I hate the idea of Trump as president but somehow the thought of him as speaker makes me smile.

They'd never get the votes though.

I’m not the one making definitive claims of harm to the R majority in the House as a result of merely ousting McCarthy.

Gaetz made the move because he was sick of McCarthy’s shit, and believed he’d been betrayed.

They don't understand how it works and are militantly resistant to even attempting to understand DC. They think randomly throwing bombs in all directions will suddenly overcome a slim majority and pickup seats in 2024. And, somehow, have convinced themselves that they're going to interrupt Ukraine funding by deposing McCarthy. When, in fact, Ukraine funding in the eventual omnibus will likely be significantly higher than what McCarthy might've been able to limit it to.

I'd say bookmark this thread and revisit in about 13 months but I'm not convinced they can truly grasp what's about to take place.

There's zero McCarthy fans in this thread but somehow a significant number of posters here are convinced those of us who think the GOP just sabotaged a slim electorate are secretly Kevin's best friends and confidantes.

I don't give two shits about McCarthy. He's everything that is wrong with politics. But, it doesn't mean that self-immolating the current majority and sabotaging the 2024 election is a preferable outcome to keeping him hemmed in by threats and leverage. But, whatever.

If you can find an interview with Tim Pool from back when they were trying to vote McCarthy leader of the house.  Matt Gaetz did say first day in Dc the Rhinos have you scheduled to attend meetings and dinners with lobbyists  and pair you up based on your location...

I voted for him and I approve of what he did today

I'm just slamming a few more drinks & maybe a quick bang of a stewardess while it all spirals down to the Big Crash

People who want to be and will eventually be in McCarthy’s position just got sent a message. One that will endure well beyond 2024 and is more important than that one election cycle.

And, you’re still making a mountain of assumptions about what effect (if any) this will have on the 2024 election.

There is no plan…this is High School B.S. How many times are they going to vote to get new speaker? You got 8 Rep. and all Democrats to vacate. Who is new Speaker…zero plan.

Death throw of Trumptardism. They are so dumb they don't see how badly outplayed by the Dems they got.

As opposed to the well-oiled plan they had when McCarthy was voted in the first time?

All it takes is 5 purple Republicans to side with Democrats to elect a Democrat speaker (Hakeem Jeffries), or a D-friendly Republican.

"Not possible!" you might say. No, it was 100% impossible when the Speaker position was filled.

Are we going to go another 15 votes with no Speaker elected? What happens if the next shutdown looms closer and there is no speaker? Maybe those purple Republicans start to consider the overtures of the Democrats.

...or maybe they don't, and the government shuts down and it is (correctly) blamed on the GOP who couldn't get their own house in order.

Of course, there's no chance that could have repercussions in 2024.


Best case is we end up with a Speaker who doesn't want the job, like Jordan. Worst case is we end up with a Speaker who does want the job, like Jeffries. Either way, the odds of repercussions in 2024 are not 0.

Yeah, this.   Matt Gaetz is a patriot.   Glad he succeeded.   Fuck compromising with Dims.  The only compromising they ever do is when they force decent folks to do it their way.

Fortune favors the bold.

And it's time to start making some bold moves, because being "Careful" and playing the game is just getting us a steady diet of losing territory every week, month, year, and election cycle.

Exactly, anybody who'd team up with Democrats should be voted out of Congress!!!!

Literally everything you just wrote is baseless nonsense.

If any R member votes for a D speaker, then he deserves to lose in 2024 and will. Which is why that won’t happen.

If Geraldo is against him, he's a fucking hero in my book.



Look, what Gaetz did today was select the hottest button issue the Dems AND RINOs are on about (Funneling money to Ukraine) and jam his dick in it to stop the machine.  

Politics as usual be damned, it's about time somebody just said FUCK IT and gored their motherfucking ox.  I would give up a lot of ground on other issues to deny the fucking Dems and Swamp Rat RINOs the money to give to their fucking pet foreign country.  It's a hill worth dying on.

Just my opinion.

Really? Because Republicans currently control SCOTUS, Ds have never been more unpopular, Rs are on the winning side of a host of issues (family, trans, woke), Rs have never been more trusted to handle the economy since '91 and are in the catbird seat going into 2024.

But now's time for "bold moves" where the outcome is completely unknown?

Two smug traitors were kicked out of their offices today.  America won.

When we are shoveling TRILLIONS of freshly printed dollars at some shithole country that our politicians corrupted, just because it's their pet grift?  FUCK YES now is the time.

Biden district Republicans running for reelection could campaign off of voting for a centrist speaker. Again, 18 of those.

Retiring members might relish the chance to stick it to Gaetz.

You haven't thought this thru.

400+ reps. Doesn't take much for a few to say F it or retire. Not to mention the hounding from service members and family members about not getting paychecks. The govt will be shutdown for months imo. A ton of those servicemen and women are from Red states.

Careful what you wish for.

Republicans sent spending bills to the Senate to:

? Fund our military (DoD Approps)
? Secure our border (Homeland Approps)
? Help our vets (MilconVA)
? Keep America strong abroad (State and Foreign Ops)

And the Senate has done NOTHING...
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Rep. Nancy Mace  (@RepNancyMace) September 30, 2023

I would also add the House has already sent the Senate 70% of govt spending already with the first 4 approps bills. And the Senate hasn’t acted. So if there’s a shutdown, blame Schumer for playing political games and not following our own laws.

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Rep. Nancy Mace  (@RepNancyMace) September 30, 2023

This is what Nancy Mace was singing just 4 days ago.

What did Gaetz promise her to change her tune?

"Best case is we end up with a Speaker who doesn't want the job like Jordan. Worst case is Jeffries. Either way, the odds of repercussions in 2024 are not 0." That's baseless nonsense?

I think you're in a bad mood and should step away for a while. You're usually not intellectually dishonest.

That’s obvious, doing nothing isn’t going to change that trajectory.

I am quoting your post:

"Every single Republican that voted to keep McCarthy is a spineless RINO and I hope they all get primaried by true conservatives."

Currently, there are 18 Republicans from districts that Biden won. There are 221 Republicans in the 118th Congress. 212 Democrats.

Cook forecasts that in 2024 there are 18 Lean GOP seats and 16 toss-up GOP seats.

You stated you want every Republican who voted to keep McCarthy (210 Republicans) to be primaried by what you characterize as a "true Conservative."

If we take your desire through the paces, at minimum, there would be 34 GOP lean/toss-up seats in which you want to throw away the numerous advantages of incumbency. Everything from their fund-raising apparatus to their name recognition and the plethora of other incumbent advantages.

In 2022, Congressional incumbents had a win rate of 98%.

You are stating you much prefer to place unknown politicians in toss-up/lean GOP seats instead of accepting a 98% incumbency advantage. We're not talking about RINOs, bad GOP Reps, etc. You stated ANYONE who voted to keep McCarthy. All 210 of them.

In the world you desire, the GOP would be lucky to keep even a fraction of the lean GOP/toss-up seats. I think it would be incredibly fair to say that the 18 GOP Reps from districts Biden won would be as good as gone. That would give Democrats 228 seats. You would likely loss at least half of the lean GOP seats. That's another 8-9 seats. Let's be fair and only take the Democrats to 236 seats.

Now, it must be considered that if you remove so many long-time incumbents (there's a lot of them among the 210 who backed McCarthy) you're going to have quite a few upsets. 188 GOP seats are considered safe according to Cook. That doesn't mean it's an R +22 district it simply means a combination of the political demographics plus the strength of the existing GOP incumbent.

If even 10% of those safe seats are lost then that's another 18-19 lost GOP seats. That would take the Democrats to 254-255 seats.

I wasn't talking out of my ass, friend. I pay close attention to this stuff because having GOP control of the government is literally the only thing even slightly keeping this country from falling into the abyss.

If you've suffered such a bad electoral year that you've lost 45 seats to the Dems then losing 50 seats is ABSOLUTELY within the realm of possibilities. So, yeah, your idea of primarying 210 GOP incumbents with whomever the hell you prefer is likely to end in an absolute electoral shellacking.

I don't think you've thought this through. Do you know know how many of that 210 GOP Reps ran unopposed in a primary? And then in a general? By the way, when you have to blow all your funds on a primary you've got scant resources for the general. Just another reason why your idea of primarying all 210 incumbents is too cute by half.

Personally, I think we need more competitive primaries and unopposed primary races are a total joke and part of the reason why we're in the predicament we're in. However, you have to be selective about it. If you truly want a serious primary challenge to all 210 McCarthy supporters then you're going to have hundreds of untested candidates. Losing 40-50 seats in such an environment would absolutely be an expectation.

"Des Moines, you are on the line, go ahead."

• In what universe does the Speaker getting ousted explicitly due to violating a deal with a faction in his caucus count as "randomly throwing bombs"? McCarthy fucked around and found out.
• A leaderless majority in the House at this time is a disaster for the appropriations process, especially when the Pentagon is screaming that the existing funds appropriated by Congress for Ukraine aren't enough. This is precisely why all you government shills are mobbing the thread; the money is in jeopardy.
• You all got reminded tonight how unpopular you are. No normal American wants more money for Ukraine and trillions more debt. Your weird declaration about House seat changes in November 2024 (a presidential election year) due to a House leadership shuffle in 2023 is laugable.

Bookmark the thread all you want, this moaning about McCarthy reminds me when Eric Cantor got primaried years ago, and how there was an immediate chorus of experts proclaiming that it was a disaster and was going to hurt the GOP.

Put Ukraine funding to a straight up or down vote and an overwhelming majority of the GOP reps will vote for it

Isn't that what Gaetz wanted, too? Straight votes on individual funding proposals?

Or do you want it in an omnibus bill in this case so that a whopping 8 reps can try and make deals about it?

I sense some flip flopping here...

What about the one eyed butt pirate from Texas?

Gaetz is trying to derail an ethics investigation into the mountain of Venmos he sent a convicted felon to pay for hookers and drugs, along with trips to Caribbean islands with campaign donors - and hookers - for whom he later did favors. Among other things. All the "regular order" shit is a smokescreen.

Government drones don't give two shits about McCarthy. The money is coming regardless. This isn't going to do anything but give fed workers some time to plan a free vacation in November.

Just a circus for the credulous, as usual.

I've asked multiple times already. What deal did McCarthy violate? Be specific. I don't know how many more ways I can ask.

As far as Cantor is concerned, he lost back in 2014. 4 years later GOP incumbents lost 32 seats while Democrats only lost 2. Are you somehow unaware of the GOP losing 41 seats in 2018 and giving Dems and Pelosi back control of the House? Ironically, Dave Brat, who beat Cantor, lost to a Democrat that year. That was a safe GOP since the 1970 election. Brat primaried Cantor and within 4 years the Dems took the seat and haven't looked back yet.

How does the GOP throwing away a safe seat they held for 48 years confirm your argument?

The agreement Gaetz made with McCarthy during the Speaker election earlier this year. Doesn't matter if it was a verbal one; McCarthy broke it thinking that Gaetz was bluffing and he paid the price. All that babbling about VA, and you don't know that Brat got redistricted. Like I said, you guys have no place making declarations about how 2024 House races are going to go.



McCarthy got ousted in an unprecedented fashion, and you all are trying to claim that this is somehow a loss for Gaetz, saying he's been outwitted by taking out the Speaker of the House

Report: Biden Administration ‘Scrambling’ to Assure Allies that Ukraine Aid Will Continue

FJB.

He put on a solo master class on how to deal with Rinos and legacy media.  That ain't easy.  He bested 100 Rinos with in your face reality.

I am sending him money.  I would vote for him if I could

I would not loan that guy my lawn mower.  And the Republican party burning to the ground will simply accelerate the inevitable.

@OP

Cry more

I am all for an up/down vote on pissing more money away in Ukraine and edging toward WW3.

And similar votes on about 100 other ways to piss money away.

Your premise is a Rino is preferable to a Democrat.

Your premise is flawed.

Meh.  You dish it out when you're never trumping, but you can't take it.  Figures.

Getting them on record in this way will be a god metric for judging them for 2024

Gaetz isnt a traitor . McCarthy is a California RINO who shouldn't have gotten the speaker job in the 1st place . Nothing good comes out of California anymore.

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I don't really care for Gaetz very much.  He is a grandstanding attention seeker with no real plan beyond constantly shouting "NO" at the top of his lungs.  That doesn't make him a traitor though and if McCarthy did make promises for regular order and specific votes and backed out on them  (even if those would have gone down in flames) giving him the boot was justified.  

I think forcing out McCarthy will have absolutely no effect on the 2024 election.  

The potential upside of this shitshow is that it may make the next GOP speaker (if they are even from the GOP) spend less time trying to figure out how to leverage Democrat support to fuck over the Republican base and more time trying to promote conservative policies.  None of those policies have a snowball's chance in hell of going anywhere but at least it will put out a marker that if you elect Republicans they will make more than a half hearted attempt to speak for their constituents.

My biggest concern at the moment is who exactly is going be be willing to accept the Speaker job?  No one other than McCarthy even wanted the job in the first place. Whomever the Speaker is, they will be handed a shit sandwich of a disorganized, fractured, razor thin GOP majority facing a lock-step voting Democrat minority.

RINOs aren’t conservatives. I’m to the point now that slim majorities are simply Band-Aids on a severed limb. We do need some bold actions and we need more radical, bold (actual) constitutional conservatives who aren’t prostitutes to lobbyists and bedfellows with Marxist democrats.

Gaetz is doing exactly what 99.87% of GD always bitches about, that nobody does anything, and when somebody takes bold action they fucking capitulate, waffle, and get scared about “losing”. Here’s a hint: we haven’t been winning shit in a long time. I think most Americans with two braincells are starting to understand the Uniparty and the how much they’re getting fucked regardless of Marxist democrats or RINOs in leadership. It’s time to dump a little tea into the RINO cesspool, give the finger to the establishment, and get enough radicals in congress to start bitch-slapping the American-hating democrats. Decorum needs to die.

Statesmanship is a losing strategy. Compromising at the expense of the American taxpayer needs to come to an end. Negotiating with the enemy (democrats) should be verboten. Tolerating RINOs should be punished, it’s time for actual conservative radicals to go RINO hunting and start putting heads on stakes. I want fighters not compromisers…politics needs to get as ugly as our economy, border, crime stats, inflation, and corrupt bureaucracies.

ROCK6

They’re going to campaign as a Republican after voting for Jeffries as speaker?

And I’m the one who hasn’t thought it through?

Rush always said, compromising with Dems means, They get what they want, ,and we cave.

I never wrote that. You literally re-typed somebody else’s post (didn’t quote anyone) then went on a rant.

The rest of your post is sophomoric assumptions and putting words in my mouth.

Fear fear fear fear!!!  Omgahawd fear!!!  

Fuck it, let's roll

R voters were getting played hard before trump.

The only difference now is that they see it, but now they're scapegoating one guy even it's the whole damn party.