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Quoted: I don't think it comes in in the self defense analysis unless the shooter had the knowledge. I would definitely try some legal gymnastics to get it in some other way though. Knowing judges and prosecutors as I do, I would be shocked if it came in. But since they're poisoning the jury pool, might as well get it out there as much as possible in the media and social media. View Quote Not a Lawyer, but from the prior videos ( below ) of Rosenbaum being aggressive, could Rittenhouse put that in evidence if he says "I was there watching how aggressive Rosenbaum was, and on being chased, I knew it was the same guy"? Joseph Rosenbaum was killed by gunman Kyle Rittenhouse in Kenosha.He is saying "shoot me nigga" |
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View Quote Holy shit this guy. "If average white people get pissed off, the only thing that can stop them is the government." "If white people decided to turn on every other race in the united states .... [all other races would lose] ... the only people who's going to stop them is the government." |
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Quoted: Not a Lawyer, but from the prior videos ( below ) of Rosenbaum being aggressive, could Rittenhouse put that in evidence if he says "I was there watching how aggressive Rosenbaum was, and on being chased, I knew it was the same guy"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N70fok1R2Kg View Quote LoL His agression was chilling. The bottom line is. He threw an object at him, and then aggressively tried to grab his weapon. He had the right to fear for his life. |
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Quoted: Tucker had heard, he made that statement to make viewers think it was the first time he had been presented the info because it connects with viewers. I am surprised his lawyer was so nervous. He didn't present the scene in the order it occured and stammered a bit. I could never had done as well so don't go there. I just find it surprising. The law team is going to eat the prosecution up with the facts and Elmer Fudd could win this in trial which it won't go to. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Tucker had heard, he made that statement to make viewers think it was the first time he had been presented the info because it connects with viewers. I am surprised his lawyer was so nervous. He didn't present the scene in the order it occured and stammered a bit. I could never had done as well so don't go there. I just find it surprising. The law team is going to eat the prosecution up with the facts and Elmer Fudd could win this in trial which it won't go to. Opening and closing statements will be highly rehearsed and persuasive. A live TV interview where you're answering questions too ... you just don't want to fuck up and say something that hurts you later. |
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I'm confused at the criticism of the attorney. Read that before seeing the interview and frankly, once I watched it, thought he did just fine.
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Quoted: Not a Lawyer, but from the prior videos ( below ) of Rosenbaum being aggressive, could Rittenhouse put that in evidence if he says "I was there watching how aggressive Rosenbaum was, and on being chased, I knew it was the same guy"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N70fok1R2Kg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I don't think it comes in in the self defense analysis unless the shooter had the knowledge. I would definitely try some legal gymnastics to get it in some other way though. Knowing judges and prosecutors as I do, I would be shocked if it came in. But since they're poisoning the jury pool, might as well get it out there as much as possible in the media and social media. Not a Lawyer, but from the prior videos ( below ) of Rosenbaum being aggressive, could Rittenhouse put that in evidence if he says "I was there watching how aggressive Rosenbaum was, and on being chased, I knew it was the same guy"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N70fok1R2Kg Absolutely. It's no different from a police shooting case. If a cop shoots Ted Bundy during a traffic stop, but had no way of knowing it was Ted Bundy prior to the shooting, or no way of knowing that Ted Bundy was a serial killer, then it's irrelevant to the reasonableness analysis. But, if the dispatcher advises him that he's just pulled over a fugitive suspected serial killer, OTOH, that becomes an important part of the fact pattern and will absolutely be admissible evidence. With the caveat that different scenarios are presented in a civil trial vs. a criminal trial where it's possible that a shooter could choose not to testify. But that seems unlikely here. |
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Quoted: Not a Lawyer, but from the prior videos ( below ) of Rosenbaum being aggressive, could Rittenhouse put that in evidence if he says "I was there watching how aggressive Rosenbaum was, and on being chased, I knew it was the same guy"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N70fok1R2Kg View Quote That video will absolutely be allowed, also the one showing Rosenbaum pushing a burning dumpster towards the gas station. His violent actions THAT night are directly part of the incident. However his criminal history, is not likely to be allowed unless the prosecution themselves open that door. |
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Quoted: That video will absolutely be allowed, also the one showing Rosenbaum pushing a burning dumpster towards the gas station. His violent actions THAT night are directly part of the incident. However his criminal history, is not likely to be allowed unless the prosecution themselves open that door. View Quote I wonder if JoJo had any prison tats that could be readily identified as such..... |
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Quoted: I can't believe some of the replies in here. This is a gun website, right? With all of the evidence presented thus far, are there still people on here not defending Kyle? View Quote |
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Quoted: TV gives people the opinion that lawyers are all great orators when in reality they run the gambit just like everyone else. View Quote This exactly. I am not questioning his ability at all. I was just surprised he wasn’t polished like actors in movies. You know a different person is in the courtroom. It is his zone. Not a zoom interview. |
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Curious about this story.
From this persons first hand account, he states that KR had "no connection" to any militia or 'Boogalo Boi' movement. As much as the media and liberal websites have been desperately been trying to paint KR as either a 'white supremacist'/ part of a 'violent militia' or both, it seems to me that bit of information (if Balch was called as a witness), would once again show that KR was not there as part of any 'white supremacist' group, nor was he there as part of any group 'looking for trouble' (militia or otherwise). Avowed ‘boogaloo boi’ says he roamed Kenosha streets with Kyle Rittenhouse before shootings A loyalist to the boogaloo movement, which is based around the belief that a civil war is “imminent,” said as many as 32 adherents were in the Wisconsin city last Tuesday. An adherent to the far-right boogaloo movement — whose most extreme followers are reportedly looking to spark a civil war — was with Kyle Rittenhouse last week in Kenosha, Wisconsin, before the Antioch teenager allegedly opened fire on protesters, killing two and wounding another. Ryan Balch, an Army veteran from West Bend, Wisconsin, who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, said he met Rittenhouse in the lead up to last Tuesday’s shootings and spent much of the day with him. While Balch said Rittenhouse “had no connection” to the loosely organized group, he noted that as many as 32 boogaloo adherents were in Kenosha that day. Snip........... Though Balch said he was separated from Rittenhouse and didn’t witness the shootings, his account offers a window into the accused killer’s movements before the demonstration turned violent. Balch said Rittenhouse “seemed appropriately scared” but didn’t appear “frightened.” “Agitators did seem to focus on him because he seemed like an easier target than the rest of us,” said Balch. https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/8/31/21409330/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-ryan-balch-boogaloo-boi-jacob-blake Link to SPLC website attempting to portray Balch as a 'white supremacist', 'far right' ideology. Link left cold... https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2020/08/30/wisconsin-man-who-says-he-marched-rittenhouse-kenosha-was-immersed-white-supremacist |
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Quoted: Curious about this story. From this persons first hand account, he states that KR had "no connection" to any militia or 'Boogalo Boi' movement. As much as the media and liberal websites have been desperately been trying to paint KR as either a 'white supremacist'/ part of a 'violent militia' or both, it seems to me that bit of information (if Balch was called as a witness), would once again show that KR was not there as part of any 'white supremacist' group, nor was he there as part of any group 'looking for trouble' (militia or otherwise). Avowed ‘boogaloo boi’ says he roamed Kenosha streets with Kyle Rittenhouse before shootings A loyalist to the boogaloo movement, which is based around the belief that a civil war is “imminent,” said as many as 32 adherents were in the Wisconsin city last Tuesday. An adherent to the far-right boogaloo movement — whose most extreme followers are reportedly looking to spark a civil war — was with Kyle Rittenhouse last week in Kenosha, Wisconsin, before the Antioch teenager allegedly opened fire on protesters, killing two and wounding another. Ryan Balch, an Army veteran from West Bend, Wisconsin, who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, said he met Rittenhouse in the lead up to last Tuesday’s shootings and spent much of the day with him. While Balch said Rittenhouse “had no connection” to the loosely organized group, he noted that as many as 32 boogaloo adherents were in Kenosha that day. Snip........... Though Balch said he was separated from Rittenhouse and didn’t witness the shootings, his account offers a window into the accused killer’s movements before the demonstration turned violent. Balch said Rittenhouse “seemed appropriately scared” but didn’t appear “frightened.” “Agitators did seem to focus on him because he seemed like an easier target than the rest of us,” said Balch. https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/8/31/21409330/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-ryan-balch-boogaloo-boi-jacob-blake Link to SPLC website attempting to portray Balch as a 'white supremacist', 'far right' ideology. View Quote Boogaloo adherents. Lol |
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Quoted: Seems like they got separated, if that really was his brother. Don't get separated from your battle buddy. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Gun was NOT brought across state lines veryy interesting And...his older brother was acting as his guardian which means Kyle's possession, even being 17, was legal. I can't wait for the ballistics report and more details on the autopsy of the first guy Kyle had to shoot. He had no legal need for a guardian. At 17 he can legally possess and open carry that rifle all on his own. I do have to ask, though...where the heck was his brother throughout all of this? Don't get separated from your battle buddy. That's what I understand. Kyle went to help someone and in the confusion was separated. Apparently the cops showed up and Kyle could not rejoin his group so went to another location and no one was there anymore and he was attacked by Rosenbaum. Also, he was apparently almost pepper sprayed by the cops when he initially tried to turn himself in. The story isn’t 100% clear on that but he was trying to turn himself in and they had no idea what was happening other than people were down. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Curious about this story. From this persons first hand account, he states that KR had "no connection" to any militia or 'Boogalo Boi' movement. As much as the media and liberal websites have been desperately been trying to paint KR as either a 'white supremacist'/ part of a 'violent militia' or both, it seems to me that bit of information (if Balch was called as a witness), would once again show that KR was not there as part of any 'white supremacist' group, nor was he there as part of any group 'looking for trouble' (militia or otherwise). Avowed 'boogaloo boi' says he roamed Kenosha streets with Kyle Rittenhouse before shootings A loyalist to the boogaloo movement, which is based around the belief that a civil war is "imminent," said as many as 32 adherents were in the Wisconsin city last Tuesday. An adherent to the far-right boogaloo movement whose most extreme followers are reportedly looking to spark a civil war was with Kyle Rittenhouse last week in Kenosha, Wisconsin, before the Antioch teenager allegedly opened fire on protesters, killing two and wounding another. Ryan Balch, an Army veteran from West Bend, Wisconsin, who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, said he met Rittenhouse in the lead up to last Tuesday's shootings and spent much of the day with him. While Balch said Rittenhouse "had no connection" to the loosely organized group, he noted that as many as 32 boogaloo adherents were in Kenosha that day. Snip........... Though Balch said he was separated from Rittenhouse and didn't witness the shootings, his account offers a window into the accused killer's movements before the demonstration turned violent. Balch said Rittenhouse "seemed appropriately scared" but didn't appear "frightened." "Agitators did seem to focus on him because he seemed like an easier target than the rest of us," said Balch. https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/8/31/21409330/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-ryan-balch-boogaloo-boi-jacob-blake Link to SPLC website attempting to portray Balch as a 'white supremacist', 'far right' ideology. Boogaloo adherents. Lol Don’t you bow down in prayer several times a day in the direction of DK-Prof? |
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Quoted: Not a Lawyer, but from the prior videos ( below ) of Rosenbaum being aggressive, could Rittenhouse put that in evidence if he says "I was there watching how aggressive Rosenbaum was, and on being chased, I knew it was the same guy"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N70fok1R2Kg View Quote He actually shouldn't have recognized Rosenbaum because Rosenbaum had removed the red shirt and wrapped it around his face to disguise himself. Tell me that doesn't speak towards Rosenbaum's intent. Attached File |
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Quoted: He actually shouldn't have recognized Rosenbaum because Rosenbaum had removed the red shirt and wrapped it around his face to disguise himself. Tell me that doesn't speak towards Rosenbaum's intent. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/50664/headshot_jpg-1572709.JPG View Quote You don't need to see the face to recognize that oompa loompa in the crowd. Short, loud, high pitched voice, ghetto/ebonics inflection. |
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Quoted: You don't need to see the face to recognize that oompa loompa in the crowd. Short, loud, high pitched voice, ghetto/ebonics inflection. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: He actually shouldn't have recognized Rosenbaum because Rosenbaum had removed the red shirt and wrapped it around his face to disguise himself. Tell me that doesn't speak towards Rosenbaum's intent. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/50664/headshot_jpg-1572709.JPG You don't need to see the face to recognize that oompa loompa in the crowd. Short, loud, high pitched voice, ghetto/ebonics inflection. Yeah, I guess I should have said, "may not have recognized...." The fact is, a convicted felon / registered sex offender obscured his face and chased a 17 year old across a parking lot into the shadows with obvious intent to do bodily harm. |
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Quoted: Yeah, I guess I should have said, "may not have recognized...." The fact is, a convicted felon / registered sex offender obscured his face and chased a 17 year old across a parking lot into the shadows with obvious intent to do bodily harm. View Quote Don't forget his nearly dozen assaults on prison staff while incarcerated (among his 40 disciplinary infractions). His violation of parole and re-imprisonment. Or the fact that he was currently out on bail for an assault commited in July. |
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Quoted: He actually shouldn't have recognized Rosenbaum because Rosenbaum had removed the red shirt and wrapped it around his face to disguise himself. Tell me that doesn't speak towards Rosenbaum's intent. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/50664/headshot_jpg-1572709.JPG View Quote Speaks a lot to his intent...but he's wearing the same 'capri' sized jean pants (probably be shorts on a regular height person), so he might still have been identifiable. |
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I wonder if Lin Wood is going to sue Twitter for defamation because of all of the tweets defaming Mr. Rittenhouse’s character.
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Quoted: Twitter is not liable for comments made by their users. Plenty of court cases have already established precedence. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Quoted: Twitter is not liable for comments made by their users. Plenty of court cases have already established precedence. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I wonder if Lin Wood is going to sue Twitter for defamation because of all of the tweets defaming Mr. Rittenhouse's character. Twitter is not liable for comments made by their users. Plenty of court cases have already established precedence. Then if they aren’t held liable, why do they restrict freedom of speech? |
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Quoted: Then if they aren't held liable, why do they restrict freedom of speech? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wonder if Lin Wood is going to sue Twitter for defamation because of all of the tweets defaming Mr. Rittenhouse's character. Twitter is not liable for comments made by their users. Plenty of court cases have already established precedence. Then if they aren't held liable, why do they restrict freedom of speech? Freedom of speech does not apply to a privately owned business censoring you on their platform. How many times do we have to cover this? |
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Quoted: Then if they aren’t held liable, why do they restrict freedom of speech? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wonder if Lin Wood is going to sue Twitter for defamation because of all of the tweets defaming Mr. Rittenhouse's character. Twitter is not liable for comments made by their users. Plenty of court cases have already established precedence. Then if they aren’t held liable, why do they restrict freedom of speech? That's a rhetorical question, right? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wonder if Lin Wood is going to sue Twitter for defamation because of all of the tweets defaming Mr. Rittenhouse's character. Twitter is not liable for comments made by their users. Plenty of court cases have already established precedence. Then if they aren’t held liable, why do they restrict freedom of speech? That's a rhetorical question, right? Yes |
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Quoted: Then if they aren’t held liable, why do they restrict freedom of speech? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wonder if Lin Wood is going to sue Twitter for defamation because of all of the tweets defaming Mr. Rittenhouse's character. Twitter is not liable for comments made by their users. Plenty of court cases have already established precedence. Then if they aren’t held liable, why do they restrict freedom of speech? From their perspective, it could be a morality issue, not a legal issue. Their business / their rules? Either way, fuck'em. |
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Quoted: Freedom of speech does not apply to a privately owned business censoring you on their platform. How many times do we have to cover this? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wonder if Lin Wood is going to sue Twitter for defamation because of all of the tweets defaming Mr. Rittenhouse's character. Twitter is not liable for comments made by their users. Plenty of court cases have already established precedence. Then if they aren't held liable, why do they restrict freedom of speech? Freedom of speech does not apply to a privately owned business censoring you on their platform. How many times do we have to cover this? Simmer down |
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Quoted: Has anyone in the history of simmer down ever simmered down when told to simmer down!? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Simmer down Has anyone in the history of simmer down ever simmered down when told to simmer down!? Certainly never a woman. A man? Probably. |
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Quoted: Boogaloo adherents. Lol View Quote We are all gonna be labeled something. |
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Can anybody confirm that the legit website to contribute towards Kyle and his family's needs is at https://fightback.law/ ?
I looked all over, and this seems to be the legit link from Twatter. I hope so, I just sent $100. ETA: Oh lawd, there it is posted right above me. Thanks. |
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Quoted: Can anybody confirm that the legit website to contribute towards Kyle and his family's needs is at https://fightback.law/ ? I looked all over, and this seems to be the legit link from Twatter. I hope so, I just sent $100. View Quote Attached File
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Quoted: Can anybody confirm that the legit website to contribute towards Kyle and his family's needs is at https://fightback.law/ ? I looked all over, and this seems to be the legit link from Twatter. I hope so, I just sent $100. ETA: Oh lawd, there it is posted right above me. Thanks. View Quote |
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Quoted: Quoted: He had no legal need for a guardian. At 17 he can legally possess and open carry that rifle all on his own. That is incorrect. WI Statute 948.60
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Quoted: Twitter is not liable for comments made by their users. Plenty of court cases have already established precedence. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I wonder if Lin Wood is going to sue Twitter for defamation because of all of the tweets defaming Mr. Rittenhouse's character. Twitter is not liable for comments made by their users. Plenty of court cases have already established precedence. Can they still make that argument if they fact check some posts and flag or remove them? I believe there was some discussion that Twitter’s fact checking of PDJT may hurt its defense of no vicarious liability. |
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Quoted: Quoted: He had no legal need for a guardian. At 17 he can legally possess and open carry that rifle all on his own. That is incorrect. WI Statute 948.60 Specifically exempts rifles or shotguns if carried or possessed by a minor not in violation of one of three statutes, including the SBR/SBS law, the law restricting hunting and use of firearms by persons under 16 years of age, and the requirement to have a certificate of achievement to get a hunting approval. One of three exemptions listed in the 3rd section of the statute. That section also exempts the transfer of a rifle or shotgun under the same conditions from being considered a crime. |
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Quoted: Quoted: He had no legal need for a guardian. At 17 he can legally possess and open carry that rifle all on his own. That is incorrect. WI Statute 948.60 You are incorrect. "This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593" Does not apply in Kyle's case. HOWEVER, you would be correct if you referred to the law regarding Open Carry. That is the only infaction Kyle is guilty of. Which is a victimless crime, misdemeanor. He was just a couple months short of age. You could have two people, one day apart in age, one is guilty of a crime, one is not. Dumb shit law. But he was NOT guilty of possession. He could legally own and possess a weapon in WI, he just could not open carry it. |
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Quoted: Can they still make that argument if they fact check some posts and flag or remove them? I believe there was some discussion that Twitter’s fact checking of PDJT may hurt its defense of no vicarious liability. View Quote To simplify the answer a bit, big tech is playing with fire when they pick and choose to censure the content they host. If there is enough motivation the way their business is regulated can be altered to be more in line with other more traditional media, and the more they behave in a way that would necessitate that regulation then the more motivation grows. |
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Quoted: Like I said, I recently got experience doing a number of radio interviews, which are even worse than TV IME, because they're longer and not cut-up, and for the most part actually live. The first was awful and I got better as I went. Whereas, I can walk into a deposition or a courtroom setting and cross examine a witness, and it's a comfortable place. A safe space where you're confident, and in control. Two completely different skill sets, and one hardly compliments the other. Giving a speech is much easier, because you can memorize the whole thing. An appellate lawyer would be much better at this. Frankly, answering questions from a panel of judges is terrifying. Even doing the live cast videos I've been doing, I have to say that it is way more difficult than it looks. Watch yourself back and you immediately see all the flaws. I watched myself and I said holy hell stop saying the word "and" already. Or "um." I have respect for some of these live TV hosts and radio guys. They make it look easy. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I thought the same thing about Mr Pierce - lots of "uhms" and didn't seem comfortable. I was expecting something different, more Hollywood I guess, for a hot shit trial lawyer. I have to imagine he's really good at the law part though, and he'll lay waste in the end. Like I said, I recently got experience doing a number of radio interviews, which are even worse than TV IME, because they're longer and not cut-up, and for the most part actually live. The first was awful and I got better as I went. Whereas, I can walk into a deposition or a courtroom setting and cross examine a witness, and it's a comfortable place. A safe space where you're confident, and in control. Two completely different skill sets, and one hardly compliments the other. Giving a speech is much easier, because you can memorize the whole thing. An appellate lawyer would be much better at this. Frankly, answering questions from a panel of judges is terrifying. Even doing the live cast videos I've been doing, I have to say that it is way more difficult than it looks. Watch yourself back and you immediately see all the flaws. I watched myself and I said holy hell stop saying the word "and" already. Or "um." I have respect for some of these live TV hosts and radio guys. They make it look easy. |
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