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Posted: 5/26/2019 1:01:32 PM EDT
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Now that the details have been told. Thread title is a little misleading. Title should maybe be....Made my first arrest using an image search app on my phone to confirm suspect.
Clip magazine bullet holder whatever. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 1:07:55 PM EDT
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Oh noes. You're right. I'm probably worrying over nothing. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 1:08:10 PM EDT
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We have had handheld biometric fingerprint scanners that are bluetooth connected to the laptops for 6 or 7 years now. Not everyone has one, but there is usually at least one or two on a shift in each individual district. They only work if your prints are in AFIS though. Tried to use one on a lady that got hit by a train the other day and got no hit as she had never been arrested before.
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Posted: 5/26/2019 1:09:37 PM EDT
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Im curious what makes a vic so suspicious that the need to pull them over arises.
Was he conducting himself as to warrant suspision of a crime? In other words, probable cause, preponderance of evidence...somethin other than dude looked shady? Good job getting douche bag off the streets though. Recognition software is shady. Wrongful arrests happen due to this. All the ime, in fact. Long story short...liberty, freedom and F a nanny state. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 1:16:01 PM EDT
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We have had handheld biometric fingerprint scanners that are bluetooth connected to the laptops for 6 or 7 years now. Not everyone has one, but there is usually at least one or two on a shift in each individual district. They only work if your prints are in AFIS though. Tried to use one on a lady that got hit by a train the other day and got no hit as she had never been arrested before. When I finally figured out who he was and entered his DL number into the MDT. It came back, (computer voice) "Warning! Person is maximum warning level. Person is a good ICE candidate, xx criminal charges and x felonies." |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 1:16:29 PM EDT
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I love Bama I've been reading his posts for years.
That said, on a civilization level, this shit scares the fuck out of me. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 1:22:13 PM EDT
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I wonder at what point this system will be so prolific that cops just dispatch from the 
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Posted: 5/26/2019 1:23:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh this guy was in the system. His print out was 18 pages, front and back. When I finally figured out who he was and entered his DL number into the MDT. It came back, (computer voice) "Warning! Person is maximum warning level. Person is a good ICE candidate, xx criminal charges and x felonies." |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 1:27:43 PM EDT
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It’s Facebook isn’t it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So what’s the app? 
Scary stuff . Too bad it did not also warn me about her. 
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Posted: 5/26/2019 1:40:19 PM EDT
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Fuck that noise. You want my picture, you either get a warrant or arrest me? Had some asshole Lake County Narcs harassing some friends and I after they pulled us over a long time ago. Tried saying we were in a gang, because some of our shoes were black. What the fuck were these dickhead cops smoking? They didn't like it when it was pointed out that some of their shoes were black. They started taking pictures of everyone. When it came time for my picture I told them no. Told them either get a warrant, or arrest me. They gave me a lot of shit, but I told them to fuck off. They weren't getting my picture for free. Black shoes being in a gang. Get the fuck out of here. 
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Posted: 5/26/2019 1:45:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't see any parallels to the retina/facial ID advertisement tech in Minority Report to the escalading using of facial ID tech in LE, tech, and retail? Do you really think it's a leap once they lock down your facial ID or retina details to then store them, and have random "readers" set up across public areas? You really haven't seen it, have you? |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 1:46:55 PM EDT
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We have had handheld biometric fingerprint scanners that are bluetooth connected to the laptops for 6 or 7 years now. Not everyone has one, but there is usually at least one or two on a shift in each individual district. They only work if your prints are in AFIS though. Tried to use one on a lady that got hit by a train the other day and got no hit as she had never been arrested before. I used one to identify a murder victim a few years ago. He was partially decomposed, but one of his hands was laying in the shade and in decent shape. It gave us like a 93% match and a name, which we cross-referenced with booking photos from the next county over. The booking photos included quality photographs of his tattoos, which allowed us to make a positive identification in the field. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 1:53:13 PM EDT
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FaceFirst I am assuming?
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Posted: 5/26/2019 1:56:44 PM EDT
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Back on subject, I gotta say that using a leo app to search social media pics is pretty disturbing, from a privacy rights perspective. The software and the process it uses would be the same, why didn't they think to restrict it to driver's license photos and mugshots only to alleviate privacy concerns?
I mean honestly, probably over 90% of the people a cop would have to independently verify their ID, there would be a mugshot or driver's license photo of that person. It seems more efficient to restrict the software to a smaller pool of photos to search from. Bama shooter, I'm not criticizing what you did. I think it's kind of cool. But I think the app is overly Broad in the sources that searches and that raises privacy concerns. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:00:26 PM EDT
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FaceFirst I am assuming? |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:09:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bro. Loose lips sink ships. Do you WANT the Germans to start sinking our convoys???
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:14:30 PM EDT
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LE only. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:16:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:So, in this day and age LE has portable hardware/software that can positively ID a
bad guy within minutes, but when they stop and arrest an innocent person on an outstanding warrant because they had the same personal info as the wanted person, or victim of ID theft, that person can spend days in jail until the confusion is cleared up. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:16:29 PM EDT
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If I tell you I'm "Rando McRando" and my birthday is obviously 20 years too young for me, what do you do? Obviously you try to get the real info, but if I insist I'm Mr. McRando and you can't find me in your computer, what do you do? Would you eventually release me if I hadn't otherwise committed an arrestable offense?
Also, what exactly does a "suspicious vehicle" look like.
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:17:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Perfectly fine with the bold. I have zero interest in China-like surveillance of citizens in the US. Nobody needs to know who I am, who I'm with, where I'm going, etc., when I'm about my daily business and not breaking laws. Anonymity is gauche in the information age, but I'm good with people keeping as much as they can. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:17:33 PM EDT
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Nah. It's already available on the dark web. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LE only. Sure could use it in parallel with the Tinder app. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:23:57 PM EDT
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Screw You, Copper!
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:26:00 PM EDT
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Back on subject, I gotta say that using a leo app to search social media pics is pretty disturbing, from a privacy rights perspective. The software and the process it uses would be the same, why didn't they think to restrict it to driver's license photos and mugshots only to alleviate privacy concerns? I mean honestly, probably over 90% of the people a cop would have to independently verify their ID, there would be a mugshot or driver's license photo of that person. It seems more efficient to restrict the software to a smaller pool of photos to search from. Bama shooter, I'm not criticizing what you did. I think it's kind of cool. But I think the app is overly Broad in the sources that searches and that raises privacy concerns. So they have to use open sources on the internet. The pic that ID'd my fellow officer came from the news media not social media. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:27:47 PM EDT
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Why not just use a fingerprint scanner? Seems like it would be more accurate. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:28:28 PM EDT
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For straight unlicensed, never seen that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I impounded many vehicles in NY because the driver had no license. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:28:42 PM EDT
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Probably can't force prints on a traffic stop, do they even have portable ones? |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:29:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The pic it matched him with, no beard. The pic we took, he had a beard. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:31:58 PM EDT
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Bro. Loose lips sink ships. Do you WANT the Germans to start sinking our convoys??? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FaceFirst I am assuming? Would be interesting to find a open source app for facial recognition PMs only please 
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:32:05 PM EDT
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I'm only going to post pictures of my neighbor on my facebook account. You'll never find me!
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:34:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You'd think police would want to make the source code public, so taxpayers could audit it and see how accurate, effective and unbiased it is. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:34:50 PM EDT
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Still doesn't work without a account and database access. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:35:28 PM EDT
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Is there a restricted LE appstore with all sorts of cool shit in it that we can't see?  |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:35:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Enigma. Germans are smart. They'll figure it out.
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:37:51 PM EDT
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Know any Germans? I mean, he's half coonass by assimilation by now so I guess it doesn't. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:42:38 PM EDT
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These arent my pants doesnt work anymore???? Whut had happened wuz. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:43:18 PM EDT
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I don't think you understand how things work. You get pulled over, left your wallet at home. I get your name and date of birth, sometimes your SOC number. We enter your name and DOB into the computer, it pops up possible matches. There you are, along with your drivers license number. It says you have a valid DL number and your status is good. At this point I can use that information to issue a citation, a written warning or a verbal warning for the infraction you committed. I could also issue you a citation for not having you DL with you while driving, then you get to go see the judge and provide proof of your DL to him. Now unless you were an ass during the traffic stop I'm not going to issue that citation. There is no confusion so long as you provide your legit information. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Guess what, I had the exact same thing happen. Forgot my license, pulled over, plates matched my military ID that I had but I still had to go to court to provide proof that I had a drivers license. And 100% of the blame for that pain in the ass experience falls on me. OMG, take away cops cell phones and access to information while in the field because you once got pulled over and had a irritating experience due to forgetting your wallet. Were you cuffed, tased, shot? Of course not, you had a irritating experience until things were straightened out, due to your mistake. Did they cite you? Because even if the 2nd cop verified who you were, the first cop could have cited you and made you appear in court to verify that you're a licensed driver or pay a fine. So you had a irritating experience due to a minor mistake on your part but the cop did you a solid and you're still pissed? Buddy, the cops ain't the problem here. Bama shooter pulls over a guy who has no license and gives his name as Fakey McFaker but plates match Dopey McSmokey who has a record and warrants. You don't think that's PC to verify his identity? When i was stopped it was 100% my fault also, not denying that in the slightest. If you cannot see the forest for the trees in this situation, you never will. Use of this tech will only lead to its general, widespread public use/abuse in the future. That is my issue. This is just one more rung up the authoritarian ladder. You get pulled over, left your wallet at home. I get your name and date of birth, sometimes your SOC number. We enter your name and DOB into the computer, it pops up possible matches. There you are, along with your drivers license number. It says you have a valid DL number and your status is good. At this point I can use that information to issue a citation, a written warning or a verbal warning for the infraction you committed. I could also issue you a citation for not having you DL with you while driving, then you get to go see the judge and provide proof of your DL to him. Now unless you were an ass during the traffic stop I'm not going to issue that citation. There is no confusion so long as you provide your legit information. If they ever pull my record it will look like some NCIS show super Ex Special Ops guy. In reality I was a reg Army guy just on his way to buy a part for his broke ass mower or gas for the weed trimmer. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:44:10 PM EDT
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Depends on how you define portable. They are wired into the car and laptop. Some models can be a completely separate laptop. there are handheld models out there, but very few agencies are going to drop that coin. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why not just use a fingerprint scanner? Seems like it would be more accurate. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:47:34 PM EDT
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Know any Germans? 
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Posted: 5/26/2019 2:52:03 PM EDT
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LE only. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So what's the app? 
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Posted: 5/26/2019 3:00:04 PM EDT
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Awhile back I posted a pic of me and a woman sitting at a club on facebook, we were not friends on facebook and were not friends of friends but facebook wanted to tag her in the pic and it prompted for her correct name with zero input from me.
Scary stuff . Too bad it did not also warn me about her. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So what’s the app?
Scary stuff . Too bad it did not also warn me about her. Going off the digital grid is becoming increasingly difficult, but it can still be done. Regarding DWLS/NVDL, the people who get caught are inevitably being stupid. Driving recklessly, driving an obviously suspicious vehicle at a suspicious time and place, driving a complete POS with major equipment violations (side view mirrors broken off, headlights missing, etc), engaged in other criminal acts, etc. If they didn't, we would never find them, outside of the very rare chance that someone else crashed into them... The illegal immigrants I've cited have pretty much always had a resigned attitude of "this is a normal cost of driving a car in the US" , and go pay their $300-500 in court fees for the criminal case. If any of them were smart enough to just carry around some driver's license from another country, it would probably confuse most cops enough to escape a ticket/arrest. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 3:58:19 PM EDT
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That's what I figured talking to my local guys, they are so busy/behind they just don't have time to sit around trying to find random people to harass. If they ever pull my record it will look like some NCIS show super Ex Special Ops guy. In reality I was a reg Army guy just on his way to buy a part for his broke ass mower or gas for the weed trimmer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Guess what, I had the exact same thing happen. Forgot my license, pulled over, plates matched my military ID that I had but I still had to go to court to provide proof that I had a drivers license. And 100% of the blame for that pain in the ass experience falls on me. OMG, take away cops cell phones and access to information while in the field because you once got pulled over and had a irritating experience due to forgetting your wallet. Were you cuffed, tased, shot? Of course not, you had a irritating experience until things were straightened out, due to your mistake. Did they cite you? Because even if the 2nd cop verified who you were, the first cop could have cited you and made you appear in court to verify that you're a licensed driver or pay a fine. So you had a irritating experience due to a minor mistake on your part but the cop did you a solid and you're still pissed? Buddy, the cops ain't the problem here. Bama shooter pulls over a guy who has no license and gives his name as Fakey McFaker but plates match Dopey McSmokey who has a record and warrants. You don't think that's PC to verify his identity? When i was stopped it was 100% my fault also, not denying that in the slightest. If you cannot see the forest for the trees in this situation, you never will. Use of this tech will only lead to its general, widespread public use/abuse in the future. That is my issue. This is just one more rung up the authoritarian ladder. You get pulled over, left your wallet at home. I get your name and date of birth, sometimes your SOC number. We enter your name and DOB into the computer, it pops up possible matches. There you are, along with your drivers license number. It says you have a valid DL number and your status is good. At this point I can use that information to issue a citation, a written warning or a verbal warning for the infraction you committed. I could also issue you a citation for not having you DL with you while driving, then you get to go see the judge and provide proof of your DL to him. Now unless you were an ass during the traffic stop I'm not going to issue that citation. There is no confusion so long as you provide your legit information. If they ever pull my record it will look like some NCIS show super Ex Special Ops guy. In reality I was a reg Army guy just on his way to buy a part for his broke ass mower or gas for the weed trimmer. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 4:09:05 PM EDT
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I guess it won't really be a problem so long as the government is populated by honest men who aren't willing to use the incredible power of the government for malicious purposes. You're right. I'm probably worrying over nothing. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 4:09:26 PM EDT
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I went camping with @Zhukov. Does that count? I mean, he's half coonass by assimilation by now so I guess it doesn't.
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Posted: 5/26/2019 7:46:50 PM EDT
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Yep. I indeed loled! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm safe until penis recognition software becomes a thing. https://y.yarn.co/b60067b9-0928-4d47-ab7f-b7dab2c8d9ff_screenshot.jpg I indeed loled! |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 8:08:24 PM EDT
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LE sensitive.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 5/26/2019 8:12:07 PM EDT
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this was built/licensed for ALEA and is more or less still in testing. it's only distro to LE. it's not a publicly available app. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Which product? It's not classified info, you know. I could find out. The biometric developer pool is not exactly huge. |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 8:16:35 PM EDT
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what is the accuracy rate on that app?
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Posted: 5/26/2019 8:19:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm told it scan pictures from the internet. So we took a picture of one of our officers who made the news. It found his picture. 
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Posted: 5/26/2019 8:21:51 PM EDT
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This thread will be great for laughs while I'm on OT tomorrow.
This is a tag.
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Posted: 5/26/2019 8:28:04 PM EDT
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Police license plate scanners already track your movements and collect data Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In 10 years, you won't be able to walk in public in any major city without having your face scanned. That's not all. . . Private companies are tracking the places our vehicles have been, all with the help of license plate scanners. The digital cameras are mounted on cars and trucks driven by a small army of repo company employees. So you pay your car note every month, no need to worry, right? Well, as it happens, as the reppo databases began to fill up, the idea arose of re-purposing all the records being collected. Freedom advocates say we should all be concerned, because once that information gets into a database, people all over the world can see the different locations where your car was photographed. Taken in the aggregate, license plate scanner data can paint an intimate portrait of a driver's life and even chill First Amendment protected activity. This tech can be used to target drivers who visit sensitive places such as health centers, law clinics, gun shops, union halls, protests, or centers of religious worship. |
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