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Posted: 1/12/2023 11:36:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/12/2023 11:45:23 PM EDT
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What fucking timeline are we living in?
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Posted: 1/13/2023 12:15:40 AM EDT
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Someone want to explain the Admin post? I'm a bit 'tarded about this stuff at times.
 
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Posted: 1/13/2023 12:31:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Someone want to explain the Admin post? I'm a bit 'tarded about this stuff at times. The way I took it is that A.R. is making the joke that he posted himself in German gear and now someone doesn't like him for it. This style of joke is typically used when someone says "oh, just be yourself - you're among friends - we won't judge"; and you post something so extreme that you're shunned by the "group" Much like the Karl the Cuck jab, it seems real plausible this is a dig at a very certain subset of people. The kind of people who say things like "The 2nd Amendment is for everyone" - and then immediately call someone in German garb a fascist Trump voting repug chud if they're not shilling satan, rainbows, grooming, and alphabet people |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 4:47:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm OK with my being quoted, but "paraphrasing" my comments is BS. It's remarkable how some very few Members here (myself included) have to undergo personal attacks in order to simply stand up for common and longstanding "innocent until proven guilty" procedure. I've been to Salem, MA, where Witches were condemned on scant evidence. Sorry to see it happen here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Paraphrasing is a useful tool to get a point across. Quite being pedantically retarded. It's remarkable how some very few Members here (myself included) have to undergo personal attacks in order to simply stand up for common and longstanding "innocent until proven guilty" procedure. I've been to Salem, MA, where Witches were condemned on scant evidence. Sorry to see it happen here. JFC get over yourself. Stop derailing and making this entire thread about yourself. |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 9:30:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Scant evidence? I was a fan of them too, but the evidence presented here is overwhelming and has convince me of Karl/Ian (and their commie/antifa friends) guilt. I really didn't want to believe that Ian could be a part of this as well, but I'm not going to kid myself. Until Ian announces that he is in no way connected with Karl for said reasons, then screw him. Why would I give him my time and money/support? I'll assume Ian is friends of Karl without having the same views. I had lefty friends once, not like Karl but still. That said I'm not inclined to support Ian financially since I have a window of doubt. |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 9:37:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well not quite "child sacrifice" but indulge me as I moved towards this point. That's Karl, a Minister in the Satanic Temple, last month at the "All Souls Procession" in Tuscon. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/161929/karl21_png-2669046.JPG I'm not posting all the signs remembering people who died from drug overdose, or while crossing the border. What I didn't see was any signs about the souls lost to abortion. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/161929/karl22_png-2669047.JPG That's because while it is not a "sacrifice", the Satanic Temple does have an "abortion ritual". Article on the Satanic Temple using abortion rituals. Just a bonus, from the TSP website: "FETAL BURIAL RULES Both Indiana and Arkansas have successfully passed laws requiring health care facilities to bury or cremate fetal remains from spontaneous or induced abortion or ectopic pregnancy regardless of their patients’ wishes. This clearly constitutes a violation of the long-established domain of religious entities to handle the remains of the deceased. TST asserts its religious right to treat human tissue as medical waste." Karl can worship however he wants. He's says he is a satinist and he is a minister. Freedom of religion, I get it. But if we wanna delve into the Satanic Temple, it really seems to be designed for anarchists who also at least have nihilist tendencies. We can look at what goes on there in some of the publicly accessible information that is out there. Mental illness. |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 9:38:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll assume Ian is friends of Karl without having the same views. I had lefty friends once, not like Karl but still. That said I'm not inclined to support Ian financially since I have a window of doubt. Can you be friends with a person that vehemently supports drag shows for children and considers you a racist? |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 10:11:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: JFC get over yourself. Stop derailing and making this entire thread about yourself. Dude, that's like the textbook definition of a leftist. |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 10:19:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you be friends with a person that vehemently supports drag shows for children and considers you a racist? If they think you are racist, that means they hate you and there is no way of being friends. I've had friends who drifted apart, you might over look things to try to maintain friendship. Depending on how far they drift. Some of Karl's stuff is so over the line it is hard to see how he could function in a typical NRA Highpower type match event, etc. In my experience there are a lot of crusty old guys, often military, who are not the least bit PC and would trigger the fuck out of snowflakes. But here he is having fantasies of persecution of gays, etc. |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 10:44:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The way I took it is that A.R. is making the joke that he posted himself in German gear and now someone doesn't like him for it. This style of joke is typically used when someone says "oh, just be yourself - you're among friends - we won't judge"; and you post something so extreme that you're shunned by the "group" Much like the Karl the Cuck jab, it seems real plausible this is a dig at a very certain subset of people. The kind of people who say things like "The 2nd Amendment is for everyone" - and then immediately call someone in German garb a fascist Trump voting repug chud if they're not shilling satan, rainbows, grooming, and alphabet people Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Someone want to explain the Admin post? I'm a bit 'tarded about this stuff at times. The way I took it is that A.R. is making the joke that he posted himself in German gear and now someone doesn't like him for it. This style of joke is typically used when someone says "oh, just be yourself - you're among friends - we won't judge"; and you post something so extreme that you're shunned by the "group" Much like the Karl the Cuck jab, it seems real plausible this is a dig at a very certain subset of people. The kind of people who say things like "The 2nd Amendment is for everyone" - and then immediately call someone in German garb a fascist Trump voting repug chud if they're not shilling satan, rainbows, grooming, and alphabet people |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 4:55:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Depending on how far they drift. Some of Karl's stuff is so over the line it is hard to see how he could function in a typical NRA Highpower type match event, etc. In my experience there are a lot of crusty old guys, often military, who are not the least bit PC and would trigger the fuck out of snowflakes. But here he is having fantasies of persecution of gays, etc. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 1:55:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: JFC get over yourself. Stop derailing and making this entire thread about yourself. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Paraphrasing is a useful tool to get a point across. Quite being pedantically retarded. It's remarkable how some very few Members here (myself included) have to undergo personal attacks in order to simply stand up for common and longstanding "innocent until proven guilty" procedure. I've been to Salem, MA, where Witches were condemned on scant evidence. Sorry to see it happen here. JFC get over yourself. Stop derailing and making this entire thread about yourself. If my doing so is "derailing" this thread, then so be it. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 1:58:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It seems to me that what you are actually complaining about is my suggesting that folks use common and longstanding rules of evidence and "fair play" in making their personal decisions about the individuals and companies mentioned in this thread who are being smeared. If my doing so is "derailing" this thread, then so be it. This just makes me want to use italics and “quotation marks” less in my own posts. Don’t take away my ellipses too… |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 2:17:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It seems to me that what you are actually complaining about is my suggesting that folks use common and longstanding rules of evidence and "fair play" in making their personal decisions about the individuals and companies mentioned in this thread who are being smeared. If my doing so is "derailing" this thread, then so be it. Most would be best served by simply ignoring your comments and staying focused on the actual topic of the thread. The interactions between you (you and the people responding to you) are serving as a major distraction within the thread |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 2:50:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most would be best served by simply ignoring your comments and staying focused on the actual topic of the thread. The interactions between you (you and the people responding to you) are serving as a major distraction within the thread They are keeping it active and at the top of the list though. raf threads never die. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 3:25:16 PM EDT
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I think this thread has been useful in exposing the peculiar beliefs and actions of Karl, as documented in his own words and actions.
I was unaware of much of this and appreciate the opportunity to learn about it. Aside from that, this thread has spread out into not-so-well documented/undocumented accusations of others. I don't apologize for pointing that out. Some posters seem to feel that asking for reasonable proof of allegations is some sort of "threat" to this thread. I don't apologize for that, either. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 6:46:37 PM EDT
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There have been numerous threads about Karl's antics, just in the time I've been here. There really is no question that he is a radical leftist.
The only real question ITT is whether Ian is too and just hides it well, or somehow manages to associate Karl without being one himself. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:08:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There have been numerous threads about Karl's antics, just in the time I've been here. There really is no question that he is a radical leftist. The only real question ITT is whether Ian is too and just hides it well, or somehow manages to associate Karl without being one himself. I'm more concerned with the types of violent left wing radicals KE is marketing to and arming. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:03:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think this thread has been useful in exposing the peculiar beliefs and actions of Karl, as documented in his own words and actions. I was unaware of much of this and appreciate the opportunity to learn about it. Aside from that, this thread has spread out into not-so-well documented/undocumented accusations of others. I don't apologize for pointing that out. Some posters seem to feel that asking for reasonable proof of allegations is some sort of "threat" to this thread. I don't apologize for that, either. You remind me of many northeasterners that I have met/know. They have position on a subject and just cannot move off that in spite of any and all evidence presented. They believe they are superior to other people and their opinion is correct because it is their opinion and not because of facts or evidence. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:45:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm more concerned with the types of violent left wing radicals KE is marketing to and arming. A fair point. Nobody wants to get yeeted by some furry genderqueer armed with one of those. They look like hammered shit. |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 1:12:38 AM EDT
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This is from November, when Karl appeared in a video Atun Shei made for his Nazi character "Klaus" resurrecting the Confederate Army of the Dead. Karl and Atun have cross posted content they have collaborated on. In this Karl plays a Maga Christian (of course) doing Kaus's bidding.
 Attached FileThis is Karl, in the MAGA hat and wearing a chick-fil-a t-shirt. You know because he really has a boner for conservatives and Christians and we literally do the bidding of the Nazi's. He makes the comment after they force their way into the cemetery or mausoleum "I'm uncomfortable with this Voodoo ritual, it doesn't feel very Christian to me.". Not sure if he is monetized, so I will leave the link cold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1vLJ1Z5J But lets again look at what was said and who was saying it. In the Youtube comments for the video we have:  Attached FileLets make Karl's comments a meme and Atun agrees. Several responses later:  Attached FileHey let's go look at that twitter:  Attached FileSo the Socialist Rifle Association made the meme and posted it and Karl took the time to thank the Socialist Rifle Association for posting it. For a guy who talks a lot about hate and marginalized people, he sure seems to like to insult Christians and people on the right. What a good little anarchist. |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 11:42:57 AM EDT
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Thanks floridacop for bringing this to our attention, my hat is off to you sir!
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Posted: 1/15/2023 1:45:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is from November, when Karl appeared in a video Atun Shei made for his Nazi character "Klaus" resurrecting the Confederate Army of the Dead. Karl and Atun have cross posted content they have collaborated on. In this Karl plays a Maga Christian (of course) doing Kaus's bidding. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/161929/karl23_png-2672616.JPG This is Karl, in the MAGA hat and wearing a chick-fil-a t-shirt. You know because he really has a boner for conservatives and Christians and we literally do the bidding of the Nazi's. He makes the comment after they force their way into the cemetery or mausoleum "I'm uncomfortable with this Voodoo ritual, it doesn't feel very Christian to me.". Not sure if he is monetized, so I will leave the link cold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1vLJ1Z5J But lets again look at what was said and who was saying it. In the Youtube comments for the video we have: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/161929/karl24_png-2672675.JPG Lets make Karl's comments a meme and Atun agrees. Several responses later: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/161929/karl26_png-2672676.JPG Hey let's go look at that twitter: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/161929/karl27_png-2672679.JPG So the Socialist Rifle Association made the meme and posted it and Karl took the time to thank the Socialist Rifle Association for posting it. For a guy who talks a lot about hate and marginalized people, he sure seems to like to insult Christians and people on the right. What a good little anarchist. |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 4:54:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks floridacop for bringing this to our attention, my hat is off to you sir!  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 5:36:07 PM EDT
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Again, look at what he retweets.
Thank you for your service Karl.  Attached FileHow Brownells thinks partnering with him is good is beyond me. |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 6:18:23 PM EDT
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Appreciate those of you who did the digging to point this out.
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Posted: 1/16/2023 3:56:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What are you going on about? There has been more that a reasonable amount of documentation presented. All of it post/said online by the individuals themselves. Seriously, you have some sort of issue. You remind me of many northeasterners that I have met/know. They have position on a subject and just cannot move off that in spite of any and all evidence presented. They believe they are superior to other people and their opinion is correct because it is their opinion and not because of facts or evidence. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think this thread has been useful in exposing the peculiar beliefs and actions of Karl, as documented in his own words and actions. I was unaware of much of this and appreciate the opportunity to learn about it. Aside from that, this thread has spread out into not-so-well documented/undocumented accusations of others. I don't apologize for pointing that out. Some posters seem to feel that asking for reasonable proof of allegations is some sort of "threat" to this thread. I don't apologize for that, either. You remind me of many northeasterners that I have met/know. They have position on a subject and just cannot move off that in spite of any and all evidence presented. They believe they are superior to other people and their opinion is correct because it is their opinion and not because of facts or evidence. Ignoring the personal attacks against me, you paint with far too wide a brush, with your deliberately insulting comments concerning "many northeasterners". There's wide spectrum of opinion here. Just ask an "Up-State" person from NY how they detest being "ruled" by the folks "Down-State". Ask the many folks who packed the RI State House (myself often amongst them) to protest proposed Anti-Gun laws. I've been very clear how this thread has educated me (and likely others) about Karl, and I've been very clear in my condemning Karl for his actions and explicitly made statements. Other folks mentioned in this thread have not yet made similar self-condemning statements, nor have they made similar self-condemning actions--AFAIK. Guilt by association has never been considered as valid proof in any modern court, although the people in old-time Salem, MA might have used the concept in their Witch Trials. In this thread, I've been asking for reasonable evidence against other folks and business that some folks find objectionable, mostly by reason of "guilt by association". In the event reasonable and solid evidence is produced against such folks/businesses, I reserve the right to change my mind--have always said so. So far, I've seen nothing against them anywhere near what Karl has provided against himself. Keeping an open mind. |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 4:51:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ignoring the personal attacks against me, you paint with far too wide a brush, with your deliberately insulting comments concerning "many northeasterners". There's wide spectrum of opinion here. Just ask an "Up-State" person from NY how they detest being "ruled" by the folks "Down-State". Ask the many folks who packed the RI State House (myself often amongst them) to protest proposed Anti-Gun laws. I've been very clear how this thread has educated me (and likely others) about Karl, and I've been very clear in my condemning Karl for his actions and explicitly made statements. Other folks mentioned in this thread have not yet made similar self-condemning statements, nor have they made similar self-condemning actions--AFAIK. Guilt by association has never been considered as valid proof in any modern court, although the people in old-time Salem, MA might have used the concept in their Witch Trials. In this thread, I've been asking for reasonable evidence against other folks and business that some folks find objectionable, mostly by reason of "guilt by association". In the event reasonable and solid evidence is produced against such folks/businesses, I reserve the right to change my mind--have always said so. So far, I've seen nothing against them anywhere near what Karl has provided against himself. Keeping an open mind. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think this thread has been useful in exposing the peculiar beliefs and actions of Karl, as documented in his own words and actions. I was unaware of much of this and appreciate the opportunity to learn about it. Aside from that, this thread has spread out into not-so-well documented/undocumented accusations of others. I don't apologize for pointing that out. Some posters seem to feel that asking for reasonable proof of allegations is some sort of "threat" to this thread. I don't apologize for that, either. You remind me of many northeasterners that I have met/know. They have position on a subject and just cannot move off that in spite of any and all evidence presented. They believe they are superior to other people and their opinion is correct because it is their opinion and not because of facts or evidence. Ignoring the personal attacks against me, you paint with far too wide a brush, with your deliberately insulting comments concerning "many northeasterners". There's wide spectrum of opinion here. Just ask an "Up-State" person from NY how they detest being "ruled" by the folks "Down-State". Ask the many folks who packed the RI State House (myself often amongst them) to protest proposed Anti-Gun laws. I've been very clear how this thread has educated me (and likely others) about Karl, and I've been very clear in my condemning Karl for his actions and explicitly made statements. Other folks mentioned in this thread have not yet made similar self-condemning statements, nor have they made similar self-condemning actions--AFAIK. Guilt by association has never been considered as valid proof in any modern court, although the people in old-time Salem, MA might have used the concept in their Witch Trials. In this thread, I've been asking for reasonable evidence against other folks and business that some folks find objectionable, mostly by reason of "guilt by association". In the event reasonable and solid evidence is produced against such folks/businesses, I reserve the right to change my mind--have always said so. So far, I've seen nothing against them anywhere near what Karl has provided against himself. Keeping an open mind. What do you think of people who are friends with pedophiles and adamantly defend said pedophiles' pedophile behavior? |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 4:59:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do you think of people who are friends with pedophiles and adamantly defend said pedophiles' pedophile behavior? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think this thread has been useful in exposing the peculiar beliefs and actions of Karl, as documented in his own words and actions. I was unaware of much of this and appreciate the opportunity to learn about it. Aside from that, this thread has spread out into not-so-well documented/undocumented accusations of others. I don't apologize for pointing that out. Some posters seem to feel that asking for reasonable proof of allegations is some sort of "threat" to this thread. I don't apologize for that, either. You remind me of many northeasterners that I have met/know. They have position on a subject and just cannot move off that in spite of any and all evidence presented. They believe they are superior to other people and their opinion is correct because it is their opinion and not because of facts or evidence. Ignoring the personal attacks against me, you paint with far too wide a brush, with your deliberately insulting comments concerning "many northeasterners". There's wide spectrum of opinion here. Just ask an "Up-State" person from NY how they detest being "ruled" by the folks "Down-State". Ask the many folks who packed the RI State House (myself often amongst them) to protest proposed Anti-Gun laws. I've been very clear how this thread has educated me (and likely others) about Karl, and I've been very clear in my condemning Karl for his actions and explicitly made statements. Other folks mentioned in this thread have not yet made similar self-condemning statements, nor have they made similar self-condemning actions--AFAIK. Guilt by association has never been considered as valid proof in any modern court, although the people in old-time Salem, MA might have used the concept in their Witch Trials. In this thread, I've been asking for reasonable evidence against other folks and business that some folks find objectionable, mostly by reason of "guilt by association". In the event reasonable and solid evidence is produced against such folks/businesses, I reserve the right to change my mind--have always said so. So far, I've seen nothing against them anywhere near what Karl has provided against himself. Keeping an open mind. What do you think of people who are friends with pedophiles and adamantly defend said pedophiles' pedophile behavior? I've condemned Karl for his explicit comments and actions. Guilt by association is inadequate. Show me guilt by personal conduct/statements, please. Same sort of proof that we would ALL demand in a modern Court of Law. |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 5:01:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Again, look at what he retweets. Thank you for your service Karl. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/161929/IRTweet1_png-2673316.JPG How Brownells thinks partnering with him is good is beyond me. Demonstrably, this retweet is well within the rhetoric espoused by Populist Right commentators for the past two years. |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 5:06:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I condemn pedophiles. Show me how other folks are demonstrably pedos, and I'll condemn them, too. Guilt by association is inadequate. Show me guilt by personal conduct, please. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think this thread has been useful in exposing the peculiar beliefs and actions of Karl, as documented in his own words and actions. I was unaware of much of this and appreciate the opportunity to learn about it. Aside from that, this thread has spread out into not-so-well documented/undocumented accusations of others. I don't apologize for pointing that out. Some posters seem to feel that asking for reasonable proof of allegations is some sort of "threat" to this thread. I don't apologize for that, either. You remind me of many northeasterners that I have met/know. They have position on a subject and just cannot move off that in spite of any and all evidence presented. They believe they are superior to other people and their opinion is correct because it is their opinion and not because of facts or evidence. Ignoring the personal attacks against me, you paint with far too wide a brush, with your deliberately insulting comments concerning "many northeasterners". There's wide spectrum of opinion here. Just ask an "Up-State" person from NY how they detest being "ruled" by the folks "Down-State". Ask the many folks who packed the RI State House (myself often amongst them) to protest proposed Anti-Gun laws. I've been very clear how this thread has educated me (and likely others) about Karl, and I've been very clear in my condemning Karl for his actions and explicitly made statements. Other folks mentioned in this thread have not yet made similar self-condemning statements, nor have they made similar self-condemning actions--AFAIK. Guilt by association has never been considered as valid proof in any modern court, although the people in old-time Salem, MA might have used the concept in their Witch Trials. In this thread, I've been asking for reasonable evidence against other folks and business that some folks find objectionable, mostly by reason of "guilt by association". In the event reasonable and solid evidence is produced against such folks/businesses, I reserve the right to change my mind--have always said so. So far, I've seen nothing against them anywhere near what Karl has provided against himself. Keeping an open mind. What do you think of people who are friends with pedophiles and adamantly defend said pedophiles' pedophile behavior? Guilt by association is inadequate. Show me guilt by personal conduct, please. What about the people who defend known pedophiles? What do you think of them? |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 5:08:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I condemn pedophiles. Show me how other folks are demonstrably pedos, and I'll condemn them, too. Guilt by association is inadequate. Show me guilt by personal conduct, please. Thank you Mr. Contortionist in helping keep this thread alive. 
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Posted: 1/16/2023 5:16:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you Mr. Contortionist in helping keep this thread alive. YourQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I condemn pedophiles. Show me how other folks are demonstrably pedos, and I'll condemn them, too. Guilt by association is inadequate. Show me guilt by personal conduct, please. Thank you Mr. Contortionist in helping keep this thread alive. Your |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 5:22:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I condemn pedophiles. Show me how other folks are demonstrably pedos, and I'll condemn them, too. I've condemned Karl for his explicit comments and actions. Guilt by association is inadequate. Show me guilt by personal conduct/statements, please. Same sort of proof that we would ALL demand in a modern Court of Law. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think this thread has been useful in exposing the peculiar beliefs and actions of Karl, as documented in his own words and actions. I was unaware of much of this and appreciate the opportunity to learn about it. Aside from that, this thread has spread out into not-so-well documented/undocumented accusations of others. I don't apologize for pointing that out. Some posters seem to feel that asking for reasonable proof of allegations is some sort of "threat" to this thread. I don't apologize for that, either. You remind me of many northeasterners that I have met/know. They have position on a subject and just cannot move off that in spite of any and all evidence presented. They believe they are superior to other people and their opinion is correct because it is their opinion and not because of facts or evidence. Ignoring the personal attacks against me, you paint with far too wide a brush, with your deliberately insulting comments concerning "many northeasterners". There's wide spectrum of opinion here. Just ask an "Up-State" person from NY how they detest being "ruled" by the folks "Down-State". Ask the many folks who packed the RI State House (myself often amongst them) to protest proposed Anti-Gun laws. I've been very clear how this thread has educated me (and likely others) about Karl, and I've been very clear in my condemning Karl for his actions and explicitly made statements. Other folks mentioned in this thread have not yet made similar self-condemning statements, nor have they made similar self-condemning actions--AFAIK. Guilt by association has never been considered as valid proof in any modern court, although the people in old-time Salem, MA might have used the concept in their Witch Trials. In this thread, I've been asking for reasonable evidence against other folks and business that some folks find objectionable, mostly by reason of "guilt by association". In the event reasonable and solid evidence is produced against such folks/businesses, I reserve the right to change my mind--have always said so. So far, I've seen nothing against them anywhere near what Karl has provided against himself. Keeping an open mind. What do you think of people who are friends with pedophiles and adamantly defend said pedophiles' pedophile behavior? I've condemned Karl for his explicit comments and actions. Guilt by association is inadequate. Show me guilt by personal conduct/statements, please. Same sort of proof that we would ALL demand in a modern Court of Law. @raf What about the people who defend known pedophiles? What do you think of them? |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 5:29:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Demonstrably, this retweet is well within the rhetoric espoused by Populist Right commentators for the past two years. Demonstrate away then. |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 5:29:47 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I condemn pedophiles. Show me how other folks are demonstrably pedos, and I'll condemn them, too. I've condemned Karl for his explicit comments and actions. Guilt by association is inadequate. Show me guilt by personal conduct/statements, please. Same sort of proof that we would ALL demand in a modern Court of Law. Well, shit, I must not have been paying attention during the voir dire part of logging into ARFCOM. I didn't know I was going to be held to the same standards as a juror in a courtroom. I mistakenly thought this was a discussion forum, where I was able to make any decision I wanted with as little "evidence" as I determined necessary to make that decision. I didn't know there are evidentiary standards in the Court of Public Opinion. As always, no financial interest. |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 5:37:31 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is from November, when Karl appeared in a video Atun Shei made for his Nazi character "Klaus" resurrecting the Confederate Army of the Dead. Karl and Atun have cross posted content they have collaborated on. In this Karl plays a Maga Christian (of course) doing Kaus's bidding. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/161929/karl23_png-2672616.JPG This is Karl, in the MAGA hat and wearing a chick-fil-a t-shirt. You know because he really has a boner for conservatives and Christians and we literally do the bidding of the Nazi's. He makes the comment after they force their way into the cemetery or mausoleum "I'm uncomfortable with this Voodoo ritual, it doesn't feel very Christian to me.". Not sure if he is monetized, so I will leave the link cold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1vLJ1Z5J But lets again look at what was said and who was saying it. In the Youtube comments for the video we have: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/161929/karl24_png-2672675.JPG Lets make Karl's comments a meme and Atun agrees. Several responses later: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/161929/karl26_png-2672676.JPG Hey let's go look at that twitter: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/161929/karl27_png-2672679.JPG So the Socialist Rifle Association made the meme and posted it and Karl took the time to thank the Socialist Rifle Association for posting it. For a guy who talks a lot about hate and marginalized people, he sure seems to like to insult Christians and people on the right. What a good little anarchist. It isn’t funny or clever, just sad. |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 5:47:18 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A reoccurring theme seems to come up in the people he shares content with. I'll leave the link cold: https://services.satanicministry.com/archives/20210921/be-uncomfortable/ @floridacop https://archive.is/y0ihV Archive of said. ETA: wbm archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20210923145801/https://services.satanicministry.com/archives/20210921/be-uncomfortable/ Snippet from the archive: Led by: Minister Karl Kasarda
This video is a recording of the entire one-hour service led by Minister Karl Kasarda on Tuesday 21 September 2021, including the panel discussion with Ministers Penemue and Chalice Blythe. |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 5:48:47 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mental illness. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well not quite "child sacrifice" but indulge me as I moved towards this point. That's Karl, a Minister in the Satanic Temple, last month at the "All Souls Procession" in Tuscon. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/161929/karl21_png-2669046.JPG I'm not posting all the signs remembering people who died from drug overdose, or while crossing the border. What I didn't see was any signs about the souls lost to abortion. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/161929/karl22_png-2669047.JPG That's because while it is not a "sacrifice", the Satanic Temple does have an "abortion ritual". Article on the Satanic Temple using abortion rituals. Just a bonus, from the TSP website: "FETAL BURIAL RULES Both Indiana and Arkansas have successfully passed laws requiring health care facilities to bury or cremate fetal remains from spontaneous or induced abortion or ectopic pregnancy regardless of their patients’ wishes. This clearly constitutes a violation of the long-established domain of religious entities to handle the remains of the deceased. TST asserts its religious right to treat human tissue as medical waste." Karl can worship however he wants. He's says he is a satinist and he is a minister. Freedom of religion, I get it. But if we wanna delve into the Satanic Temple, it really seems to be designed for anarchists who also at least have nihilist tendencies. We can look at what goes on there in some of the publicly accessible information that is out there. Mental illness. No. Don't use the eupemisms. It's just plain old moral evil. |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 5:56:10 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @raf What about the people who defend known pedophiles? What do you think of them? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think this thread has been useful in exposing the peculiar beliefs and actions of Karl, as documented in his own words and actions. I was unaware of much of this and appreciate the opportunity to learn about it. Aside from that, this thread has spread out into not-so-well documented/undocumented accusations of others. I don't apologize for pointing that out. Some posters seem to feel that asking for reasonable proof of allegations is some sort of "threat" to this thread. I don't apologize for that, either. You remind me of many northeasterners that I have met/know. They have position on a subject and just cannot move off that in spite of any and all evidence presented. They believe they are superior to other people and their opinion is correct because it is their opinion and not because of facts or evidence. Ignoring the personal attacks against me, you paint with far too wide a brush, with your deliberately insulting comments concerning "many northeasterners". There's wide spectrum of opinion here. Just ask an "Up-State" person from NY how they detest being "ruled" by the folks "Down-State". Ask the many folks who packed the RI State House (myself often amongst them) to protest proposed Anti-Gun laws. I've been very clear how this thread has educated me (and likely others) about Karl, and I've been very clear in my condemning Karl for his actions and explicitly made statements. Other folks mentioned in this thread have not yet made similar self-condemning statements, nor have they made similar self-condemning actions--AFAIK. Guilt by association has never been considered as valid proof in any modern court, although the people in old-time Salem, MA might have used the concept in their Witch Trials. In this thread, I've been asking for reasonable evidence against other folks and business that some folks find objectionable, mostly by reason of "guilt by association". In the event reasonable and solid evidence is produced against such folks/businesses, I reserve the right to change my mind--have always said so. So far, I've seen nothing against them anywhere near what Karl has provided against himself. Keeping an open mind. What do you think of people who are friends with pedophiles and adamantly defend said pedophiles' pedophile behavior? I've condemned Karl for his explicit comments and actions. Guilt by association is inadequate. Show me guilt by personal conduct/statements, please. Same sort of proof that we would ALL demand in a modern Court of Law. @raf What about the people who defend known pedophiles? What do you think of them? Lawyers defending their clients? They will do their best to prevent their clients from being convicted/sentenced. That's their job, once hired. My personal opinion on Pedos is on record. Why my opinion on Pedos is "interesting" is another question; possibly an attempt to discredit me and my "evidence-based" position. All folks deserve full defense in Open Court in order to determine culpability. I submit that all folks also deserve similar evidence submitted in "Court of Public Opinion". |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 6:04:04 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lawyers defending their clients? They will do their best to prevent their clients from being convicted/sentenced. That's their job, once hired. ... and everyone else that's NOT a lawyer? |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 6:04:32 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lawyers defending their clients? They will do their best to prevent their clients from being convicted/sentenced. That's their job, once hired. My personal opinion on Pedos is on record. Why my opinion on Pedos is "interesting" is another question; likely an attempt to discredit me and my "evidence-based" position. All folks deserve full defense in Open Court in order to determine culpability. I submit that all folks also deserve similar evidence submitted in "Court pf Public Opinion" . In these trying times, we all thank you for your irrelevant and look at me behavior - but mostly; we thank you for once again entering the thread in your dutiful service to push it directly to the top of GD. |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 6:10:24 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lawyers defending their clients? They will do their best to prevent their clients from being convicted/sentenced. That's their job, once hired. My personal opinion on Pedos is on record. Why my opinion on Pedos is "interesting" is another question; possibly an attempt to discredit me and my "evidence-based" position. All folks deserve full defense in Open Court in order to determine culpability. I submit that all folks also deserve similar evidence submitted in "Court of Public Opinion". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think this thread has been useful in exposing the peculiar beliefs and actions of Karl, as documented in his own words and actions. I was unaware of much of this and appreciate the opportunity to learn about it. Aside from that, this thread has spread out into not-so-well documented/undocumented accusations of others. I don't apologize for pointing that out. Some posters seem to feel that asking for reasonable proof of allegations is some sort of "threat" to this thread. I don't apologize for that, either. You remind me of many northeasterners that I have met/know. They have position on a subject and just cannot move off that in spite of any and all evidence presented. They believe they are superior to other people and their opinion is correct because it is their opinion and not because of facts or evidence. Ignoring the personal attacks against me, you paint with far too wide a brush, with your deliberately insulting comments concerning "many northeasterners". There's wide spectrum of opinion here. Just ask an "Up-State" person from NY how they detest being "ruled" by the folks "Down-State". Ask the many folks who packed the RI State House (myself often amongst them) to protest proposed Anti-Gun laws. I've been very clear how this thread has educated me (and likely others) about Karl, and I've been very clear in my condemning Karl for his actions and explicitly made statements. Other folks mentioned in this thread have not yet made similar self-condemning statements, nor have they made similar self-condemning actions--AFAIK. Guilt by association has never been considered as valid proof in any modern court, although the people in old-time Salem, MA might have used the concept in their Witch Trials. In this thread, I've been asking for reasonable evidence against other folks and business that some folks find objectionable, mostly by reason of "guilt by association". In the event reasonable and solid evidence is produced against such folks/businesses, I reserve the right to change my mind--have always said so. So far, I've seen nothing against them anywhere near what Karl has provided against himself. Keeping an open mind. What do you think of people who are friends with pedophiles and adamantly defend said pedophiles' pedophile behavior? I've condemned Karl for his explicit comments and actions. Guilt by association is inadequate. Show me guilt by personal conduct/statements, please. Same sort of proof that we would ALL demand in a modern Court of Law. @raf What about the people who defend known pedophiles? What do you think of them? Lawyers defending their clients? They will do their best to prevent their clients from being convicted/sentenced. That's their job, once hired. My personal opinion on Pedos is on record. Why my opinion on Pedos is "interesting" is another question; possibly an attempt to discredit me and my "evidence-based" position. All folks deserve full defense in Open Court in order to determine culpability. I submit that all folks also deserve similar evidence submitted in "Court of Public Opinion". Not lawyers -- people who are friends with pedophiles and continue to defend their friends who are pedophiles. What do you think of them? @raf |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 6:29:46 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not lawyers -- people who are friends with pedophiles and continue to defend their friends who are pedophiles. What do you think of them? @raf Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think this thread has been useful in exposing the peculiar beliefs and actions of Karl, as documented in his own words and actions. I was unaware of much of this and appreciate the opportunity to learn about it. Aside from that, this thread has spread out into not-so-well documented/undocumented accusations of others. I don't apologize for pointing that out. Some posters seem to feel that asking for reasonable proof of allegations is some sort of "threat" to this thread. I don't apologize for that, either. You remind me of many northeasterners that I have met/know. They have position on a subject and just cannot move off that in spite of any and all evidence presented. They believe they are superior to other people and their opinion is correct because it is their opinion and not because of facts or evidence. Ignoring the personal attacks against me, you paint with far too wide a brush, with your deliberately insulting comments concerning "many northeasterners". There's wide spectrum of opinion here. Just ask an "Up-State" person from NY how they detest being "ruled" by the folks "Down-State". Ask the many folks who packed the RI State House (myself often amongst them) to protest proposed Anti-Gun laws. I've been very clear how this thread has educated me (and likely others) about Karl, and I've been very clear in my condemning Karl for his actions and explicitly made statements. Other folks mentioned in this thread have not yet made similar self-condemning statements, nor have they made similar self-condemning actions--AFAIK. Guilt by association has never been considered as valid proof in any modern court, although the people in old-time Salem, MA might have used the concept in their Witch Trials. In this thread, I've been asking for reasonable evidence against other folks and business that some folks find objectionable, mostly by reason of "guilt by association". In the event reasonable and solid evidence is produced against such folks/businesses, I reserve the right to change my mind--have always said so. So far, I've seen nothing against them anywhere near what Karl has provided against himself. Keeping an open mind. What do you think of people who are friends with pedophiles and adamantly defend said pedophiles' pedophile behavior? I've condemned Karl for his explicit comments and actions. Guilt by association is inadequate. Show me guilt by personal conduct/statements, please. Same sort of proof that we would ALL demand in a modern Court of Law. @raf What about the people who defend known pedophiles? What do you think of them? Lawyers defending their clients? They will do their best to prevent their clients from being convicted/sentenced. That's their job, once hired. My personal opinion on Pedos is on record. Why my opinion on Pedos is "interesting" is another question; possibly an attempt to discredit me and my "evidence-based" position. All folks deserve full defense in Open Court in order to determine culpability. I submit that all folks also deserve similar evidence submitted in "Court of Public Opinion". Not lawyers -- people who are friends with pedophiles and continue to defend their friends who are pedophiles. What do you think of them? @raf I've condemned Pedos before. I've condemned Karl before. Bring me reasonable and objective evidence of Pedo supporting comments on the part of others mentioned in this thread, and I'll re-evaluate my position. Until done so, it's a Witch Hunt, with Guilt-By-Association being fully in play. |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 6:33:58 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've condemned Pedos before. I've condemned Karl before. Bring me reasonable and objective evidence of Pedo supporting comments on the part of others mentioned in this thread, and I'll re-evaluate my position. Until done so, it's a Witch Hunt, with Guilt-By-Association being fully in play. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think this thread has been useful in exposing the peculiar beliefs and actions of Karl, as documented in his own words and actions. I was unaware of much of this and appreciate the opportunity to learn about it. Aside from that, this thread has spread out into not-so-well documented/undocumented accusations of others. I don't apologize for pointing that out. Some posters seem to feel that asking for reasonable proof of allegations is some sort of "threat" to this thread. I don't apologize for that, either. You remind me of many northeasterners that I have met/know. They have position on a subject and just cannot move off that in spite of any and all evidence presented. They believe they are superior to other people and their opinion is correct because it is their opinion and not because of facts or evidence. Ignoring the personal attacks against me, you paint with far too wide a brush, with your deliberately insulting comments concerning "many northeasterners". There's wide spectrum of opinion here. Just ask an "Up-State" person from NY how they detest being "ruled" by the folks "Down-State". Ask the many folks who packed the RI State House (myself often amongst them) to protest proposed Anti-Gun laws. I've been very clear how this thread has educated me (and likely others) about Karl, and I've been very clear in my condemning Karl for his actions and explicitly made statements. Other folks mentioned in this thread have not yet made similar self-condemning statements, nor have they made similar self-condemning actions--AFAIK. Guilt by association has never been considered as valid proof in any modern court, although the people in old-time Salem, MA might have used the concept in their Witch Trials. In this thread, I've been asking for reasonable evidence against other folks and business that some folks find objectionable, mostly by reason of "guilt by association". In the event reasonable and solid evidence is produced against such folks/businesses, I reserve the right to change my mind--have always said so. So far, I've seen nothing against them anywhere near what Karl has provided against himself. Keeping an open mind. What do you think of people who are friends with pedophiles and adamantly defend said pedophiles' pedophile behavior? I've condemned Karl for his explicit comments and actions. Guilt by association is inadequate. Show me guilt by personal conduct/statements, please. Same sort of proof that we would ALL demand in a modern Court of Law. @raf What about the people who defend known pedophiles? What do you think of them? Lawyers defending their clients? They will do their best to prevent their clients from being convicted/sentenced. That's their job, once hired. My personal opinion on Pedos is on record. Why my opinion on Pedos is "interesting" is another question; possibly an attempt to discredit me and my "evidence-based" position. All folks deserve full defense in Open Court in order to determine culpability. I submit that all folks also deserve similar evidence submitted in "Court of Public Opinion". Not lawyers -- people who are friends with pedophiles and continue to defend their friends who are pedophiles. What do you think of them? @raf I've condemned Pedos before. I've condemned Karl before. Bring me reasonable and objective evidence of Pedo supporting comments on the part of others mentioned in this thread, and I'll re-evaluate my position. Until done so, it's a Witch Hunt, with Guilt-By-Association being fully in play. This is a thought experiment. Not specifically about anyone involved being a pedophile. What do you think of people who support pedophiles? Would you condemn them? |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 6:47:11 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a thought experiment. Not specifically about anyone involved being a pedophile. What do you think of people who support pedophiles? Would you condemn them? Ask a direct question, please. It's "interesting" that my "innocent until proven guilty" position is somehow "threatening" to some other posters |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 6:53:28 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Asking a direct question is always better than multi-quoting past posts. Ask a direct question, please. It's "interesting" that my "innocent until proven guilty" position is somehow "threatening" to some other posters Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is a thought experiment. Not specifically about anyone involved being a pedophile. What do you think of people who support pedophiles? Would you condemn them? Ask a direct question, please. It's "interesting" that my "innocent until proven guilty" position is somehow "threatening" to some other posters The question is relevant for the conversation in the quoted posts, and it shows the context of the conversation to readers, and that I'm directly addressing the person quoted. I've asked a direct question at least 3 times without a direct answer. Here's attempt #4. Direct question: Would you condemn someone who is friends with a pedophile and continuously defends said pedophile? Please provide a direct answer. |
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Posted: 1/16/2023 6:55:10 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is from November, when Karl appeared in a video Atun Shei made for his Nazi character "Klaus" resurrecting the Confederate Army of the Dead. Karl and Atun have cross posted content they have collaborated on. In this Karl plays a Maga Christian (of course) doing Kaus's bidding. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/161929/karl23_png-2672616.JPG This is Karl, in the MAGA hat and wearing a chick-fil-a t-shirt. You know because he really has a boner for conservatives and Christians and we literally do the bidding of the Nazi's. He makes the comment after they force their way into the cemetery or mausoleum "I'm uncomfortable with this Voodoo ritual, it doesn't feel very Christian to me.". Not sure if he is monetized, so I will leave the link cold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1vLJ1Z5J But lets again look at what was said and who was saying it. In the Youtube comments for the video we have: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/161929/karl24_png-2672675.JPG Lets make Karl's comments a meme and Atun agrees. Several responses later: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/161929/karl26_png-2672676.JPG Hey let's go look at that twitter: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/161929/karl27_png-2672679.JPG So the Socialist Rifle Association made the meme and posted it and Karl took the time to thank the Socialist Rifle Association for posting it. For a guy who talks a lot about hate and marginalized people, he sure seems to like to insult Christians and people on the right. What a good little anarchist. just a couple of buds 
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Posted: 1/16/2023 7:15:58 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The question is relevant for the conversation in the quoted posts, and it shows the context of the conversation to readers, and that I'm directly addressing the person quoted. I've asked a direct question at least 3 times without a direct answer. Here's attempt #4. Direct question: Would you condemn someone who is friends with a pedophile and continuously defends said pedophile? Please provide a direct answer. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is a thought experiment. Not specifically about anyone involved being a pedophile. What do you think of people who support pedophiles? Would you condemn them? Ask a direct question, please. It's "interesting" that my "innocent until proven guilty" position is somehow "threatening" to some other posters The question is relevant for the conversation in the quoted posts, and it shows the context of the conversation to readers, and that I'm directly addressing the person quoted. I've asked a direct question at least 3 times without a direct answer. Here's attempt #4. Direct question: Would you condemn someone who is friends with a pedophile and continuously defends said pedophile? Please provide a direct answer. Give me direct evidence on the part of the "accused" and I will evaluate it. I condemn any and all Pedos, period. Said so many times before. |
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