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Posted: 8/9/2023 4:45:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are racist Hawaiians and locals that hate outsiders and tourists. But those are a small but very vocal minority. The vast majority of people here are welcoming to all and will help those in need. Please do not let that minority spoil your view of Hawaii One of the times we were there they had occupied the Iolani Palace and we could not get in it. But they were happy to talk to me and tell me about their cause. Since the times of Captain Cook, far far more racists visit Hawaii then live there. Our visits have always been 99% positive. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 4:49:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lahaina is normally in the wind shadow of the West Maui peaks. Was the wind in those videos a result of a slightly different trade direction or a local fire effect? Hurricane winds |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 4:50:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The HI gov is planning to evacuate 4000 tourists off Maui and housing them at a convention center in Oahu. Sounds like a nightmare. My B-I-L and niece are supposed to go to Maui at the end of the month. I guess they won't be going. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 4:51:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Her cloths was not burned. It was not impossible to grab her and keep going. Local fires here a guy picked up a burned woman, not recognizing it was his wife, https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/2020/09/the-desperate-fight-to-save-his-family-ends-in-tragedy.html Damn, that was a horrific read about that Oregon family. 
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Posted: 8/9/2023 4:53:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/9/2023 4:54:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/9/2023 4:56:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe photos remind me of the pictures of cities that were firebombed during WW2. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 4:58:06 PM EDT
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Horrible
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Posted: 8/9/2023 4:58:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure how much I buy that. And how many people passed her by before it got that bad? I will admit that I have never been in that situation and could easily be wrong, but if the outside air is that deadly, I would think that they are already fucked. I guess that gets back to my question about how much time did they have to get out before they got themselves in this situation? I question if the car motor would run sucking in 500 F air. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 4:59:18 PM EDT
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I realize this may be an ignorant statement,
But how do wildfires happen in Hawaii? in my week on oahu years and years ago, it rained every day. Not all day every day, but it rained every single day. it was lush and green. My understanding is that is the normal climate. How can a wild fire spread in such a lush wet environment? i understand a structure fire spreading to other structures, but thats not a wild fire. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:00:34 PM EDT
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6 people dead so far. A few in critical condition.
Maui fires claim 6 lives: Mayor Bissen https://www.khon2.com/maui-news/maui-residents-under-evacuation-order/ |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:01:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I realize this may be an ignorant statement, But how do wildfires happen in Hawaii? in my week on oahu years and years ago, it rained every day. Not all day every day, but it rained every single day. it was lush and green. My understanding is that is the normal climate. How can a wild fire spread in such a lush wet environment? i understand a structure fire spreading to other structures, but thats not a wild fire. Compress all of California into like 40 miles of diameter and you have the climates of Maui. The west side is dry and the east side is record-breaking year-round rainfall. You can drive 4 hours and go from bone dry desert, up a mountain, and down into a rainforest. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:03:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I realize this may be an ignorant statement, But how do wildfires happen in Hawaii? in my week on oahu years and years ago, it rained every day. Not all day every day, but it rained every single day. it was lush and green. My understanding is that is the normal climate. How can a wild fire spread in such a lush wet environment? i understand a structure fire spreading to other structures, but thats not a wild fire. The leeward (western) side of some of the islands are dry. When you think of western Maui think of Santa Barbara in the summer. Take a look at Lanai across the channel from Maui. It's almost all dry except the pine forest at the top of the island. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:04:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like a said above, Not judging the action or inaction of them stopping to help that lady. However, you all do realize they have a HIGH probability of becoming a victim as well if they did get out of the car.... The extremely hot air, the smoke.. we can all act like we white knights but come on.... This. There's a reason she's incapacitated. If they open their doors they expose themselves and the interior of their vehicle to those same conditions. It would be stupid. One ember lands inside and their car is going up in flames. One breath and they could be dead. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:04:50 PM EDT
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Damn sad to hear about this.
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:05:25 PM EDT
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Prayers out. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:07:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:09:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No care Out of fucks Maybe arrest ut antifa arsonists |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:13:22 PM EDT
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I would not feel right about driving by that woman. But in all likelihood she was already dead. And you have to consider that opening the door would have flooded the cabin with smoke. It seemed like the car might have already been full, and judging by the lights on the dashboard it may have been overheating already. I would not have wanted to be in that position, for a number of reasons. Did they get out to safety? That was pretty damn tense.
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:15:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not saying you are wrong: those in that car were just seconds from death. But I'd hope if I were in that situation I'd have the courage to try. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wouldn't recommend trying to save that woman. You're essentially in a house engulfed by flame and you're in a protective bubble. Everyone in the car will die if the doors are opened. If the car is blocking the road, everyone driving behind them will die too. Kinda like casualties in confined spaces with toxic gas or manure farms. One person goes down. All the people trying to rescue them die too. I'm surprised the cars didn't stall out from lack of oxygen. Not saying you are wrong: those in that car were just seconds from death. But I'd hope if I were in that situation I'd have the courage to try. And you'd have likely died and killed the people in your car and anyone following you. Triage the situation. What were you going to do, perform CPR? |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:17:15 PM EDT
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You can always leave it to some people in GD to brag about how they don't care about other people.
 
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:18:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:20:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI was on that white boat a couple of weeks ago, all metal construction so it didn't burn like the others. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:21:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:21:55 PM EDT
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The loss of 34 dollar stores may be unrecoverable.
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:27:41 PM EDT
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Video from Front street this morning after the fire. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:33:50 PM EDT
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That area is our favorite vacation destination. Devastated to see this. Was planning on taking my Mother for a vacation in April next year..... Terrible.
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:37:24 PM EDT
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6 declared dead.
One of the fires on the south end is coming to the area where our place is. This is not good. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:39:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I realize this may be an ignorant statement, But how do wildfires happen in Hawaii? in my week on oahu years and years ago, it rained every day. Not all day every day, but it rained every single day. it was lush and green. My understanding is that is the normal climate. How can a wild fire spread in such a lush wet environment? i understand a structure fire spreading to other structures, but thats not a wild fire. Already kind of explained but HI sits where winds come in predominantly from east to west. Moisture comes in off the ocean but since these are volcanic islands with big mountains in the center the moisture gets diverted around the mountains. The western slopes of those mountains don't see much rain. Eastern slopes = rainforest while western slopes = dry We are used to in the mainland US of wind mainly coming from the west and heading east. They just sit in a different pattern that goes east to west.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:41:37 PM EDT
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Video from Front street this morning after the fire. Somebody needs to make a meme with the guy sitting in the chair, "Let it all burn". |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:45:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hurricane winds Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lahaina is normally in the wind shadow of the West Maui peaks. Was the wind in those videos a result of a slightly different trade direction or a local fire effect? Hurricane winds |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:46:58 PM EDT
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Quoted: People are jumping into the ocean to escape. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:47:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The actual hurricane is hundreds of miles away. The winds aren't from "the Hurricane", but are probably being influenced by it to some extent. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lahaina is normally in the wind shadow of the West Maui peaks. Was the wind in those videos a result of a slightly different trade direction or a local fire effect? Hurricane winds Here is a 40 second video link that shows how Dora is affecting the fire: Weather.com |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:49:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I realize this may be an ignorant statement, But how do wildfires happen in Hawaii? in my week on oahu years and years ago, it rained every day. Not all day every day, but it rained every single day. it was lush and green. My understanding is that is the normal climate. How can a wild fire spread in such a lush wet environment? i understand a structure fire spreading to other structures, but thats not a wild fire. Every Hawaiian island is like that, expect for the ones in a permanent lee, like Lanai and Kahoolawe. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:53:02 PM EDT
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Wow....just booked for early November in Kihei. Haven't bought the airfare yet, but got the Condo. Gonna keep an eye on this for sure. What a tough time for the people over there. I hope they recover best they can.
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:53:26 PM EDT
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Hate to see that......Lahaina was a great place when I visited there
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:57:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What are the odds a homeless encampment cook fire started it? Very likely |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 6:01:36 PM EDT
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Biden to Hawaii...Sorry, Ukraine needs the money.
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Posted: 8/9/2023 6:05:54 PM EDT
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Another victim of our absolutely idiotic "only you can prevent forest fires" approach to wildfires.
Many small wild fires, no big wild fires. No small wild fires, big wild fires. Underbrush, dead trees, etc need to burn before there's so much fuel that a small fire quickly becomes unmanageable. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 6:12:39 PM EDT
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 Aerial footage shows Lahaina wildfire devastation | RAW VIDEO |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 6:14:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Another victim of our absolutely idiotic "only you can prevent forest fires" approach to wildfires. Many small wild fires, no big wild fires. No small wild fires, big wild fires. Underbrush, dead trees, etc need to burn before there's so much fuel that a small fire quickly becomes unmanageable. That island is solid blue, so I imagine it's like California where they just blow off forest management because of climate change cult beliefs. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 6:17:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That island is solid blue, so I imagine it's like California where they just blow off forest management because of climate change cult beliefs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Another victim of our absolutely idiotic "only you can prevent forest fires" approach to wildfires. Many small wild fires, no big wild fires. No small wild fires, big wild fires. Underbrush, dead trees, etc need to burn before there's so much fuel that a small fire quickly becomes unmanageable. That island is solid blue, so I imagine it's like California where they just blow off forest management because of climate change cult beliefs. +1 Of this, I have no doubt. "But trees are carbon reservoirs!" They are, until they burn to ash because they weren't subject to smaller, lower temperature fires. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 6:19:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sad, I was in Lahaina 2 weeks ago, beautiful historic tourist town. When I was 16 my parents sent me to a "Keep you kid out of trouble for the summer program" for 10 weeks. It was basically a minimum security work camp picking pineapples for the summer. It was just outside of Lahaina, and Front st. was one of our favorites places to hang out. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 6:20:33 PM EDT
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What is the insurance situation like there? Under insured, no insurance, or mandated insurance?
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Posted: 8/9/2023 6:21:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wildfires on the Big Island as well. There's apparently a wildfire near where we are moving in a few years. Because we own the land, we are on the mailing list for the community, and there were some panicked emails yesterday. The fire jumped across the highway, which freaked out a lot of people. Apparently a building was lost further south, and in the community across the street a roof caught fire - but the house was saved. Yeah, bro. Cops were going door to door and suggesting folks in our subdivisions evacuate. Kohala Ranch still had a mandatory evacuation in place. Road closures North of us and also the highway near the Mauna Kea resort. Nothing like Maui though. They’re fucked over there. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 6:25:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I realize this may be an ignorant statement, But how do wildfires happen in Hawaii? in my week on oahu years and years ago, it rained every day. Not all day every day, but it rained every single day. it was lush and green. My understanding is that is the normal climate. How can a wild fire spread in such a lush wet environment? i understand a structure fire spreading to other structures, but thats not a wild fire. The east side of Maui is nice and green, the west side is damn a desert dry. We go 1 or times a year, was just there for 2 weeks in Early May. We stay just south of Napilli |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 6:26:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/9/2023 6:28:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/9/2023 6:28:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I realize this may be an ignorant statement, But how do wildfires happen in Hawaii? in my week on oahu years and years ago, it rained every day. Not all day every day, but it rained every single day. it was lush and green. My understanding is that is the normal climate. How can a wild fire spread in such a lush wet environment? i understand a structure fire spreading to other structures, but thats not a wild fire. Rain shadow. When my dad was stationed in HI, it was out at Barber's Point NAS, way on the western side. It wasn't uncommon for the grass to die, the longest it went without rain was a month straight once and there was a burn ban. I remember the first time we took a trip over the mountains, like you said, lush and green. Completely different. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 6:29:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryGeez. It looks worse than Stalingrad |
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