Why would you move to Hawaii, of all places?

The most anti-2A state in the nation.

That is nowhere close to being true, as someone who lives in a state contiguous to New York AND New Jersey should know

Stumpy legs and a fat ass.

I'll pass.

Wait, what?  

Are you saying there is no inter-island ferry or cruise ships operating anywhere in Hawaii or just to a particular island?

Because that implies that the only way to travel between islands is by aircraft which consume fuckloads of fuel and I really can't see that being more efficient than shipping.

I'm currently sitting in the airport on Maui waiting for my flight home to the Big Island and it is a madhouse.  They are announcing boarding for flights that were scheduled for yesterday.  Very few locals, mostly tourists.

Both Hawaiian and Southwest have added a half dozen flights to Oahu to get people out of here.

In a field next to the airport there are hundreds of rental vehicles lined up in rows bumper to bumper and they continue to park more and more as they get turned in.  Reminds me of the early days of Covid when tourism was basically shut down.

No passenger ferries between the islands but there are a few cruise ships

I thought there was a ferry from Maui to Molokai, but that’s the only one I remember.  And admittedly it’s been a ,long time since I lived in the islands so that may have changed (although I’m moving back).  It’s like $100 to fly between the islands normally, and beyond the aforementioned relationship between Maui and Molokai, the islands aren’t super close (well. among inhabited islands).  It’s something like 26 miles from Oahu to Molokai, which I think is second closest.

How do you move heavy freight/vehicles between islands?

Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez will donate $100 million to help Maui wildfire victims


Maui's richest part-time resident Jeff Bezos and his partner Lauren Sanchez have said they will donate $100 million to help victims of the Maui wildfires.

In a statement issued by Sanchez, she said: 'Jeff and I are heartbroken by what's happening in Maui. We are thinking of all the families that have lost so much and a community that has been left devastated.

'The immediate needs are important, and so is the longer term rebuilding that will have to happen, even after much of the attention has subsided.


'Jeff are I are creating a Maui fund and are dedicating $100 million to help Maui get back on its feet now and over the coming years as the continuing needs reveal themselves.'






Bezos' fiancée Lauren Sanchez posted on Instagram that the fires were 'breaking her heart' prior to their announcement.

The Amazon CEO, 59, owns three-building estate on La Perouse Bay on Valley Isle in Maui worth an estimated $78million.

With a net worth of $162billion, he is the third richest man in the world.

Oprah, worth $2.5billion, owns nearly 2,000 acres of land on Maui and has been living there part-time for 15 years. It's unclear if any of her land was damaged.

She bought up the most recent parcel - 860 acres - in March this year for $6.6million. Aerosmith's Steven Tyler also has a home on the island, as does Owen Wilson and Clint Eastwood.

The fire in Maui is the worst natural disaster to have hit Hawaii since a tsunami killed 61 people in 1960. If the death toll continues to rise, as it is expected, it will surpass that grim record to become the deadliest.

It is also on pace to become the deadliest wildfire in recent US history. Over the last 100 years, only the Camp fire in California claimed more lives than have been counted so far, with 68 victims in total.

One thousand people remain unaccounted for in Maui after Tuesday's catastrophic fire that has so far claimed 55. The death toll is expected to rise as search teams go through homes, or what is left of them, looking for victims.

When the fire torched Lahaina, a town on the island,cell phone towers were incinerated along with every other structure.

It means that the town remains without phone service, and there is no internet, water, or power either and, crucially, that rescue teams cannot get in to help.

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There is a Lahaina - lanai ferry and when I lived there a ferry from Lahaina to Molokai

Problem is both those islands depend on Lahaina, so those ferry’s are useless now
The other islands have no ferry’s, it’s all aircraft

Fuck bezos but at least he's helping. 100 mil is a lot of money.

Barges
And the routes suck, for the most part most stuff arrives in Honolulu by boat, ends up on other boats then travels to other islands, the process isn’t fast, back when I lived on lanai milk hit the shelf the day before it expired, and you paid a lot for it

Logistics suck there, always have.

You don’t understand the scale of that project, there’s no incentive to improve that road, it’s just not gonna happen.
Especially not when rebuilding the city is the priority
The poli highway will work just fine for transfer of goods from middle of the island.

Hawaii might fly the American flag, and be in every way part of the first world, but the state is ran like a 3rd world country in countless ways
And I mean that extends to police, fire, city, county, state etc etc

It’s just different there in so many ways.

I’m getting ready to meet up with a convoy, grabbed fuel tanks from the project I’m working on and taking fuel to the people of Lahaina.

There was talk of a big ferry going between islands but the locals fought it until it was off the table.

Yes, flights between islands is pretty much the only way to go for most people.

I expect Starlink to provide beaucoup terminals for the island.  It would not surprise me if an initial batch is headed to Hawaii already.

That doesn't seem like a smart move. Ferries are in use all over the world and are an important way for people and goods to move around.

Stuff is going to get there one way or another might as well use something that is way easier than air or barges

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BREAKING: Death toll in Hawaii wildfires rises to 67, making it the deadliest disaster in state history

BNO News  (@BNONews) August 11, 2023

Looks like the 1843 Banyan tree in Lahaina could survive

It's not that far off.  Comparing states in 2a,  Hawaii is in the top 5 for gun control.  Limited CCW, permitting, registration.

Only thing I could think of to prevent the trajedy is preventative controlled burns in the brush.  A faster evacuation order through the sirens may have saved a bunch of lives too.

Not sure if controlled burns is feasible here as most land is private property and people would complain about smoke and climate change.  It's not something regularly done in Hawaii.

Safe travels.

Some of the pictures make me hopeful. Others much less so.

I know there are lots of other things to worry about, but I would think the survival of the tree might be encouraging for the community.

Surely they will get an arborist to evalute it soon.

Interesting. Looks like they thought an earlier fire was 100% contained but an ember or something got away and started another fire.

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/hawaii-maui-fire-risks-plans-government-e883f3a3?st=ekgat16orahbl58&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

you with a couple local electricians toting generators?

67 people

And that area was densely populated with animal life, both domesticated pets and wild ones

Ok here’s the scoop on the ferry. I’m in the Coast Guard, and I got to Oahu in 2010, and left in 2014. The ferry battle had already been fought when I got there, and the CG had gotten a VERY bad rap over it. Basically, the ferry company Austal sold some ferries to the company, they built the terminals at a surf break. That pissed off the locals. Also, Hawaii Airlines owns all sorts of shit out there. They’re associated with hotels and rental cars. They opposed the ferry because it would put a huge hurting on their profits if people could ship their cars between islands and camp or get VRBO’s. So they lobbied against it, and then they helped get the environmentalists to protest it because of the risk of whale strikes in the winter. So you have corporate opposition, environmental opposition, and then the surfers because their surf break was going to become a ferry route. So the first time the ferry came in, the CG got out there to do the escort and the surfers paddled out to meet the ferry and block it. Well there ended up being really ugly footage of Coasties vs surfers. Dragging them out of the water, pulling their boards out from under them. Basically just being law dog dicks to enforce the security zone around the ferry. And that ended up in the news. So, basically the ferry company gave up, and sold the ferries off to the US Navy to be used as high speed transport craft.

And like I said, I got to Oahu in 2010 with plans to get a truck bed topper and air mattress and explore the other islands and camp in my truck. I was there for 4 years, and the only other island I visited was big island, and I flew there in a Cessna. I WISH there had been an inter-island ferry because I would have seen so much more of the islands.

Prayers and thoughts to all that are affected. And for the trolls, I only wish that in the afterlife, some demon shoves a pineapple up your ass sideways. On the hour, every hour for eternity.

This is not accurate, the ferry used the existing harbors on the islands with some improvements made to existing piers to accommodate the RO/RO capability.  No surf spots were eliminated and the surfers got involved in the protests for other reasons.

Everything else is spot on except that other companies such as the inter-island barge companies and rental car companies assisted Hawaiian airlines in the behind the scenes opposition.  

The final straw was relating to the requirement for an Environmental Impact Study when the company originally only did an Environmental Assessment.  By Fed law an EA would have been fine since there was no new construction, only modification of existing facilities.....but!...Hawaii law does require a full EIS which includes cultural effects so the Legislature passed a law which specifically exempted the Superferry from doing an EIS but the Hawaii Supreme Court ruled it un-Constitutional since it was specific to a single business entity.

Within every disaster is the best of humanity.

Gotcha. As I said it was all over by the time I got on island, so that’s my memory of what I was told 13 years ago. I still wish I had made it over to Maui and the rest. That one weekend on Big island really opened my eyes to what Hawaii looks like outside of H1/H2/H3

Just seems really odd to me why there would be such opposition to something that is in use all over the world to great effect. My own family history dates back to an island in Europe that I've visited several times by ferry.

Also used to go out to Catalina by ferry and been on others including up in WA state. Seems like a normal thing that locals should welcome.

One problem here is that the seas between the islands get very rough at times especially in the channels where the wind and waves get funnelled between the land masses.  A few miles offshore and you are literally in the middle of the Pacific ocean.  This isn't some intercoastal situation.

Not much different than other ferries I've been on and that operate everyday around the world. Not talking about glorified barges.

What a terrible thing to say

You got almost all of it correct and the confusion over the surfers is understandable.

We brought in over a thousand head of cattle from the big island today aboard one of our ships. It smelled atrocious when I came aboard.

If you review the operational history, the superferry was out for maintenance quite a bit.  Aluminum hull design took repeated damage along with prop problems from what I recall.  It was a bit of a prototype for the littoral combat ship or so some asserted and that makes sense.  Inouye probably helped push it in that case as he was always trying to grow the military presence here.

Outer islanders didn't want it because they didn't want people from Oahu taking their waves, their fish, opihi, etc.  Didnt want the homeless showing up either.  Add in the traffic problems from tourism that were horrendous and you can see their point.  I was hoping it would work but the politicians did need to address the existing problems first or simultaneously rather than blow them off.

I was saying to a friend today that I think some parts of the state are going to see their insurance rates get jacked hard.  He said when he lived in a condo by the beach his insurance went from 12 to 38k in 1 year following Katrina.  Kihei and waikoloa are obvious targets and if I owned a condo there I'd be nervous.

Heard on the radio coming home from surfing that there was a standoff in lahaina with about 100 people being told no access to certain areas.  Also heard kaanapali was evacuated due to explosions and there's been some looting but take it all with a grain of salt because the coconut wireless gets it wrong a lot.

Oh, and Hawaii is much better on guns that CA.  Best weather in the country if you love the outdoors and best looking women on the beaches with the least amount of clothing save for maybe Miami.

At least 80 people confirmed dead in Hawaii wildfires, death toll expected to rise

BNO News  (@BNONews) August 12, 2023

Open the doors with the fire wind and hot embers blowing everywhere? - there might then be four more  bodies and a burnt up SUV now blocking the road for other escapees.  Wasn't obvious she was alive,  maybe succumbed to smoke inhalation or the hot air burned her lungs.
Always easiest to second guess people though.

https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1690281948487548928?s=20

Then oh well I guess ?????