Why do you think Texans should give default support for Israel or Jews? Joe Strauss who was our terrible Republican House Speaker for many years, he was jewish. He snubbed many conservative bills. Many jews do not support conservative issues. It is okay to not virtue signal in support of "Israel."

Its the lefts plan to keep people divided.  What really sucks is how many go along with it.

Ditto

What are you talking about?   Christ’s Church was founded in Israel and in places around Israel, but Biblical Israel was not the Christian Church.  Biblical Israel crucified Christ.

The irony is that quite a few in GD support violent punishment/bodily harm for property crimes, unaware that their desires have something in common with Sharia law.

Joe Strauss was bad because he was Jewish?

Were his actions a reflection of his culture, I would say it was likely. Jewish culture isn't Texas culture. He seemed alot more concerned about business interests instead of doing what was right.

I do find the idea of living where litterbugs will literally get caned has a certain appeal.

This... it’s not a religious choice to support Israel. I’d equally say let’s side with India over Pakistan. Israel situation is no different today.

One is a country defending themselves from a terrorist nation, the other is the terrorist nation trying to kill them.  I don't side with terrorists.

There is a vast difference between a conversation about Israeli politics and a conversation about Judaism.  

I have issues with a lot of what Israel tries to justify. It has nothing to do with religion.

I mean, what was he supposed to say?

"Hey Joe, I know you're about to head the the most powerful nation state that ever existed, but I just wanted to say that I think you're an election fixing, child molesting, piece of shit that I have despised for 40 years... Best of luck!"

In before this thread gets locked and op is banned.

Yeah, that's a preemptive * click*

I support the Jews because they are fighting Islam.  That's the only reason.  I don't understand Jewish obsession either.  

And since we are talking about stuff that doesn't make sense, why are Christians circumcising their babies?

as this planet gets ready to go bye bye, preserving peace in Israel was just to buy time for those unsaved to come to Christ. The wheels started spinning towards revelations back in 1844 - the saved are just sticking fingers into the leaky dam trying to hold back what we know is coming.

I guess I don't know enough about Jewish culture.

Palestine is for the eradication of Israel. You will receive the death penalty per Palestinian law for selling land to a Jew.

Thats false theology and isnt taught by 99.99999% of Christians. That’s not traditional Christianity. God adopted the gentiles (non Jews) through Jesus death. He didn’t throw the promise to the Jewish people away. It’s their land. It will always be their land and their birthright (the Jews are his inheritance and “first born”) Jesus himself said SPECIFICALLY he didn’t come to abolish the law or the past but was fulfilling it. The promise to Abraham holds.

That’s the connection (as the Bible says....not a Jew made up idea) between Jews and Christians. They just don’t believe Christ was the messiah but Christians, almost 100% exclusively, believe Israel is the birthright of the Jews.

“The Jews killed Jesus” is laughable in a historical context because the Roman’s (Gentiles) willfully convicted him (Pilate) and mailed him to a cross when they could have decided not to.

The point is we are all sinners and need him.

Life Hack: If you have an axe to grind with someone in your life, just tip off the Mossad that they might possibly have a rocket motor factory in their basement

This.
While there are some Christians that see religious reasons to support Israel, that's pretty rare in my experience.  Most support Israel because it's a island of democracy in a sea of totalitarianism, because it's safe to visit the holy land when Israel is in charge, and continued echo's of the idea of never again.

Do you believe that Jews can be saved without accepting Christ?

I only really support Israel because we've been "Allied" with Israel for quite some time.

The rest of the middle east hates our guts.

I wish the Israel-Palestine conflict would resolve peacefully but it's unlikely.

No. Jesus says so. Not much point being a Christian without trusting the words of Christ. But that’s not the point I’m making. I’m arguing the promise made to the Jewish people. Gentiles (who believe) are adopted into the family. They don’t replace the Jews. The theology you stated says that the Jews are “replaced”. They aren’t. God is u changing. He is faithful as he showed to the Jewish people through the ages. His promise holds to the Jewish people. If they reject the messiah it still holds. That’s why Jews and Christians are not at each other’s throats.


Christians have no “need” or right to take the “Jews spot”. We implore them to recognize the messiah but what God have to them (i. This world) is theirs by His promise and not their actions.

Well I sent them CNN's address in Atlanta.

Rock the casbah - The Clash

Armageddon it.

US A-10s Vs. British Cav

US F16 vs Canadian Light Cavalry

List of Friendly Fire Incidents

You know, ever since I've learned here that disliking a socialist, liberal, FSA country that has purposely killed US Military personnel and sold US military secrets to China makes you an "88er", I've always worn that title with pride.

All humans are sinners and need Christ to be saved. They can have their land but they are not Gods people if they don't follow God. The reason Christ was needed is because humans did not follow God's laws. Arguing that literal socialist atheists (which some not insignificant portion of the Israel population is) are God's people based solely on their blood is pretty racist.

There is nothing anti-Semitic in this post.

Please, please please. Do not believe a thing I post here without investigating it. Investigate it yourself.
Again, please investigate yourself and find out if any of it is a lie.

1. The British started this. They promised both the Palestinians and Jews the land of Palestine in exchange for their support in WWI against the Ottoman Empire.

The majority of the "intellectual" Jews jumped ship from supporting the British when the Bolsheviks dump the Czar, because they were mainly communist.

Previously both the Arabs and Jews lived peacefully in Palestine with the population ~8 to 10% Jewish and the rest mainly Muslims for 100s of years. When the Bolsheviks released the backdoor agreements that Britain and France had in place to slice up the ME between them, even then both the Jews and Palestinians living in Palestine both thought the British would hold up the agreements for an independent state after WWI and they were wrong. Long story short this is the beginning of the violence in the ME between the Arabs and Jews.

2. The Jews were terrorists and committed terrorism in order to gain a Jewish state.

Albert Einstein signed a letter that was also signed by most of the well known and influential American Jews of the time asking Americans to not support Menachem Begin because he was a terrorist. In one of the most horrific acts, his group murdered up to 250 or more Arabs (the Jews claimed 254 or 257 I can't recall exactly. Independent investigators call it closer to 100). Most were murdered as they attempted to surrendered and after they surrendered and some were murdered after being paraded around the town as vanquished foes. Then the town was looted and women were raped.

M. Begin was at one time the most wanted man in Palestine and the British issued a wanted dead or alive bounty on his head because he was such an evil terrorist that killed British, Arabs and Jews indiscriminately. None of that is mentioned in relation to the Nobel Peace Prize he won.

You can google that and find the info. It is easy if you want to really know the truth.

3. The Israelis have constantly taken land from the Palestinians since establishing Israel. The latest round of violence wasn't because of a tenant landlord dispute like Dan Bongino (sp?) stated on Fox News. That is a lie. The latest round of violence stems from an Israeli court giving the land that Palestinians were living on for 70 years to some Jewish people, based on documents that were from the Ottoman Empire. This shit didn't happen even 20 years ago because the Israeli's knew they had to have support for the International community. There is a reason almost every country is against Israel on this issue and it has jack and shit to do with religion. It is actions.

4. The non-Jews living in Israel, Gaza, The West Bank aren't equal citizens. You can't call it apartheid like I have heard to called, because the Arabs aren't the majority, but they were, and between the Arabs that fled to avoid the violence and the mass immigration of Jews, it has flipped the demographics.

Please, please please. Do not believe a thing I posted without investigating it. Investigate it yourself.
Again, please investigate yourself and find out if any of it is a lie.

Does Israel have a legitimate concern with Iran? Yeah. But so does SA, Jordan, Egypt and all the other Arab countries, but if they truly want peace, they have got to solve the issue with The Palestinians, even if some of y'all are convinced there is no such thing as a Palestinians. Hell the Jews living there were Palestinians since before the Ottoman Empire was even a thing.

Do the Palestinians have a right to support terrorists? Hell no. Should they support Hamas firing rockets into Israeli communities and indiscriminately killing men women and children? Hell no, but Begin did it and he eventually got a Nobel Peace Prize.

Look into this yourself and decide on the facts that are easily found and not from the TV reports you have been hearing since the Munich Olympics.

Please, please please. Do not believe a thing I posted without investigating it. Investigate it yourself.
Again, please investigate yourself and find out if any of it is a lie.

Agreed. However as is evident with a few poster's replies Israeli politics has little to nothing to do with their side of the "conversation".

Czechmate.

Good lord...maybe we are all praying to the same God and are too far up each other's asses to realize it. Your disdain and imposition on and for other is ridiculous and counter productive.

The real irony is that Christianity has far more in common with Islam that Judaism.

Christianity believes that Jesus was the Messiah and the Son of God.

Islam believes that Jesus was an important prophet, but not the Messiah, and the only woman named in the Koran is Mary, Mother of Jesus.

The Jews believe Jesus was a false prophet and was a charlatan.

Again, look any of that up yourself.

100% true. But dispensationalism runs deep in american evangelicalism.

Small, weak countries and regions all over the world got screwed by “The Powers” after both world wars.

Pitting people that hate each other against each other by drawing lines on maps.

It’s evil and I believe intentional.

Like it or not, the Jews were and always will be God's chosen people.
Christ was brought to us (non Jews) through the Jews. (Rom. 9:1-6)
The Jews and Israel figure prominently in end times prophecy.

Paul says God did not reject Israel (Rom. 11:1)
He prays that all Israel will be saved (Rom. 10:1; 11:26)

We honor God's wishes as believers, when we honor and pray for Israel.

If you don't like that, you have a problem with scripture.

Perhaps they were just moving to a new VPN and needed something to do.

It is the duty of Muhammadans [Muslims] in general and Arabs in particular to ... drive all Jews from Arab and Muhammadan countries... . Germany is also struggling against the common foe who oppressed Arabs and Muhammadans in their different countries. It has very clearly recognized the Jews for what they are and resolved to find a definitive solution [endgültige Lösung] for the Jewish danger that will eliminate the scourge that Jews represent in the world.[196]

al-Husseini….1940’s

Not my circus, not my monkeys.

Name another country that can launch 15,000 dumb missiles at a superior force, and not be turned into glass.  Why the left supports a religion that is for stoning gays and tranny's is a mystery to me.

If a bunch of eastern European interlopers moved into my grandparents land and claimed it as their own I wouldn't acknowledge their legitimacy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzoah_Rotachat#:~:text=Babylonian%20Talmud,-The%20Babylonian%20Talmud&text=The%20presence%20of%20Jesus%20the,is%20in%20%22boiling%20excrement.%22

@OCT_Jack
Is it to the United States advantage to have Israel as it is or rather under Palestinian control.   A more secular Israel with some religious freedom and protection for Jews or an Islamic state?

The people you're calling Jews aren't Jews. The New Testament clearly and repeatedly and emphatically (Romans 2:17-29, Romans 9, Galatians 3 and 6, Revelation 2) points out that those who have faith in Christ are Jews. Those who hold to a cultural identity....are not.

You can be angry at this if you wish. But it is, and always will be, absolute truth. Your post is true, but only if you define 'Jew' and 'Israel' correctly, and the only way to do that, as Christians, is to submit to what the New testament says on this subject.

Otherwise you'll end up blindly supporting one side of an endless fight over outdated OT land promises while thousands of your Christian brethren are caught in the crossfire.

^^^ This. God is not finished with Israel, as you can see/read that in the bible. There are some prophesies to still occur and when they do, those that are unsaved, face a world unlike any other in the history of the world and not in a good way at all. Wikipedia  is a poor site to quote anything from as almost anyone can add to it and change the actual meaning/context/historry,etc..

Exactly, it’s driven by emotion over logic.

Fuck Hezbollah and Hamas and all their shills.

There is a book that was written by Peter Schafer that does a lot of the hard work of pouring through the 63 books of the Talmud to find what is taught and believed about Jesus in it. It is for sale on Amazon as well as available on Scribd to read with an account.

Many people do not understand that even something as simple as handing out a tract for Christ in Israel is an offense which will land you in jail.

https://www.scribd.com/book/232948265/Jesus-in-the-Talmud