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Posted: 3/3/2023 6:55:52 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My original Nightforce had 1/8MOA adjustments. That is a lot of clicking. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:00:47 PM EDT
[#2]
Meh, either one will work fine if you do it right...I use MOA, why? because I am lucky to get my hunting buddys to even try learning the ins and outs of the only thing they know, let alone how to deal with MIL system...As for which is more accurate, meh, pretty equal ...Last 4th of July we hauled supplies in for hunting camp and spent some time shooting...Anyway at night my drunk buddy bet me I couldn't hit a can of beer on the top of the ridge...cold bore shot at 766 yards..Use what fits your circumstances best, and what you are comfortable with...
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:02:46 PM EDT
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No need to aim at all. Just walk it in. I think there is another thread out there today that explains this concept very well. I think I will get rid of all my red dots also.
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:07:37 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh I see how it is 
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:08:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh, either one will work fine if you do it right...I use MOA, why? because I am lucky to get my hunting buddys to even try learning the ins and outs of the only thing they know, let alone how to deal with MIL system...As for which is more accurate, meh, pretty equal ...Last 4th of July we hauled supplies in for hunting camp and spent some time shooting...Anyway at night my drunk buddy bet me I couldn't hit a can of beer on the top of the ridge...cold bore shot at 766 yards..Use what fits your circumstances best, and what you are comfortable with... I saw that video. 
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:10:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw that video. Could you do it? how many shots? I was surprised I did it actually..my buddy was even more surprised..
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:10:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh I see how it is https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/3x_-_2022-12-25T001652_733-2726479.gif Mils is better 
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:12:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Could you do it? how many shots? I was surprised I did it actually..my buddy was even more surprised.. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I saw that video. Could you do it? how many shots? I was surprised I did it actually..my buddy was even more surprised.. Hmmmm. Yes. But not on the first shot. I bet I could do it in 5 |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:15:53 PM EDT
[#9]
It's almost like no one in this thread has ever heard of a range finder or a kestrel
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:17:19 PM EDT
[#10]
1”/100yds … 1/1000….They’re both imperfect approximations.
Get good at both, it’s just math and angles/ratios. At least if you use real MOA it’s an integer based system. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:19:19 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's almost like no one in this thread has ever heard of a range finder or a kestrel Nothing says grayman like walking around with a kestrel 
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:20:52 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing says grayman like walking around with a kestrel kilo 2400.... 
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:20:54 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's almost like no one in this thread has ever heard of a range finder or a kestrel I dont need no stinkin bird! |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:21:53 PM EDT
[#14]
Yeah kestrel isn't very tactical
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:22:43 PM EDT
[#15]
You can't be dynamic with a kestrel
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:22:54 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: kilo 2400.... Sig now came out with the kilo 5K |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:23:38 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In basic we shot to 500 meters... it wasnt MILs or MOA on the m16a2... it was some weird elevation twist with distance... then when the ACOG was allowed for qual, thats a BDC... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Which branch of the military shoot the furthest in basic? Which do they use, MIL or MOA? Case closed. In basic we shot to 500 meters... it wasnt MILs or MOA on the m16a2... it was some weird elevation twist with distance... then when the ACOG was allowed for qual, thats a BDC... Marine snipers use MIL. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:23:45 PM EDT
[#18]
People who capitalize "mil", which is the abbreviation for "milliradian", really bring the dimma-dumb to this Dimma-Dome.
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:24:58 PM EDT
[#19]
I can think in inches/feet/yards/miles since that's what I am used to. MOA/MOA is not inferior to mils, just different. If I was used to meters/kilometers then I would prefer that style system. Some reticles are better in one or the other.
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:25:04 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sig now came out with the kilo 5K 10K now..mine works fine, so will run with it for now anyway.. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:26:20 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: MOA scopes with 1/4-MOA clicks adjust 0.26175 inches per click at 100-yards. MIL scopes with 1/10-MIL clicks adjust 0.36 inches per click at 100-yards. So MOA scopes offer finer adjustment and thus, higher accuracy. It's science  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sir please I am the most serious and technical poster here. My scientific claims survive peer review constantly MIL scopes with 1/10-MIL clicks adjust 0.36 inches per click at 100-yards. So MOA scopes offer finer adjustment and thus, higher accuracy. It's science Smaller teeth turning the dials will wear out faster than larger teeth. Science. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:27:52 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 3 blobs right eh some sort of wind FULL SEND  |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:28:25 PM EDT
[#23]
I like base-10 math so mils are my jam.
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:29:31 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Smaller teeth turning the dials will wear out faster than larger teeth. Science. Damn dude, just go shoot what you got/like...Both systems work, if one gets a hit being properly used, so will the other, if properly used..garbage in garbage out... |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:30:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: kilo 2400.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nothing says grayman like walking around with a kestrel kilo 2400.... That maybe counts as grayman at the country club.
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:32:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The gun number is just an approximation and doesn’t scale accurately, .3 at 300 doesn’t translate to 1.2 at 1200 and those nice round numbers are only applicable at one wind speed. What do you do when the wind goes from 5 to 8 mph? Or you miss with your 5mph wind call and have to shoot a different target at a different distance? That’s why I like the tremor, as long as you are shooting the same load the wind dots never change. Once I know the dots are 4mph I can shoot at any distance (with less than 10 mills of drop) in any wind speed, very quickly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What about wind specifically makes mils better? I'm of the opinion as long as the reticle matches the clicks, it doesn't really matter. You can get the speed of your gun (example of 5 MPH), and when the wind is that speed, your amount of hold is similar to the yard line... so a 5 MPH wind at 500 yards is .5 MILs... 300 yards at 5 MPH is .3 MILs... 10 MPH wind at 600 yards is 1.2 MILs The gun number is just an approximation and doesn’t scale accurately, .3 at 300 doesn’t translate to 1.2 at 1200 and those nice round numbers are only applicable at one wind speed. What do you do when the wind goes from 5 to 8 mph? Or you miss with your 5mph wind call and have to shoot a different target at a different distance? That’s why I like the tremor, as long as you are shooting the same load the wind dots never change. Once I know the dots are 4mph I can shoot at any distance (with less than 10 mills of drop) in any wind speed, very quickly. Besides that, the wind effect isn't purely linear and differs based on the projectile, MV, and other conditions. It's just an estimation. You just guess wind in multiples of 5mph and work off that assuming a linear progression. And this is the case regardless of whether you're using Mils or MOA. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:32:58 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You can't be dynamic with a kestrel You can’t be the ultimate dynamic of all ultra dynamic tactical dynamics without a GBRS hydra mount. Just wait until the magnified optic version is released to the public with a 66 MOA ultra dynamic Neptune spear angle. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:33:45 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: MILS, MOA, who cares? Dialing is for homos https://cdn.horusvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/TREMOR3-Poster.png  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:35:10 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 10K now..mine works fine, so will run with it for now anyway.. How is the glass on that? |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:35:41 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn dude, just go shoot what you got/like...Both systems work, if one gets a hit being properly used, so will the other, if properly used..garbage in garbage out... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Smaller teeth turning the dials will wear out faster than larger teeth. Science. Damn dude, just go shoot what you got/like...Both systems work, if one gets a hit being properly used, so will the other, if properly used..garbage in garbage out... This is a shit posting thread. I’m posting shit.
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:37:29 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Besides that, the wind effect isn't purely linear and differs based on the projectile, MV, and other conditions. It's just an estimation. You just guess wind in multiples of 5mph and work off that assuming a linear progression. And this is the case regardless of whether you're using Mils or MOA. That all goes into the MPH of the gun... "MPH gun" is just the saying, its more accurately as the MPH of that load in that gun. For my AR... its a 3 MPH gun out to 600 yards for my 69 gn RMR load... I can shoot further, but that doesnt happen often, and if it is happening, I can check what the wind speed bracket is at the further distances. For my rifles effective range though... its pretty damn spot on to say its a 3 MPH gun.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:46:05 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That maybe counts as grayman at the country club. good, it keeps me hid in the woods then... I didn't think I was gonna like it when I first got it..but love that little fucker...So much infoooooomation in one little device.... Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:46:30 PM EDT
[#33]
I learned on mil dots. Tried mils. Mil dots were so ingrained for me to use, I just couldn't make the cross over to mils.
Height of Target in inches (divided by 36) x 1000, divided by the number of mils. Is much easier for me to do. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:47:28 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Marine snipers use MIL. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Which branch of the military shoot the furthest in basic? Which do they use, MIL or MOA? Case closed. In basic we shot to 500 meters... it wasnt MILs or MOA on the m16a2... it was some weird elevation twist with distance... then when the ACOG was allowed for qual, thats a BDC... Marine snipers use MIL. Nope... MOC Minute Of Crayon |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:48:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:50:12 PM EDT
[#36]
Quoted: How is the glass on that? Not bad, its fixed 8...this is my iPhone 11 thru my phone scope for the RF...  Attached FileQuoted: This is a shit posting thread. I’m posting shit.  |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:51:57 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not bad, its fixed 8...this is my iPhone 11 thru my phone scope for the RF... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/404934/IMG_6759_jpeg-2732729.JPG I need a better range finder! |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:57:00 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I need a better range finder! the newer sig kilo 10K is supposed to be bad ass, I'll stick with this one for now..its so easy to use, small light, fun... Those pics up there go with this shot...the shot is 766 yards, thats how far the muzzle is in front of the camera...  Beer can 766 yards |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 8:01:01 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Burris Veracity PH laughs at all of you... https://www.varminter.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/2023-SHOT-Show-Burris-Optics-New-Products-Veracity-PH-Riflescope-2.jpg 550 Yards, dialed in: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/52158/20230210_125923-01-2732719.jpg Thats neat and everything, and would be cool to have in a blind..But my rifle from the brake to the pad is just shy of 54", Thats a lot of stuff to sling around and identify yourself with when ranging things..be worried animals would spot it...the RF is only 3x4x1 basically..Looks like a cool piece though..be fun to play with....
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Posted: 3/3/2023 8:02:55 PM EDT
[#40]
Wait until y’all find out that you can use mils and yards together.
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Posted: 3/3/2023 8:05:01 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You can’t be the ultimate dynamic of all ultra dynamic tactical dynamics without a GBRS hydra mount. Just wait until the magnified optic version is released to the public with a 66 MOA ultra dynamic Neptune spear angle. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You can't be dynamic with a kestrel You can’t be the ultimate dynamic of all ultra dynamic tactical dynamics without a GBRS hydra mount. Just wait until the magnified optic version is released to the public with a 66 MOA ultra dynamic Neptune spear angle. That's pretty handy in non permissive environments. Tactically speaking |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 8:11:45 PM EDT
[#42]
Meh.
MILs is where it is at. Leupold's PR2 is just about perfect. Not too busy but with enough hash marks to get the job done.  
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Posted: 3/3/2023 8:30:48 PM EDT
[#43]
MOA, mils, don’t care (prefer MOA because approx 1”/100y is pretty intuitive for me).
Busy reticules suck ass. Hate them. Christmas trees? Yuck. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 8:38:50 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: good, it keeps me hid in the woods then... I didn't think I was gonna like it when I first got it..but love that little fucker...So much infoooooomation in one little device....https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/404934/Screen_Shot_2022-07-13_at_7_55_18_AM_png-2732722.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/404934/Screen_Shot_2022-02-12_at_4_14_42_PM_png-2732726.JPG It pulls wind data too? |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 8:48:14 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait until y’all find out that you can use mils and yards together. Wait until they find out MOA isn’t an inch. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 8:49:51 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: October. Keystone in June though, that goes to 800 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 3 blobs right eh some sort of wind FULL SEND When CW east We need do some spearmintin October. Keystone in June though, that goes to 800  ...
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Posted: 3/3/2023 8:50:13 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait until they find out MOA isn’t an inch. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wait until y’all find out that you can use mils and yards together. Wait until they find out MOA isn’t an inch. Or that it isnt really the American optic cause you can get turrets in actual 1/4 inch adjustments. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 8:51:11 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm with ya OP, MOA for me |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 8:52:35 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Muh coreolis effect Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You live in ID. Can you honestly say you’ve ever been shooting and the wind wasn’t involved? Yes, the wind isnt always blowing here... And when it is, I can quickly estimate my wind holds :) Muh coreolis effect lol... |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 8:52:59 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 3 blobs right eh some sort of wind FULL SEND When CW east We need do some spearmintin October. Keystone in June though, that goes to 800 /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/bubbles_zps5bf5952f_GIF-110.gif... NW was 540. Thats... a jump but not 1000.
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