value judgment. I wasn't "obsessed" with South Korea during the Korean War or South Vietnam but are those people better or worse off where communism won? The UAE isn't too bad... Too party, little different as an average person there. |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:21:02 PM EST
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Not my people, not my problem.
Let them fight. |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:21:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does "ADL" or "Charles Schumer " or "Barbara Lerner Spectre" ring any bells? So your problem isn't with Israel. It's with Jews. Thanks, that's enlightening. |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:22:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Indonesia, Malaysia, Maldives, etc. As long as you don't chew gum or litter. You'll get whipped in public. Maybe get your hand chopped off if you're a repeat offender. |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:30:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WTH? Is Storm Front offline today? The 88er's seem bored today. It's interesting that you think anyone who doesn't show complete support for the nation of Israel is a racist. The Israeli nation was founded by socialist atheists. Maybe you support that kind of thing, but I don't. |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:32:03 PM EST
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I don't really have a problem with Palestinians so much as I have a problem with murderous Hamas.
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:32:49 PM EST
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She's cute.
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:35:27 PM EST
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Dunno who she is, but I'd bomb her Ho Chi Minh Trail!
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:36:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's interesting that you think anyone who doesn't show complete support for the nation of Israel is a racist. The Israeli nation was founded by socialist atheists. Maybe you support that kind of thing, but I don't. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: WTH? Is Storm Front offline today? The 88er's seem bored today. It's interesting that you think anyone who doesn't show complete support for the nation of Israel is a racist. The Israeli nation was founded by socialist atheists. Maybe you support that kind of thing, but I don't. Sure thing Hans. |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:37:03 PM EST
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Nobody is ever supposed to say anything bad about Israel because of WW2. Israel and Jewish people are above criticism indefinitely.
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:38:29 PM EST
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OP, Israel has said numerous times it would consider allowing the formation of a Palastinian state if Hamas, and formerly the PLO, would stop attacking them, but Hamas won't stop the attacks.
Hamas on the other hand doesn't acknowledge Israel's right to exist. It even calls for Israel's destruction in its charter. Who's the bad guy? Eta: correction |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:38:35 PM EST
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Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4xP2gKyUKII saw this now locked thread and was reminded of this video I saw yesterday. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/-/5-2454478/ I too think it's weird how so many Christians support the modern nation state of Israel. The Biblical Israel is the Christian Church. Jews and Palestinians both need Christ to be saved. Please explain the bold. |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:41:18 PM EST
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Quoted: Jews and Palestinians both need Christ to be saved. Well, there’s no such thing as palestinians, and a people’s need to be saved is their own business, so…. |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:41:37 PM EST
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Why conservative Christians generally root for Israel isn't really a mystery to me. I think it's quite obvious. What does blow my mind however, is the absolute love and fascination that the left has for Islam. It's a culture (yes, I've lived in it and had quite a bit of exposure to it) that hates everything the left espouses. Islam hates gays, transexuals, women in authority over men, women dressed outside of religious code, extreme racism and bigotry to anyone who isn't Muslim, stonings, hangings, throwing gays off of buildings, their own book of worship wants the rest of the world brought to heel in Islam or they are to be killed, they hate dogs (who tf hates dogs?), and so on, and so on.
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:41:51 PM EST
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If Hamas laid down their arms, there would be no war
If Israel laid down their arms, there would be no Israel |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:42:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody is ever supposed to say anything bad about Israel because of WW2. Israel and Jewish people are above criticism indefinitely. People say bad things about the Izzy's all the time. It seems the majority that care to comment just prefer them over Islamic extremists. |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:44:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If Hamas laid down their arms, there would be no war If Israel laid down their arms, there would be no Israel Very true! Well said. |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:45:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please explain the bold. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4xP2gKyUKII saw this now locked thread and was reminded of this video I saw yesterday. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/-/5-2454478/ I too think it's weird how so many Christians support the modern nation state of Israel. The Biblical Israel is the Christian Church. Jews and Palestinians both need Christ to be saved. Please explain the bold. Biblically, Christians are Israel. Wikipedia isn't considered the best source but this snippet is a good short explanation. Supersessionism, also called replacement theology, is a Christian doctrine which asserts that the New Covenant through Jesus Christ supersedes the Old Covenant, which was made exclusively with the Jewish people. In Christianity, supersessionism is a theological view on the current status of the church in relation to the Jewish people and Judaism. It holds the view that the Christian Church has succeeded the Israelites as the definitive people of God or it holds the view that the New Covenant has replaced or superseded the Mosaic covenant. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersessionism |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:45:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So your problem isn't with Israel. It's with Jews. Thanks, that's enlightening. Spectre was Israeli educated and funded, the ADL has close ties to the Israeli government, and Schumer gave a speech where he declared himself the guardian of Israel (he doesn't consider himself the guardian of the U.S. strangely enough) |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:53:10 PM EST
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Posted: 5/20/2021 3:54:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 21’er with an Israel thread? In. It's interesting that a large number of these 21'ers set their location in Texas and create threads on controversial topics already in-progress in long-running threads (or locked threads for a reason). I thought with the election over, the number of paid agitators would go down. |
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