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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:08:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which is why strictly just 2700 tons of Ammonium nitrate doesn't seem very plausible. That's enough to make a huge explosion. But this was like a tactical nuke level explosion. 2700 tons amonium nitrate is tactical nuke level. Thats over 5 million pounds btw. This guy on twitter is saying half kiloton blast, so that 2700tons might be accurate with a 50% yield on the nitrate going off: [tweet]https://twitter.com/ArmsControlWonk/status/1290722801012228096?s=20[/tweet] |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:11:29 PM EST
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I don't know what to think, but according to this Nuclear Blast Radius Calculator it takes an explosion of 100KT to shatter glass at 10KM. The GBU-43/B MOAB has a blast yield of 11 tons TNT and doesn't hold a candle to the explosion in Beirut. Explosion of 100 tons of TNT does not hold a candle to the Beirut explosion either |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:12:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 2700 tons amonium nitrate is tactical nuke level. Thats over 5 million pounds btw. This guy on twitter is saying half kiloton blast, so that 2700tons might be accurate with a 50% yield on the nitrate going off: [tweet]https://twitter.com/ArmsControlWonk/status/1290722801012228096?s=20[/tweet] In comparison, I was reading that: Tianjin was a 3 ton and a 21 ton TNT equivalent explosion West Texas was a 7.5-10 ton TNT explosion. Texas City was a 2.7kT explosion So it dwarfs the recent explosions but still wasn't as large as Texas City. Still.....holy shit. I'm guessing the death toll will be climbing for days. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:13:04 PM EST
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the zhockwave is simply visible because the pressure caused condensation of water vapor
ni ligh t visibel fire so not a nuke & no fireworks or gasoline involved |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:14:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know what to think, but according to this Nuclear Blast Radius Calculator it takes an explosion of 100KT to shatter glass at 10KM. Nukes put a lot more of their energy into thermal than ammonium nitrate does. Not an apples to apples comparison. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:15:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting if true. Would not go well for Hezbollah. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:17:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: BREAKING: Al-Arabiya news network reports that the #BeirutBlast was in an ammunition warehouse belonging to the Hezbollah terrorist organization. BREAKING: Major Gen. Abbas Ibrahim, director of General Security, tells Lebanese media most likely cause of massive & devastating blast in central #Beirut involves incident at depot in port where highly explosive materials had been stored. He dismissed #Israel rocket theory. Would not be surprised. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:17:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh for sure. I think a lot of people can handle simple first aid scenarios and people bleeding, but seeing someone torn to pieces and smeared on the road and bodies behind them is definitely a different level of crisis that many people wouldn't be mentally prepared for. Like you said, something our society doesn't deal with. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Probably nothing they have never seen before. I think we (western culture) are the only people traumatized by seeing death. Sudden, tragic death is so much more commonplace in the rest of the world that I think many are conditioned to it. "Not me or anybody I know, carry on" If that had happened in the US, nobody would be wandering around that area shooting video with their phones and stepping over dead bodies to have a looksee. Oh for sure. I think a lot of people can handle simple first aid scenarios and people bleeding, but seeing someone torn to pieces and smeared on the road and bodies behind them is definitely a different level of crisis that many people wouldn't be mentally prepared for. Like you said, something our society doesn't deal with. In the one video it sounded like the person filming was crying. Bet that person is in shock and, honestly, "walk around with your phone" is a pretty base level instinct these days. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:18:29 PM EST
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:19:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryAll of those hi rises have to be brought down. Wow. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:20:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: AN leaves a lighter brown cloud, AP is usually leaves a darker cloud in large quantities. The sun being lower in the sky could making it look different too.. How do you know so much about explosive clouds? Are you a wizard? 
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:21:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn, looks like a woman. Also looks like she was impaled by something?, her stomach looks like it was burst open.  EDIT: Looking at the videos a couple of more times, I don't think its the same car. The first video does not show any blood in the interior and the second video that show the aftermath shows the drivers stomach burst open with blood everywhere. Overpressure over-pressures pressurized cavities |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:21:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 2700 tons amonium nitrate is tactical nuke level. Thats over 5 million pounds btw. This guy on twitter is saying half kiloton blast, so that 2700tons might be accurate with a 50% yield on the nitrate going off: [tweet]https://twitter.com/ArmsControlWonk/status/1290722801012228096?s=20[/tweet] It looked like several kilotons. A rough estimate from video estimates places it at like 15kt. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:22:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wouldn't doubt for a second if it was a storage warehouse or ship that went up with "materials" either in storage or transit to "places." Likely to hezbollah or stored from Syria. Nothing is of coincidence in the middle east. Nothing. Happy birthday Barrack ! from your friends in the ME |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:22:44 PM EST
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:23:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416227/668AB843-426C-4E61-A33B-D89C52C584F9_jpe-1532834.JPG Grain silos appear to be intact. Those are usually made out of thick reinforced concrete right? Absolutely. If you wanna know where to go in the event of a catastrophic tornado, that's the place to be. Remember the EF-5 that hit Greensburg, KS?  Hell, a multi-kiloton blast just went off right next to one, and it's still standing. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:24:20 PM EST
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I am guessing death toll will be staggering
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:25:49 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It looked like several kilotons. A rough estimate from video estimates places it at like 15kt. Extraordinary blast, if anywhere near accurate estimate. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:27:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:27:59 PM EST
[#20]
Wow. President just said it looks like an attack after getting input from his generals. Not industrial accident.
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:28:08 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I keep watching different videos. Shit is crazy. correct me if im wrong (in a civilian) but is there any non-nuclear device that could make an explosion like that? im guess no. ammonium nitrate will probably be a player in this disaster. as soon as i heard about it i though of the texas city disaster. i wonder if that blast was bigger than something like a davy crocket nuke or artillery nuke. the videos of that explosion is downright horrifying. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:30:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nukes put a lot more of their energy into thermal than ammonium nitrate does. Not an apples to apples comparison. The relative effectiveness factor of Ammonium nitrate is .42, so you would need more than twice that amount of Ammonium nitrate. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:31:56 PM EST
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Left abandoned 6 years? Isn't AN fertilizer expensive and in demand for farming?
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:32:20 PM EST
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I've heard the ship had 2750 tons of ANFO.
And there's grain silos near it. Say it all goes off and you'd get the following overpressure and blast damage. Heavy blast damage radius (20 psi): 1,000 ft (0.11 mi²) At 20 psi overpressure, heavily built concrete buildings are severely damaged or demolished; fatalities approach 100%. Often used as a benchmark for heavy damage in cities. Moderate blast damage radius (5 psi): 2,100 ft (0.5 mi²) At 5 psi overpressure, most residential buildings collapse, injuries are universal, fatalities are widespread. The chances of a fire starting in commercial and residential damage are high, and buildings so damaged are at high risk of spreading fire. Often used as a benchmark for moderate damage in cities. Light blast damage radius (1 psi): 1.02 mi (3.3 mi²) At a around 1 psi overpressure, glass windows can be expected to break. This can cause many injuries in a surrounding population who comes to a window after seeing the flash of a nuclear explosion (which travels faster than the pressure wave). Often used as a benchmark for light damage in cities. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:34:49 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow. President just said it looks like an attack after getting input from his generals. Not industrial accident. Lebanese Civil War II? How have the factions been getting along lately? |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:36:48 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow. President just said it looks like an attack after getting input from his generals. Not industrial accident. Trump? |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:37:27 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lebanese Civil War II? How have the factions been getting along lately? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wow. President just said it looks like an attack after getting input from his generals. Not industrial accident. Lebanese Civil War II? How have the factions been getting along lately? Don’t know. Watching trump press conference and first question was about explosion. Trump did not mince words nor waver. Us gov knows something. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:37:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump? “Looks like a terrible attack,” Trump said, appearing to look up from notes on his podium. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:37:57 PM EST
[#29]
Trump said moments ago during his presser that “generals, great generals” believe that the Beirut explosion was “an attack” and not a warehouse accident.
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:38:31 PM EST
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:38:32 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hazardous materials? Like radiation? I know it likely isn't but that looks (in my mind) what a low yield nuke going off would look like. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:
Hazardous materials? Like radiation? I know it likely isn't but that looks (in my mind) what a low yield nuke going off would look like. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:39:58 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That WASN'T fireworks. Black powder doesn't have that kind of blast propagation. Fireworks might have started it, but did not create that massive explosion. he is right you know |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:40:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wow. President just said it looks like an attack after getting input from his generals. Not industrial accident. Trump? Yes. He is our president. Remember he has access to intel way above our level. It caught me off guard that he flat out said the consensus was it was an attack and not accident. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:41:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump said moments ago during his presser that “generals, great generals” believe that the Beirut explosion was “an attack” and not a warehouse accident. This! Paging Susan Rice to the Mic. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:41:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: geez that looks like something out of hollywood... Quote HistoryHoly crap! The death toll will be in the hundreds. Fox reporting that the blast was felt in Cyprus 140 miles away. 
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:41:51 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That explosion was as close to nuclear as you’re gonna see. Amazing |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:41:55 PM EST
[#37]
What ever happened to all of the WMD's that were shipped out of Iraq?
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:43:03 PM EST
[#38]
So a granddaddy of IED's?
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:43:11 PM EST
[#39]
Shockwave/blast of West, TX explosion which was estimated as 270 tons of ammonium nitrate and 55 tons of anhydrous ammonia (Wikipedia) was much smaller than Beirut.
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:44:13 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump said moments ago during his presser that “generals, great generals” believe that the Beirut explosion was “an attack” and not a warehouse accident.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:45:19 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Shockwave/blast of West, TX explosion which was estimated as 270 tons of ammonium nitrate and 55 tons of anhydrous ammonia (Wikipedia) was much smaller than Beirut. looks like a firecracker compared to the Beirut explosion. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:45:25 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What ever happened to all of the WMD's that were shipped out of Iraq? Stored on a pier in Beirut up until today. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:46:56 PM EST
[#43]
 Huge Blast Rocks Lebanon’s Capital Beirut |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:47:27 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So that shit has been just sitting there for SEVEN years?  I'm sure lawyers are just drooling over this. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eel-oRNWoAkPAV7?format=png&name=large So that shit has been just sitting there for SEVEN years? I'm sure lawyers are just drooling over this. 5.5 million tons of AN sitting in a warehouse for 7 years. Who's paying the rent on that SOB? What "official" made that call? Holy shit. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:48:43 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It looked like several kilotons. A rough estimate from video estimates places it at like 15kt. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 2700 tons amonium nitrate is tactical nuke level. Thats over 5 million pounds btw. This guy on twitter is saying half kiloton blast, so that 2700tons might be accurate with a 50% yield on the nitrate going off: [tweet]https://twitter.com/ArmsControlWonk/status/1290722801012228096?s=20[/tweet] It looked like several kilotons. A rough estimate from video estimates places it at like 15kt. That would make much more sense than half a kiloton. I’m no scientist, but I’m guessing it takes a lot more than half a kiloton to register a 3.3 on a seismometer. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:51:34 PM EST
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for any dry powder chemical to high order detonate like that it must be packed tight I think there were military explosives involver that is not a fertilizer bomb
the nation the vessel was flagged with will tell us alot |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:52:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And, if that explosion had been an airburst a thousand or so feet above the ground, the damage would have been far, far worse. Why is it that airbursts (nuclear and otherwise) cause so much more damage than a ground detonation? I’ve never really seen that explained well. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:53:28 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lebanese Civil War II? How have the factions been getting along lately? I think the Muslims took everyone else out over the years. Most likely Iran arming Hezbollah or other similar groups. Small attacks on the border fence have begun in recent days. That usually is the precursor to a larger escalation. Knowing only what were see in the videos, I would guess either there was an accident in unloading the ship or they got hit by the Hebrew Hammer. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:54:12 PM EST
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:55:42 PM EST
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Hezbollah fucking around with a dirty bomb? I would assume rad meters will tell if it was a nuke?
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