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Posted: 5/26/2019 7:45:01 PM EST
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Probably can't force prints on a traffic stop, do they even have portable ones? |
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Posted: 5/26/2019 7:54:44 PM EST
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Why are you saying so much? Didn’t you hear that even the name of the app is LES?  Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I'm told it scan pictures from the internet. So we took a picture of one of our officers who made the news. It found his picture. |
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Posted: 5/27/2019 9:41:03 AM EST
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I was told earlier, that news of our successful deployment of the app is spreading and more LEA/LEO's are requesting access to it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 5/27/2019 9:52:15 AM EST
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I look forward to the gnashing of teeth when the same open source searching app is out on the App Store. Going to make prostitution stings a lot tougher. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 5/27/2019 5:35:35 PM EST
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If she's hot, she's a cop. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But it’s going to make undercover narc work more scary. Just remember who opened Pandora’s box when it comes. 
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Posted: 5/27/2019 8:10:24 PM EST
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Doesn’t hurt to check.
But it’s going to make undercover narc work more scary. Just remember who opened Pandora’s box when it comes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But it’s going to make undercover narc work more scary. Just remember who opened Pandora’s box when it comes. |
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Posted: 5/29/2019 12:20:56 AM EST
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thats actually a very real concern i have with this. i have gotten a LOT of false hits through that app. While most people are smart enough to recognize it they need to understand this one tool in the chain of verifying an identity not the source of truth. It's an investigation tool not an ID confirmation tool. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I personally wouldn’t want my phone subpoenad, let alone for using an APP that has not been upheld as a reliable source/case law. DL image inquiry of given name, if not same person then hook them for obstructing identification. When booking/processing use fingerprint inquiry. Add charges/complaints accordingly. Add alias given to arrest and booking form/offense report. I’m a little surprised to hear issuing citations under alias name once true ID was confirmed also. That’s how innocent people with the same information given by the ID (or close enough) get warrants for failing to appear in court. Good work digging, but be mindful of the 4th amendment with using personally owned equipment/technology and taking of photos. Too many false-positives means the match score threshold needs to be adjusted. It's usually a simple configuration setting. They were probably running it in demo mode and forgot to set it back to production mode. In demo mode, you want to show a lot of hits to impress the customers. |
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Posted: 5/29/2019 12:24:15 AM EST
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Kinda cool, kinda scary. That said, I am gonna guess that shitbag would have been taking a ride regardless (no license, failure to prove identity) or some such. |
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Posted: 5/29/2019 12:25:36 AM EST
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You'd think police would want to make the source code public, so taxpayers could audit it and see how accurate, effective and unbiased it is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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this was built/licensed for ALEA and is more or less still in testing. it's only distro to LE. it's not a publicly available app. Never going to happen. The core code is patented and often licensed by the app makers. IOW, the guys that wrote the app licensed the biometric matching code from one of the handful of companies that write the core biometric encoders and matchers. The app writers don't have access to that code and never will. Few biometric app companies write that core code. And if it's a small company or start-up, it's even less likely. |
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Posted: 5/29/2019 12:26:35 AM EST
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But one of the requirements of Real ID is that the photo must be capable of being read by facial recognition software. They are clearly creating a better database. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That has been happening for a long time. You got a DL, Govt. ID, passport? You're already in the system. |
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Posted: 5/29/2019 12:29:23 AM EST
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Proliferation of facial scanning has made me wonder about picking up some small IR emitting LEDs and doing some experiments with a ballcap to see how hard it would be to blind said cameras. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/As-the-fiction-of-Minority-Report-becomes-reality-protect-your-eyeballs/5-2033317/ |
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Posted: 5/29/2019 12:40:56 AM EST
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I can only assume the app developers don't have access to the state DL/ID pics because they don't have clearance to be in that data base. So they have to use open sources on the internet. The pic that ID'd my fellow officer came from the news media not social media. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Back on subject, I gotta say that using a leo app to search social media pics is pretty disturbing, from a privacy rights perspective. The software and the process it uses would be the same, why didn't they think to restrict it to driver's license photos and mugshots only to alleviate privacy concerns? I mean honestly, probably over 90% of the people a cop would have to independently verify their ID, there would be a mugshot or driver's license photo of that person. It seems more efficient to restrict the software to a smaller pool of photos to search from. Bama shooter, I'm not criticizing what you did. I think it's kind of cool. But I think the app is overly Broad in the sources that searches and that raises privacy concerns. So they have to use open sources on the internet. The pic that ID'd my fellow officer came from the news media not social media. |
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Posted: 5/29/2019 12:44:03 AM EST
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What if I told you there is no source code? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is source code. The app developers may or may not have access to it. That part is true. |
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Posted: 5/29/2019 12:46:01 AM EST
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Military stuff does not show up in our data base. Just DL status, citations, written warnings, criminal charges and warrants. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Guess what, I had the exact same thing happen. Forgot my license, pulled over, plates matched my military ID that I had but I still had to go to court to provide proof that I had a drivers license. And 100% of the blame for that pain in the ass experience falls on me. OMG, take away cops cell phones and access to information while in the field because you once got pulled over and had a irritating experience due to forgetting your wallet. Were you cuffed, tased, shot? Of course not, you had a irritating experience until things were straightened out, due to your mistake. Did they cite you? Because even if the 2nd cop verified who you were, the first cop could have cited you and made you appear in court to verify that you're a licensed driver or pay a fine. So you had a irritating experience due to a minor mistake on your part but the cop did you a solid and you're still pissed? Buddy, the cops ain't the problem here. Bama shooter pulls over a guy who has no license and gives his name as Fakey McFaker but plates match Dopey McSmokey who has a record and warrants. You don't think that's PC to verify his identity? When i was stopped it was 100% my fault also, not denying that in the slightest. If you cannot see the forest for the trees in this situation, you never will. Use of this tech will only lead to its general, widespread public use/abuse in the future. That is my issue. This is just one more rung up the authoritarian ladder. You get pulled over, left your wallet at home. I get your name and date of birth, sometimes your SOC number. We enter your name and DOB into the computer, it pops up possible matches. There you are, along with your drivers license number. It says you have a valid DL number and your status is good. At this point I can use that information to issue a citation, a written warning or a verbal warning for the infraction you committed. I could also issue you a citation for not having you DL with you while driving, then you get to go see the judge and provide proof of your DL to him. Now unless you were an ass during the traffic stop I'm not going to issue that citation. There is no confusion so long as you provide your legit information. If they ever pull my record it will look like some NCIS show super Ex Special Ops guy. In reality I was a reg Army guy just on his way to buy a part for his broke ass mower or gas for the weed trimmer. |
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Posted: 5/29/2019 8:33:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @The_Beer_Slayer Too many false-positives means the match score threshold needs to be adjusted. It's usually a simple configuration setting. They were probably running it in demo mode and forgot to set it back to production mode. In demo mode, you want to show a lot of hits to impress the customers. |
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Posted: 5/29/2019 8:51:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @GreyHat Never going to happen. The core code is patented and often licensed by the app makers. IOW, the guys that wrote the app licensed the biometric matching code from one of the handful of companies that write the core biometric encoders and matchers. The app writers don't have access to that code and never will. Few biometric app companies write that core code. And if it's a small company or start-up, it's even less likely. |
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Posted: 5/30/2019 10:38:43 PM EST
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Kind of a dumb name for a facial recognition app. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 5/30/2019 10:49:19 PM EST
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Sounds cool 
Don't taze me Bama!
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Posted: 6/1/2019 5:51:01 PM EST
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Do you guys have a separate database of suspects you have printed and photographed that has not been uploaded to AFIS? Just for your own use? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 6/1/2019 6:00:21 PM EST
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I knew that was coming. The use of social media, facial recognition, and software to form the "webs" of interactions are killer apps for law enforcement. 
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Posted: 6/1/2019 11:50:45 PM EST
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iirc this was "written" by the same bunch that setup MOVE for LE in alabama. it is a non profit bunch out of UA. from what i have seen they are really not "writing" much more than front ends for other apps. i seriously doubt there is much intensive coding and magic algorithms behind this. most like just a image search call to a regular search engine. it really is that basic from what i see. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: @The_Beer_Slayer Too many false-positives means the match score threshold needs to be adjusted. It's usually a simple configuration setting. They were probably running it in demo mode and forgot to set it back to production mode. In demo mode, you want to show a lot of hits to impress the customers. The only biometric that comes close to a 100% match is iris. However, face can give a 100% match if, and only if, the probe image is identical to the enrolled image. For instance, the enrolled image is a person's driver's license image and that same image is used for the probe image and both the probe and enrollment image were encoded by the same match template encoder. All this is unlikely in real life, so they let the customer decide what score should be considered a match score. This is why I say that should be an option that your outfit can configure. |
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Posted: 6/1/2019 11:58:14 PM EST
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If it's the software I asked about earlier in the thread, it's basically a front-end for Microsoft's Facial Recognition API. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: @GreyHat Never going to happen. The core code is patented and often licensed by the app makers. IOW, the guys that wrote the app licensed the biometric matching code from one of the handful of companies that write the core biometric encoders and matchers. The app writers don't have access to that code and never will. Few biometric app companies write that core code. And if it's a small company or start-up, it's even less likely. In any case, the source code is never released. One of the companies I worked for kept the source code on a laptop in a kind of poor man's SCIF. It had electromagnetic shielding and heavy security. The room had a chair, a table, a server for encrypted off-site backups and the laptop for working on the code. The plaintext source code never left the room because the laptop never left the room. There was no WiFi and network access other than the server. That's how paranoid they were about their core biometric IP being stolen. |
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Posted: 6/1/2019 11:59:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just ask to see them titties first as a preview. If she flashes them she’s GTG. If she doesn’t keep walking. Chick came by and flashed her meadow muffins, buddy's wife and mine laughed |
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Posted: 6/2/2019 12:07:21 AM EST
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We have a shared data base with other LEA's that use the same software for writing reports, arrests etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 6/2/2019 1:11:46 AM EST
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