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Posted: 5/13/2023 11:05:24 PM EDT
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YouTube has the full movie “a night to remmeber” (1958). This movie is far far better and much more accurate than the 1997 James Cameron one. Though it was a financial flop. You can see where Cameron lifted stuff from the 1958 film.
No fake romance drama. A far fairer treatment of J Bruce Ismay (he was not early as bad as potrayed in 1997). Also the 1958 movie explores the Marconi room drama and properly gives credit to the skipper of the carpathiea rescue ship. Had he not swung into such immediate and heroic (and risky… full steam into the same ice berg ridden ocean with a far inferior watertight protection system) action, the night might have been even worse. Even worse was the portrayal of moody the first officer in 1997 was outright slanderous. The 1958 film gets the crew much better. Captain smith was not as listless and useless as potrayed in 1997 The list goes on and on. They even had the band play the correct British version of nearer my god to thee. The only glaring issue wjth the 1958 film was the ship sunk whole and mention of a 300’ gash. Which makes sense as that was the theory until discovery of the wreck in the 80s |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 11:11:36 PM EDT
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 Attached FileIf there are no kids on deck, I'm getting in the raft. Theoretically speaking. Realistically, I'd likely be laughing maniacally as it sunk with me on board. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 11:11:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/13/2023 11:12:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: MIB was a little judgmental and pompous. You countered that by insulting anyone who would try to rescue a stranger in danger. There is absolutely nothing wrong with focusing on your family and wanting to stay alive for them. There is also nothing wrong with being willing to put your life on the line to help others. Neither of you is all the way right, neither is all the way wrong, neither of you are talking about hurting others. I would absolutely do whatever I could to rescue someone who needs it. I have done so a have the scars to show for it. That aside, if there is a true cataclysm where we are all in danger, I have no problem using ultra violence to make sure my wife and kids are safe. I will never apologize for that mind set. I also believe any man who is a husband and father who is not willing to do unspeakable acts to secure his family's survival is a failure. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 11:14:37 PM EDT
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Honestly, the men and the children should have gotten priority. The men were producers and earners, the children were the next generation. The women really didn’t do much and were replaceable.
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Posted: 5/13/2023 11:17:35 PM EDT
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20-30 years ago, women and children deserved to be cared for;
now, I may save the kids, but bitches are getting tossed off the fucking boat. women's lib is a bitch. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 11:21:54 PM EDT
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Quoted: "Women and Children",..first. Would you actualy Drown for them. “To stand and be still to the Birkenhead Drill”… Fuck no. That chivalry shit died with women’s equality. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 11:28:41 PM EDT
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In SCUBA class someone said, "Civilization ends at the water line."
Who knows what you're going to do? I'd of gone to the galley and greased up before getting wet though. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 11:30:21 PM EDT
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I'd be building a raft.
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Posted: 5/13/2023 11:32:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/13/2023 11:32:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Different era…honor, dignity, decorum all meant something. Notice pictures from that era with most men wearing jacket, hat and tie. Ladies never went out unless properly attired. Compare and contrast to what we have today. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/134638/EB9DAD94-E9EC-4406-BD33-D901730E475D_jpe-2815887.JPG  
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Posted: 5/13/2023 11:33:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I always wondered about dropping things over the damaged side, like a weighted tarp or some such, to let the water pressure seal the crack... slow the water down, anyways. If only they had had some Flexseal! |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 11:39:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IIRC mythbusters showed if a life jacket was strapped to the underside of a door there is plenty of flotation to keep a person laying on top of the door mostly dry. James Cameron went back and tested that theory with people dressed as Jack and Rose in actual cold water. According to the test they both would have died from hypothermia from being wet and still partially in the water. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 11:41:27 PM EDT
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They could have pulled every wooden door that they could get to and have them ready to throw over the side
Many of life boats were not full when they loaded and lowered them |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 11:41:56 PM EDT
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My grandfather's ship went down in the north Atlantic in December.
The ship is sinking. But, it ain't sunk. There's going to be work to do. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 11:46:55 PM EDT
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Quoted: "Women and Children",..first. Ok 
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Posted: 5/13/2023 11:48:10 PM EDT
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Release the inner feminist within.
Git! Me first. 
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Posted: 5/13/2023 11:51:42 PM EDT
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Without hesitation
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Posted: 5/14/2023 12:41:52 AM EDT
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different time different people
today Why would I help subject women to toxic masculinity and force them to live with the fact their lives were saved by men,equality!!!! |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 12:49:48 AM EDT
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"You know why they put the women and children on lifeboats first? So the men could have some peace and quiet while they fixed the ship." - Grandpa
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Posted: 5/14/2023 12:54:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: James Cameron went back and tested that theory with people dressed as Jack and Rose in actual cold water. According to the test they both would have died from hypothermia from being wet and still partially in the water. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: IIRC mythbusters showed if a life jacket was strapped to the underside of a door there is plenty of flotation to keep a person laying on top of the door mostly dry. James Cameron went back and tested that theory with people dressed as Jack and Rose in actual cold water. According to the test they both would have died from hypothermia from being wet and still partially in the water. Dang it, now I'm going to be up half the night trying to find the answer. I wonder how Cameron found volunteers for his test. Maybe offer 30 minutes in freezing water in place of watching Avatar 2? |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 12:56:25 AM EDT
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I’d like to think that I’d put them first. I’d also like to think that I’d be fashioning a wet suite from lard (assuming I can get to the kitchen) and drinking to help stave off hypothermia.
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Posted: 5/14/2023 12:57:28 AM EDT
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After reading the responses, I’d be part of the group pulling “men” out of the lifeboats.
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Posted: 5/14/2023 1:12:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's super cool but I would absolutely use your corpse as a step on to a raft if it meant our survival. We are animals an our job is to survive and propagate. Your fake bravado isn't fooling anyone. In an actual life or death emergency you would absolutely be killing people to survive. The "I would step aside for these random kids" guys are full of shit. This might make me a "monster" in some peoples eyes, but at the end of the day the 4 other people in my house right now mean more to me than anyone else. Doesn't matter if it's your kid or wife. I will do my job. Cue all the hero types who would die to save a bunch of randos. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Man, that husband and father gag really gets a workout in GD. Over the years, I've seen it used as an excuse to cover all manner of cowardly and despicable things. Kind of impressive, really. That's super cool but I would absolutely use your corpse as a step on to a raft if it meant our survival. We are animals an our job is to survive and propagate. Your fake bravado isn't fooling anyone. In an actual life or death emergency you would absolutely be killing people to survive. The "I would step aside for these random kids" guys are full of shit. This might make me a "monster" in some peoples eyes, but at the end of the day the 4 other people in my house right now mean more to me than anyone else. Doesn't matter if it's your kid or wife. I will do my job. Cue all the hero types who would die to save a bunch of randos. But you go ahead and keep telling yourself whatever you need to be able to look at yourself in the mirror. Your type always do. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 1:25:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: MIB was a little judgmental and pompous. You countered that by insulting anyone who would try to rescue a stranger in danger. There is absolutely nothing wrong with focusing on your family and wanting to stay alive for them. There is also nothing wrong with being willing to put your life on the line to help others. Neither of you is all the way right, neither is all the way wrong, neither of you are talking about hurting others. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: LOL, srsly?  Welcome to S87E87 of "When Assholes Collide"! How is any of that wrong? You are gonna tell me you would die for some random chick? Fuck that. ETA: this is white knight edge porn. MIB was a little judgmental and pompous. You countered that by insulting anyone who would try to rescue a stranger in danger. There is absolutely nothing wrong with focusing on your family and wanting to stay alive for them. There is also nothing wrong with being willing to put your life on the line to help others. Neither of you is all the way right, neither is all the way wrong, neither of you are talking about hurting others. And I'm, honestly pretty sick of it. People give up their place in the boat all the time. People run into burning buildings all the time. People step in to protect those weaker than them ALL THE TIME. Pretending it isn't so is just sad and pathetic, and it demeans the actions of those who step up. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 1:26:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sticks and stones but you'd be dead and he'd be alive. Maybe he'd send a toast your way as he's at thanksgiving dinner with his family 30 years later. I would just forget about you but that's me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I would do anything and everything to get my family to safety. That includes me. Just like now, if you're not an asset, the family comes first. Fuck chivalry or civility, in an emergency my job as a husband and father is to get my people out. Over the years, I've seen it used as an excuse to cover all manner of cowardly and despicable things. Kind of impressive, really. Sticks and stones but you'd be dead and he'd be alive. Maybe he'd send a toast your way as he's at thanksgiving dinner with his family 30 years later. I would just forget about you but that's me. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 1:31:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't engage in fake bravado. I have actually gone into the water to save a drowning girl. I'll do it again if the need comes up. But you go ahead and keep telling yourself whatever you need to be able to look at yourself in the mirror. Your type always do. @TheOTHERmaninblabk Explain "my type". You would be willing to die so some random ass women sat next to your wife and kid? I hate to tell you this but your hero complex would get you and your family killed in a real widespread emergency. There is no pmop and circumstance here. I would do anything to see my family come out on top. I'm not talking "omg that little girl fell in the water!" That is a no brainer that you jump in. I'm talking real emergency when people turn into panicked animals. I will use any means of force or trickery to win. Anyone here who says otherwise is a lier. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 1:32:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dang it, now I'm going to be up half the night trying to find the answer. I wonder how Cameron found volunteers for his test. Maybe offer 30 minutes in freezing water in place of watching Avatar 2? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: IIRC mythbusters showed if a life jacket was strapped to the underside of a door there is plenty of flotation to keep a person laying on top of the door mostly dry. James Cameron went back and tested that theory with people dressed as Jack and Rose in actual cold water. According to the test they both would have died from hypothermia from being wet and still partially in the water. Dang it, now I'm going to be up half the night trying to find the answer. I wonder how Cameron found volunteers for his test. Maybe offer 30 minutes in freezing water in place of watching Avatar 2? |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 1:34:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: After reading the responses, I'd be part of the group pulling "men" out of the lifeboats. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 1:40:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I may have seemed judgemental, but this same attitude comes up every time there's a mass event. School or mall shooting? Movie theater shooting? Just some rando with a knife, the whole squad races to the keyboard to proclaim how righteous they are for hiding or taking it on the lam. Then they call the rest of us suckers and/or liars for standing up for others. I suppose they have to believe that nobody, despite loads of evidence to the contrary, are any better than them. And I'm, honestly pretty sick of it. People give up their place in the boat all the time. People run into burning buildings all the time. People step in to protect those weaker than them ALL THE TIME. Pretending it isn't so is just sad and pathetic, and it demeans the actions of those who step up. They told this man if he went through that hatch he would be trapped in there, he went anyways to save more Sailors https://www.businessinsider.com/this-sailor-sacrificed-himself-save-20-lives-the-uss-fitzgerald-2017-6?amp |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 1:43:39 AM EDT
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There is a memorial to the men of the Titanic in Washington, D.C., commissioned by women. Some of the best and leading men in American society were among those who sacrificed themselves so that others could live. Sadly, it is not well known today and was moved to build the Kennedy Center.
 It is made from a solid piece of red granite and is engraved as follows: Front: TO THE BRAVE MEN WHO PERISHED IN THE TITANIC APRIL 15 1912 THEY GAVE THEIR LIVES THAT WOMEN AND CHILDREN MIGHT BE SAVED ERECTED BY THE WOMEN OF AMERICA Back: TO THE YOUNG AND THE OLD THE RICH AND THE POOR THE IGNORANT AND THE LEARNED ALL WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES NOBLY TO SAVE WOMEN AND CHILDREN |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 1:45:35 AM EDT
[#32]
Yes. I would.
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Posted: 5/14/2023 1:46:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @TheOTHERmaninblabk Explain "my type". You would be willing to die so some random ass women sat next to your wife and kid? I hate to tell you this but your hero complex would get you and your family killed in a real widespread emergency. There is no pmop and circumstance here. I would do anything to see my family come out on top. I'm not talking "omg that little girl fell in the water!" That is a no brainer that you jump in. I'm talking real emergency when people turn into panicked animals. I will use any means of force or trickery to win. Anyone here who says otherwise is a lier. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't engage in fake bravado. I have actually gone into the water to save a drowning girl. I'll do it again if the need comes up. But you go ahead and keep telling yourself whatever you need to be able to look at yourself in the mirror. Your type always do. @TheOTHERmaninblabk Explain "my type". You would be willing to die so some random ass women sat next to your wife and kid? I hate to tell you this but your hero complex would get you and your family killed in a real widespread emergency. There is no pmop and circumstance here. I would do anything to see my family come out on top. I'm not talking "omg that little girl fell in the water!" That is a no brainer that you jump in. I'm talking real emergency when people turn into panicked animals. I will use any means of force or trickery to win. Anyone here who says otherwise is a lier. I'm basing your type exactly on what you posted. No more, no less. I've read hundreds of posts by dozens and dozens of others over the years, all sufficiently similar as to be nearly identical. All of them high minded, all of them dismissive, many of them claiming that anybody/everybody would do the same given whatever circumstances were being discussed. Your claims are erroneous. History proves you wrong. Recent history, even. You are either horribly mistaken, or lying in some effort to justify actions you've decided to take if you're caught up in such situations. I base this not on anything I've brought to the table, but solely what you've claimed on your own. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 1:54:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Stoney0102 I'm basing your type exactly on what you posted. No more, no less. I've read hundreds of posts by dozens and dozens of others over the years, all sufficiently similar as to be nearly identical. All of them high minded, all of them dismissive, many of them claiming that anybody/everybody would do the same given whatever circumstances were being discussed. Your claims are erroneous. History proves you wrong. Recent history, even. You are either horribly mistaken, or lying in some effort to justify actions you've decided to take if you're caught up in such situations. I base this not on anything I've brought to the table, but solely what you've claimed on your own. That's a lot of words to say nothing. Do whatever you want or believe to be honorable. I don't care. Run into a fire to save people. I just don't understand how you are arguing that I would do anything to save my family. I mean you understand I'm telling you what I would do and you arguing it somehow. I am saying the sky is blue and you are arguing that there is different kinds of soil. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 2:05:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a lot of words to say nothing. Do whatever you want or believe to be honorable. I don't care. Run into a fire to save people. I just don't understand how you are arguing that I would do anything to save my family. I mean you understand I'm telling you what I would do and you arguing it somehow. I am saying the sky is blue and you are arguing that there is different kinds of soil. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @Stoney0102 I'm basing your type exactly on what you posted. No more, no less. I've read hundreds of posts by dozens and dozens of others over the years, all sufficiently similar as to be nearly identical. All of them high minded, all of them dismissive, many of them claiming that anybody/everybody would do the same given whatever circumstances were being discussed. Your claims are erroneous. History proves you wrong. Recent history, even. You are either horribly mistaken, or lying in some effort to justify actions you've decided to take if you're caught up in such situations. I base this not on anything I've brought to the table, but solely what you've claimed on your own. That's a lot of words to say nothing. Do whatever you want or believe to be honorable. I don't care. Run into a fire to save people. I just don't understand how you are arguing that I would do anything to save my family. I mean you understand I'm telling you what I would do and you arguing it somehow. I am saying the sky is blue and you are arguing that there is different kinds of soil. How about we go on about our merry ways, each doing what we need to do to look in the mirror? |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 2:07:27 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Man, that husband and father gag really gets a workout in GD. Over the years, I've seen it used as an excuse to cover all manner of cowardly and despicable things. Kind of impressive, really. Who'd have thought the idea of some other dood getting to bone your widowed wife and raise your kids.... So that you can save some other doods wife and kids... doesn't exactly align well with most people's evolutionary drive. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 2:13:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm wondering how many of them trying to force their way aboard just got tossed over the side by the mass of honorable men putting women and kids into the boats. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: After reading the responses, I'd be part of the group pulling "men" out of the lifeboats. While I wouldn’t get in the way of people getting on the boats(I’d be getting my own plan together) anyone tries throwing my fat ass overboard will be fixing their own leaks. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 2:16:56 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who'd have thought the idea of some other dood getting to bone your widowed wife and raise your kids.... So that you can save some other doods wife and kids... doesn't exactly align well with most people's evolutionary drive. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Man, that husband and father gag really gets a workout in GD. Over the years, I've seen it used as an excuse to cover all manner of cowardly and despicable things. Kind of impressive, really. Who'd have thought the idea of some other dood getting to bone your widowed wife and raise your kids.... So that you can save some other doods wife and kids... doesn't exactly align well with most people's evolutionary drive. Nailed it. But someone will be along shortly to tell you to be a man, shut up and die |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 2:21:54 AM EDT
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The chivalry wasn't entire exclusive to men either. There's a somewhat famous account of Edith Evans, an unmarried 36-year-old lady travelling in first class and and made friends with three unaccompanied married ladies, turned to one of them as the last boat was being lowered on the port side shortly before 2am to say, "You go, you've children waiting for you at home." She ended up being one of the four first class ladies to perish, along with Mrs. Straus, who stayed with her husband, Mrs. Allison, who spent the latter part of the sinking searching for her infant son (who was with their maid and had gotten separated, though those two made it into a boat) and perished along with her husband and 2-year-old daughter Loraine, and Miss Elizabeth Isham, whose actions that night sadly remain a complete mystery.
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Posted: 5/14/2023 2:32:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rose could have scooted her ass over and made room for Jack on that stupid door she was floating on. Fuckin' bitch. Rose could have stayed in the life boat Jack put her on and then Jack would have been on the door by himself... |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 2:33:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The past is another country. They do things differently there. That said if you, as a man had fought, scratched and clawed your way into one of the boats. You would probably be internationally famous for your cowardly actions once Carpathia got to port. The past isn't another country, its another reality. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 2:38:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a memorial to the men of the Titanic in Washington, D.C., commissioned by women. Some of the best and leading men in American society were among those who sacrificed themselves so that others could live. Sadly, it is not well known today and was moved to build the Kennedy Center. https://www.nps.gov/nama/planyourvisit/images/Titanic-web.jpg?maxwidth=650&autorotate=false&quality=78&format=webp It is made from a solid piece of red granite and is engraved as follows: Front: TO THE BRAVE MEN WHO PERISHED IN THE TITANIC APRIL 15 1912 THEY GAVE THEIR LIVES THAT WOMEN AND CHILDREN MIGHT BE SAVED ERECTED BY THE WOMEN OF AMERICA Back: TO THE YOUNG AND THE OLD THE RICH AND THE POOR THE IGNORANT AND THE LEARNED ALL WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES NOBLY TO SAVE WOMEN AND CHILDREN  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 2:39:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who'd have thought the idea of some other dood getting to bone your widowed wife and raise your kids.... So that you can save some other doods wife and kids... doesn't exactly align well with most people's evolutionary drive. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Man, that husband and father gag really gets a workout in GD. Over the years, I've seen it used as an excuse to cover all manner of cowardly and despicable things. Kind of impressive, really. Who'd have thought the idea of some other dood getting to bone your widowed wife and raise your kids.... So that you can save some other doods wife and kids... doesn't exactly align well with most people's evolutionary drive. One of the biggest things that separates us from the animals is the ability to rise above and overcome basic animal instinct and the ability to discover and follow moral truth accordingly. Whole aspects of our civilization depend upon it. You reflect the decline of that knowledge and ability in our society at large and baser human behavior in general. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 2:48:42 AM EDT
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There is one thing to remember. These men lived in what was called the Belle Epoque. Dignity and honor meant something. To be a man was to be entrusted with civilization itself. To be a woman or child was looked at as the future of your civilization.
European civilization was seen as incredibly valuable and worth protecting………..because it was. That was one of the best golden ages in history. The men on those ships gave their lives because in a lot of ways………it was worth it. Now look at our civilization of ultra feminism, anti white politics, obesity, trans pedophiles, replacement immigration, etc. Then see yourself on the pitching deck of a cruise ship as the lifeboats are being loaded while you’re holding your wife and kids. Who do you think is going into the lifeboats. Pretty sure that boat is going to be full of people that are either despise me. Or I would not trust their personal decisions in a life threatening environment. Especially if it involved my family. How do you think asking me to go down with the ship is going to go. Seeing what shows up on cruises. I’m pretty sure the wife and kid isn’t getting on either. This is why I will never step foot on a cruise ship. And am incredibly selective with who I get in a boat with. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 2:51:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One of the biggest things that separates us from the animals is the ability to rise above and overcome basic animal instinct and the ability to discover and follow moral truth accordingly. Whole aspects of our civilization depend upon it. You reflect the decline of that knowledge and ability in our society at large and baser human behavior in general. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Man, that husband and father gag really gets a workout in GD. Over the years, I've seen it used as an excuse to cover all manner of cowardly and despicable things. Kind of impressive, really. Who'd have thought the idea of some other dood getting to bone your widowed wife and raise your kids.... So that you can save some other doods wife and kids... doesn't exactly align well with most people's evolutionary drive. One of the biggest things that separates us from the animals is the ability to rise above and overcome basic animal instinct and the ability to discover and follow moral truth accordingly. Whole aspects of our civilization depend upon it. You reflect the decline of that knowledge and ability in our society at large and baser human behavior in general.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 2:53:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is one thing to remember. These men lived in what was called the Belle Epoque. Dignity and honor meant something. To be a man was to be entrusted with civilization itself. To be a woman or child was looked at as the future of your civilization. European civilization was seen as incredibly valuable and worth protecting ..because it was. That was one of the best golden ages in history. The men on those ships gave their lives because in a lot of ways it was worth it. Now look at our civilization of ultra feminism, anti white politics, obesity, trans pedophiles, replacement immigration, etc. Then see yourself on the pitching deck of a cruise ship as the lifeboats are being loaded while you're holding your wife and kids. Who do you think is going into the lifeboats. Pretty sure that boat is going to be full of people that are either despise me. Or I would not trust their personal decisions in a life threatening environment. Especially if it involved my family. How do you think asking me to go down with the ship is going to go. Seeing what shows up on cruises. I'm pretty sure the wife and kid isn't getting on either. This is why I will never step foot on a cruise ship. And am incredibly selective with who I get in a boat with. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 2:55:17 AM EDT
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Little known fact.
Titanic would have stayed afloat until Carpathia arrived, but the mass of all the time travelers overwhelmed the remaining buoyancy. Tragic. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 2:55:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One of the biggest things that separates us from the animals is the ability to rise above and overcome basic animal instinct and the ability to discover and follow moral truth accordingly. Whole aspects of our civilization depend upon it. You reflect the decline of that knowledge and ability in our society at large and baser human behavior in general. Quite the contrary. You epitomize the very premise of the movie "Idiocracy". Allowing your virtues to impede your ability to succeed. This is why the barbarians will inherit the world. They will put produce you and force their will and culture onto others. The will to power. There is a reason the British Empire collapsed. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 3:26:59 AM EDT
[#49]
It'd be awful hard for me to give the "women and children" any cosideration after shaniqua and her brood shoved me out of the pizza line on a modern cruise!
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Posted: 5/14/2023 3:44:32 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As a former HT, I've thought about this over and over. I understand the bulkheads were not water tight. I get that they had "gaps" at the top for air flow. The question that lingers with me, could there have been a way to create a water tight bulkhead after the fact..? I would like to think I could have mobilized the men and that fucking band to stuff mattresses and get us a fighting chance or die trying. Then you have the whole riveted construction thing, and with shit quality rivets at that. Yeah, they had some tearing into the second and third compartments, but even still, they should have been able to plug those cracks, especially the one into the third compartment with mattresses and put some shoring in place to at least reduce the inflow to the 3rd compartment to what the pumps could keep up with. If those WT bulkheads went to the Main Deck. And if they had anyone aboard who knew how to do it. Sadly, HTs weren't a thing for British merchant ships, and from what I've read, the crew didn't even try. Once the flooding in the third compartment put the fires out in the boilers, it was good night Irene, that's all she wrote. |
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