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Posted: 9/2/2020 5:06:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kyle telling everyone to stay strong. In jail facing murder 1 charges, and telling his supporters to stay strong. Kid's got a lot of heart. Will be interesting to see what he does with his life after he regains his freedom. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:
Kyle telling everyone to stay strong. In jail facing murder 1 charges, and telling his supporters to stay strong. Kid's got a lot of heart. Will be interesting to see what he does with his life after he regains his freedom. Seems he's always wanted to be a LEO, but I wonder if becoming a gun rights lawyer appeals to him. If he's good at it, it's an area where he could make a real difference, and his history could actually be an asset, instead of a liability (as it will likely be for a beat cop position). Plus I know one prominent law firm that would no doubt bring him on in a heartbeat.  Based on the interview snippets, etc., he seems to be intelligent enough to pull it off. |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 5:09:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Words sometimes get new meanings when people are too stupid to use existing words correctly, look up "ratchet" next  Current slang definition #1 Current slang definition #2 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I keep hearing folks here call others "based" as if it were a compliment. It must mean something other than what I have long understood it to mean. If I refer to someone or something they did as base, I am definitely saying something quite negative about them; I've always understood it to be an insult, not a compliment. Words sometimes get new meanings when people are too stupid to use existing words correctly, look up "ratchet" next Current slang definition #1 Current slang definition #2 We need a dang Arfcom glossary. I was using 'woke' for exactly the opposite of what it now seems to mean. I think. 
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Posted: 9/2/2020 5:47:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I keep hearing folks here call others "based" as if it were a compliment. It must mean something other than what I have long understood it to mean. If I refer to someone or something they did as base, I am definitely saying something quite negative about them; I've always understood it to be an insult, not a compliment. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It sounds like he knows he is right. I am glad he has a lot of influential people telling him so. He seems pretty based. And a good heart. I keep hearing folks here call others "based" as if it were a compliment. It must mean something other than what I have long understood it to mean. If I refer to someone or something they did as base, I am definitely saying something quite negative about them; I've always understood it to be an insult, not a compliment. Base =/= Based. Base means low. Based means well grounded in fact. |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 7:51:16 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/2/2020 8:16:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kid calls in from jail and tells us to stay strong.  
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Posted: 9/2/2020 8:24:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait, Twitter is censoring the lawyer of a person accused of a crime for defending them publicly? These motherfuckers have to be burnt to the ground. Figuratively of course.   Attached File |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 8:36:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/2/2020 10:18:54 AM EDT
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Quote History20 dollars is 20 dollars... 
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Posted: 9/2/2020 10:20:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you seen the tattoo? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: New avatar  Have you seen the tattoo? Yep. Have a feeling that guy would be fun to hang out with. Probably drinks a lot of coke by the looks of it. 
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Posted: 9/2/2020 10:39:01 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/2/2020 11:11:32 AM EDT
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Quoted: Seems he's always wanted to be a LEO, but I wonder if becoming a gun rights lawyer appeals to him. If he's good at it, it's an area where he could make a real difference, and his history could actually be an asset, instead of a liability (as it will likely be for a beat cop position). Plus I know one prominent law firm that would no doubt bring him on in a heartbeat. Based on the interview snippets, etc., he seems to be intelligent enough to pull it off. Great suggestion. |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 12:14:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Publishing insinuates they are reviewing the posts before they are viewable. Courts have already set numerous precedents in Twitter's favor. Yet they shut down conservative speech while allowing any amount of leftist lies. They need fucked in the ass. Retreat into legalistic nonsense doesn't alter that. |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 12:15:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 20 dollars is 20 dollars... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/483730/Screen_Shot_2020-09-02-1573834.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: 20 dollars is 20 dollars... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/483730/Screen_Shot_2020-09-02-1573834.jpg Whenever someone on social media goes off on a rant calling him a murder, I reply that Kyle Rittenhouse thanks them for their support because I'm donating another $20 to his defense fund in their honor. It triggers them even more. |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 12:44:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't believe some of the replies in here. This is a gun website, right? With all of the evidence presented thus far, are there still people on here not defending Kyle? There are idiots everywhere. |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 12:55:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 20 dollars is 20 dollars... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/483730/Screen_Shot_2020-09-02-1573834.jpg The only people I've ever heard say that in real life enjoyed hanging out in shady parts of town soliciting that phrase... Just messing with ya Good on you
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Posted: 9/2/2020 12:55:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is incorrect. WI Statute 948.60 Negative. I covered this elsewhere, but look at 948.60(3)(c). This exempts anyone who is under 18, and possessing a rifle or shotgun, and not violating one of three other statutes: 1) 941.28 is the blanket prohibition on an SBR/SBS that is not federally registered or meets other criteria Kyle was in possession of a 16" barrel rifle, so he is not violating this statute. 2) 29.304 contains supervision restrictions for those under the age of 16, but contains no provision for those aged 16 or 17. Kyle was 17 years old at the time, so he was not violating this statute 3) 29.593 contains a restriction on hunting without having taken a hunter safety course. Kyle was not hunting at the time, so he was not violating this statute. Because he is not violating these statutes, 948.60(3)(c) exemption applies to Kyle, who then had no further prohibitions on possession (he was not otherwise prohibited and he was doing it in a place and manner that was not prohibited). |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 12:56:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are incorrect. "This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593" Does not apply in Kyle's case. HOWEVER, you would be correct if you referred to the law regarding Open Carry. That is the only infaction Kyle is guilty of. Which is a victimless crime, misdemeanor. He was just a couple months short of age. You could have two people, one day apart in age, one is guilty of a crime, one is not. Dumb shit law. But he was NOT guilty of possession. He could legally own and possess a weapon in WI, he just could not open carry it. Wisconsin does not have an Open Carry law. We have a Concealed Carry law, and you can open carry a firearm in any manner that is not prohibited by law. Kyle was not otherwise prohibited by law. |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 1:33:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are incorrect. "This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593" Does not apply in Kyle's case. HOWEVER, you would be correct if you referred to the law regarding Open Carry. That is the only infaction Kyle is guilty of. Which is a victimless crime, misdemeanor. He was just a couple months short of age. You could have two people, one day apart in age, one is guilty of a crime, one is not. Dumb shit law. But he was NOT guilty of possession. He could legally own and possess a weapon in WI, he just could not open carry it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: He had no legal need for a guardian. At 17 he can legally possess and open carry that rifle all on his own. That is incorrect. WI Statute 948.60 You are incorrect. "This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593" Does not apply in Kyle's case. HOWEVER, you would be correct if you referred to the law regarding Open Carry. That is the only infaction Kyle is guilty of. Which is a victimless crime, misdemeanor. He was just a couple months short of age. You could have two people, one day apart in age, one is guilty of a crime, one is not. Dumb shit law. But he was NOT guilty of possession. He could legally own and possess a weapon in WI, he just could not open carry it. What law is that? Can you please cite it? |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 2:09:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Negative. I covered this elsewhere, but look at 948.60(3)(c). This exempts anyone who is under 18, and possessing a rifle or shotgun, and not violating one of three other statutes: 1) 941.28 is the blanket prohibition on an SBR/SBS that is not federally registered or meets other criteria Kyle was in possession of a 16" barrel rifle, so he is not violating this statute. 2) 29.304 contains supervision restrictions for those under the age of 16, but contains no provision for those aged 16 or 17. Kyle was 17 years old at the time, so he was not violating this statute 3) 29.593 contains a restriction on hunting without having taken a hunter safety course. Kyle was not hunting at the time, so he was not violating this statute. Because he is not violating these statutes, 948.60(3)(c) exemption applies to Kyle, who then had no further prohibitions on possession (he was not otherwise prohibited and he was doing it in a place and manner that was not prohibited). Wow, good write up. Not doubting you, I hope that's how it is interpreted in court. That was the one charge I thought would stick too. ETA: I guess reading the charges again, the use of "reckless" has me concerned on one of the felonies. I'm not sure how you beat that one. |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 2:12:57 PM EDT
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LIn Wood has a Parler Account? I've never even heard of that. It must have something to do with NUT COAL.
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Posted: 9/2/2020 2:13:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/2/2020 2:15:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/2/2020 2:16:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LIn Wood has a Parler Account? I've never even heard of that. It must have something to do with NUT COAL. Parler is Twitter that doesn't blow goats or hate Conservatives. |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 2:17:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Negative. I covered this elsewhere, but look at 948.60(3)(c). This exempts anyone who is under 18, and possessing a rifle or shotgun, and not violating one of three other statutes: 1) 941.28 is the blanket prohibition on an SBR/SBS that is not federally registered or meets other criteria Kyle was in possession of a 16" barrel rifle, so he is not violating this statute. 2) 29.304 contains supervision restrictions for those under the age of 16, but contains no provision for those aged 16 or 17. Kyle was 17 years old at the time, so he was not violating this statute 3) 29.593 contains a restriction on hunting without having taken a hunter safety course. Kyle was not hunting at the time, so he was not violating this statute. Because he is not violating these statutes, 948.60(3)(c) exemption applies to Kyle, who then had no further prohibitions on possession (he was not otherwise prohibited and he was doing it in a place and manner that was not prohibited). I’ve spent a day reading the statue - I think that 3c is poorly written, but you’re right I think. I’ll admit I interpreted it wrong, no doubt the shitty wording didn’t help me. |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 2:25:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve spent a day reading the statue - I think that 3c is poorly written, but you’re right I think. I’ll admit I interpreted it wrong, no doubt the shitty wording didn’t help me. What is government for if not for terribly written laws that can be interpreted whichever way the wind blows? |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 2:29:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems he's always wanted to be a LEO, but I wonder if becoming a gun rights lawyer appeals to him. If he's good at it, it's an area where he could make a real difference, and his history could actually be an asset, instead of a liability (as it will likely be for a beat cop position). Plus I know one prominent law firm that would no doubt bring him on in a heartbeat. Based on the interview snippets, etc., he seems to be intelligent enough to pull it off. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted:
Kyle telling everyone to stay strong. In jail facing murder 1 charges, and telling his supporters to stay strong. Kid's got a lot of heart. Will be interesting to see what he does with his life after he regains his freedom. Seems he's always wanted to be a LEO, but I wonder if becoming a gun rights lawyer appeals to him. If he's good at it, it's an area where he could make a real difference, and his history could actually be an asset, instead of a liability (as it will likely be for a beat cop position). Plus I know one prominent law firm that would no doubt bring him on in a heartbeat. Based on the interview snippets, etc., he seems to be intelligent enough to pull it off. I have no doubt his career plans will probably shift, if he gets through this. It's a shame to not pursue the Chuck Norris skills though... |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 2:57:44 PM EDT
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One thing that is actually really, really nice about WI Statutes and Administrative Code, is they are hot-linked and fully referenced with legislative history and case law (where applicable).
So if you look at the bottom of 948.60, you'll see how it has been modified over the years by legislative acts, and yeah, the sausage makin' ain't pretty. For the record I've seen at least two other former prosecutors (current criminal defense attorneys) in WI back my interpretation here, including one that was interviewed on Youtube. I was EMBARRASSED that as an accredited CCW instructor here in WI, that I did not actually know this prior to last week. My first impression was that anyone under 18 could not possess without supervision, but as you can see the supervision statute in the exemption actually doesn't apply to those aged 16-17. My first impulse was that there was a case for the Misdemeanor weapons charge. Not that it would have any affect on the self defense charges. I do like the idea of challenging age-based possession laws for those who are at least 17 everywhere considering the Militia Act includes them, but I don't think WI is the place for it since there is no prohibition for 17 year olds generally, and there is also a specific militia service exemption that may apply. |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 2:59:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is government for if not for terribly written laws that can be interpreted whichever way the wind blows? Ironically I think the rest of the statute is quite straightforward. Maybe whomever wrote it was drunk and wrote 3c after he/she sobered up. |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 3:06:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What law is that? Can you please cite it? Wisconsin statute 948.60 948.60 Exceptions are at the end of the section, paragraph (c) |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 3:45:54 PM EDT
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So in watching all these protest videos, I have one nagging question I can't figure out.
You got hundreds or thousands of out-of-towners being bused in. Some of them peaceful, many of them burning cars and buildings, and smashing cars and whatnot. Where are all the out of town folk shitting? Presumably, walking around all day. If I were a business owner, I'd be all boarded up and not letting them in to use my shitter. Do they just kinda hold it all day? Or do you take a break from smashing things, head back to your hotel room or hippy bus to pinch one off, and come back out and continue rioting? Or is it like time's square for new years and everybody's wearing diapers and just filling them up as the night goes on? The rioters are mashing everything in sight, so I would not expect a bank of porta-potties to last very long befror its tipped over or lit on fire. Has anybody been to one of these riots? What is the poopoo situation like? |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 3:52:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whenever someone on social media goes off on a rant calling him a murder, I reply that Kyle Rittenhouse thanks them for their support because I'm donating another $20 to his defense fund in their honor. It triggers them even more. LOL. 
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Posted: 9/2/2020 3:58:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One thing that is actually really, really nice about WI Statutes and Administrative Code, is they are hot-linked and fully referenced with legislative history and case law (where applicable). So if you look at the bottom of 948.60, you'll see how it has been modified over the years by legislative acts, and yeah, the sausage makin' ain't pretty. For the record I've seen at least two other former prosecutors (current criminal defense attorneys) in WI back my interpretation here, including one that was interviewed on Youtube. I was EMBARRASSED that as an accredited CCW instructor here in WI, that I did not actually know this prior to last week. My first impression was that anyone under 18 could not possess without supervision, but as you can see the supervision statute in the exemption actually doesn't apply to those aged 16-17. My first impulse was that there was a case for the Misdemeanor weapons charge. Not that it would have any affect on the self defense charges. I do like the idea of challenging age-based possession laws for those who are at least 17 everywhere considering the Militia Act includes them, but I don't think WI is the place for it since there is no prohibition for 17 year olds generally, and there is also a specific militia service exemption that may apply. The "armed forces" exception seems unclear to me whether it refers to Federal military (regular and reserve), or if it includes State military forces, too, like the militia (although I don't think WI actually has a militia in practice). It also seems to apply only to possession in the course of service, as opposed to permitting such persons to possess arms privately, as well. The various militia acts in the States can vary from the Federal one in terms of the age range liable to conscription in the militia. Youngest minimum age I've seen is 16, oldest maximum age I've seen is 80 (but that latter one is from an old version of the law and might be different now). For the majority of our history, 16 was the minimum age for Federal enlistment, not 17, except for musicians and ship's boys, which could enlist younger with permission from their parents, and I think appointments as midshipmen (when we still used the apprentice model for that, and not just the academy or, later, ROTC) could also be had at younger ages. For much of the 20th century, appointments as midshipmen or cadets (regular or reserve) could be given to boys as young as 14 if they were advanced students and had basically reached the equivalent of a high school education at that age, verified by exams. Lots of historical precedent for teenagers, sometimes those even younger, being in Federal or State military service, often bearing arms, and all it would take to return to that is but a change in legislation. |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 4:01:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Parler is Twitter that doesn't blow goats or hate Conservatives. More importantly, it's the place he was forced to move to after being censored by Twitter. Its a calculated move to build ammunition for a future lawsuite against Twitter. I think someone at Twitter fucked up and they know it. Personally, I think they'd have a better chance if they could somehow bait Twitter into doing it again. But I think that's unlikely. |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 4:02:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So in watching all these protest videos, I have one nagging question I can't figure out. You got hundreds or thousands of out-of-towners being bused in. Some of them peaceful, many of them burning cars and buildings, and smashing cars and whatnot. Where are all the out of town folk shitting? Presumably, walking around all day. If I were a business owner, I'd be all boarded up and not letting them in to use my shitter. Do they just kinda hold it all day? Or do you take a break from smashing things, head back to your hotel room or hippy bus to pinch one off, and come back out and continue rioting? Or is it like time's square for new years and everybody's wearing diapers and just filling them up as the night goes on? The rioters are mashing everything in sight, so I would not expect a bank of porta-potties to last very long befror its tipped over or lit on fire. Has anybody been to one of these riots? What is the poopoo situation like? Seriously? Take a wild guess. They shit on the sidewalk, behind a Bush, or in front of a Bush. Beside a building. Behind a building. Where ever. They're fukkin animals! |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 4:10:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously? Take a wild guess. They shit on the sidewalk, behind a Bush, or in front of a Bush. Beside a building. Behind a building. Where ever. They're fukkin animals! In all the WI videos I've seen, so far I haven't noticed anybody blasting a dookie in the bushes. And no piles of crap all over the ground. #riotpoopgate |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 4:22:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kid calls in from jail and tells us to stay strong. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:
Kid calls in from jail and tells us to stay strong. The lawyer in me wonders if the opposing lawyers might claim Kyle waived attorney/client confidentiality based on that video...... |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 4:34:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In all the WI videos I've seen, so far I haven't noticed anybody blasting a dookie in the bushes. And no piles of crap all over the ground. #riotpoopgate Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Seriously? Take a wild guess. They shit on the sidewalk, behind a Bush, or in front of a Bush. Beside a building. Behind a building. Where ever. They're fukkin animals! In all the WI videos I've seen, so far I haven't noticed anybody blasting a dookie in the bushes. And no piles of crap all over the ground. #riotpoopgate Aaannnd now this is a poop thread. Honestly, I'm surprised it lasted until page 136. |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 4:50:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ironically I think the rest of the statute is quite straightforward. Maybe whomever wrote it was drunk and wrote 3c after he/she sobered up. I think your right in your understanding of it, but we shouldn't need a flow chart to figure it out
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Posted: 9/2/2020 4:52:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously? Take a wild guess. They shit on the sidewalk, behind a Bush, or in front of a Bush. Beside a building. Behind a building. Where ever. They're fukkin animals! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So in watching all these protest videos, I have one nagging question I can't figure out. You got hundreds or thousands of out-of-towners being bused in. Some of them peaceful, many of them burning cars and buildings, and smashing cars and whatnot. Where are all the out of town folk shitting? Presumably, walking around all day. If I were a business owner, I'd be all boarded up and not letting them in to use my shitter. Do they just kinda hold it all day? Or do you take a break from smashing things, head back to your hotel room or hippy bus to pinch one off, and come back out and continue rioting? Or is it like time's square for new years and everybody's wearing diapers and just filling them up as the night goes on? The rioters are mashing everything in sight, so I would not expect a bank of porta-potties to last very long befror its tipped over or lit on fire. Has anybody been to one of these riots? What is the poopoo situation like? Seriously? Take a wild guess. They shit on the sidewalk, behind a Bush, or in front of a Bush. Beside a building. Behind a building. Where ever. They're fukkin animals! Antifa rents porta potties. Seriously. they had a double line of them at the Austin riots. |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 5:01:40 PM EDT
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Love to know who these nimrods are. They were billed by the Kenosha News as Volunteer grassroots paramedics... on scene helping protesters.
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Posted: 9/2/2020 5:06:20 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Love to know who these nimrods are. They were billed by the Kenosha News as Volunteer grassroots paramedics... on scene helping protesters. https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/kenoshanews.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/2/06/20686d82-195b-5fe5-b068-e4ddecd94872/5f45ca580285b.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C900 I am going to say Attention Whores... |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 5:07:18 PM EDT
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And we cannot forget about this gem of a cocksucker...
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Posted: 9/2/2020 6:18:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/2/2020 6:24:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI just heard a story of a kid being chased be an enraged, child-rapist. The kid shot the rapist. Great story. Everyone cheered, hooray! |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 6:26:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just heard a story of a kid being chased be an enraged, child-rapist. The kid shot the rapist. Great story. Everyone cheered, hooray!  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 6:27:10 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryWell, Kyle's defense fund just increased by $20 and I made sure that she knows the donation was in her honor and Kyle thanks her from the bottom of his heart. Every time you guys post these screen shots you cost me $20. It doesn't bother me though because it's going for a damn good cause. |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 6:27:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryBill Kristol is a leftist RINO cuck of the highest magnitude. |
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Posted: 9/2/2020 6:37:55 PM EDT
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When on the fightback.law website make sure you are donating to Kyle and not the general fund. I made this mistake, you have to scroll down to see his donation area.
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Posted: 9/2/2020 6:43:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I just heard a story of a kid being chased be an enraged, child-rapist. The kid shot the rapist. Great story. Everyone cheered, hooray! Attached FileI love what Kurt Schlichter did with him in his most recent Kelly Turnbull book, Collapse. I just got to that part in it ironically enough. 
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Posted: 9/2/2020 6:47:51 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bill Kristol is a leftist RINO cuck of the highest magnitude. He's pretty much the head of the neoconservative movement, and that movement is anything but conservative. The most Right-leaning of its adherents are at best Center-Right. It's pretty much a temperamentally conservative (and in the context of the Cold War, anti-communist) form of progressivism (basically, if you took out the part of progressivism that gives it its name, and froze its beliefs circa the middle of the Cold War, other than making it socially conservative, and sought to conserve that). His father, Irving Kristol, even said that the purpose of neoconservatism was to transform conservatism and the GOP against their collective wills into something more suitable for modern and progressive governance. Kristol should not be regarded with any credibility by those genuinely on the Right, even if they similarly dislike Trump. |
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