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Posted: 12/28/2021 10:38:13 AM EDT
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"Something just happened"
After reading some news articles, there really is quite a but of info missing. |
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damn i would be shitting in my pants and screaming like a bitch on my way down
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View Quote Damn! Listening to that pilot in his last moments. |
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I imagine something was amiss due to canceling IFR and requesting runway lights at brightest?
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Sad hearing the pilot’s last words.
Wonder what happened - spatial disorientation I imagine? |
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I thought there was some sort of “gentleman’s agreement” to not air atc audio like that.
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looks like he was banking hard and lost altitude rapidly.
Engine sounded like they were working. I found this website explaining bank angle and lift. Not saying it is what happened but I thought Id post it. https://www.boldmethod.com/learn-to-fly/aerodynamics/why-does-aircraft-stall-speed-increase-with-bank-angle-aerodynamically/ |
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Looks like it was in a spin.
Steep turn to final and not enough airspeed could have stalled a wing. Just spitballing. |
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Quoted: Sad hearing the pilot's last words. Wonder what happened - spatial disorientation I imagine? View Quote That spiral in seems like it could have been "came through clouds and realized at wrong angle" attempt at pull up. |
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Quoted: Looks like it was in a spin. Steep turn to final and not enough airspeed could have stalled a wing. Just spitballing. View Quote RNAV GPS to 17, then goes to circle to 27R. Very possible they were too slow, with too much bank angle. Especially if the circle wasn't initially planned for. I don't know shit about Lears, but there were no stall buzzers or anything in the background of that transmission. |
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I believe it was yet another instrument approach then circle to land casualty. They kill so many pilots in unforgiving fast aircraft.
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Quoted: No it crashed... but what it didn't do is "explode" or "blow up" A bomb "explodes" A house filled with natural gas "explodes" An over pressured water heater "explodes" An aircraft hits the ground, fuel tanks rupture spraying fuel, which ignites into flames But it doesn't "explode" View Quote Pedantic |
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Quoted: No it crashed... but what it didn't do is "explode" or "blow up" A bomb "explodes" A house filled with natural gas "explodes" An over pressured water heater "explodes" An aircraft hits the ground, fuel tanks rupture spraying fuel, which ignites into flames But it doesn't "explode" View Quote Yeah!! I mean why didn’t the guy be more accurate and say “geez babe I think a plane just made an uncontrolled descent into terrain and subsequently deflagrated!” as he witnessed a plane crash. He witnessed a plane crash. Give him some slack. We don’t always need to be so pedantic. |
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Quoted: That or some sort of catastrophic failure. He went from getting the runway and instructions right, and doing the turn to "I am gonna die" in about 2 seconds. That spiral in seems like it could have been "came through clouds and realized at wrong angle" attempt at pull up. View Quote I don't think he was that close to the runway but thought he was. This will end up as pilot error. |
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Quoted: Looks like it was in a spin. Steep turn to final and not enough airspeed could have stalled a wing. Just spitballing. View Quote The engines sound very loud to be at basically idle power for landing. Do these jets have thrust reverser? Maybe uncommanded or accidental engagement of thrust reverser? It surely sounds like the engines are at max power. |
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Quoted: No it crashed... but what it didn't do is "explode" or "blow up" A bomb "explodes" A house filled with natural gas "explodes" An over pressured water heater "explodes" An aircraft hits the ground, fuel tanks rupture spraying fuel, which ignites into flames But it doesn't "explode" View Quote Ok are all 3300+ posts you’ve made in 8 months this detailed? I vote for an admin to change your screen name to Technical_Tammy |
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Quoted: No it crashed... but what it didn't do is "explode" or "blow up" A bomb "explodes" A house filled with natural gas "explodes" An over pressured water heater "explodes" An aircraft hits the ground, fuel tanks rupture spraying fuel, which ignites into flames But it doesn't "explode" View Quote Looked all splody in the video, but I guess being all super technical about everything is really the most important thing. |
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Quoted: Hearing those pilots last words facing death is chilling. View Quote San Diego Gillespie Field Tower cleared the flight to land on runway 17. At 19:11 the flight contacted ATC, cancelling their IFR clearance and requesting to land on runway 27R. It was approved. The flight crew then requested the runway lights to be turned up, to which the controller replied that “they are at a 100% now”. The pilot requesting clearance to land then screaming “…oh shit! oh shit!,” before the transmission went silent. |
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Quoted: The engines sound very loud to be at basically idle power for landing. Do these jets have thrust reverser? Maybe uncommanded or accidental engagement of thrust reverser? It surely sounds like the engines are at max power. View Quote There are several Lear drivers that are members here, hoping that a few will chime in on this thread. I don't think it is recommended to have power settings at flight idle while turning base to final in a Lear 35, more likely to pull power after crossing the fence on final. IDK, but I am sure we will get schooled on it from those that do. |
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Quoted: San Diego Gillespie Field Tower cleared the flight to land on runway 17. At 19:11 the flight contacted ATC, cancelling their IFR clearance and requesting to land on runway 27R. It was approved. The flight crew then requested the runway lights to be turned up, to which the controller replied that “they are at a 100% now”. The pilot requesting clearance to land then screaming “…oh shit! oh shit!,” before the transmission went silent. View Quote Mistook regular streets for the runway? |
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Quoted: Ok are all 3300+ posts you’ve made in 8 months this detailed? I vote for an admin to change your screen name to Technical_Tammy View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: No it crashed... but what it didn't do is "explode" or "blow up" A bomb "explodes" A house filled with natural gas "explodes" An over pressured water heater "explodes" An aircraft hits the ground, fuel tanks rupture spraying fuel, which ignites into flames But it doesn't "explode" Ok are all 3300+ posts you’ve made in 8 months this detailed? I vote for an admin to change your screen name to Technical_Tammy He's the only member that argues with himself in the mirror every morning, just to practice. |
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