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Posted: 3/4/2023 2:21:37 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105862/20230304_111431-2733584.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105862/20230304_111238-2733583.jpg Welp, here toy go. My two main match rifles... I'm not digging out the others. @BMSMB  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 2:43:49 PM EDT
[#2]
PRS Blaster
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Posted: 3/4/2023 2:45:01 PM EDT
[#3]
MOA is like your retarded step-cousin. Sure she's ugly and terrible at everything
but we've all used her |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 2:49:56 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: MOA is like your retarded step-cousin. Sure she's ugly and terrible at everything but we've all used her Muh radians I'm going to make a scope in furlongs |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 3:06:38 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Spotter: “You’re about 7 inches high and 2.5 inches left at 500 yards”. Mil users: “Cool. Can you hand me my calculator?” MOA users: “Hit.” But really Mils is just relearning. I’m just stubborn and when things are called in inches it’s easier for me to not do any mathing. I really don’t see an issue with either. Why wouldn't they have a reticle in their spotting scope? Then the the reticle in the spotting scope could be used like a ruler to measure instead of taking wild ass guesses at how far the impacts were off? |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 3:08:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Muh radians I'm going to make a scope in furlongs Each click can be 0.005 degrees and we can use really, really sensitive compass's to dial in adjustments. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 3:13:46 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lets do one in degrees. Each click can be 0.005 degrees and we can use really, really sensitive compass's to dial in adjustments. Scaled down Excalibur. Guided bullets 
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Posted: 3/4/2023 3:29:45 PM EDT
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@AKSnowRider can you tell me about those crazy bronze pelt bullets?
I'm referring to the ones (as I recall): - Very effective - Very accurate - I think just one giant piece of lathed brass - For pelts - They stopped making them because people found out they were.... interesting |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 3:49:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @AKSnowRider can you tell me about those crazy bronze pelt bullets? I'm referring to the ones (as I recall): - Very effective - Very accurate - I think just one giant piece of lathed brass - For pelts - They stopped making them because people found out they were.... interesting These...  Attached FileThey are Barnes brass, smallest is 110 grains, largest is 220 grains, all 30 cal... they work good on fur bearers... |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 3:54:21 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think people arguing one way or the other should post their rifles... for science  I'll start https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/481792/Screenshot_20230304-094434_Gallery_jpg-2733530.JPG Sometimes, you just use what you use. Like when you have mis-matched turrets and shitty coffee, but it’s ok, because you still get paid.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 6:41:09 PM EDT
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I much prefer MOA since I'm an American and God fearing. However, I can operate in any system since I have a brain. I do have a mil scope since it was about $300 cheaper than the MOA version and a crazy deal. That's how they get you.
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Posted: 3/4/2023 6:43:59 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Spotter: “You’re about 7 inches high and 2.5 inches left at 500 yards”. Quote HistoryQuoted: Spotter: “You’re about 7 inches high and 2.5 inches left at 500 yards”. No. Both the format of this correction and the actual numbers give away that you don't have any idea what you are talking about. Mil users: “Cool. Can you hand me my calculator?” I would just come down and right about half a target. Maybe 1/4 target, depending on what it is. Imapact. MOA users: “Hit.” Fantasy. But really Mils is just relearning. I’m just stubborn and when things are called in inches it’s easier for me to not do any mathing. I really don’t see an issue with either. The only thing about this entire post that's true. Anyway, my next post will include a graphic explanation of how mills would actually be used. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 6:45:13 PM EDT
[#13]
I prefer MOA, because I am lazy and the mental math is easier for me to do.
Plus I don't shoot at really long ranges, FFP and MOA for the lazy in you. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 6:48:51 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ummm… you know this is a whiskers shit posting thread. What is or isn’t is doesn’t matter. Honestly a MOA tremor would work just as well. Ranging with the reticle is some 1970’s boomer shit. With a laser range finder and a ballistic calculator the units are pretty irrelevant. until the batteries in your range finder die or you break it on some rocks climbing up to get a shot at that 400" elk across the canyon. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 6:56:27 PM EDT
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Alright so let's say I decide a target is 500 yards away and I need to account for 15 mph wind, right to left. I look at my ballistic calculator and it tells me I need 3.3 mils up and 2.4 mils to the right. I dial the elevation, and hold like this:
 Attached FileWell, let's say I'm wrong. A spotter that is helping me would say: "Youre half a mil high, half a mil left" All I do is change my sight picture to:  Attached FileImpact. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 6:56:27 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No. Both the format of this correction and the actual numbers give away that you don't have any idea what you are talking about. I would just come down and right about half a target. Maybe 1/4 target, depending on what it is. Imapact. Fantasy. The only thing about this entire post that's true. Anyway, my next post will include a graphic explanation of how mills would actually be used. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Spotter: “You’re about 7 inches high and 2.5 inches left at 500 yards”. No. Both the format of this correction and the actual numbers give away that you don't have any idea what you are talking about. Mil users: “Cool. Can you hand me my calculator?” I would just come down and right about half a target. Maybe 1/4 target, depending on what it is. Imapact. MOA users: “Hit.” Fantasy. But really Mils is just relearning. I’m just stubborn and when things are called in inches it’s easier for me to not do any mathing. I really don’t see an issue with either. The only thing about this entire post that's true. Anyway, my next post will include a graphic explanation of how mills would actually be used. Bro my first time shooting to 800 was at Keystone and that's how my spotter called.  Look i get you have your match system set up, and it's the standard, and that's the language. But that's unironically how bros spotted for me and it worked. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 6:58:15 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bro my first time shooting to 800 was at Keystone and that's how my spotter called. Look i get you have your match system set up, and it's the standard, and that's the language. But that's unironically how bros spotted for me and it worked. There's wheel chair ramps in front of restaurants too but people who aren't handicapped just walk up the stairs. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:00:48 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bro my first time shooting to 800 was at Keystone and that's how my spotter called. Look i get you have your match system set up, and it's the standard, and that's the language. But that's unironically how bros spotted for me and it worked. Calling that way works for course corrections, and your correction is to hold the opposite of where he said you impacted (even though you shpuld hold more to try and get a center impact)... not figure out in MOA the correction and then dial, or find and hold it in the reticle... thats just Kentucky windage. The original scenario, where someone factors their measurement system into it is non-real scenario |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:02:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's wheel chair ramps in front of restaurants too but people who aren't handicapped just walk up the stairs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bro my first time shooting to 800 was at Keystone and that's how my spotter called. Look i get you have your match system set up, and it's the standard, and that's the language. But that's unironically how bros spotted for me and it worked. There's wheel chair ramps in front of restaurants too but people who aren't handicapped just walk up the stairs. Bro your weeb friend beitodesstrafe did it with a mis match shitpost rifle in a color actually named tactical grape with an acog that I don't think was even sighted in. That was fun. Your mil ramblings are gay. Also the kestrel is not tactically dynamic I would come to ur PRS matches with HE but I don't have my license. And you'll be like "MUH STRELOK SAYS 6.5 MILS" And I'll be like lmao check out this m203 hahaha ha THOOOOOMP |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:03:06 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Calling that way works for course corrections, and your correction is to hold the opposite of where he said you impacted... not figure out in MOA the correction and then dial, or find and hold it in the reticle... thats just Kentucky windage. The original scenario, where someone factors their measurement system into it is non-real scenario Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bro my first time shooting to 800 was at Keystone and that's how my spotter called. Look i get you have your match system set up, and it's the standard, and that's the language. But that's unironically how bros spotted for me and it worked. Calling that way works for course corrections, and your correction is to hold the opposite of where he said you impacted... not figure out in MOA the correction and then dial, or find and hold it in the reticle... thats just Kentucky windage. The original scenario, where someone factors their measurement system into it is non-real scenario I was about to bring up you could do that with a scope marked in anything |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:04:38 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was about to bring up you could do that with a scope marked in anything 100%... he wasnt arguing for mils... hes arguing against someone saying you were off by X inches... then translating it to your scopes measurements |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:04:46 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: until the batteries in your range finder die or you break it on some rocks climbing up to get a shot at that 400" elk across the canyon. Are you trying to say a shot at 400 yards on an elk? Yeah I'm just not going to take a shot at a live animal past 300 yards with a range estimate that has the amount of error you get ranging with a scope. Moa, mils, doesn't matter. You have the same problem, which is you don't know the actual size of the elk. You're just guessing. The trig problem is pretty easy, but if you are straight guessing the base of the triangle, it doesn't matter what units you measure the angle in, the height is really just a guess too. Taking shots like that is irresponsible. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:06:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bro your weeb friend beitodesstrafe did it with a mis match shitpost rifle in a color actually named tactical grape with an acog that I don't think was even sighted in. That was fun. Your mil ramblings are gay. Also the kestrel is not tactically dynamic I would come to ur PRS matches with HE but I don't have my license. And you'll be like "MUH STRELOK SAYS 6.5 MILS" And I'll be like lmao check out this m203 hahaha ha THOOOOOMP Your 203 can't reach any of the targets Drew puts out for the PRS matches at Bill's. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:08:44 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your 203 can't reach any of the targets Drew puts out for the PRS matches at Bill's. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bro your weeb friend beitodesstrafe did it with a mis match shitpost rifle in a color actually named tactical grape with an acog that I don't think was even sighted in. That was fun. Your mil ramblings are gay. Also the kestrel is not tactically dynamic I would come to ur PRS matches with HE but I don't have my license. And you'll be like "MUH STRELOK SAYS 6.5 MILS" And I'll be like lmao check out this m203 hahaha ha THOOOOOMP Your 203 can't reach any of the targets Drew puts out for the PRS matches at Bill's. >swaps out m203 for some sort of naval auto cannon |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:08:59 PM EDT
[#25]
Nothing personal kid
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:09:36 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your 203 can't reach any of the targets Drew puts out for the PRS matches at Bill's. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bro your weeb friend beitodesstrafe did it with a mis match shitpost rifle in a color actually named tactical grape with an acog that I don't think was even sighted in. That was fun. Your mil ramblings are gay. Also the kestrel is not tactically dynamic I would come to ur PRS matches with HE but I don't have my license. And you'll be like "MUH STRELOK SAYS 6.5 MILS" And I'll be like lmao check out this m203 hahaha ha THOOOOOMP Your 203 can't reach any of the targets Drew puts out for the PRS matches at Bill's. Also who cares if I hit 1000yds if I explode stuff |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:13:06 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: until the batteries in your range finder die or you break it on some rocks climbing up to get a shot at that 400" elk across the canyon. Is it that much trouble to write down the subtensions if what you plan to shoot ahead of time? Not like you’ll have time to whip out a calculator anyway and as you see in the below example. You’ll need a basic calculator. mils are 3.6” per 100 yards you can easily figure sizer based off that. Each 18” or 1.5’ is 5 mils at 100 precisely Example: 72” (6’ tall person) is 20 mils at 100 yards (2 mils at 1000 yards). yards times mils = 2000 for man size target This isn’t any harder than MOA. If your 72” man target subtends 30 MOA how many yards is that? The formula is 7200 = yards times MOA Also are you using true MOA or shooters MOA. That’s a 4.7% difference as 1 try MOA is not 1” at 100 yards. If I’m doing a quick zero at 100 yards with MIL. Using 3 clicks per inch is an 8% error (1.08” 3 tenth mil clicks at 100). Not much more than the 4.7% error in MOA |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:13:34 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Also who cares if I hit 1000yds if I explode stuff Because if you shoot a 203 at a target 1000 yards away the rounds will land about 550 yards short. The kill radius of a HEDP round is only 5.5 yards, and that's optimistic. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:13:59 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your 203 can't reach any of the targets Drew puts out for the PRS matches at Bill's. If I can make to to Keystone which is iffy this year for me, and you bring some metal I will let you use one of my Firepens and melt stuff. I don't think you will stop caring about mathematical calculations but I think you will have a better understanding of my position. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:14:27 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because if you shoot a 203 at a target 1000 yards away the rounds will land about 550 yards short. The kill radius of a HEDP round is only 5.5 yards, and that's optimistic. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Also who cares if I hit 1000yds if I explode stuff Because if you shoot a 203 at a target 1000 yards away the rounds will land about 550 yards short. The kill radius of a HEDP round is only 5.5 yards, and that's optimistic. Did you not see the naval cannon |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:15:05 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because if you shoot a 203 at a target 1000 yards away the rounds will land about 550 yards short. The kill radius of a HEDP round is only 5.5 yards, and that's optimistic. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Also who cares if I hit 1000yds if I explode stuff Because if you shoot a 203 at a target 1000 yards away the rounds will land about 550 yards short. The kill radius of a HEDP round is only 5.5 yards, and that's optimistic. Are you denying that an explosion will occur sir |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:37:27 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you denying that an explosion will occur sir I'm denying that it will be impressive. 40mm grenades dont do shit. Now, if its a 40mm Bofors that is a whole different affair. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:46:09 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm denying that it will be impressive. 40mm grenades dont do shit. Now, if its a 40mm Bofors that is a whole different affair. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Are you denying that an explosion will occur sir I'm denying that it will be impressive. 40mm grenades dont do shit. Now, if its a 40mm Bofors that is a whole different affair. Okay right but I am discussing bringing both and you're talking about like miliradians |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:46:42 PM EDT
[#34]
My naval gun will be in MOA because it doesn't matter to a computer
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:50:40 PM EDT
[#35]
Of course MOA is better. How else does your gun shoot sub 1”MOA? I see it on gun boards and in reviews on Fuddway USA so that must be how they are doing it. Probably used it in the sandbox too.
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:50:53 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My naval gun will be in MOA because it doesn't matter to a computer That's why the Navy wears upside down chevrons. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:51:03 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am only 290 pounds Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: But a 300lb basement dwelling neckbeard said metric is for losers I am only 290 pounds Dynamic tank of an operator you are |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:52:45 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryWhat calibre is that? Looks hot. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:54:03 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bro your weeb friend beitodesstrafe did it with a mis match shitpost rifle in a color actually named tactical grape with an acog that I don't think was even sighted in. That was fun. Your mil ramblings are gay. Also the kestrel is not tactically dynamic I would come to ur PRS matches with HE but I don't have my license. And you'll be like "MUH STRELOK SAYS 6.5 MILS" And I'll be like lmao check out this m203 hahaha ha THOOOOOMP Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bro my first time shooting to 800 was at Keystone and that's how my spotter called. Look i get you have your match system set up, and it's the standard, and that's the language. But that's unironically how bros spotted for me and it worked. There's wheel chair ramps in front of restaurants too but people who aren't handicapped just walk up the stairs. Bro your weeb friend beitodesstrafe did it with a mis match shitpost rifle in a color actually named tactical grape with an acog that I don't think was even sighted in. That was fun. Your mil ramblings are gay. Also the kestrel is not tactically dynamic I would come to ur PRS matches with HE but I don't have my license. And you'll be like "MUH STRELOK SAYS 6.5 MILS" And I'll be like lmao check out this m203 hahaha ha THOOOOOMP LOL |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:59:37 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dynamic tank of an operator you are Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: But a 300lb basement dwelling neckbeard said metric is for losers I am only 290 pounds Dynamic tank of an operator you are Yeah when we go operational it is pretty non permissive |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:59:46 PM EDT
[#41]
Pennsyltucky windage FTW!
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Posted: 3/4/2023 8:00:05 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pennsyltucky windage FTW! Based |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 8:07:06 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mil/mil https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/219476/Screenshot_20230207_203114_Gallery-2702600.jpg Cleared Cola NW with it. Mil/mil https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/219476/20180916_002358_jpg-773684.JPG Yep. Right there. Operator AF. MOA is for overweight deer-camp Fuddleys.  |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 8:09:15 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. Right there. Operator AF. MOA is for overweight deer-camp Fuddleys. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Mil/mil https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/219476/Screenshot_20230207_203114_Gallery-2702600.jpg Cleared Cola NW with it. Mil/mil https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/219476/20180916_002358_jpg-773684.JPG Yep. Right there. Operator AF. MOA is for overweight deer-camp Fuddleys.  Nothing personal pal |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 8:09:50 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What calibre is that? Looks hot. Quote HistoryQuoted: What calibre is that? Looks hot. 6 Dasher |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 8:09:59 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Okay right but I am discussing bringing both and you're talking about like miliradians I'm more concerned about your schedule and about how you are iffy for coming to keystone. I will be sad. I just spent six weeks in a row in the oil field. I'm about to spend another six weeks in a row there. I'm doing this in order to move to the team that will be on days off when keystone happens. Coincidentally that should put me on days off for East too. And I already got verbal approval to swap whatever days I need to go to Classic. Oh, those three events, in that order, are my top 3 scheduling priorities for the year. And I'm bringing my gamer gun to East this year. Maybe I will actually be able to find more than half my targets. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 8:10:05 PM EDT
[#47]
MILS all the way.
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Posted: 3/4/2023 8:16:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/4/2023 8:17:15 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm more concerned about your schedule and about how you are iffy for coming to keystone. I will be sad. I just spent six weeks in a row in the oil field. I'm about to spend another six weeks in a row there. I'm doing this in order to move to the team that will be on days off when keystone happens. Coincidentally that should put me on days off for East too. And I already got verbal approval to swap whatever days I need to go to Classic. Oh, those three events, in that order, are my top 3 scheduling priorities for the year. And I'm bringing my gamer gun to East this year. Maybe I will actually be able to find more than half my targets. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Okay right but I am discussing bringing both and you're talking about like miliradians I'm more concerned about your schedule and about how you are iffy for coming to keystone. I will be sad. I just spent six weeks in a row in the oil field. I'm about to spend another six weeks in a row there. I'm doing this in order to move to the team that will be on days off when keystone happens. Coincidentally that should put me on days off for East too. And I already got verbal approval to swap whatever days I need to go to Classic. Oh, those three events, in that order, are my top 3 scheduling priorities for the year. And I'm bringing my gamer gun to East this year. Maybe I will actually be able to find more than half my targets. New job. Good job. We will see. So far I've made every Keystone.
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Posted: 3/4/2023 9:42:13 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Spotter: “You’re about 7 inches high and 2.5 inches left at 500 yards”. Mil users: “Cool. Can you hand me my calculator?” MOA users: “Hit.” But really Mils is just relearning. I’m just stubborn and when things are called in inches it’s easier for me to not do any mathing. I really don’t see an issue with either. Nonsense. The spotter has a mil reticle too and calls out the miss correction in mils. |
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