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Posted: 8/12/2023 10:16:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No passenger ferries between the islands but there are a few cruise ships A now retired coworker that grew up there and lives there now told me the ferry plan was voted down to keep the huge homeless population from spreading to the other islands |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 10:18:43 AM EDT
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All this ferry talk is making me realize that just the debris removal alone is going to be a huge ordeal.
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Posted: 8/12/2023 10:29:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All this ferry talk is making me realize that just the debris removal alone is going to be a huge ordeal. Sounds like a job for the Army Corps of Engineers. More aircraft than the air force, more boats than the navy ( I don’t know if it’s still true, but it was at one point in time) They have tremendous resources, in men, material, and knowledge, to deal with stuff like this. Just look at Katrina |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 10:36:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That doesn't seem like a smart move. Ferries are in use all over the world and are an important way for people and goods to move around. Stuff is going to get there one way or another might as well use something that is way easier than air or barges  People cry about whales, the environment, etc Truth is people in Hawaii don’t want to see it developed in anyway During Covid and long before there is a very anti tourism attitude as in, we don’t want the or need you, this comes from the majority of the state Not nearly so much the business owners who want the business and people working those businesses but the locals stuck on island time Ironically without tourism the islands have nothing else to offer and would shrivel up in no time. Whale strikes is a comical reason to reject a ferry, no shortage of boats big and small around those islands as it is In 1988 or so my family had a aluminum boat built in Washington and brought it to Lahaina, it resembled the Alaskan crab/commercial fishing boats of the time, we were 33 feet long so a very average boat Locals flipped out at us thinking we were a commercial long liner and we actually got harassed by people just putting our boat in the water at malawarf for years, at the time we had nearly the only aluminum boat in the state Craig, the guy who started the Lahaina lanai ferry after seeing our boat went to the mainland and had an aluminum boat built after talking to my dad and grandpa and getting on our boat. |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 10:43:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not much different than other ferries I've been on and that operate everyday around the world. Not talking about glorified barges. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just seems really odd to me why there would be such opposition to something that is in use all over the world to great effect. My own family history dates back to an island in Europe that I've visited several times by ferry. Also used to go out to Catalina by ferry and been on others including up in WA state. Seems like a normal thing that locals should welcome. One problem here is that the seas between the islands get very rough at times especially in the channels where the wind and waves get funnelled between the land masses. A few miles offshore and you are literally in the middle of the Pacific ocean. This isn't some intercoastal situation. Not much different than other ferries I've been on and that operate everyday around the world. Not talking about glorified barges. The channel between the big island and the rest of the state, and the channel between lanai and Molokai are notoriously nasty at times, when it gets bad it gets really bad, we nearly flipped a 33 foot boat traveling from a fishing tournament on the big island home. Where as the Lahaina to lanai path is pretty well protected and rarely nasty. Very different than most ferry situations. |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 10:54:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The channel between the big island and the rest of the state, and the channel between lanai and Molokai are notoriously nasty at times, when it gets bad it gets really bad, we nearly flipped a 33 foot boat traveling from a fishing tournament on the big island home. Where as the Lahaina to lanai path is pretty well protected and rarely nasty. Very different than most ferry situations. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just seems really odd to me why there would be such opposition to something that is in use all over the world to great effect. My own family history dates back to an island in Europe that I've visited several times by ferry. Also used to go out to Catalina by ferry and been on others including up in WA state. Seems like a normal thing that locals should welcome. One problem here is that the seas between the islands get very rough at times especially in the channels where the wind and waves get funnelled between the land masses. A few miles offshore and you are literally in the middle of the Pacific ocean. This isn't some intercoastal situation. Not much different than other ferries I've been on and that operate everyday around the world. Not talking about glorified barges. The channel between the big island and the rest of the state, and the channel between lanai and Molokai are notoriously nasty at times, when it gets bad it gets really bad, we nearly flipped a 33 foot boat traveling from a fishing tournament on the big island home. Where as the Lahaina to lanai path is pretty well protected and rarely nasty. Very different than most ferry situations. 
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Posted: 8/12/2023 12:01:25 PM EDT
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First pic of my cousins house.
It’s the ash pile in from of the standing house. Nearby houses were burning when they got the evacuation order. 
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Posted: 8/12/2023 12:23:57 PM EDT
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80 people.
 I am guessing it will end up over 100 - but I hope it won't. |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 12:35:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The various Newfoundland and North Sea ferry services say come at me bro. Was in a 35 ft Bertram off Maui, out of the protection of the other islands, we were surfing down waves while hooked up with a marlin, giant waves. |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 12:58:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The various Newfoundland and North Sea ferry services say come at me bro. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just seems really odd to me why there would be such opposition to something that is in use all over the world to great effect. My own family history dates back to an island in Europe that I've visited several times by ferry. Also used to go out to Catalina by ferry and been on others including up in WA state. Seems like a normal thing that locals should welcome. One problem here is that the seas between the islands get very rough at times especially in the channels where the wind and waves get funnelled between the land masses. A few miles offshore and you are literally in the middle of the Pacific ocean. This isn't some intercoastal situation. Not much different than other ferries I've been on and that operate everyday around the world. Not talking about glorified barges. The channel between the big island and the rest of the state, and the channel between lanai and Molokai are notoriously nasty at times, when it gets bad it gets really bad, we nearly flipped a 33 foot boat traveling from a fishing tournament on the big island home. Where as the Lahaina to lanai path is pretty well protected and rarely nasty. Very different than most ferry situations. That's nice, but with inter-island air travel so well established and routine people aren't going to spend hours getting seasick on a ferry when they can go Maui to Kona in 30 minutes or Honolulu to Kona in 45 minutes. Unless thay can take their car, work truck, or truckload of produce. Anyway, this talk of inter-island ferry is distracting from the on going disaster and I suggest we return to that topic. |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 1:14:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 80 people. I am guessing it will end up over 100 - but I hope it won't. In the OP's video of those three, able bodied men fleeing, there was a collapsed woman they drove by. "We can't help her, Brah...we gotta go." She was right near a car. It's been eating at me that she might have just been passed out. She looked young and might have had a child in her car, too. They never checked. I would have snatched her and thrown her in the trunk. My old ass could have managed that on one deep breath. I guess she was one of the fatalities. |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 1:20:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 80 people. I am guessing it will end up over 100 - but I hope it won't. 
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Posted: 8/12/2023 1:23:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In the OP's video of those three, able bodied men fleeing, there was a collapsed woman they drove by. "We can't help her, Brah...we gotta go." She was right near a car. It's been eating at me that she might have just been passed out. She looked young and might have had a child in her car, too. They never checked. I would have snatched her and thrown her in the trunk. My old ass could have managed that on one deep breath. I guess she was one of the fatalities. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 80 people. I am guessing it will end up over 100 - but I hope it won't. In the OP's video of those three, able bodied men fleeing, there was a collapsed woman they drove by. "We can't help her, Brah...we gotta go." She was right near a car. It's been eating at me that she might have just been passed out. She looked young and might have had a child in her car, too. They never checked. I would have snatched her and thrown her in the trunk. My old ass could have managed that on one deep breath. I guess she was one of the fatalities. It sucks. It will eat at them, but just like that dog/hunters in a pit situation down in Texas, sometimes the only thing you can do is not go in. |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 1:28:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stumpy legs and a fat ass. I'll pass.  I thought this thread was about a fire. |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 1:36:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I fear it will be more than that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 80 people. I am guessing it will end up over 100 - but I hope it won't. With 1000 people missing it doesn't sound good. |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 1:41:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those guys were in shorts and flip flops and would have just added to the morts. It sucks. It will eat at them, but just like that dog/hunters in a pit situation down in Texas, sometimes the only thing you can do is not go in. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 80 people. I am guessing it will end up over 100 - but I hope it won't. In the OP's video of those three, able bodied men fleeing, there was a collapsed woman they drove by. "We can't help her, Brah...we gotta go." She was right near a car. It's been eating at me that she might have just been passed out. She looked young and might have had a child in her car, too. They never checked. I would have snatched her and thrown her in the trunk. My old ass could have managed that on one deep breath. I guess she was one of the fatalities. It sucks. It will eat at them, but just like that dog/hunters in a pit situation down in Texas, sometimes the only thing you can do is not go in. That sucked too, and I would t have thought of that kind of gas buildup even. A silo or something yeah but not a cistern. Fuck. |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 1:50:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With 1000 people missing it doesn't sound good. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 80 people. I am guessing it will end up over 100 - but I hope it won't. With 1000 people missing it doesn't sound good. That's what I was telling my friends yesterday when we were talking about it. It's not like the CA fires where people were missing and turned up in Oregon or Nevada the next day, on an island there is nowhere to go for the most part. |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 2:01:14 PM EDT
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I didn't know that 13,000 lived in Lahaina...
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Posted: 8/12/2023 2:06:34 PM EDT
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 SPACE LASERS Could Have Started Maui Wildfire, CRAZY Claims Erupt On Internet |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 2:07:45 PM EDT
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Only one person I know has been able check in as safe.
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Posted: 8/12/2023 2:42:46 PM EDT
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- CoC 7 -
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Posted: 8/12/2023 2:48:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: .... 
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Posted: 8/12/2023 2:50:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ... Have you ever been close to raging fire with 80mph winds? Fire hoses are not going to do shit. This fire was unstoppable. |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 2:51:08 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: .... You don’t understand the logistics of fighting fire, you can’t fight fire in 60-80 mph winds That’s before you even consider these operations blocking people in, you don’t casually drive over 4 inch trunk lines hooked up to engines, engines blocking pathways for people to escape Large fire events with thousands of firefighters during high wind events, all resources are disengaged until the wind dies down to manageable levels. Some of us here have experience with fire and know this, what you’re talking about is pure fantasy in these situations. |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 3:26:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One problem here is that the seas between the islands get very rough at times especially in the channels where the wind and waves get funnelled between the land masses. A few miles offshore and you are literally in the middle of the Pacific ocean. This isn't some intercoastal situation. ETA- I'll quit contributing to this off topic discussion. |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 3:48:58 PM EDT
[#26]
Just a horrible situation. My heart goes out to all of those affected.
Reading through this thread reminds me how many good people there are here. Sadly, reading through this thread also illuminates how many people were raised by trash parents . |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 3:53:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/12/2023 3:58:56 PM EDT
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- Coc 7 - |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 3:59:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAre those the Chinese space lasers they say are measuring pollution levels? |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 4:07:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Volcanic island chains were never meant to be inhabited by wyte pepo.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 4:14:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: .  Members are discussing missing friends and family, since you don't care maybe stop sharing in this thread. Maybe your time would be better spent showing us how to scope water from the open ocean during 60-80 mph winds with a plane. The map above shows the fire blow through town in an 1:45. Man was not stopping it. |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 4:19:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ... Such class |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 4:32:13 PM EDT
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Unfortunately, I think they are going to find a few bodies floating in the ocean and more that will never be found. People who were in danger of being burned alive likely fled to the ocean and between burns and damaged lungs from the heat, went into distress and drowned.
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Posted: 8/12/2023 4:39:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With 1000 people missing it doesn't sound good. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 80 people. I am guessing it will end up over 100 - but I hope it won't. With 1000 people missing it doesn't sound good.
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Posted: 8/12/2023 6:56:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unfortunately, I think they are going to find a few bodies floating in the ocean and more that will never be found. People who were in danger of being burned alive likely fled to the ocean and between burns and damaged lungs from the heat, went into distress and drowned. The boat that brought me and others from Kahoolawe to Maui yesterday was owned by NOAA. Once we got back they were headed to Lahaina to do side scan sonar searches for bodies. |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 7:03:31 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just seems really odd to me why there would be such opposition to something that is in use all over the world to great effect. My own family history dates back to an island in Europe that I've visited several times by ferry. Also used to go out to Catalina by ferry and been on others including up in WA state. Seems like a normal thing that locals should welcome. The locals disdain for mainland visitors is greater than their desire to ease their own suffering. |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 7:11:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't know that 13,000 lived in Lahaina... I was surprised by that myself. A NYT article i was reading today said that a lot of the original plantation houses had been turned into apartments, so a lot of the housing was very dense, |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 7:11:31 PM EDT
[#38]
Not sure I could roll past that woman and not at least try. Jesus.
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Posted: 8/12/2023 7:16:50 PM EDT
[#39]
POV from the ocean
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Posted: 8/12/2023 7:27:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: POV from the ocean
That is insane. |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 7:29:03 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure I could roll past that woman and not at least try. Jesus. And make more victims in the meantime? |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 8:08:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The boat that brought me and others from Kahoolawe to Maui yesterday was owned by NOAA. Once we got back they were headed to Lahaina to do side scan sonar searches for bodies. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Unfortunately, I think they are going to find a few bodies floating in the ocean and more that will never be found. People who were in danger of being burned alive likely fled to the ocean and between burns and damaged lungs from the heat, went into distress and drowned. The boat that brought me and others from Kahoolawe to Maui yesterday was owned by NOAA. Once we got back they were headed to Lahaina to do side scan sonar searches for bodies. |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 10:51:25 PM EDT
[#43]
Apologies if this has been posted already. Supposedly prior to the fire, showing the wind and powerlines.
ETA just seeing that wind alone shows how unstoppable the fire was made. |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 10:56:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/13/2023 12:00:50 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The locals disdain for mainland visitors is greater than their desire to ease their own suffering. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just seems really odd to me why there would be such opposition to something that is in use all over the world to great effect. My own family history dates back to an island in Europe that I've visited several times by ferry. Also used to go out to Catalina by ferry and been on others including up in WA state. Seems like a normal thing that locals should welcome. The locals disdain for mainland visitors is greater than their desire to ease their own suffering. STFU, you have no idea what you are talking about. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 12:01:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: POV from the ocean
I had to quit scrolling once I got to the comments. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 12:38:41 AM EDT
[#47]
Times radio just had a story about a family of 4 who didn’t make it and were found in their burned car. Terrible last moments.
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Posted: 8/13/2023 1:05:42 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: STFU, you have no idea what you are talking about. I can’t completely disagree with his statement This makes me wonder, what is your history in Hawaii? Did you grow up there? Go to school there? Live in more rural Hawaii like some of us did? A lot of Hawaii had a very special attitude about things, not always positive. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 1:23:41 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You don’t understand the logistics of fighting fire, you can’t fight fire in 60-80 mph winds That’s before you even consider these operations blocking people in, you don’t casually drive over 4 inch trunk lines hooked up to engines, engines blocking pathways for people to escape Large fire events with thousands of firefighters during high wind events, all resources are disengaged until the wind dies down to manageable levels. Some of us here have experience with fire and know this, what you’re talking about is pure fantasy in these situations. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: .... You don’t understand the logistics of fighting fire, you can’t fight fire in 60-80 mph winds That’s before you even consider these operations blocking people in, you don’t casually drive over 4 inch trunk lines hooked up to engines, engines blocking pathways for people to escape Large fire events with thousands of firefighters during high wind events, all resources are disengaged until the wind dies down to manageable levels. Some of us here have experience with fire and know this, what you’re talking about is pure fantasy in these situations. Didn't this thing blow up at like 2 or 3 in the morning? If so that's going to be a recipe for disaster with only 1 way in or out. Maui will never be the same. We where just there for 2 weeks in early may just south of Napilli, heart breaking seeing the pics of the destruction. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 1:36:40 AM EDT
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Got in touch with the EOC in Maui and referred my teams resources for the next two weeks, will see if there's enough bandwidth available for them to let us help...
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