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Posted: 7/24/2017 5:19:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat is a man who doesn't give a shit if he dies.
He damn near bounced his head off the rocks a few times. |
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Posted: 7/24/2017 5:21:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/24/2017 6:13:30 PM EDT
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It is a US highway in a remote area. Sometimes people need to get where the road goes... And the only vehicles I ever got stuck behind on the dragon were Harleys. Even in my cclb pickup truck, the made me ragey with their slowness. |
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Posted: 7/24/2017 6:15:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/24/2017 6:31:56 PM EDT
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I guess people want to identify with something. It's why people wear band t-shirts or sports team hats or Star Trek uniforms. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Its something I've never understood. The only Harley Davidson brand Harley Davidson item I own is my bike. And I'm damn tempted to have someone paint over the name on the tank. |
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Posted: 7/24/2017 6:38:40 PM EDT
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Harley hate threads aren't until Thursday |
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Posted: 7/24/2017 7:30:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/24/2017 7:39:09 PM EDT
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I got a nasty head shake once on my Suzuki GS500 when the front fork really needed some work. A rough patch of road started it and the handlebars started flinging back and forth and I just loosely held on and backed off the gas until it sorted itself out.
Happy as hell it didn't happy to me in a corner. |
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Posted: 7/24/2017 7:57:39 PM EDT
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I think the real problem in that video is what kind of cunt drives a van on Tail of the Dragon? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/24/2017 7:59:05 PM EDT
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That has to be one of the most pathetic sad sack pussies on the planet. Leaving the scene of an accident because you're afraid of some fat guys on bikes? I hope that man choked himself and never gets laid ever. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Leaving the scene of an accident because you're afraid of some fat guys on bikes? I hope that man choked himself and never gets laid ever. |
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Posted: 7/24/2017 8:19:25 PM EDT
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That has to be one of the most pathetic sad sack pussies on the planet. Leaving the scene of an accident because you're afraid of some fat guys on bikes? I hope that man choked himself and never gets laid ever. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Leaving the scene of an accident because you're afraid of some fat guys on bikes? I hope that man choked himself and never gets laid ever. |
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Posted: 7/24/2017 8:33:08 PM EDT
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My nip bikes get death wobbles too, harmonics are a bitch
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Posted: 7/24/2017 9:17:09 PM EDT
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Why do you think they had duty to stay and assist? Looks like the biker played stupid games and won. I guess some folks lack that feature. |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 5:24:30 AM EDT
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LOL, what a stupid thing to say. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Besides, who's the bigger cunt: the guy passing on a blind curve with a cliff straight ahead of him...or the guy who successfully negotiated the blind curve and stayed on the road? |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 5:41:05 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/25/2017 6:14:26 AM EDT
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My nip bikes get death wobbles too, harmonics are a bitch Kawasaki settled a few lawsuits for it. |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 8:14:12 AM EDT
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Harley hate threads aren't until Thursday Besides, I think there is a perfectly good BMW front fork failure thread to hold us over until then. |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 8:20:54 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/25/2017 8:21:02 AM EDT
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This. Besides, I think there is a perfectly good BMW front fork failure thread to hold us over until then. Can we throw some final drive hate in there too? |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 8:24:52 AM EDT
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Can we throw some final drive hate in there too? 
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Posted: 7/25/2017 8:28:07 AM EDT
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Some people just don't seem to understand that different bikes, guns, cars...serve different purposes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because they're not sport bikes?  You don't ride them at 180+ and attack corners like a rice grinder.Sport bikes are about performance. If you want a touring bike then a goldwing or BMW k bike is a much better option. The problem is Harley riders like to deny the fact about why they really buy Harley's. But we know. |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 8:30:48 AM EDT
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I didn't see that one. Standard or telelever? Can we throw some final drive hate in there too? |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 8:31:00 AM EDT
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I didn't see that one. Standard or telelever? Can we throw some final drive hate in there too? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This. Besides, I think there is a perfectly good BMW front fork failure thread to hold us over until then. Can we throw some final drive hate in there too? |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 8:36:54 AM EDT
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I know that I'm wasting key strokes and bandwidth by even mentioning this, but here's some of the physics behind this.
https://spiral.imperial.ac.uk/bitstream/10044/1/4326/1/mbs_2004.pdf And now back to your regularly scheduled purse fight. 
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Posted: 7/25/2017 8:38:14 AM EDT
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My Honda commuter bike which detailed for around 8 is at 7k miles and running like a champ
Never was interested in the big chrome air cooled engine and potato potato potato engine sounds |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 8:49:05 AM EDT
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I know that I'm wasting key strokes and bandwidth by even mentioning this, but here's some of the physics behind this. https://spiral.imperial.ac.uk/bitstream/10044/1/4326/1/mbs_2004.pdf And now back to your regularly scheduled purse fight. |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 9:05:00 AM EDT
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What's the deal with the dingleberries on the bottom of the frame? They mitigate death wobble |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 9:17:32 AM EDT
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I remember reading a story a few years back of a guy getting tossed off of his bike by the death wobble. Said the thing sorted itself out just fine after pitching the rider and was found quite a distance down the road (like a mile). Makes you wonder how much the rider impacts the dynamics of it. I've always heard to let go of the bars and resist the urge to clamp up on the bike.
I've only experienced significant wobble once and it sorted itself out before I had a chance to think about doing anything about it. Still very unnerving. That was a Ducati. |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 9:41:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/25/2017 10:07:00 AM EDT
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The real only true way to stop head shake, is with a longer wheel base. On dirt bikes Honda CR's and then their CRF's have this issue, it's from to steep a head angle, since redoing the head angle is pretty much out, you can get away by lengthiness the wheel base by moving rear axle all the way out, and adding a steering stabilizer. Honda has pretty much alway had this problem, but to their credit they designed them to turn, and the shorter wheel base makes them cut like a laser. I would bet the same reason Harley does it, to increase low speed maneuverability? Let's face it, Harley's are in all aspects thought of as cruisers and not speed or handling bikes. |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 11:50:39 AM EDT
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Why is his wheel pointing the wrong way? His front wheel should be facing toward the left when making a high speed right turn. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Why is his wheel pointing the wrong way? His front wheel should be facing toward the left when making a high speed right turn. I've heard many times how strong you have to be to corner a Harley. |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 12:13:42 PM EDT
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No we understand, but also understand that Harley's are good at anything. Big, heavy, slow, and outdated. They are for looks and living a certain lifestyle. Sport bikes are about performance. If you want a touring bike then a goldwing or BMW k bike is a much better option. The problem is Harley riders like to deny the fact about why they really buy Harley's. But we know. History of style. |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 3:58:51 PM EDT
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Because he doesn't know how to ride (countersteer). I've heard many times how strong you have to be to corner a Harley. The issue here was not a lack of counter steering. But I think from the angle, current location and sparks we can deduce he's had a decision failure somewhere. |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 4:52:56 PM EDT
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The issue here was not a lack of counter steering. But I think from the angle, current location and sparks we can deduce he's had a decision failure somewhere. |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 8:22:17 PM EDT
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I really doubt Harleys have a steep enough head angle to cause head shake.....not have I ever consider a Harley a short wheelbase! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The real only true way to stop head shake, is with a longer wheel base. On dirt bikes Honda CR's and then their CRF's have this issue, it's from to steep a head angle, since redoing the head angle is pretty much out, you can get away by lengthiness the wheel base by moving rear axle all the way out, and adding a steering stabilizer. Honda has pretty much alway had this problem, but to their credit they designed them to turn, and the shorter wheel base makes them cut like a laser. I would bet the same reason Harley does it, to increase low speed maneuverability? Let's face it, Harley's are in all aspects thought of as cruisers and not speed or handling bikes. |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 8:44:53 PM EDT
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Your missing the point, if the head angle is to steep and the wheel base is to short, it will cause head shake. You have to factor bike weight, tire, wheel size, intended load as well as intended use. Just because the bike is long doesn't mean it's right, there are conscessions made all the time, Thoe one that is most likely true here, its making it a tad shorter than optimal is for the simple fact to keep its slow speed maneuverability as well as ride comfort. The weight on a Harley and allot of bikes of that style is more towards the rear which makes for a light front end, plus keeping the front lighter aids in wheeling them around. The trade off is high speed wobble, but as it's considered a slow speed cruiser, the trade of is worth it. |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 9:21:39 PM EDT
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I see you didn't address the pussies taking the film and their scared-ass comments. Let me guess, you run away from tubby men on Harleys, too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looked like there was plenty of help ambling around the scene. Either that or they were all looking for hamburgers. Let me guess, you run away from tubby men on Harleys, too. |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 9:28:21 PM EDT
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I see you didn't address the pussies taking the film and their scared-ass comments. Let me guess, you run away from tubby men on Harleys, too.
Not everyone can decipher the difference between a harley rider and a biker gang member. There are some harley riders who look close enough to biker gang members that soccer mom and uptight corporate dad can't tell which is which. If I can't tell, I'm not going to guess they aren't biker gang members.......risk reduction means assuming the worst.....not hoping for the best. I'm not commenting on any particular video.... |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 10:10:35 PM EDT
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Angry biker talking shit about people who had nothing to do with the idiot biker that drove himself off a cliff wonders why normal people in cars dont stop for idiot macho morons that dress like Hells Angels rejects. Ironic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looked like there was plenty of help ambling around the scene. Either that or they were all looking for hamburgers. Let me guess, you run away from tubby men on Harleys, too. |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 7:20:48 AM EDT
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If you ride the Twisties with a cruiser, you're eventually going to find out how far you can lean and what drags first. On a properly designed bike, it'll be the footpegs and they'll give so you don't wipe out. I found out on dyna wide glide, it's the mufflers. Fortunately I was only turning someahat slowly onto a highway onramp at the time. I also found out on a shadow 1100, it was the floorboards, and they don't give as much as the suspension squishes and the frame flexes. I almost wound up like the guy in the picture, but I was able to scrub enough speed to avoid getting hit or laucnhing off a cliff... Barely. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The issue here was not a lack of counter steering. But I think from the angle, current location and sparks we can deduce he's had a decision failure somewhere. Mostly and normally due to a series of decision failures, but most people don't have the experimental set to even realize they are approaching. Fewer still have any practical time pushing in a controlled environment (say at the track) and virtually no one seeks instruction or a qualified coach (not a buddy that's been riding 20 years). It's hard to learn, it's a lot more painful to learn through spontaneous failure. I've been lucky there. Spend some money get some training it may help save someone's ass - likely the rider. But virtually nobody will. Hell clear from this thread some have no clear understanding of the issue. Then again you can do everything right...and still buy it, or a small piece. As I said above, very difficult to replicate wobble/slappers so it's almost impossible to practice recoveries. Who the hell would want to. But there's actions prior to failure that will help you if it does. I'm looking to move the percentages in my direction. |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 7:43:16 AM EDT
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I had to tighten the steering head bearings to adjust the "fall away" on my Dyna at around 5k to tighten up the high speed shimmy. And along with the swingarm alignment there is a chassis alignment bolt up in the middle of the bike.
Get those right and mine rides like it's on a rail. |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 7:55:34 AM EDT
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The fucking Goldwing and Harley groups would always be the ones holding up Dragon traffic doing 5mph along the whole thing. Even the non sports cars would be going along ok. Good place to go to wear your tires out before you replace them. |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 8:45:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat guy is a pretty good rider and riding his Harley right at the edge. That said, I notice that the sportbike guy filming him is kind of loafing along and keeping up with him easily.
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Posted: 7/26/2017 8:17:29 PM EDT
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Your missing the point, if the head angle is to steep and the wheel base is to short, it will cause head shake. You have to factor bike weight, tire, wheel size, intended load as well as intended use. Just because the bike is long doesn't mean it's right, there are conscessions made all the time, Thoe one that is most likely true here, its making it a tad shorter than optimal is for the simple fact to keep its slow speed maneuverability as well as ride comfort. The weight on a Harley and allot of bikes of that style is more towards the rear which makes for a light front end, plus keeping the front lighter aids in wheeling them around. The trade off is high speed wobble, but as it's considered a slow speed cruiser, the trade of is worth it. First off, TRAIL (lack of) not rake is most responsible for headshake. Trail takes into account rake, fork length, tire diameter, etc etc. Wheelbase has a little impact, sure. Put 0 Trailon a suspension and you'll have headshake no matter what your wheelbase is! The same is not true of a short wheelbase. Perfect example is my SV650 (track bike), shorter forks and a taller shock resulted in occasional headshake on hard acceleration. I didn't touch my wheel base nor the rake, but my trail decreased noticeably! In your dirtbike example of moving the axle back is shifting the CG and putting more weight to the front wheel. In general, an aggressive handling bike is going to have some headshake under acceleration. That is why most modern sportbikes come factory with a steering damper. Anyways, that all is highspeed headshake... usually on hard acceleration causing the front wheel to unweight. Lots of the Harley complaints I've seen are as low as 35mph... which is too slow for trail or wheelbase to matter |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 9:00:58 PM EDT
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I don't have a head shake problem with my ST1300. However, there is a heavily grooved ramp at the west end of the US35 Xenia bypass that causes some instability. The tires will follow the grooves somewhat and the faster you go on the ramp the more the bike will shimmy. The speed limit is 65, 45 is the recommended speed around the curve, 70 seems to be a sweet spot for fun. The OSP often sits out of sight around the curve so any faster is not advisable. Maintain throttle, hold the bars loosely and let the bike have its head. I've had cars following me fairly closely and when the bike starts wobbling the cars start backing off especially when I'm leaned a bit in the curve. Best thing I've seen there was a cruiser of some sort riding on the berm at maybe 30 MPH in order to stay off the grooves as I sailed by giving him the motorcycle bro wave. I suppose if you did something really ham handed you could induce a tank slapper there.
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Posted: 7/27/2017 7:39:59 AM EDT
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It's finally Thursday!
Are we keeping this one going or will there be a new one started. |
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Posted: 7/27/2017 7:44:19 AM EDT
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Really serves as a testament to their target demographic. I mean, your money and all, but why? So edgy OP. Are you having a bad day? Is your Affliction shirt not tight enough? |
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