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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:10:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So the complaint is - Ukraine should have had more foresight that Russia was a big asshole? - They were not as fast to react as the Us millitary. - Ukraine should go on the offence more becuase if America was invaded the US would be balls to the wall fighting(*). ......... - I stopped watching becuase it's pretty much not even relevant or at the very least not correctly weighing the gained value vs lost value of sent weapons systems. (*) Probably correct but that would be purly hypothetical in a millitary sense given US capabilities. IMO, Marks opinion is flawed in that his mind is stuck in the GWOT and US capabilities. This is not anything like the GWOT. He seems he just wants AFU to Leroy Jenkins it. The Ukrainian that was on was a good listen. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:10:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which is why getting the info from the source makes it opinion free. I don't watch any network news or political opinion programs. What I find amusing and sad is all the retards who were good with wasting 20 fucking years with a bunch of inbred goat fucking idiots who hated us, and lose their mind when a country who actually embraces self determination and western values asks for help to fuck up a major enemy. They are fucking up russia with 25yo munitions and delivery systems. They are using viet nam era apc's as well. They are more than happy to fuck up russia with whatever we send, new or old. And these “open source intelligence sources” are more reliable how? “Western Values” means what, exactly? |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:11:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: we have family there, on the ground, in the middle of this. Your take is borderline retarded. You should feel bad. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:18:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:18:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: since the russian invasion, we've sent them 16.2 BILLION dollars. how is this not helping them? that money buys a lot of weapons, ammunition, and merc's. Most of that tally is actual weapons sent. They will be replaced with the "dollars" by Americans in an American plant, keeping those "dollars" here, and helping local economies. They didn't just send a check or pallets of money, it's in the form of weapons and goods. Yes, some goes to help them stay afloat, this is tough on their economy. We used to be the beacon of freedom that the world looked to as a place to aspire to be, or to come to live. Ukraine has the potential to be an economic leader in Europe, they had great manufacturing and agricultural bases, and resources as well. They just need to shake off russia and have a chance. All the aggression by russia is because they were succeeding in breaking away. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:25:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most of that tally is actual weapons sent. They will be replaced with the "dollars" by Americans in an American plant, keeping those "dollars" here, and helping local economies. They didn't just send a check or pallets of money, it's in the form of weapons and goods. Yes, some goes to help them stay afloat, this is tough on their economy. We used to be the beacon of freedom that the world looked to as a place to aspire to be, or to come to live. Ukraine has the potential to be an economic leader in Europe, they had great manufacturing and agricultural bases, and resources as well. They just need to shake off russia and have a chance. All the aggression by russia is because they were succeeding in breaking away. Broken window logical fallacy here. Taxpayers spend money to replace stuff that taxpayers bought in the first place is not a net gain. It’s a net loss. Sure The Ukraine could do very well absent the kleptocracy in charge and the aggressive attacking nation but so could the Congo. What ROI dies the American taxpayer get? Unless I’m missing something, the Ukraine has not signed any promissory note paying us back. In ten years it could very well be that they are dealing with Russia economically—gas pipelines yo—or China and all we get is a thanks but more money to be made this way. Fir historical examples see Germany, Japan, and pretty much all of Western Europe |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:27:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia is the aggressor in this war, what do you expect the Ukrainians to do? What would you do to defend the U.S. if it came down to it? I would expel the invaders. My post is explaining why they Ukrainians haven't since February. Watch the video before asking questions please. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:28:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: we have family there, on the ground, in the middle of this. Your take is borderline retarded. You should feel bad. Try watching the video before determining my take. JFC |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:29:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:30:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine is willing to be a victim and not defend themselves, so they can be a free shit nation. The US is in that same boat |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:30:43 PM EDT
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Go away, Putin shill.
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:30:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat's my take from the video I posted. Did you watch it before posting your meme? |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:30:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And these “open source intelligence sources” are more reliable how? “Western Values” means what, exactly? They use open source information, geolocation of pictures and calls from civilians and troops, to determine where troops from each side is located, where the explosions are happening behind the lines at depots and storage facilities and barracks. It's pretty fascinating, and they are most often correct even conservative at times. When official sources release info, the analysts are spot on 90% of the time. There are others who confirm equipment losses via photo or video evidence, and have since the start. Lots of good info out there, just have to look. Western values? Free elections and capitalism. The right to make something of yourself, and not be a slave to the state. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:32:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Broken window logical fallacy here. Taxpayers spend money to replace stuff that taxpayers bought in the first place is not a net gain. It’s a net loss. Sure The Ukraine could do very well absent the kleptocracy in charge and the aggressive attacking nation but so could the Congo. What ROI dies the American taxpayer get? Unless I’m missing something, the Ukraine has not signed any promissory note paying us back. In ten years it could very well be that they are dealing with Russia economically—gas pipelines yo—or China and all we get is a thanks but more money to be made this way. Fir historical examples see Germany, Japan, and pretty much all of Western Europe Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Most of that tally is actual weapons sent. They will be replaced with the "dollars" by Americans in an American plant, keeping those "dollars" here, and helping local economies. They didn't just send a check or pallets of money, it's in the form of weapons and goods. Yes, some goes to help them stay afloat, this is tough on their economy. We used to be the beacon of freedom that the world looked to as a place to aspire to be, or to come to live. Ukraine has the potential to be an economic leader in Europe, they had great manufacturing and agricultural bases, and resources as well. They just need to shake off russia and have a chance. All the aggression by russia is because they were succeeding in breaking away. Broken window logical fallacy here. Taxpayers spend money to replace stuff that taxpayers bought in the first place is not a net gain. It’s a net loss. Sure The Ukraine could do very well absent the kleptocracy in charge and the aggressive attacking nation but so could the Congo. What ROI dies the American taxpayer get? Unless I’m missing something, the Ukraine has not signed any promissory note paying us back. In ten years it could very well be that they are dealing with Russia economically—gas pipelines yo—or China and all we get is a thanks but more money to be made this way. Fir historical examples see Germany, Japan, and pretty much all of Western Europe The morally bankrupt take on things. You don't always have to secure something in exchange for help. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:33:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The US is in that same boat NO FUCKING SHIT SHERLOCK |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:34:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kinda not concerned what the Netherlands thinks what the US should be spending. Perhaps spend less accommodating radical Muslim immigrants and more defending their own people? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So the complaint is - Ukraine should have had more foresight that Russia was a big asshole? - They were not as fast to react as the Us millitary. - Ukraine should go on the offence more becuase if America was invaded the US would be balls to the wall fighting(*). ......... - I stopped watching becuase it's pretty much not even relevant or at the very least not correctly weighing the gained value vs lost value of sent weapons systems. (*) Probably correct but that would be purly hypothetical in a millitary sense given US capabilities. Kinda not concerned what the Netherlands thinks what the US should be spending. Perhaps spend less accommodating radical Muslim immigrants and more defending their own people? You do realise that I agree with red but that that statement doesn't have anything to do with cost/benifit a balance test of not stopping Russia. The part of the vid I saw also did not have any real bearing with how a state should balance interests just a vieuw on why the US would have done it better -> Well duh older US weapons are smashing the ever living fuck out of the nearest capable enemy for a couple of percentile points on the yearly defence budget. I'm not telling the US how to spend it's money but I pretty much know this option is far cheaper that not doing anything becuause I assure you not doing anything would not be free. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:36:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They use open source information, geolocation of pictures and calls from civilians and troops, to determine where troops from each side is located, where the explosions are happening behind the lines at depots and storage facilities and barracks. It's pretty fascinating, and they are most often correct even conservative at times. When official sources release info, the analysts are spot on 90% of the time. There are others who confirm equipment losses via photo or video evidence, and have since the start. Lots of good info out there, just have to look. Western values? Free elections and capitalism. The right to make something of yourself, and not be a slave to the state. And who is “they” and why do you find “they” more reliable than anyone else? Free ejections and capitalism? Not a slave to the state? Are we talking about the sane country? Pre war can you point out all of the capitalist, individual liberty in the Ukraine? Gun control? No taxes? No socialized medicine? Lol |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:38:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The morally bankrupt take on things. You don't always have to secure something in exchange for help. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Most of that tally is actual weapons sent. They will be replaced with the "dollars" by Americans in an American plant, keeping those "dollars" here, and helping local economies. They didn't just send a check or pallets of money, it's in the form of weapons and goods. Yes, some goes to help them stay afloat, this is tough on their economy. We used to be the beacon of freedom that the world looked to as a place to aspire to be, or to come to live. Ukraine has the potential to be an economic leader in Europe, they had great manufacturing and agricultural bases, and resources as well. They just need to shake off russia and have a chance. All the aggression by russia is because they were succeeding in breaking away. Broken window logical fallacy here. Taxpayers spend money to replace stuff that taxpayers bought in the first place is not a net gain. It’s a net loss. Sure The Ukraine could do very well absent the kleptocracy in charge and the aggressive attacking nation but so could the Congo. What ROI dies the American taxpayer get? Unless I’m missing something, the Ukraine has not signed any promissory note paying us back. In ten years it could very well be that they are dealing with Russia economically—gas pipelines yo—or China and all we get is a thanks but more money to be made this way. Fir historical examples see Germany, Japan, and pretty much all of Western Europe The morally bankrupt take on things. You don't always have to secure something in exchange for help. “Morality” is the appeal of the left when they want to rob your bank account to fund their social welfare programs. Thanks for playing AOC and Mexico is a bigger problem for US security right now than Russia so check yourself |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:38:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's my take from the video I posted. Did you watch it before posting your meme? Quote HistoryQuoted: That's my take from the video I posted. Did you watch it before posting your meme? It is retarded to expect people to watch a 4 hour video in order to then have your permission to explain how you are wrong. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:38:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Broken window logical fallacy here. Taxpayers spend money to replace stuff that taxpayers bought in the first place is not a net gain. It’s a net loss. Sure The Ukraine could do very well absent the kleptocracy in charge and the aggressive attacking nation but so could the Congo. What ROI dies the American taxpayer get? Unless I’m missing something, the Ukraine has not signed any promissory note paying us back. In ten years it could very well be that they are dealing with Russia economically—gas pipelines yo—or China and all we get is a thanks but more money to be made this way. Fir historical examples see Germany, Japan, and pretty much all of Western Europe JFC, they kicked out most of the kleptocracy 8 years ago, triggering the invasion of Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. Zelensky being elected, and further cleaning house triggered the current invasion, and subsequent ass whipping of russia. Russia's goal is to eliminate anything Ukraine. Customs, language, heritage, everything. It has been publicly stated by more than one official. Current maps show that russia has lost pretty much everything they took in round 2, and it ain't looking good for them. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:39:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would expel the invaders. My post is explaining why they Ukrainians haven't since February. Watch the video before asking questions please. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Russia is the aggressor in this war, what do you expect the Ukrainians to do? What would you do to defend the U.S. if it came down to it? I would expel the invaders. My post is explaining why they Ukrainians haven't since February. Watch the video before asking questions please. They did pretty good in the early days with what they had and stopped a steamroll attempt. A bad one, but an attempt nonetheless. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:40:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would expel the invaders. My post is explaining why they Ukrainians haven't since February. Watch the video before asking questions please. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:41:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: JFC, they kicked out most of the kleptocracy 8 years ago, triggering the invasion of Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. Zelensky being elected, and further cleaning house triggered the current invasion, and subsequent ass whipping of russia. Russia's goal is to eliminate anything Ukraine. Customs, language, heritage, everything. It has been publicly stated by more than one official. Current maps show that russia has lost pretty much everything they took in round 2, and it ain't looking good for them. Good for them. No problem Russia knocking their brains out. lol. They suddenly kicked out their kleptocracy just in time for the first invasion and magically became a libertarian paradise overnight? The very concept is laughable. Sure they may have made a little progress to keep the US aid dollars flowing but you don’t change the systemic corruption like that instantly. That take a Revolution or a war. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:42:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Try watching the video before determining my take. JFC How old are you and how many people do you socialize with on a daily basis? |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:42:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would expel the invaders. My post is explaining why they Ukrainians haven't since February. Watch the video before asking questions please. Ukraine is not the USA. They are not kicking russia out completely like nato could immediately. Anyone who thinks they should be able to is a fucking retard. They have taken back almost everything from round 2. Time now to remove them the rest of the way. It won't happen overnight, but russia will be weakened further militarily, while they shoot rockets at civilian targets. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:43:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine is willing to be a victim and not defend themselves, so they can be a free shit nation.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:43:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With that logic any country deserves no support Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Guess you didn't watch. ETA: It's not the people...it's the leadership. With that logic any country deserves no support Now we're getting somewhere... |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:45:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: “Morality” is the appeal of the left when they want to rob your bank account to fund their social welfare programs. Thanks for playing AOC and Mexico is a bigger problem for US security right now than Russia so check yourself Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Most of that tally is actual weapons sent. They will be replaced with the "dollars" by Americans in an American plant, keeping those "dollars" here, and helping local economies. They didn't just send a check or pallets of money, it's in the form of weapons and goods. Yes, some goes to help them stay afloat, this is tough on their economy. We used to be the beacon of freedom that the world looked to as a place to aspire to be, or to come to live. Ukraine has the potential to be an economic leader in Europe, they had great manufacturing and agricultural bases, and resources as well. They just need to shake off russia and have a chance. All the aggression by russia is because they were succeeding in breaking away. Broken window logical fallacy here. Taxpayers spend money to replace stuff that taxpayers bought in the first place is not a net gain. It’s a net loss. Sure The Ukraine could do very well absent the kleptocracy in charge and the aggressive attacking nation but so could the Congo. What ROI dies the American taxpayer get? Unless I’m missing something, the Ukraine has not signed any promissory note paying us back. In ten years it could very well be that they are dealing with Russia economically—gas pipelines yo—or China and all we get is a thanks but more money to be made this way. Fir historical examples see Germany, Japan, and pretty much all of Western Europe The morally bankrupt take on things. You don't always have to secure something in exchange for help. “Morality” is the appeal of the left when they want to rob your bank account to fund their social welfare programs. Thanks for playing AOC and Mexico is a bigger problem for US security right now than Russia so check yourself I bet you collect VA bennies. 
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:45:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine is willing to be a victim and not defend themselves, so they can be a free shit nation. Seems like they are paying a pretty high price to recapture their territory There are western volunteers there for sure, but that video premise is just well, beyond credibility. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:47:26 PM EDT
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Weirdo conspiracy theory playbook:
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:49:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bet you collect VA bennies. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Most of that tally is actual weapons sent. They will be replaced with the "dollars" by Americans in an American plant, keeping those "dollars" here, and helping local economies. They didn't just send a check or pallets of money, it's in the form of weapons and goods. Yes, some goes to help them stay afloat, this is tough on their economy. We used to be the beacon of freedom that the world looked to as a place to aspire to be, or to come to live. Ukraine has the potential to be an economic leader in Europe, they had great manufacturing and agricultural bases, and resources as well. They just need to shake off russia and have a chance. All the aggression by russia is because they were succeeding in breaking away. Broken window logical fallacy here. Taxpayers spend money to replace stuff that taxpayers bought in the first place is not a net gain. It’s a net loss. Sure The Ukraine could do very well absent the kleptocracy in charge and the aggressive attacking nation but so could the Congo. What ROI dies the American taxpayer get? Unless I’m missing something, the Ukraine has not signed any promissory note paying us back. In ten years it could very well be that they are dealing with Russia economically—gas pipelines yo—or China and all we get is a thanks but more money to be made this way. Fir historical examples see Germany, Japan, and pretty much all of Western Europe The morally bankrupt take on things. You don't always have to secure something in exchange for help. “Morality” is the appeal of the left when they want to rob your bank account to fund their social welfare programs. Thanks for playing AOC and Mexico is a bigger problem for US security right now than Russia so check yourself I bet you collect VA bennies. Don’t go to the VA, it’s a waste. OTOH, I’m an American and fly the American flag. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:49:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don’t go to the VA, it’s a waste. OTOH, I’m an American and fly the American flag. I’m not a wetback Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Most of that tally is actual weapons sent. They will be replaced with the "dollars" by Americans in an American plant, keeping those "dollars" here, and helping local economies. They didn't just send a check or pallets of money, it's in the form of weapons and goods. Yes, some goes to help them stay afloat, this is tough on their economy. We used to be the beacon of freedom that the world looked to as a place to aspire to be, or to come to live. Ukraine has the potential to be an economic leader in Europe, they had great manufacturing and agricultural bases, and resources as well. They just need to shake off russia and have a chance. All the aggression by russia is because they were succeeding in breaking away. Broken window logical fallacy here. Taxpayers spend money to replace stuff that taxpayers bought in the first place is not a net gain. It’s a net loss. Sure The Ukraine could do very well absent the kleptocracy in charge and the aggressive attacking nation but so could the Congo. What ROI dies the American taxpayer get? Unless I’m missing something, the Ukraine has not signed any promissory note paying us back. In ten years it could very well be that they are dealing with Russia economically—gas pipelines yo—or China and all we get is a thanks but more money to be made this way. Fir historical examples see Germany, Japan, and pretty much all of Western Europe The morally bankrupt take on things. You don't always have to secure something in exchange for help. “Morality” is the appeal of the left when they want to rob your bank account to fund their social welfare programs. Thanks for playing AOC and Mexico is a bigger problem for US security right now than Russia so check yourself I bet you collect VA bennies. Don’t go to the VA, it’s a waste. OTOH, I’m an American and fly the American flag. I’m not a wetback And a racist. Nice. Bet you are a cool guy. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:51:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And a racist. Nice. Bet you are a cool guy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Most of that tally is actual weapons sent. They will be replaced with the "dollars" by Americans in an American plant, keeping those "dollars" here, and helping local economies. They didn't just send a check or pallets of money, it's in the form of weapons and goods. Yes, some goes to help them stay afloat, this is tough on their economy. We used to be the beacon of freedom that the world looked to as a place to aspire to be, or to come to live. Ukraine has the potential to be an economic leader in Europe, they had great manufacturing and agricultural bases, and resources as well. They just need to shake off russia and have a chance. All the aggression by russia is because they were succeeding in breaking away. Broken window logical fallacy here. Taxpayers spend money to replace stuff that taxpayers bought in the first place is not a net gain. It’s a net loss. Sure The Ukraine could do very well absent the kleptocracy in charge and the aggressive attacking nation but so could the Congo. What ROI dies the American taxpayer get? Unless I’m missing something, the Ukraine has not signed any promissory note paying us back. In ten years it could very well be that they are dealing with Russia economically—gas pipelines yo—or China and all we get is a thanks but more money to be made this way. Fir historical examples see Germany, Japan, and pretty much all of Western Europe The morally bankrupt take on things. You don't always have to secure something in exchange for help. “Morality” is the appeal of the left when they want to rob your bank account to fund their social welfare programs. Thanks for playing AOC and Mexico is a bigger problem for US security right now than Russia so check yourself I bet you collect VA bennies. Don’t go to the VA, it’s a waste. OTOH, I’m an American and fly the American flag. I’m not a wetback And a racist. Nice. Bet you are a cool guy. Didn’t mention race at all, just national loyalty. You are the one to bring up race—which is what racists do. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:51:42 PM EDT
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So let me get this straight. Ukraine wanted this war so its economy could be on the precipice of collapse. Total loss of heating, electricity and drinkable water, all that before winter....All just so they could get weapon aid shipments from the West?
You know what, if that ain't some brilliant 4d Chess by the Ukrainians then I don't know what is! |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:51:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And who is “they” and why do you find “they” more reliable than anyone else? Free ejections and capitalism? Not a slave to the state? Are we talking about the sane country? Pre war can you point out all of the capitalist, individual liberty in the Ukraine? Gun control? No taxes? No socialized medicine? Lol Sigh. "They" are people I trust to have correct information, as they have been reliable all along. Sigh. They have been under a communist system for decades. Soviet union goes bust, everyone gets screwed even more, especially the satellite countries. Russia has continued to fuck with them since. They have a lot of shit to work out, and it's tough to do when your neighbor is attacking you, kidnapping citizens, raping and killing civilians, leveling entire cities, you know, committing war crimes. They deserve a chance, way more than the goat fuckers you were fine with wasting money over. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:54:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn’t mention race at all, just national loyalty. You are the one to bring up race—which is what racists do. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Most of that tally is actual weapons sent. They will be replaced with the "dollars" by Americans in an American plant, keeping those "dollars" here, and helping local economies. They didn't just send a check or pallets of money, it's in the form of weapons and goods. Yes, some goes to help them stay afloat, this is tough on their economy. We used to be the beacon of freedom that the world looked to as a place to aspire to be, or to come to live. Ukraine has the potential to be an economic leader in Europe, they had great manufacturing and agricultural bases, and resources as well. They just need to shake off russia and have a chance. All the aggression by russia is because they were succeeding in breaking away. Broken window logical fallacy here. Taxpayers spend money to replace stuff that taxpayers bought in the first place is not a net gain. It’s a net loss. Sure The Ukraine could do very well absent the kleptocracy in charge and the aggressive attacking nation but so could the Congo. What ROI dies the American taxpayer get? Unless I’m missing something, the Ukraine has not signed any promissory note paying us back. In ten years it could very well be that they are dealing with Russia economically—gas pipelines yo—or China and all we get is a thanks but more money to be made this way. Fir historical examples see Germany, Japan, and pretty much all of Western Europe The morally bankrupt take on things. You don't always have to secure something in exchange for help. “Morality” is the appeal of the left when they want to rob your bank account to fund their social welfare programs. Thanks for playing AOC and Mexico is a bigger problem for US security right now than Russia so check yourself I bet you collect VA bennies. Don’t go to the VA, it’s a waste. OTOH, I’m an American and fly the American flag. I’m not a wetback And a racist. Nice. Bet you are a cool guy. Didn’t mention race at all, just national loyalty. You are the one to bring up race—which is what racists do. Keep going. Holy shit.
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:58:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sigh. "They" are people I trust to have correct information, as they have been reliable all along. Sigh. They have been under a communist system for decades. Soviet union goes bust, everyone gets screwed even more, especially the satellite countries. Russia has continued to fuck with them since. They have a lot of shit to work out, and it's tough to do when your neighbor is attacking you, kidnapping citizens, raping and killing civilians, leveling entire cities, you know, committing war crimes. They deserve a chance, way more than the goat fuckers you were fine with wasting money over. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And who is “they” and why do you find “they” more reliable than anyone else? Free ejections and capitalism? Not a slave to the state? Are we talking about the sane country? Pre war can you point out all of the capitalist, individual liberty in the Ukraine? Gun control? No taxes? No socialized medicine? Lol Sigh. "They" are people I trust to have correct information, as they have been reliable all along. Sigh. They have been under a communist system for decades. Soviet union goes bust, everyone gets screwed even more, especially the satellite countries. Russia has continued to fuck with them since. They have a lot of shit to work out, and it's tough to do when your neighbor is attacking you, kidnapping citizens, raping and killing civilians, leveling entire cities, you know, committing war crimes. They deserve a chance, way more than the goat fuckers you were fine with wasting money over. Sigh. So no concrete objective evidence to back up your sources. Got it. Sigh. Yeah, they were under communist rule—in fact the communists created their nation in 1917 and expanded it in 1954 is well known…so? So was Romania and Belarus and many other countries. How does that make them pro western incorrupt republics now? It’s unfortunate, certainly, but victimhood doesn’t equal moral superiority. And what’s this about me supporting “goat fuckers” for twenty years? Got any evidence of that or are you full of shit with your full of shit “sources”? |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:59:24 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good for them. No problem Russia knocking their brains out. lol. They suddenly kicked out their kleptocracy just in time for the first invasion and magically became a libertarian paradise overnight? The very concept is laughable. Sure they may have made a little progress to keep the US aid dollars flowing but you don’t change the systemic corruption like that instantly. That take a Revolution or a war. Well, I watched it in real time as it happened. They overthrew what they thought were rigged elections. They had more balls than anyone here did when it happened. 50 were killed, and many more shot in Kyiv. 3 weeks later, Russia invaded. That's what happened, and tell me, how are they supposed run the govt like nothing is going on when 1/3rd of your country has been invaded? You are trying really hard to get a rise with your posts, but I get it, you like goat fucking retards, and fuck off to those who look up to what America used to stand for. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 8:59:33 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Keep going. Holy shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Most of that tally is actual weapons sent. They will be replaced with the "dollars" by Americans in an American plant, keeping those "dollars" here, and helping local economies. They didn't just send a check or pallets of money, it's in the form of weapons and goods. Yes, some goes to help them stay afloat, this is tough on their economy. We used to be the beacon of freedom that the world looked to as a place to aspire to be, or to come to live. Ukraine has the potential to be an economic leader in Europe, they had great manufacturing and agricultural bases, and resources as well. They just need to shake off russia and have a chance. All the aggression by russia is because they were succeeding in breaking away. Broken window logical fallacy here. Taxpayers spend money to replace stuff that taxpayers bought in the first place is not a net gain. It’s a net loss. Sure The Ukraine could do very well absent the kleptocracy in charge and the aggressive attacking nation but so could the Congo. What ROI dies the American taxpayer get? Unless I’m missing something, the Ukraine has not signed any promissory note paying us back. In ten years it could very well be that they are dealing with Russia economically—gas pipelines yo—or China and all we get is a thanks but more money to be made this way. Fir historical examples see Germany, Japan, and pretty much all of Western Europe The morally bankrupt take on things. You don't always have to secure something in exchange for help. “Morality” is the appeal of the left when they want to rob your bank account to fund their social welfare programs. Thanks for playing AOC and Mexico is a bigger problem for US security right now than Russia so check yourself I bet you collect VA bennies. Don’t go to the VA, it’s a waste. OTOH, I’m an American and fly the American flag. I’m not a wetback And a racist. Nice. Bet you are a cool guy. Didn’t mention race at all, just national loyalty. You are the one to bring up race—which is what racists do. Keep going. Holy shit. At least y’all can send welfare checks south via western Union, so you got that going for you
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Posted: 11/11/2022 9:01:57 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, I watched it in real time as it happened. They overthrew what they thought were rigged elections. They had more balls than anyone here did when it happened. 50 were killed, and many more shot in Kyiv. 3 weeks later, Russia invaded. That's what happened, and tell me, how are they supposed run the govt like nothing is going on when 1/3rd of your country has been invaded? You are trying really hard to get a rise with your posts, but I get it, you like goat fucking retards, and fuck off to those who look up to what America used to stand for. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Good for them. No problem Russia knocking their brains out. lol. They suddenly kicked out their kleptocracy just in time for the first invasion and magically became a libertarian paradise overnight? The very concept is laughable. Sure they may have made a little progress to keep the US aid dollars flowing but you don’t change the systemic corruption like that instantly. That take a Revolution or a war. Well, I watched it in real time as it happened. They overthrew what they thought were rigged elections. They had more balls than anyone here did when it happened. 50 were killed, and many more shot in Kyiv. 3 weeks later, Russia invaded. That's what happened, and tell me, how are they supposed run the govt like nothing is going on when 1/3rd of your country has been invaded? You are trying really hard to get a rise with your posts, but I get it, you like goat fucking retards, and fuck off to those who look up to what America used to stand for. Oh, so you were boots on the ground watching “ in real time” ? Or just on the internets in the US? |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 9:03:43 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At least y’all can send welfare checks south via western Union, so you got that going for youQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Most of that tally is actual weapons sent. They will be replaced with the "dollars" by Americans in an American plant, keeping those "dollars" here, and helping local economies. They didn't just send a check or pallets of money, it's in the form of weapons and goods. Yes, some goes to help them stay afloat, this is tough on their economy. We used to be the beacon of freedom that the world looked to as a place to aspire to be, or to come to live. Ukraine has the potential to be an economic leader in Europe, they had great manufacturing and agricultural bases, and resources as well. They just need to shake off russia and have a chance. All the aggression by russia is because they were succeeding in breaking away. Broken window logical fallacy here. Taxpayers spend money to replace stuff that taxpayers bought in the first place is not a net gain. It’s a net loss. Sure The Ukraine could do very well absent the kleptocracy in charge and the aggressive attacking nation but so could the Congo. What ROI dies the American taxpayer get? Unless I’m missing something, the Ukraine has not signed any promissory note paying us back. In ten years it could very well be that they are dealing with Russia economically—gas pipelines yo—or China and all we get is a thanks but more money to be made this way. Fir historical examples see Germany, Japan, and pretty much all of Western Europe The morally bankrupt take on things. You don't always have to secure something in exchange for help. “Morality” is the appeal of the left when they want to rob your bank account to fund their social welfare programs. Thanks for playing AOC and Mexico is a bigger problem for US security right now than Russia so check yourself I bet you collect VA bennies. Don’t go to the VA, it’s a waste. OTOH, I’m an American and fly the American flag. I’m not a wetback And a racist. Nice. Bet you are a cool guy. Didn’t mention race at all, just national loyalty. You are the one to bring up race—which is what racists do. Keep going. Holy shit. At least y’all can send welfare checks south via western Union, so you got that going for youWhen is your next klan rally there bud? Where did the brown person touch you? |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 9:05:53 PM EDT
[#42]
Lol at the freudian slip.
edit; nevermind guess he ain't hiding it. 
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Posted: 11/11/2022 9:06:11 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sigh. So no concrete objective evidence to back up your sources. Got it. Sigh. Yeah, they were under communist rule—in fact the communists created their nation in 1917 and expanded it in 1954 is well known…so? So was Romania and Belarus and many other countries. How does that make them pro western incorrupt republics now? It’s unfortunate, certainly, but victimhood doesn’t equal moral superiority. And what’s this about me supporting “goat fuckers” for twenty years? Got any evidence of that or are you full of shit with your full of shit “sources”? There is concrete objective evidence. Satellite photos, nasa fire detection satellite imagery, geo location of pictures and phone calls. I don't get it. If you don't understand how that stuff works, and how it can be used, the conversation is over. No need to continue. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 9:07:13 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh, so you were boots on the ground watching “ in real time” ? Or just on the internets in the US? Watching online, and messages with friends. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 9:08:27 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sigh. "They" are people I trust to have correct information, as they have been reliable all along. Sigh. They have been under a communist system for decades. Soviet union goes bust, everyone gets screwed even more, especially the satellite countries. Russia has continued to fuck with them since. They have a lot of shit to work out, and it's tough to do when your neighbor is attacking you, kidnapping citizens, raping and killing civilians, leveling entire cities, you know, committing war crimes. They deserve a chance, way more than the goat fuckers you were fine with wasting money over. For the latest example, Russia has estimated that AFU has lost about 61,000 KIA and 49,000 WIA. These estimates were derided by everyone in the "reliable" west as being nothing but Putinist propaganda. Except this week the Chairman of the US JCOS, General Milley, basically confirmed the Russian numbers with an estimate of over 100,000 Ukrainian casualties to this date. The biggest number I've seen from the Ukrainians is 9,000 KIA. In this war, both sides lie and manipulate information. But only Ukrainian propaganda goes unchallenged by the Media and Western governments. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 9:13:05 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When is your next klan rally there bud? Where did the brown person touch you? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Most of that tally is actual weapons sent. They will be replaced with the "dollars" by Americans in an American plant, keeping those "dollars" here, and helping local economies. They didn't just send a check or pallets of money, it's in the form of weapons and goods. Yes, some goes to help them stay afloat, this is tough on their economy. We used to be the beacon of freedom that the world looked to as a place to aspire to be, or to come to live. Ukraine has the potential to be an economic leader in Europe, they had great manufacturing and agricultural bases, and resources as well. They just need to shake off russia and have a chance. All the aggression by russia is because they were succeeding in breaking away. Broken window logical fallacy here. Taxpayers spend money to replace stuff that taxpayers bought in the first place is not a net gain. It’s a net loss. Sure The Ukraine could do very well absent the kleptocracy in charge and the aggressive attacking nation but so could the Congo. What ROI dies the American taxpayer get? Unless I’m missing something, the Ukraine has not signed any promissory note paying us back. In ten years it could very well be that they are dealing with Russia economically—gas pipelines yo—or China and all we get is a thanks but more money to be made this way. Fir historical examples see Germany, Japan, and pretty much all of Western Europe The morally bankrupt take on things. You don't always have to secure something in exchange for help. “Morality” is the appeal of the left when they want to rob your bank account to fund their social welfare programs. Thanks for playing AOC and Mexico is a bigger problem for US security right now than Russia so check yourself I bet you collect VA bennies. Don’t go to the VA, it’s a waste. OTOH, I’m an American and fly the American flag. I’m not a wetback And a racist. Nice. Bet you are a cool guy. Didn’t mention race at all, just national loyalty. You are the one to bring up race—which is what racists do. Keep going. Holy shit. At least y’all can send welfare checks south via western Union, so you got that going for youWhen is your next klan rally there bud? Where did the brown person touch you? I’m mixed so your democrat talking points fail. Sorry that the evil US taxpayers start balking at every foreigner begging for a handout. 
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Posted: 11/11/2022 9:14:07 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There is concrete objective evidence. Satellite photos, nasa fire detection satellite imagery, geo location of pictures and phone calls. I don't get it. If you don't understand how that stuff works, and how it can be used, the conversation is over. No need to continue. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sigh. So no concrete objective evidence to back up your sources. Got it. Sigh. Yeah, they were under communist rule—in fact the communists created their nation in 1917 and expanded it in 1954 is well known…so? So was Romania and Belarus and many other countries. How does that make them pro western incorrupt republics now? It’s unfortunate, certainly, but victimhood doesn’t equal moral superiority. And what’s this about me supporting “goat fuckers” for twenty years? Got any evidence of that or are you full of shit with your full of shit “sources”? There is concrete objective evidence. Satellite photos, nasa fire detection satellite imagery, geo location of pictures and phone calls. I don't get it. If you don't understand how that stuff works, and how it can be used, the conversation is over. No need to continue. But you haven’t posted a single source dude. I know how this works. You haven’t backed up your assertions |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 9:15:01 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Watching online, and messages with friends. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh, so you were boots on the ground watching “ in real time” ? Or just on the internets in the US? Watching online, and messages with friends. Oh, online and chatting with buds. Forgive me, that is definitely a reliable intelligence source. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 9:15:24 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And 80 years ago Germany murdered millions in the camps an the Japanese attacked the US and marched thousands to their deaths in Bataan. Your point is? Speaking of reading history. The Ukraine was not a nation for a thousand years—from the fall of the Kievian Rus in the 9th century until 1917 there was no such thing as a Ukrainian nation. Crimea was never part of Ukraine until 1954. Before that it was Russian and before 1783 it was Ottoman. So if we’re are going to go with the “read history” thing, you’ve got to read ALL of it, not just the parts that support your limited understanding More accurately Kyivan Rus declined from the twelfth century and was absorbed by its neighbors and the mongols largely in the 14th to 16th centuries. Russia gained eastern Ukraine in only the 17th century and parts of western Ukraine at the very end of the 18th century. They didn’t get to its modern borders until very recently. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 9:16:59 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m mixed so your democrat talking points fail. Sorry that the evil US taxpayers start balking at every foreigner begging for a handout. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/23451/BC4DC64F-341B-48E8-B0DF-A48025848811-2596801.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Most of that tally is actual weapons sent. They will be replaced with the "dollars" by Americans in an American plant, keeping those "dollars" here, and helping local economies. They didn't just send a check or pallets of money, it's in the form of weapons and goods. Yes, some goes to help them stay afloat, this is tough on their economy. We used to be the beacon of freedom that the world looked to as a place to aspire to be, or to come to live. Ukraine has the potential to be an economic leader in Europe, they had great manufacturing and agricultural bases, and resources as well. They just need to shake off russia and have a chance. All the aggression by russia is because they were succeeding in breaking away. Broken window logical fallacy here. Taxpayers spend money to replace stuff that taxpayers bought in the first place is not a net gain. It’s a net loss. Sure The Ukraine could do very well absent the kleptocracy in charge and the aggressive attacking nation but so could the Congo. What ROI dies the American taxpayer get? Unless I’m missing something, the Ukraine has not signed any promissory note paying us back. In ten years it could very well be that they are dealing with Russia economically—gas pipelines yo—or China and all we get is a thanks but more money to be made this way. Fir historical examples see Germany, Japan, and pretty much all of Western Europe The morally bankrupt take on things. You don't always have to secure something in exchange for help. “Morality” is the appeal of the left when they want to rob your bank account to fund their social welfare programs. Thanks for playing AOC and Mexico is a bigger problem for US security right now than Russia so check yourself I bet you collect VA bennies. Don’t go to the VA, it’s a waste. OTOH, I’m an American and fly the American flag. I’m not a wetback And a racist. Nice. Bet you are a cool guy. Didn’t mention race at all, just national loyalty. You are the one to bring up race—which is what racists do. Keep going. Holy shit. At least y’all can send welfare checks south via western Union, so you got that going for youWhen is your next klan rally there bud? Where did the brown person touch you? I’m mixed so your democrat talking points fail. Sorry that the evil US taxpayers start balking at every foreigner begging for a handout. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/23451/BC4DC64F-341B-48E8-B0DF-A48025848811-2596801.jpg Keep digging. I guess race makes national service irrelevant. And here I thought bigotry wasn't allowed in the Corps. |
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