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Posted: 2/6/2019 10:01:18 AM EDT
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Us Catholics saw more than a few join up in the Anglican Ordinariate. Anyway, I predict this will follow the similar pattern: The split will happen, and the SJW wing will slowly die off. The conservative wing will be smaller but stronger. Benedict option and all that. Also, nothing good comes from women pastors. I think we have enough data to conclude that. ETA: On the plus side, this will probably get my buddy's wife to finally become Catholic. He went with his wife to her parents' church and was pretty sure he knew more about John Wesley's beliefs than the pastor did. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know of two churches local to me that split off over this. Sad part is that the UMC owns all land and buildings for all of the UMC churches, so the individual congregations that are dropping out of the association are having to buy the land and church buildings. The Church was not so accomodating then: they forbade the sale of the parish buildings back to the members. Ironically I think the gay bishop who's appointment led to the whole ECUSA schism divorced somewhat recently. Anyway, I predict this will follow the similar pattern: The split will happen, and the SJW wing will slowly die off. The conservative wing will be smaller but stronger. Benedict option and all that. Also, nothing good comes from women pastors. I think we have enough data to conclude that. ETA: On the plus side, this will probably get my buddy's wife to finally become Catholic. He went with his wife to her parents' church and was pretty sure he knew more about John Wesley's beliefs than the pastor did. Then we got assigned a 25yo woman pastor. Within 3 months everything was political. People were chased off she didn’t like. Including us. A few years later, the chruch was shut down. Even the guy who paid to build the building quit. They tore it down, and the UMC sold the land to an apartment developer. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 10:12:11 AM EDT
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My best friend split with these cats decades ago when they used church funds to pay for defense of Angela Yvonne Davis, a counterculture activist in the 1960s working with the Communist Party USA, of which she was a member, and involved in the Black Panther Party.
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Posted: 2/6/2019 10:27:16 AM EDT
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what is the most conservative Christian Denomination now? Methodists are all about gays and open borders now. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 10:27:30 AM EDT
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Catholic Church will NEVER split. That's why there are no Eastern Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, or Greek Orthodox churches. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Catholic church will be next. Current Pope is a fucking commie. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 10:33:14 AM EDT
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I've met a number of Mennonites recently. I find it appealing personally. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/6/2019 10:34:25 AM EDT
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Then we got assigned a 25yo woman pastor. I was on the Pastor-Parish relations committee at my church when our long-time pastor was moved away by the UMC. Our pastor was a dynamic evangelist who really grew the size of the congregation and inspired lots of improvements. The new pastor was a guy looking for a place to land until retirement in a few years. No energy, no vision, no charisma. He could give a good sermon but that was all. Unfortunately he could go from zero to angry asshole in about five seconds. Next pastor the UMC sent us was a woman. All hell broke loose. Waves of people left the church. We could have told the UMC not to send us a woman but that advice would fall on deaf ears. Ever since then, our church is a shadow of its former self. Very sad, really. Now we have a 60 year old man but he's a SJW. Nice guy and somewhat energetic, but still when sitting in the pew on Sunday morning, I feel I am being preached at instead of preached to. There's no doubt in my mind that we won't rise again until we can select our own pastor. For that reason among others, I advocate a split and a new rule with whatever body we join that we can pick our own pastor. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 10:45:41 AM EDT
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This happened to me at my UMC. New chruch building in a growing area. We had a great male pastor, very active youth, growing congregation. My wife And I got married there. She helped with Sunday School, I was a trustee, and worked the AV equipment every week. We had a wonderful thing going. Very happy. Then we got assigned a 25yo woman pastor. Within 3 months everything was political. People were chased off she didn’t like. Including us. A few years later, the chruch was shut down. Even the guy who paid to build the building quit. They tore it down, and the UMC sold the land to an apartment developer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know of two churches local to me that split off over this. Sad part is that the UMC owns all land and buildings for all of the UMC churches, so the individual congregations that are dropping out of the association are having to buy the land and church buildings. The Church was not so accomodating then: they forbade the sale of the parish buildings back to the members. Ironically I think the gay bishop who's appointment led to the whole ECUSA schism divorced somewhat recently. Anyway, I predict this will follow the similar pattern: The split will happen, and the SJW wing will slowly die off. The conservative wing will be smaller but stronger. Benedict option and all that. Also, nothing good comes from women pastors. I think we have enough data to conclude that. ETA: On the plus side, this will probably get my buddy's wife to finally become Catholic. He went with his wife to her parents' church and was pretty sure he knew more about John Wesley's beliefs than the pastor did. Then we got assigned a 25yo woman pastor. Within 3 months everything was political. People were chased off she didn’t like. Including us. A few years later, the chruch was shut down. Even the guy who paid to build the building quit. They tore it down, and the UMC sold the land to an apartment developer. There is a UMC church up the road from us. Their previous pastor was an older guy who was kind of a jerk. Not in a “tell it how it is and let the chips fall where they may” sort, but just a generally unpleasant person to be around. So a lot of people left and the church suffered. A few years ago they had a lady come in who is probably in her 40s. She’s nice enough and people started coming back. I don’t know her super well, but I think she’s left leaning, but not in the SJW category. She had made the comment before that her church is split fairly evenly between conservative people and liberals. I know some of the people she would call conservative & they would probably be centrist in my church, but still. So I’m kind of curious how this controversy will shake out for them. I’m not connected to the UMC in any way, but I still hate to see local churches suffer. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 10:56:31 AM EDT
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Part of the issue with the Catholic line is that a lot of Catholics think their religion is genetic and despite not going to church in decades, not believing in anything the church says, and not having any affiliation with the church at all, will still call themselves Catholic because Grandma was. They tend to be leftists. Protestants usually have less of a problem with that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Part of the issue with the Catholic line is that a lot of Catholics think their religion is genetic and despite not going to church in decades, not believing in anything the church says, and not having any affiliation with the church at all, will still call themselves Catholic because Grandma was. They tend to be leftists. Protestants usually have less of a problem with that. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 11:00:14 AM EDT
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Used to listen to an Irish pastor. He would always say you don’t know the answer because you don’t read your Bibles. True then true now. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 11:06:22 AM EDT
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Kind of like a lot of Jews. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Part of the issue with the Catholic line is that a lot of Catholics think their religion is genetic and despite not going to church in decades, not believing in anything the church says, and not having any affiliation with the church at all, will still call themselves Catholic because Grandma was. They tend to be leftists. Protestants usually have less of a problem with that. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 11:12:00 AM EDT
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Ok - what's the most conservative Christian denomination that has TV, power tools, telephone, internet, and lets you operate motor vehicles? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/6/2019 11:12:02 AM EDT
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The difference is that most of those Jews at least acknowledge that they're secular or cultural Jews, while most Catholics that fall into that category insist that they're Catholic, despite living with their significant other, not going to church, using contraception, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Part of the issue with the Catholic line is that a lot of Catholics think their religion is genetic and despite not going to church in decades, not believing in anything the church says, and not having any affiliation with the church at all, will still call themselves Catholic because Grandma was. They tend to be leftists. Protestants usually have less of a problem with that. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 11:17:14 AM EDT
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I hate to break this to you, but the Baptist Faith and Mission statement says nothing about alcohol or dancing. King David was a man after God's own heart, and danced naked in the streets for joy before his Lord. Jesus' first public miracle was turning water into wine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'd say Southern Baptist is the most conservative. No beer/wine/dancing/buttsex allowed. King David was a man after God's own heart, and danced naked in the streets for joy before his Lord. Jesus' first public miracle was turning water into wine. From the SBC - Southern Baptist Convention Resolutions |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 11:23:44 AM EDT
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One of my wife’s aunts refuses to eat anywhere alcohol is served. She isn’t a baptist, more of a pentecostal in some ways. But not the no pants kind.
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Posted: 2/6/2019 11:25:55 AM EDT
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I have a friend who will be covering the vote (writes for one of the Methodist mags) "live". She was in Portland at the last conference and the LBGT folks were really militant then. They are not taking NO for an answer and want to change a church rather than go to a "church" that aligns with them. This is going to be a shit show of the highest order. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 11:27:35 AM EDT
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" RESOLVED, That the messengers to the Southern Baptist Convention meeting in Greensboro, North Carolina, June 13-14, 2006, express our total opposition to the manufacturing, advertising, distributing, and consuming of alcoholic beverages; and be it further" From the SBC - Southern Baptist Convention Resolutions Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'd say Southern Baptist is the most conservative. No beer/wine/dancing/buttsex allowed. King David was a man after God's own heart, and danced naked in the streets for joy before his Lord. Jesus' first public miracle was turning water into wine. From the SBC - Southern Baptist Convention Resolutions They’re meant to express the thoughts of people at a particular meeting at a particular time, but are not binding on anyone nor do they express the beliefs of Southern Baptists at large. It is fair to say that most Southern Baptists are against drinking. That position does seem to soften among younger generations though. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 11:28:22 AM EDT
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This is a YUUGE beef with me about the UMC. They assign pastors rather than letting the congregation interview candidates and make a selection. In other words, no one in the congregation is invested in the new pastor. The new pastor may or may not 'fit in' to the community or the congregation for that matter. I was on the Pastor-Parish relations committee at my church when our long-time pastor was moved away by the UMC. Our pastor was a dynamic evangelist who really grew the size of the congregation and inspired lots of improvements. The new pastor was a guy looking for a place to land until retirement in a few years. No energy, no vision, no charisma. He could give a good sermon but that was all. Unfortunately he could go from zero to angry asshole in about five seconds. Next pastor the UMC sent us was a woman. All hell broke loose. Waves of people left the church. We could have told the UMC not to send us a woman but that advice would fall on deaf ears. Ever since then, our church is a shadow of its former self. Very sad, really. Now we have a 60 year old man but he's a SJW. Nice guy and somewhat energetic, but still when sitting in the pew on Sunday morning, I feel I am being preached at instead of preached to. There's no doubt in my mind that we won't rise again until we can select our own pastor. For that reason among others, I advocate a split and a new rule with whatever body we join that we can pick our own pastor. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Then we got assigned a 25yo woman pastor. I was on the Pastor-Parish relations committee at my church when our long-time pastor was moved away by the UMC. Our pastor was a dynamic evangelist who really grew the size of the congregation and inspired lots of improvements. The new pastor was a guy looking for a place to land until retirement in a few years. No energy, no vision, no charisma. He could give a good sermon but that was all. Unfortunately he could go from zero to angry asshole in about five seconds. Next pastor the UMC sent us was a woman. All hell broke loose. Waves of people left the church. We could have told the UMC not to send us a woman but that advice would fall on deaf ears. Ever since then, our church is a shadow of its former self. Very sad, really. Now we have a 60 year old man but he's a SJW. Nice guy and somewhat energetic, but still when sitting in the pew on Sunday morning, I feel I am being preached at instead of preached to. There's no doubt in my mind that we won't rise again until we can select our own pastor. For that reason among others, I advocate a split and a new rule with whatever body we join that we can pick our own pastor. Wound up joining a non denomination church for several years until they decided they wanted to be the next PTL. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 11:31:36 AM EDT
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Dang. There is a UMC church up the road from us. Their previous pastor was an older guy who was kind of a jerk. Not in a “tell it how it is and let the chips fall where they may” sort, but just a generally unpleasant person to be around. So a lot of people left and the church suffered. A few years ago they had a lady come in who is probably in her 40s. She’s nice enough and people started coming back. I don’t know her super well, but I think she’s left leaning, but not in the SJW category. She had made the comment before that her church is split fairly evenly between conservative people and liberals. I know some of the people she would call conservative & they would probably be centrist in my church, but still. So I’m kind of curious how this controversy will shake out for them. I’m not connected to the UMC in any way, but I still hate to see local churches suffer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know of two churches local to me that split off over this. Sad part is that the UMC owns all land and buildings for all of the UMC churches, so the individual congregations that are dropping out of the association are having to buy the land and church buildings. The Church was not so accomodating then: they forbade the sale of the parish buildings back to the members. Ironically I think the gay bishop who's appointment led to the whole ECUSA schism divorced somewhat recently. Anyway, I predict this will follow the similar pattern: The split will happen, and the SJW wing will slowly die off. The conservative wing will be smaller but stronger. Benedict option and all that. Also, nothing good comes from women pastors. I think we have enough data to conclude that. ETA: On the plus side, this will probably get my buddy's wife to finally become Catholic. He went with his wife to her parents' church and was pretty sure he knew more about John Wesley's beliefs than the pastor did. Then we got assigned a 25yo woman pastor. Within 3 months everything was political. People were chased off she didn’t like. Including us. A few years later, the chruch was shut down. Even the guy who paid to build the building quit. They tore it down, and the UMC sold the land to an apartment developer. There is a UMC church up the road from us. Their previous pastor was an older guy who was kind of a jerk. Not in a “tell it how it is and let the chips fall where they may” sort, but just a generally unpleasant person to be around. So a lot of people left and the church suffered. A few years ago they had a lady come in who is probably in her 40s. She’s nice enough and people started coming back. I don’t know her super well, but I think she’s left leaning, but not in the SJW category. She had made the comment before that her church is split fairly evenly between conservative people and liberals. I know some of the people she would call conservative & they would probably be centrist in my church, but still. So I’m kind of curious how this controversy will shake out for them. I’m not connected to the UMC in any way, but I still hate to see local churches suffer. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 11:41:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: http://mennoniteusa.org/who-we-are/ Get out of the basement, or Russia, or wherever an look around, you'll be shocked. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 11:42:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It never split, small part broke off that broke into much smaller parts who now fight over whether rock n' roll and dancing will make you go to hell or if you can't speak in tongues while twirling snakes around or how many planets you get when you die. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 11:43:39 AM EDT
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Quit the United Methodist Church when I was 13 years old, nearly 40 years ago. My mom used to get the READERS DIGEST and they used to have many articles about the Methodist Church supporting communist guerilla movements in Africa and Central and South America. I was being "confirmed" and told the Reverend that I never felt that I belonged to the church and how can they support godless communist? He told me that I didn't have to be there if I didn't want to, so I walked out and never returned to any religion. I figured out what a scam religion is- man's perversion of GODS words and works to suit their own end, when I was a teenager. Surprised it took so many people this long to figure out what a satanic church the United Methodist are. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 11:54:13 AM EDT
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lol, I know ya'll love to hate on atheists but I'll be damned if you don't love to hate on eachother more. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 11:58:40 AM EDT
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Comment ws intended for humor. I am, as you can probably deduce, a Southern Baptist. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/6/2019 11:59:54 AM EDT
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I see what is happening to the UMC to be exactly the same thing going on with the boy scouts trying to show how PC and enlightened they are. The last two official boy scout emails I received had girls front and center, one of which was concerning Boy Scout uniforms.
By trying to be accommodating to everyone they are alienating their base. How many homosexuals will join the UMC? How many conservatives will leave the church over the issue? I'm betting the latter is the higher number. Same with scouts losing more members than they gain by pushing the fact they allow girls. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 12:16:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/6/2019 12:25:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most liberal church that I was ever in was Mennonite. Most of them didn't bring a bible along to church. Didn't really need one as the preacher seldom referred to scripture. They all have various enterprises that feed off one another. They come in to the shop I work at once in a great while and they are kind of odd to work for. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 12:34:09 PM EDT
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I am sure the UMC will split (I was a youth pastor at a conservative church for about 2 years). The progressive/LGBT cancer will either kill them or force the split. There are still tons of great, conservative/moderate UMC churches out there. But in order to stay relevant, they've made deals with the devil. The SJW churches aren't the ones that are growing. Cancer eventually dies, but it usually involves killing the host, too.
Look at every church denomination in the US: progressive churches do not survive often after they adopt SJW tactics. They typically do it to respond to church attendance slowing down, but going hard-left rarely saves them unless they are in an ultra-liberal town. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 12:36:18 PM EDT
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If they are following the teachings in the bible there would be no split or issues of division. It's because the leaders aren't doing just that is the reason they are looking at a split. Lucifer's job is to sow division and he's doing it very well here. Just one of the many reasons I don't attend a church. One can worship god without being part of a church. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 4:59:16 PM EDT
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He's bad but we've had worse. We survived them and we'll survive him. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 5:00:54 PM EDT
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This. Where I live, probably 80% of the population or more identifies as Catholic. Most only go to Church on Christmas and Easter, if ever. The rest only set foot in a church for weddings, funerals, and baptisms (they'll baptize their kids and then never take them again). Even among those that attend Mass weekly, most don't truly hold to the faith. The church closest to me has a weekly Mass attendance of 1500+. It has confession for 40 minutes a week, and my wife and I have never waited in line for more than 5 minutes and usually don't wait at all. With 300+ people at a Mass, if my wife and I haven't been to confession, we're almost always the only ones not getting up for communion. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 5:03:33 PM EDT
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Thousands literally did not survive some of them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He's bad but we've had worse. We survived them and we'll survive him. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 5:08:25 PM EDT
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For the vast majority of people, their professed religion is nothing more than tradition or identity. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 5:10:50 PM EDT
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Typical Protestants. Give them enough time and there won't be any churches left.. Everyone will have split off and started their own church. Church of Mike and Church of Gwen and Church of...... ETA: And many left in disappointment because what Jesus said was too difficult to accept. (Real Presence) |
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Posted: 2/8/2019 11:20:27 PM EDT
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Any updates?
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Posted: 2/9/2019 2:06:43 AM EDT
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Not yet.
The LGBTQ faction is pushing “One Church” inclusionary model. In other words, they win. |
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Posted: 2/9/2019 4:05:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thousands literally did not survive some of them. It had a 1% execution rate, over 125000 trials, over about 200 years. The worst crimes of the Inquisition have widely been proven to be Elizabethan English IO. |
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Posted: 2/9/2019 4:07:10 AM EDT
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now that is hilarious.... catholics definitely follow the Bible to the letter and are absolutely the answer!!! Question, how was the Bible compiled? |
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Posted: 2/9/2019 4:21:45 AM EDT
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The Catholic Church generally moves slowly. We are still seeing today, the effect of liberals from the late 1950's. Our current sex scandals are firmly rooted in a church and seminary 60 years ago. If you look at the men becoming priests today, it is easy to see a pendulum swinging the other direction. Unlike the priests of mine youth who saw the Church as a good life and escape from poverty, unlike the generation after them that saw a seminary as a gay sex club, the new group seems to actually be religious. As time goes and they progress, the pews will change. Perhaps the church will not grow, but what remains will be believers. |
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Posted: 2/9/2019 4:31:42 AM EDT
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Big problem right there as women are not allowed to be pastors or teach men in any spiritual way, according to God not me Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ignore the scripture a little, and it's easy to find yourself ignoring it a lot, or altogether. ETA: It's all part of cultural Marxism. Socialism is a religious dogma, and it must disrupt and prostrate all other dogmas before it. Only churches that teach socialism are acceptable, because to them socialism is the only acceptable thing to teach and practice. That means that no men ever should read this book: https://smile.amazon.com/Christians-Secret-Happy-Life-ebook/dp/B00B85LZ46/ And yet it's a well-reviewed classic for generations. I'm pretty sure back in the good old conservative days from a hundred years ago, a man or two glanced at it. 
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Posted: 2/9/2019 4:50:11 AM EDT
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Religon.
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Posted: 2/9/2019 5:01:07 AM EDT
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Quoted: This happened to me at my UMC. New chruch building in a growing area. We had a great male pastor, very active youth, growing congregation. My wife And I got married there. She helped with Sunday School, I was a trustee, and worked the AV equipment every week. We had a wonderful thing going. Very happy. Then we got assigned a 25yo woman pastor. Within 3 months everything was political. People were chased off she didn’t like. Including us. A few years later, the chruch was shut down. Even the guy who paid to build the building quit. They tore it down, and the UMC sold the land to an apartment developer. They think they can force something on everyone, but it doesn't work. People just leave. Quoted:
Me too. It’s amazing how many UMC pastors are women now too. We wanted to move to a different UMC chruch in our area. All but two were run by women. The one vlosest to my house gave a blazing sermon on being a white church, not a black one, the one time I attended. (I have mixed kids, they weren’t with me at the time). Wound up joining a non denomination church for several years until they decided they wanted to be the next PTL. I do take exception to the idea that women have nothing of value to offer on an intellectual level pertaining to religion...which is something that came up in a GD thread maybe a year or so ago. One member even claimed that all Christian books written by women were "shallow" and not worth much...only good for other women to read, but not men. And a lot of other stuff, like a mom cannot teach her sons anything related to religion after some indeterminate young age. Yeah, I just don't see that happening... 
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Posted: 2/9/2019 5:09:42 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/9/2019 8:10:10 PM EDT
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My church only has male clergy, so I'm used to that (and don't have a problem with it), but, as for the rest of it...really? That means that no men ever should read this book: https://smile.amazon.com/Christians-Secret-Happy-Life-ebook/dp/B00B85LZ46/ And yet it's a well-reviewed classic for generations. I'm pretty sure back in the good old conservative days from a hundred years ago, a man or two glanced at it. |
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Posted: 2/9/2019 8:13:45 PM EDT
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Authoring a book is not the same thing as being sanctioned by Christian church to be a pastor. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My church only has male clergy, so I'm used to that (and don't have a problem with it), but, as for the rest of it...really? That means that no men ever should read this book: https://smile.amazon.com/Christians-Secret-Happy-Life-ebook/dp/B00B85LZ46/ And yet it's a well-reviewed classic for generations. I'm pretty sure back in the good old conservative days from a hundred years ago, a man or two glanced at it. I'm just recalling in a previous discussion, that one of our members went so far as to say men shouldn't read Christian-themed books written by women, because women weren't cut out to write anything that good—certainly not good enough for men to read. (I'm paraphrasing.) |
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Posted: 2/9/2019 8:29:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We are. Only one seems to qualify and stand the test of time. Only one has The Name of Christ in its name. Only one adheres to the commandments of God. The rest sway and flow with the influence and "wisdom" of men. Only one is rejected by the world and the religions of men. |
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Posted: 2/9/2019 8:50:49 PM EDT
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I see what is happening to the UMC to be exactly the same thing going on with the boy scouts trying to show how PC and enlightened they are. The last two official boy scout emails I received had girls front and center, one of which was concerning Boy Scout uniforms. By trying to be accommodating to everyone they are alienating their base. How many homosexuals will join the UMC? How many conservatives will leave the church over the issue? I'm betting the latter is the higher number. Same with scouts losing more members than they gain by pushing the fact they allow girls. Who can afford a $135,000 lawsuit for refusing to cook a sacreligious wedding cake? That happened in Oregon, when two homosexuals deliberately targeted a Christian-owned bakery; in a state the size and persuasion of Oregon, there MUST be a bakery owned and operated by sympathetic persons. My brother's story is becoming too typical. In the city of Seaside, CA, there was a "health clinic" being built. It was almost complete when they let it slip that it was a Planned Parenthood facility, which NO ONE wanted there! The day the City Council was going to vote on it, some ACLU lawyers took the Mayor (who would cast the deciding vote against the clinic) into a back room and threatened him with a ruinous lawsuit if he voted against the clinic! |
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Posted: 2/9/2019 8:57:35 PM EDT
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Worst pope ever. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Catholic church will be next. Current Pope is a fucking commie. |
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Posted: 2/9/2019 9:07:51 PM EDT
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This is what you get when you pick and choose what to believe out of the bible. It's not a buffet, people. |
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Posted: 2/9/2019 9:26:49 PM EDT
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Mennonites. |
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Posted: 2/9/2019 9:27:54 PM EDT
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A lot of people have been leaving their church for another one because of issues like this.
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