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Posted: 1/16/2018 5:33:45 PM EST

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If he went back to his car to retrieve the gun, that’s likely going to be a big problem for his defense to overcome.

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Agreed.

Though depending on circumstances it can still be articulated as reasonable.

1. If he felt in fear of death or GBH
2. Ran back to vehicle due to that fear
3. Firearm was in immediate access
4. The two guys closed the distance on him once firearm was retrieved

Posted: 1/16/2018 5:37:49 PM EST

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Wasn't WI the 49th state to finally adopt shall issue concealed carry? More recently, your governor, a true defender of freedom, has said he was happy with the existing licensing system and wouldn't sign a constitutional carry bill. Don't act like you live in some bastion of freedom over there. Also, no Somalis in WI? None?

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When a mostly leftist late-comer can surpass you with little effort, the problem is you.

Posted: 1/16/2018 5:49:01 PM EST

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What kind of idiot would DARE somebody to shoot them?

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It happens more often than you'd think.

I seem to recall a thread a month or two ago with two neighbors in a feud yelling at each other. One had a 12 gauge and obliged the other when he said "shoot me" or something.

Posted: 1/16/2018 5:49:09 PM EST

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More info
http://www.kaaltv.com/news/police-rochester-teen-dead-after-shooting-incident-25-year-old-man-in-custody/4743466/

Police say the shooter, Alexander Weiss, went back to his car to get a gun after getting in a confrontation with Rahim and another teen and then shot Rahim at a fairly close range.

Sherwin said Rahim and the other teen who confronted Weiss may have been under the influence of a controlled substance at the time of the incident. He also said law enforcement has had "frequent" contact with Rahim prior to the shooting, though he did not elaborate on the contact due to Rahim being a minor.

So the "victim" was known to cops. But the shooter going back to his car to get his piece raises some more questions. I wonder if the kid followed him back to his car or if he got his gun and went back to them.

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Depends on if "going back" was a retreat or if it was round trip.

Posted: 1/16/2018 5:54:38 PM EST

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I know a guy that was drunk and doing drugs too. At a party he dared/bet his best friend to pick up a knife on the table and try to stab him. Drunk guy claimed to be a superior martial arts expert. His friend picks up the knife and stabbed him 13 times.

How many times do you stab someone to win a bet? Apparently 13

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I’m going to question the sincerity of that friendship.

Posted: 1/16/2018 5:57:41 PM EST

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If he went back to his car to retrieve the gun, that’s likely going to be a big problem for his defense to overcome.

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I would think it would be the opposite, Weiss got out of his car unarmed with zero intent to hurt anyone. The moron and his buddy came at him so he retreated to his vehicle where he had a firearm, then they continued to aggressively pursue him. At this point Weiss now armed had nowhere else to retreat to so he took the shot and not a beating or worse.

I would like to see photos of the accident and a clearer timeline. The second article says his vehicle was struck by the dead idiot and friends, I wonder if he could have left if he had wanted to at that point.

Posted: 1/16/2018 6:02:53 PM EST

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If he went back to his car to retrieve the gun, that’s likely going to be a big problem for his defense to overcome.

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Or maybe he was going to his car to leave, but couldn't. More info needed to know. He had a carry permit, was his gun in the car?

Posted: 1/16/2018 6:07:13 PM EST

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Moral of the story is: Don't bring a dare to a gunfight.

Posted: 1/16/2018 6:09:07 PM EST

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He better have a better reason than 'he dared me.'

As usual, race is irrelevant to the facts but the media will throw it out there to get people to jump to conclusions.

White guy could be a murderer, Somali could've deserved it - but we sure don't know from that article.

Posted: 1/16/2018 6:12:34 PM EST

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People seem to believe they can do anything, (be aggressive, chest bump, etc) without consequence.

It's almost like they are trying to bait you and play the victim.

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Approach me with a hand gun in your hand and see what happens! They may have 'over reacted' but.......

It seems the handgun only got pulled out after the 17 year old got aggressive and got in the other guy's face.

People seem to believe they can do anything, (be aggressive, chest bump, etc) without consequence.

It's almost like they are trying to bait you and play the victim.

Not worth shooting over a chest bump

Learn some self-defense and understand how to create space so you have some steps to protect yourself/de-escalate instead of going from chest-bump to gunfire.

Posted: 1/16/2018 6:14:30 PM EST

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NOT guilty

Posted: 1/16/2018 6:15:44 PM EST

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What kind of idiot would DARE somebody to shoot them?

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Do you need another example?

Posted: 1/16/2018 6:16:05 PM EST

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I actually live in Rochester and can shed more light on the case based on information the police have released:

1. Two individuals got out and confronted Weiss who had pulled over to help after they ran their car into a ditch.
2. He didn't just stand there and say "I dare you". The kid was physically and aggressively moving towards Weiss when shot.
3. Cops found Meth and pills in the car.

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31st and East River Road has what looks like a large apartment complex. Do you know if this is a problem area for Rochester? The ditch looks like it's along 31st. From Google maps it looks like a decent neighborhood.

Posted: 1/16/2018 6:20:01 PM EST

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<Removed -40xb>

Posted: 1/16/2018 6:29:44 PM EST

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I guess he lost the dare

Posted: 1/16/2018 6:54:09 PM EST

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I guess he lost the dare

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It would seem so. I'll betcha he won't dare anybody again.

Posted: 1/16/2018 7:10:18 PM EST

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I hope the shooter walks and gets his piece back.

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Why this is why we can't have nice things cause people think that Deadly Force can be used cause a moron is yelling at you, Reationary distance and all ... but seriously, most of you think it is a good shoot just cause he kneels on a rug.

People need to learn when deadly force is acceptable

Posted: 1/16/2018 7:32:26 PM EST

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31st and East River Road has what looks like a large apartment complex. Do you know if this is a problem area for Rochester? The ditch looks like it's along 31st. From Google maps it looks like a decent neighborhood.

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Both of those apartment complexes, "The Square" and "Olympik Village" are low income housing. Seedy area. Just north of that intersection on East River across 37th is a park/lake that has a beach area. One of the biggest drug selling spots in town.

Posted: 1/16/2018 8:12:24 PM EST

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"I dare you to shoot me" are words I will not be saying

just doesn't seem to be a good idea

Posted: 1/16/2018 8:32:16 PM EST

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Nope.

We were trying to get it, but it died in committee.

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I thought MN had a castle doctrine?

Also back in the day the some of the Somali population used to terrorise parts of EP and it's citizens. The police used to shake the hands of people who defended themselves. Wonder what happened..

Nope.

We were trying to get it, but it died in committee.

A committee with a GOP majority, I might add.

Posted: 1/16/2018 8:38:19 PM EST

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If Weiss really was in fear of his life, I think he will walk.

They'll keep him in jail for a while - until the SJWs quit clamoring for a noose.

Posted: 1/16/2018 8:41:34 PM EST

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People need to learn when deadly force is acceptable

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People need to learn that threatening others might end poorly for you.

Posted: 1/16/2018 9:02:56 PM EST

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I'm all for ventilating things/people, BUT I would bet one whole jar of mayo that If the races were switched GD would be calling for the chair already.

Just sayin

Posted: 1/16/2018 9:14:02 PM EST

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Some folks just need killin.

Posted: 1/16/2018 9:14:16 PM EST

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He did dare him.

Notice how the news mentions his religion and not that it was over road rage.

Posted: 1/16/2018 9:26:01 PM EST

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Agreed.

Though depending on circumstances it can still be articulated as reasonable.

1. If he felt in fear of death or GBH
2. Ran back to vehicle due to that fear
3. Firearm was in immediate access
4. The two guys closed the distance on him once firearm was retrieved

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If he went back to his car to retrieve the gun, that’s likely going to be a big problem for his defense to overcome.

Agreed.

Though depending on circumstances it can still be articulated as reasonable.

1. If he felt in fear of death or GBH
2. Ran back to vehicle due to that fear
3. Firearm was in immediate access
4. The two guys closed the distance on him once firearm was retrieved

Duty to retreat done.

Posted: 1/16/2018 9:42:17 PM EST

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Aloha snack bar asshole

Posted: 1/16/2018 9:45:37 PM EST

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Unless there's a bunch of witnesses, I can't see how the shooters story could be proven/disproven

Felt threatened, I shot

Posted: 1/16/2018 9:47:31 PM EST

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I read somewhere that the decedent had, deliberately or not, rammed the shooter's car immediately before the face-to-face.

Posted: 1/16/2018 9:50:54 PM EST

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Unless there's a bunch of witnesses, I can't see how the shooters story could be proven/disproven

Felt threatened, I shot

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Per some links posted, the dead guy had at least two friends with him. One in the car and one out of the car when the shooting took place.

Posted: 1/16/2018 9:51:04 PM EST

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Unless there's a bunch of witnesses, I can't see how the shooters story could be proven/disproven

Felt threatened, I shot

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No stand your ground law in MN, so “I felt threatened” probably won’t cut it. Your actions need to be found reasonable for the circumstances. The jury needs be thinking, “Yeah, I’d have shot him, too.”

Posted: 1/16/2018 9:51:48 PM EST

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It seems the handgun only got pulled out after the 17 year old got aggressive and got in the other guy's face.

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Approach me with a hand gun in your hand and see what happens! They may have 'over reacted' but.......

It seems the handgun only got pulled out after the 17 year old got aggressive and got in the other guy's face.

Those kind of situations always remind me of the cop in the movie First Blood:

“If you’re looking for trouble, you’ve come to the right place.”

Posted: 1/16/2018 9:53:13 PM EST

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I always thought it would be funny / ironic if we asked all of you who constantly support things like this cold blooded murder and genocide (you know the 7 posts you will get of the mushroom cloud when you talk about the ME or Detroit hood, etc.) your stance on abortion.

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Bless your heart.

Posted: 1/16/2018 9:53:50 PM EST

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Dude, I'm a fucking Navy seal and have literally hundreds of kills under my belt and still wouldn't go hands on, ok? You don't know if he's hodling a fucking M80 under those sheets or got an XRP behind his back ready to gut you and your squad like Alaskan salmon. Yea, I get it, you know karate, as do I -- I'm a fucking black belt and have been since I was 8 years old. I've won hundreds of tournaments without breaking a sweat. I've got trophies taller than me. I've spent 15 years training rouge groups such as the Cambodian ADA or other misc FUEL groups working covertly across African basins in hand-to-hand combat. I speak 9 languages, including HTML. So please, kid, tell me how you'd blindly take down a tango with your bare hands? I bet you can't!

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No you wouldn't.

Yeah I would. I'm not an ARFCOM commando shit talker like most of you guys. I have actual life experience, not just internet fantasies.

Dude, I'm a fucking Navy seal and have literally hundreds of kills under my belt and still wouldn't go hands on, ok? You don't know if he's hodling a fucking M80 under those sheets or got an XRP behind his back ready to gut you and your squad like Alaskan salmon. Yea, I get it, you know karate, as do I -- I'm a fucking black belt and have been since I was 8 years old. I've won hundreds of tournaments without breaking a sweat. I've got trophies taller than me. I've spent 15 years training rouge groups such as the Cambodian ADA or other misc FUEL groups working covertly across African basins in hand-to-hand combat. I speak 9 languages, including HTML. So please, kid, tell me how you'd blindly take down a tango with your bare hands? I bet you can't!

Yup, thanks for proving my point. I’m no spec ops like you but I’ve gone a few rounds. Luckily I came out ahead on more than not. So there’s that.
You are a bad ass sir. Thank you for your service.

Posted: 1/16/2018 9:54:53 PM EST

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Awesome video...only plays the ad.

Posted: 1/16/2018 9:55:26 PM EST

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Lol... you act like there is supposed to be fair play.... almost like your supposed to give the criminal a sporting chance..

taking this situation (that we know very little about) aside.. that's real retarded...

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There is NO such thing as a fair fight.

Posted: 1/17/2018 12:58:21 PM EST

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http://www.startribune.com/rochester-man-charged-in-shooting-death-of-teen-who-dared-him-to-shoot/469757373/

The Olmsted County District Attorney Wednesday charged Alexander W. Weiss, 25, with second degree murder...

Weiss has a permit to carry a firearm and used a Glock 19 handgun with a 17-round magazine to shoot Rahim once at point-blank range...

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Posted: 1/17/2018 1:04:40 PM EST

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I'll go with good shoot based on what little info there is. Don't run up on somebody after you crashed into them, he may think you're trying to kill him.

Posted: 1/17/2018 1:08:06 PM EST

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Why this is why we can't have nice things cause people think that Deadly Force can be used cause a moron is yelling at you, Reationary distance and all ... but seriously, most of you think it is a good shoot just cause he kneels on a rug.

People need to learn when deadly force is acceptable

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I hope the shooter walks and gets his piece back.

Why this is why we can't have nice things cause people think that Deadly Force can be used cause a moron is yelling at you, Reationary distance and all ... but seriously, most of you think it is a good shoot just cause he kneels on a rug.

People need to learn when deadly force is acceptable

Like when 2 perps are rushing you, as in this case. It wasn't a casual walk over to ensure Weiss was okay, it was a confrontational argument

Posted: 1/17/2018 1:10:45 PM EST

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Is that normal to have the investigation wrapped up in 2 days and charges filed?

Dude should have not said a word like the somali cop in Minneapolis, that's working out pretty good for him after shooting an unarmed woman.

Posted: 1/17/2018 1:14:26 PM EST

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Just a dare? Bad shoot.

Now, if it was a double or - GASP! - a triple-dog dare, he had absolutely no choice in the matter.

Posted: 1/17/2018 1:23:20 PM EST

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And of course were expected to believe the "victims" buddies account of events. Didn't do nothing that warranted getting shot.

Posted: 1/17/2018 2:08:31 PM EST

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The Olmsted County District Attorney Wednesday charged Alexander W. Weiss, 25, with second degree murder...

Weiss has a permit to carry a firearm and used a Glock 19 handgun with a 17-round magazine to shoot Rahim once at point-blank range...

This should be enough to free him if they followed/chased him back to his car.....

Posted: 1/17/2018 2:12:39 PM EST

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What happened to the days when a double dog dare ment something!

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Surpassed by the double tap!

Posted: 1/17/2018 2:13:45 PM EST

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I read somewhere that the decedent had, deliberately or not, rammed the shooter's car immediately before the face-to-face.

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Should this be true, the duty to retreat block should be satisfied as the decedent was representing a continuing threat.

Posted: 1/17/2018 2:22:00 PM EST

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Dude is in jail.

let this be a lesson to everyone. DONT TALK TO THE POLICE WITHOUT AN ATTORNEY PRESENT.

"I was in fear for my life. I will give a full statement in presence of my attorney"

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Advises people to not talk to police.
Provides meaningless script presumably to recite to police.

Posted: 1/17/2018 5:39:50 PM EST

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Here is the charges.

https://www.co.olmsted.mn.us/attorney/Documents/Weiss%202nd%20Deg.%20Murder%20Complaint.pdf

External witness did not support Weiss story.

Posted: 1/17/2018 5:43:55 PM EST

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What kind of idiot would DARE somebody to shoot them?

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Darwin?

Posted: 1/17/2018 6:06:15 PM EST

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Here is the charges.

https://www.co.olmsted.mn.us/attorney/Documents/Weiss%202nd%20Deg.%20Murder%20Complaint.pdf

External witness did not support Weiss story.

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What part of Witness 2's story do you believe doesn't support Weiss' version?

Posted: 1/17/2018 6:18:32 PM EST

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What part of Witness 2's story do you believe doesn't support Weiss' version?

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What part of Witness 2's story do you believe doesn't support Weiss' version?

Weiss said the guy was advancing and witness 2 said he was not.
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that Victim then grabbed at WEISS's gun, soWEISS stepped back and shot Victim once.

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According to Witness 2, Victim was not touching WEISS, nor was3Victim raising a fist or advancing toward WEISS at the time WEISS fired a shot at Victim

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