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Posted: 9/19/2018 12:19:49 AM EDT
Okay,
This year has produced a bumper crop of these damn things. They are all over. My amateur research indicated they were prairie, but I have been recently told they are Mojave Greens, the deadliest snake in North America, blah, blah, blah. I've had one strike my boot, and this big bastard put up a fight when first shot. They do not rattle, even when you are about to step on them, despite have large rattles. They sit there motionless, like a freakin land mine, but will strike if you get within range.  
This one was so stinkin big I spotted it from 6ft away. It was hiding under a thick bush. It took a shot to the rear spine and thrashed about for a while. I foolishly tried for a head shot, but only clipped his left jaw. Measured just over 50 inches. I treated them like western diamondbacks, with caution, but Mojave are a much bigger threat. There is no antivenin in the state, and since I don't have gold-plated medical insurance, ain't no one gonna fly some in for me. The doctors would likely just keep me sedated until death or a limb falls off. Sooooo, Arf herptologists, what say you, Mojave or Prairie? update: Gentlemen, Thank you for the education. The web images of Mohaves are too varied to really draw any meaningful info. They list this as a Mojave, and it looks identical to the ones I have been shooting...  A few web photos did show the white/black bands forward of the rattle that you guys mentioned. Wiki had this to say about the Mojave venom... "Crotalus scutulatus (common names: Mojave rattlesnake,[2][3][4] Mojave green,[3]) is a highly venomous pit viper species found in the deserts of the southwestern United States and central Mexico. It is perhaps best known for its potent neurotoxic-hemotoxic venom, which is considered the world's most potent rattlesnake venom" which is why I wanted to really understand what snakes I am dealing with. |
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Posted: 9/19/2018 12:33:07 AM EDT
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That is a Prairie, C viridis.
There is no such thing as Mojave "greens", only Mojaves, C scutulatus. |
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Posted: 9/19/2018 12:36:28 AM EDT
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What part of the state?
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Posted: 9/19/2018 12:37:38 AM EDT
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You need a fire mission to find and eradicate their fucking nest. Sheesh.
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Posted: 9/19/2018 12:50:09 AM EDT
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That is a Prairie, C viridis. There is no such thing as Mojave "greens", only Mojaves, C scutulatus. |
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Posted: 9/19/2018 12:52:33 AM EDT
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What part of the state? |
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Posted: 9/19/2018 12:52:33 AM EDT
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I was told the markings on the head were the key. I've seen almost identical markings on Mojaves when goggling images of them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That is a Prairie, C viridis. There is no such thing as Mojave "greens", only Mojaves, C scutulatus. It's a Prairie. Looks like all three pics are of the same snake? |
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Posted: 9/19/2018 12:58:03 AM EDT
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That is a good looking snake. Shame you shot it in the body. That skin would have been awesome for a bunch of different uses. Still would be as is.
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Posted: 9/19/2018 1:01:59 AM EDT
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They're Prairies, without a doubt. It's a Prairie. Looks like all three pics are of the same snake? I have pics of others but they all look the same. Most have the heads removed. 
The diagonal white stripes on the head are very similar to the googled pics of Mojave. Are these two species that close, or is there a lot of misidentified pics on the net? |
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Posted: 9/19/2018 1:04:39 AM EDT
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That is a good looking snake. Shame you shot it in the body. That skin would have been awesome for a bunch of different uses. Still would be as is. |
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Posted: 9/19/2018 1:06:21 AM EDT
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yep same snake. I have pics of others but they all look the same. Most have the heads removed.
The diagonal white stripes on the head are very similar to the googled pics of Mojave. Are these two species that close, or is there a lot of misidentified picks on the net? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They're Prairies, without a doubt. It's a Prairie. Looks like all three pics are of the same snake? I have pics of others but they all look the same. Most have the heads removed.
The diagonal white stripes on the head are very similar to the googled pics of Mojave. Are these two species that close, or is there a lot of misidentified picks on the net? Head scalation is completely different on Mojaves. |
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Posted: 9/19/2018 1:06:48 AM EDT
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Mohave will have black and white bands just before the rattle- I see none on this one. Mohaves don’t get very big- 3 1/2 foot max.
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Posted: 9/19/2018 1:07:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was told the markings on the head were the key. I've seen almost identical markings on Mojaves when goggling images of them. |
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Posted: 9/19/2018 1:11:05 AM EDT
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the Mohave will look just like a western diamondback save for the width of the white tail bands, head scalation, and eye stripe. They won’t ever get as big as diamondbacks can. The antivenin is the same for all pit vipers in North America.
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Posted: 9/19/2018 1:12:40 AM EDT
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You need a fire mission to find and eradicate their fucking nest. Sheesh. |
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Posted: 9/19/2018 1:17:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quick ID'd with the tail in this case.. the crotalus scutulatus or Mojave Green goes into an mostly black and white striped pattern at the tail. |
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Posted: 9/19/2018 1:19:36 AM EDT
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Is that the tail or the rattle, because I've shot a snake identical to this one but the rattle was alternating bright white and black. It was much smaller. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Quick ID'd with the tail in this case.. the crotalus scutulatus or Mojave Green goes into an mostly black and white striped pattern at the tail. |
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Posted: 9/19/2018 1:40:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that the tail or the rattle, because I've shot a snake identical to this one but the rattle was alternating bright white and black. It was much smaller. |
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Posted: 9/19/2018 2:01:28 AM EDT
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Doesn’t matter they scare the crap out of me! I’m allergic to bee stings, I can’t imagine a rattlesnake bite.
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Posted: 9/19/2018 2:08:48 AM EDT
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B&W tail banding is not exclusive to Mojaves. |
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Posted: 9/19/2018 2:19:32 AM EDT
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I'd call that a Mojave green
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Posted: 9/19/2018 8:03:50 AM EDT
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I'd call that a Mojave green |
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Posted: 9/19/2018 11:18:14 AM EDT
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Do you chop off the head and neck and bury them or do you leave the whole snake for the scavengers?
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Posted: 9/19/2018 2:45:52 PM EDT
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Do you chop off the head and neck and bury them or do you leave the whole snake for the scavengers? |
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Posted: 9/19/2018 2:53:53 PM EDT
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how close to your residence are you finding these guys?
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Posted: 9/19/2018 3:05:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/19/2018 6:29:46 PM EDT
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how close to your residence are you finding these guys? |
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Posted: 9/19/2018 8:25:49 PM EDT
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Walked up on this guy at 10k feet. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/72631/IMG_1294-676533.JPG |
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Posted: 9/19/2018 8:29:43 PM EDT
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I hope you buried the head. If not, there's a species of wasp that can eat it and become as venomous as the rattlesnake was.
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Posted: 9/19/2018 8:34:38 PM EDT
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I hope you buried the head. If not, there's a species of wasp that can eat it and become as venomous as the rattlesnake was. 
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Posted: 9/19/2018 9:35:21 PM EDT
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Walked up on this guy at 10k feet. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/72631/IMG_1294-676533.JPG |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 11:39:39 AM EDT
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   I just got in touch with my snake expert. He says prairie. These are a few he has caught this year.
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Posted: 9/21/2018 11:44:39 AM EDT
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Op needs to get a bucket spinner trap set. Up to dispose of mice
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Posted: 9/21/2018 11:44:48 AM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/333874/IMG_3807-678305.jpghttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/333874/IMG_3756-678304.jpghttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/333874/IMG_3793-678303.jpgI just got in touch with my snake expert. He says prairie. These are a few he has caught this year. 
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Posted: 9/21/2018 11:50:39 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:08:43 PM EDT
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Sad that you ruined a good looking hide for a belt.
LOL Red |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 12:12:22 PM EDT
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OP, good looking Mojave in the added pic!
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:27:46 PM EDT
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OP, good looking Mojave in the added pic! I thought that was a Prairie, mis-identified as a Mojave. I don't see any differences in my last photo vs my first photo in the original post. Do you? I really wanted to be able to tell a doctor the correct species of snake that tagged me. I would think the treatment for Prairie vs Mojave would be different based on the lethality of the venoms. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:42:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/333874/IMG_3807-678305.jpghttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/333874/IMG_3756-678304.jpghttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/333874/IMG_3793-678303.jpgI just got in touch with my snake expert. He says prairie. These are a few he has caught this year. collecting pit vipers. RISK vs REWARD. Risking death or serious injury plus possible financial ruin from medical bills. what is the reward? is it worth that risk? I'm just not seeing it. of course, I've been wiped out financially from medical bills a few times. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:58:30 PM EDT
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Hmmm, collecting pit vipers. RISK vs REWARD. Risking death or serious injury plus possible financial ruin from medical bills. what is the reward? is it worth that risk? I'm just not seeing it.   
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Posted: 9/21/2018 3:32:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hell . . . it's considered great sport in some places. Fried rattlesnake . . . Mmmmmmmmmmmmm ! ! ! https://previews.123rf.com/images/mj007/mj0071803/mj007180300022/97264182-sweetwater-texas-march-10-2018-60th-annual-sweetwater-texas-rattlesnake-roundup-largest-in-the-world.jpghttp://d3i3l3kraiqpym.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/14052922/Sweetwater%E2%80%99s-annual-roundup.jpghttp://www.takepart.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/rattlesnake-roundup.jpg looks to me like Russian Roulette, sooner or later, you're gonna lose. ETA.... Hmmm, looks like duct tape holding together sheetrock wall. Little kids pressing their weight against a cheap piece of fatigued plexiglas screwed to sheetrock. what could possibly go wrong? the plexiglas breaks, the kids fall in, on top of a dozen large rattlers, and several pissed off diamondbacks envenomate them, while their parents watch. sorry. I've been on this planet long enough to see plenty of people injured/killed from stupid stuff like that. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 3:43:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hmmm, collecting pit vipers. RISK vs REWARD. Risking death or serious injury plus possible financial ruin from medical bills. what is the reward? is it worth that risk? I'm just not seeing it. of course, I've been wiped out financially from medical bills a few times.  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 5:02:25 PM EDT
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Actually, I thought that was a Prairie, mis-identified as a Mojave. I don't see any differences in my last photo vs my first photo in the original post. Do you? I really wanted to be able to tell a doctor the correct species of snake that tagged me. I would think the treatment for Prairie vs Mojave would be different based on the lethality of the venoms. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP, good looking Mojave in the added pic! I thought that was a Prairie, mis-identified as a Mojave. I don't see any differences in my last photo vs my first photo in the original post. Do you? I really wanted to be able to tell a doctor the correct species of snake that tagged me. I would think the treatment for Prairie vs Mojave would be different based on the lethality of the venoms. There is only one treatment for all North American pit viper envenomations. Regardless of which species you may have been bitten by, you are going to receive the same treatment. There is no need to kill, or bring the snake with you for ID purposes. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 5:17:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryUnfucking believable. I'll bet that guy is making $12/hr. Dealing with lots of very aggressive, very deadly snakes. seems like a very poor life decision to me. He should at least be carrying a revolver loaded with snake shot. imagine working there and an earthquake damages the building enough that you're trapped, and two dozen pissed off cobras are loose. I once worked security at an amusement park where a recently fired employee snuck in and let loose several deadly snakes and unlocked the gorilla cage. The gorilla was the size of Sasquatch, and would swing a 300lb tractor tire, that was chained to the ceiling, so high it would leave skid marks on the ceiling. All the guys started carrying 44magnums and even heavy rifles in addition to our duty sidearms. Probably would have only made the gorilla mad. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 5:28:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was told the markings on the head were the key. I've seen almost identical markings on Mojaves when goggling images of them. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 5:30:23 PM EDT
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Walked up on this guy at 10k feet. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/72631/IMG_1294-676533.JPG |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 5:33:24 PM EDT
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Mohave will have black and white bands just before the rattle- I see none on this one. Mohaves don't get very big- 3 1/2 foot max. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 5:36:33 PM EDT
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I was told the markings on the head were the key. I've seen almost identical markings on Mojaves when goggling images of them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That is a Prairie, C viridis. There is no such thing as Mojave "greens", only Mojaves, C scutulatus. Notice the difference in scalation between the two. 
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Posted: 9/21/2018 5:37:42 PM EDT
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Poor kitty!
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Posted: 9/21/2018 9:43:57 PM EDT
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No, that is a classic example of a Mojave. To me, the difference is stark and immediately apparent. There is only one treatment for all North American pit viper envenomations. Regardless of which species you may have been bitten by, you are going to receive the same treatment. There is no need to kill, or bring the snake with you for ID purposes. Almost every website and survival book that addresses snakebite, that I have read, says to make a safe attempt to identify the type of snake. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 9:56:28 PM EDT
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Killed two in the last couple weeks, they looked just like that fucker! The second one was less that two feet from me when I saw him!!! I fucking hate snakes!
I'm in southern Colorado way sothern!!! They were green as shit! |
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