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Posted: 11/18/2017 3:48:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/18/2017 5:30:57 PM EDT
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More winning in the war on people suspected of using drugs. I think police departments should be required to pay out of their pension funds for damages resulting from bogus raids. Maybe then this shit will stop. The very fact that people are still getting raided AT ALL for cannabis is almost mind breakingly stupid at this point. 60% of the country thinks it should just be legal.
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Posted: 11/18/2017 10:42:25 PM EDT
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That doesn't say they have to produce it upon entry. Just when they leave. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, serious question based on the story: If the police knock on my door and claim they have a search warrant, but refuse to produce one, do I get to tell them to go copulate with their mothers? http://i.imgur.com/4v8UUly.png You don't have to open up for a cop who has no warrant. You don't have to open up for a cop who claims to have a warrant. You have to open up for a cop who has a warrant. How does a cop establish that he has a warrant? |
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Posted: 11/18/2017 10:50:07 PM EDT
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More winning in the war on people suspected of using drugs. I think police departments should be required to pay out of their pension funds for damages resulting from bogus raids. Maybe then this shit will stop. The very fact that people are still getting raided AT ALL for cannabis is almost mind breakingly stupid at this point. 60% of the country thinks it should just be legal. |
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Posted: 11/18/2017 10:58:12 PM EDT
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Typically, an affidavit for a pot warrant like this one will say something along the lines of "Your affiant has seen cannabis, also known as marijuana, on many occasions in the past and can readily identify cannabis by visual examination of a clear photograph of a questioned substance. Your affiant examined the aforementioned photograph and positively identified the plant depicted as cannabis, also known as marijuana."
Henceforth, the department's "expert" must say "Your affiant has seen cannabis, also known as marijuana, on many occasions in the past and can readily identify a questioned substance as either (A) cannabis or hibiscus or (B) something other than cannabis or hibiscus, by visual examination of a clear photograph of a questioned substance. Your affiant examined the aforementioned photograph and positively identified the plant depicted as cannabis or hibiscus." Otherwise, he perjures himself. |
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Posted: 11/18/2017 11:01:28 PM EDT
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War on Drugs strikes again. Sigh.  |
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Posted: 11/18/2017 11:04:47 PM EDT
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I think I am going to plant some of these and some japanese maple trees.
My neighbor is a cop 
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Posted: 11/18/2017 11:04:57 PM EDT
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They should have brought in a drug sniffing dog to verify the expert's ID. |
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Posted: 11/18/2017 11:05:03 PM EDT
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They should have used the drug whisperer from here in Ga. http://www.11alive.com/article/news/investigations/the-drug-whisperer-drivers-arrested-while-stone-cold-sober/85-437061710 Statham police, officer Marc Lofton |
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Posted: 11/19/2017 12:05:20 AM EDT
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If it were earlier in the season, the mistake between cannabis and Kenaf would have been forgivable. However, since the Hibiscus was flowering at the time, any "drug expert" should have known better. Immediately. Fire him instantly, pay the couple, and vet your drug "experts" a little better.   Attached File |
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Posted: 11/19/2017 12:11:45 AM EDT
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They should have brought in a drug sniffing dog to verify the expert's ID.  
Damn.... That's gonna leave a mark. |
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Posted: 11/19/2017 12:16:20 AM EDT
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Meh, the war on terrorism, murder, and rape will never be won either but that doen't mean we should quit trying. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This shit is why I can only conclude that the War on Drugs has been a complete failure and only serves to undermine our Constitution and empower the state.
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Posted: 11/19/2017 12:29:44 AM EDT
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They should have brought in a drug-sniffing dog to verify the expert's ID. |
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Posted: 11/19/2017 12:34:20 AM EDT
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Why? The dog has no integrity; if it thinks its handler wants it to alert then it's gonna alert. Dogs ain't dumb, they know where the kibble comes from. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They should have brought in a drug-sniffing dog to verify the expert's ID. 
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Posted: 11/19/2017 12:35:14 AM EDT
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Not to defend the twat cop, but some growers attach large colorful flowers to their cannabis plants to disguise them. For example ... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/257358/Screenshot_20171118-220427-367080.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If it were earlier in the season, the mistake between cannabis and Kenaf would have been forgivable. However, since the Hibiscus was flowering at the time, any "drug expert" should have known better. Immediately. Fire him instantly, pay the couple, and vet your drug "experts" a little better. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/257358/Screenshot_20171118-220427-367080.JPG |
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Posted: 11/19/2017 12:40:17 AM EDT
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I've thrown more pot down the NYC sewers during my time on patrol back in the day looking for guns that I wouldn't even entertain that bullshit. That insurance guy needs a smack in the fvckin' head and those responding officers need a narcotics identification class shoved up their ass. Man, I'm glad I'm out..
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Posted: 11/19/2017 4:30:43 AM EDT
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My father has a large Morton building with a defunct fireplace. He had polyisocyanurate insulation board leaning against it and they dropped his coverage because they considered it a "negligent fire hazard." Nevermind that the fireplace hadn't been used in decades or that they give discounts for polyiso insulation because it's a fire retardant.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since when is it the insurance agent's job to call the popo on his clients in the first place? I hope he loses his business and ends up a short-order cook at Waffle House. Nevermind that the fireplace hadn't been used in decades or that they give discounts for polyiso insulation because it's a fire retardant. |
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Posted: 11/19/2017 4:59:31 AM EDT
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So, serious question based on the story: If the police knock on my door and claim they have a search warrant, but refuse to produce one, do I get to tell them to go copulate with their mothers? The derp is strong in this story, and fuck the incompetent police. They make us all look bad. |
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Posted: 11/19/2017 5:04:50 AM EDT
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Since when is it the insurance agent's job to call the popo on his clients in the first place? I hope he loses his business and ends up a short-order cook at Waffle House. |
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Posted: 11/19/2017 5:14:02 AM EDT
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Police apologies of that nature should come with no less than 5 zeros !
Hope they get paid well and the dept gets their ass handed to them by a judge. No fucking excuse for that level of .
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Posted: 11/19/2017 5:22:24 AM EDT
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Is this where I should say "want to compare IQ scores"? GD gonna GD. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/19/2017 5:33:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Honestly, I think it's the fanatical conditioning which borders on brainwashing along the lines of "derrrrrrrrr git dem doperrrs!!!!" that makes them lose all ability to be rational. Good cop friend I know, who used to deal weed (yes, really) in high school is much more level headed about it, simply because he's smoked a lot of it, and knows that the whole reefer madness gateway drug story is bullshit. 
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Posted: 11/19/2017 5:34:48 AM EDT
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Um, yeah. One of these things is not like the other. But great comparison otherwise!  WarOn(some)Drugs (malum prohibitum). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Meh, the war on terrorism (malum in se), murder (malum in se), and rape (malum in se) will never be won either but that doen't mean we should quit trying. WarOn(some)Drugs (malum prohibitum). |
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Posted: 11/19/2017 5:38:47 AM EDT
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Clearly hardend drug kingpins.
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Posted: 11/19/2017 6:30:48 AM EDT
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That’s got to be embarrassing. The cops involved should be fired, held financially liable, put in jail for a month or two, and have to publicly apologize. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Buffalo Twp Police 'drug expert' entered this into evidence as marijuana. http://i.imgur.com/3lgJSM7.png
That’s got to be embarrassing. The cops involved should be fired, held financially liable, put in jail for a month or two, and have to publicly apologize. |
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Posted: 11/19/2017 6:47:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I knew some guys in the 80's that had their grow operation under a fake pool.......... 
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Posted: 11/19/2017 6:51:30 AM EDT
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Can't wait til the dipshits find me with a bale of alfalfa for my horses in my SUV.
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Posted: 11/19/2017 7:03:43 AM EDT
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The insurance guy deleted his LinkedIn account. I wonder how many people looked him up and harassed him.
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Posted: 11/19/2017 7:06:27 AM EDT
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Holy fucking shit.
WOD has reached a new level of embarrassment. How in the blue fuck does anyone confuse hibiscus and pot!?!? In an age where pot leaves are plastered all over everything and you can look up pot farm pics to see what they look like when it's grown. I've seen other plants that have an uncanny resemblance to pot plants. I hope those officers never go to Lowe's or home Depot. Seriously, how much time do you have to spend in mom's basement or under a rock?!? |
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Posted: 11/19/2017 7:09:09 AM EDT
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Apparently, theres a type of hybiscus called "Hibiscus cannabinus" or Kenaf that does look like cannabis. Picture of it-- https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=Af513d967356c0823dd4e7953c1636f21&w=300&h=200&c=7&qlt=90&o=4&dpr=1.25&pid=1.7 Though, the self professed expert should easily be able to tell the two apart. Oh, and fuck the insurance company too. And there may be other fucks as I get through this thread. |
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Posted: 11/19/2017 7:10:37 AM EDT
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I was about to laugh my ass off at this story, because all the hibiscus plants I've ever seen had big broad teardrop shaped leaves like this... https://www.bikemaui.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/amazonia-hibiscus.jpg But damn that one you posted really does look a lot like the good stuff. I could definitely see someone being fooled by that, I've got several hibiscus plants in my yard right now and I had no idea a variety like that existed. Would it have been that hard to ask the owners what it was? |
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Posted: 11/19/2017 7:12:07 AM EDT
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"Drug Recognition Expert" = "I don't need no warrant. Your'e guilty because I said so!" Signed: a former narc |
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Posted: 11/19/2017 7:19:52 AM EDT
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Typically, an affidavit for a pot warrant like this one will say something along the lines of "Your affiant has seen cannabis, also known as marijuana, on many occasions in the past and can readily identify cannabis by visual examination of a clear photograph of a questioned substance. Your affiant examined the aforementioned photograph and positively identified the plant depicted as cannabis, also known as marijuana." Henceforth, the department's "expert" must say "Your affiant has seen cannabis, also known as marijuana, on many occasions in the past and can readily identify a questioned substance as either (A) cannabis or hibiscus or (B) something other than cannabis or hibiscus, by visual examination of a clear photograph of a questioned substance. Your affiant examined the aforementioned photograph and positively identified the plant depicted as cannabis or hibiscus." Otherwise, he perjures himself. This same officer was later on the road when the narcotics task force needed someone to sit on a drug house while they got a warrant. Not to let little things like having a warrant signed before breaking down the door of a house with no one inside stop them they hit the door before the warrant was signed. Unfortunately for the lies they concocted the house had a monitored alarm system with motion sensors inside which caught them. Officer full of shit from the red light stop sitting in his car mere feet from the door some how never saw or heard a damn thing and managed to get himself involved in yet another civil suit before the first was even settled. Same city while serving on a grand jury we had two cops come in and testify that when they told a guy on a bike crossing the street to stop the guy took off and they had to chase him. This was early in the grand jury so no one was expecting a cop to be full of shit and everyone was just asking friendly questions to get an idea of what happened but one of the cops changed his story so much that everyone caught on to him being full of shit. Eventually through the questioning his story changed from the guy took off trying to get away to stopping in mere feet after being told to stop. We asked the prosecutor who ran the grand jury if we could charge the cop who first testified and never came clean with perjury. He fed us a line of shit that we couldn't |
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Posted: 11/19/2017 7:24:30 AM EDT
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I wonder what basis was used for issuing the warrant? I know the difference between pot and other plants, I know what poppies look like, but I could trip over a coca plant and not have any idea what it was. There are a number of intoxicating plants that I could not identify. Most westerners are only familiar with pot, and poppies, but there are plenty of other intoxicating plants out there. |
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Posted: 11/19/2017 7:52:21 AM EDT
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Good thing they didn't have a dog!
In a free society everyone should be held Personally accountable for their actions, including all officers of the State. |
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Posted: 11/19/2017 10:46:07 AM EDT
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Good thing they didn't have a dog! In a free society everyone should be held Personally accountable for their actions, including all officers of the State. If they were held civilly (and criminally in many cases) liable for their actions, stupid shit like this would not happen and they would clean the problem children from their ranks. As of now there really is no incentive to do so in many agencies. |
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Posted: 11/19/2017 12:11:00 PM EDT
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Should be on the hook for perjury if they are wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: If they aren't experts in drug identification they shouldn't call themselves drug identification experts. But they've built a system where they can earn the expert title with about 120 hours of work so it's on them.
I'll help: Perjury is the intentional act of swearing a false oath or falsifying an affirmation to tell the truth, whether spoken or in writing, concerning matters material to an official proceeding. |
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Posted: 11/19/2017 12:18:21 PM EDT
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I'll help: Perjury is the intentional act of swearing a false oath or falsifying an affirmation to tell the truth, whether spoken or in writing, concerning matters material to an official proceeding. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'll help: Perjury is the intentional act of swearing a false oath or falsifying an affirmation to tell the truth, whether spoken or in writing, concerning matters material to an official proceeding. |
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Posted: 11/19/2017 12:59:22 PM EDT
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I'll help: Perjury is the intentional act of swearing a false oath or falsifying an affirmation to tell the truth, whether spoken or in writing, concerning matters material to an official proceeding. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'll help: Perjury is the intentional act of swearing a false oath or falsifying an affirmation to tell the truth, whether spoken or in writing, concerning matters material to an official proceeding.
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Posted: 11/19/2017 1:40:40 PM EDT
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Such as swearing a falsehood to a judge to get a warrant? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/19/2017 2:38:25 PM EDT
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Did they drive this? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/145185/10632296_1611099479168061_1576497907_n-367245.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/19/2017 2:52:19 PM EDT
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As Scooby Doo would say "ruh roh" looks like these guys are going to be paying out the ass.
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Posted: 11/19/2017 3:14:05 PM EDT
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One of two things should happen, but of course neither will. Either these "experts" should have been able to id the plants and didn't because they were negligent and should be fired and sued personally, or they did it on purpose and should be imprisoned and sued personally.
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Posted: 11/19/2017 3:16:58 PM EDT
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sue big
I hope the tax payers taxes go up big for this. once the taxpayers realize their taxes went up because they voted for fucking idiots that hire idiots, maybe they'll think before voting next time. |
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Posted: 11/19/2017 3:18:39 PM EDT
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can't expect cops to be an expert in every subject. no, but they should look at the situation in its entirety and make a rational judgement. they are liable. |
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Posted: 11/19/2017 3:32:38 PM EDT
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sue big I hope the tax payers taxes go up big for this. once the taxpayers realize their taxes went up because they voted for fucking idiots that hire idiots, maybe they'll think before voting next time. Look at NYC.
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Posted: 11/19/2017 5:26:15 PM EDT
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can't expect cops to be an expert in every subject. |
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Posted: 11/19/2017 5:36:41 PM EDT
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If you read the article it was their idiot insurance guy who mistook the plants and got the cops all hot and bothered. Then the cops went full retard. There were a few local news stories on it yesterday since the lawsuit was filed. The insurance guy was inspecting damage to the home from some other event and of course this guy called the cops to report this couple's massive weed operation. The insurance company also threatened to drop coverage of the couple due to their "weed" operation. Then the cops ransack the place and damage stuff looking for "weed." |
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Posted: 11/19/2017 5:41:34 PM EDT
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This reminds me of a case I heard about on a warrant. The warrant said that the police photographed marijuana leaves in a greenhouse using a 35mm camera at an altitude of 1500 feet. Defense expert had a photo reconnaissance expert from the Army Corps of Engineers take similar photographs of leaves taped to the inside of the greenhouse from 1500, 1000, and 500 feet with the same camera equipment the warrant claimed to use. The expert also took photos using a far better camera that had a 2.25"x2.25" negative (35mm is about 1.25" square) from the same three altitudes. The larger negatives gave far better detail when enlarged. In all six photographic presentations the defense presented, regardless of the amount of magnification done to the prints from negatives, no one could tell what any of the leaves were. Everything from the warrant was tossed out as the Judge said the officer clearly lied to get the warrant. With no evidence, there was no case. Bottom line...don't lie to get a warrant, and you won't get your knuckles rapped. |
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Posted: 11/19/2017 5:45:15 PM EDT
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Never happens. Look at NYC. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I hope the tax payers taxes go up big for this. Once the taxpayers realize their taxes went up because they voted for fucking idiots that hire idiots, maybe they'll think before voting next time. Look at NYC.
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