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11 people have probably died this year from simply eating.

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Nope. No evidence. Just thinking outloud and considering all the possibilities.

But am I right in that all the "THC vs no THC" information has come from simply surveying the sick people? If so, do you not believe, or are you unwilling to accept, that there are many situations where someone might lie when asked "Have you used any THC vape products?"?

I won't rule out the possibility that some of these people have truly only used nicotine products. But I also won't rule out the possibility that people lied. Why would you, or anyone, rule out the possibility that people lied, when in this specific situation, there could be many reasons why someone would lie. A teen's parent is in the room when the doctor asks about THC, an adult is worried about work related or legal repercussions, etc. These are valid possibilities.

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So in 20 years there were no cases of any side effects, illness or deaths from nicotine vaping.
Then recently in the last few months a handful of cases, with matching side effects pop up, many of them saying that they use THC liquids and now people blame vaping with or without nicotine for the problems??
When did these problems arise and what patterns are seen? Why weren't there any cases before aside from one case where a male used THC and developed similar symptoms?

You cannot blame Nicotine vaping if all arrows point in one direction, especially with the amount of time there were no issues with millions of users. The numbers of deaths that arent related to THC - if they are truthful, could be caused by a long list of variables, not vaping in general.

I find this ridiculous that people so easily cast aside data for emotions. Those that are freaking out about vaping and are watering at the mouth to blame vaping, I hope that your not in any position of power over anyone else or make any calls/regulations/reports that effect people other than yourselves.

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They are more likely to have professional careers that probably don't tolerate THC use though.

I think this is going to end up some weird mix of contamination, vaping habit, prior/current combustion smoking habits, etc.

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Checking in for today's episode of the vapes crusader

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I wasn't aware of the ages. Just tossing ideas out there. Could be a spouse in the room, kid in the room, general taboo surrounding illicit drug use, whatever.

Even if people lying is completely ruled out, the one question that remains to be answered by doctors, researchers or people in this thread...Why have a tiny fraction of vapers experienced such drastic illnesses or death, in such a short period of time, when hundreds of thousands or even millions of others, have had no issue with their ecig use, even when used for many YEARS longer than those who got sick or died? There is clearly a common denominator that no one has figured out yet.

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You don't think moving the drinking age from 18 to 21 had any effect? I heard it used to be mayhem around my town back in the 80s. IE people passed out drunk on the sidewalks. Not anymore, moving it to 21 had a huge effect.

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That would mean there would have been a bunch of "mystery lung illnesses", as they've been calling this, all along. And if they all had similarities, it would have most likely been picked up on.

That theory also ignores the fact that metric shit tons of people have been using ecigs without issue, for a decade or more.

So I guess we're back to square one.

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Are you under the impression that people under 21 don't drink alcohol? I drank *way* more under 21 than I did when I turned 21.

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How many people, usually kids, drown in pools everyday?

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I suppose there could have been. Numerous people dying or getting sick from "mystery lung illnesses" would draw attention, though. Then people would start looking for common denominators.

As for your last question; An incredibly low number of people who have developed lung illnesses, have been confirmed to have used ecigs. This has all happened within a relatively short period of time.

But you keep ignoring the fact that the amount of people who have gotten sick/died that use ecigs, is astronomically disproportionate to the amount of people who have used ecigs for many, many, many years, and have had no issues as of yet. What are you theories about that? The numbers and timelines simply don't add up.

...seeking answers, NBC News commissioned one of the nation's leading cannabis testing facilities to test a sampling of THC cartridges — 18 in all — obtained from legal dispensaries and unlicensed dealers.

The findings were deeply troubling.

Of the three purchased from legal dispensaries in California, the CannaSafe testing company found no heavy metals, pesticides or residual solvents like Vitamin E.

But 13 out of the other 15 samples from black market THC cartridges were found to contain Vitamin E.

CannaSafe also tested 10 of the unregulated cartridges for pesticides. All 10 tested positive.

The products all contained myclobutanil, a fungicide that can transform into hydrogen cyanide when burned....

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A story written by NBC News about the vaping illnesses tells the tale of pesticides found in black market THC carts as another possible cause of the illnesses.

I have copy & pasted a portion of it below.

you can read it in it's entirety HERE

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Machine guns, bump stocks and alcohol are all legal and regulated.  Nobody is advocating for heroin dispensers in elementary schools.

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Whent the drinking age was 18, a ton of people in high school drank because a lot of high school seniors are 18. But how many high school students know someone over 21, other than a brother or sister? It definitely cut down on the underage drinking. Didn't stop it, but definitely had an impact.

https://i2.wp.com/www.alcoholproblemsandsolutions.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/alcohol_abuse_chart3_students.png?ssl=1

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The "numerous people dying/getting sick" part was in response to your "Well maybe people have been getting sick and dying from vaping, but the cases just haven't been blamed on vaping yet" post from earlier in that quote tree.

You've deleted part of the quote tree. If my stance on this issue is unclear to you or you think I'm trying to argue both sides (I'm not), let me simplify my view on this issue: An infinitesimal number of people, when considering the number of ecig users, have had their deaths/illnesses linked to vaping. It doesn't even raise an eyebrow for me, given the timelime of ecig use since it began and the amount of vapers who've had no issue with prolonged use. Edit: Also to add the fact that the vast majority of cases involved black market THC vapes with whoknowswhat in them.

Again, what is your theory about the fact that so many long term users of ecigs have never had any health issues?

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Ok lets address that

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2019/09/27/cdc-reports-most-injured-vapers-used-products-contain-thc/3787731002/

Lets not forget that marijuana is about the most detectable drug in the world. A $10 piss test could determine if they did marijuana in the last 30 days.

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My humble understanding is the first time most people take a drag on a cigarette, cigar, joint, etc, it is pretty common to cough.  Either the nic or the smoke is a bit of a throat irritant.  Vaping does the same thing, kind of.  The higher the nic, the more the throat hit.  I use 3mg, 6 is annoying to me.  Pretty much nobody does greater than 12mg of direct lung freebase nic.  Nic salt is slightly less irritating - so most people can handle about 3x the nic.  I think part of this is also because salt nic is generally used in mount to lung devices - which are much more restrictive and have much smaller “puffs”.

That all said, during the last year or so, low nic salts have come out for the direct to lung divides.  
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Direct to lung is how you normally breath, also what an inhaler does.  Mouth to lung is more how you smoke.  You draw smoke into your mouth by sucking with your mouth - then inhale (or not)
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I look forward to the source of this to be honestly identified.  I had no problem with Texas passing tobacco 21 - which will also be the death of confidence store flavored cartridges and juice.  But honestly - the flavoring is all marketing.  People don’t buy this stuff just because they like the flavor.

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Lets not forget that marijuana is about the most detectable drug in the world. A $10 piss test could determine if they did marijuana in the last 30 days.

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One small problem - why would one's health care team administer such a test?  Upon what legal basis?

Cannabinoids, including THC, contribute substantially to the particulate mass of MJ smoke comprising 20 to 30% of the total tar weight for cigarettes containing 3.9% ?9-THC (13). To determine whether the increased particulate material in MJ smoke was responsible for the enhanced DCF oxidation, MJ cigarette smoke was passed through Cambridge filters before exposure to cells. Such filters trap > 98% of particulate material but permit passage of all gaseous elements. This procedure not only failed to attenuate DCF oxidation, but also greatly stimulated oxidation in both unmodified MJ and THC-deficient smoke. This stimulation was consistent with reports of strong oxidizing activity of the gaseous phase of tobacco cigarette smoke after removal of particulates by filtration. For example, in studies on the role of tobacco smoke in atherosclerosis, oxidation of low-density lipoprotein (LDL) has been observed with filtered smoke but not whole smoke (34). Filter-trapped particulates can inhibit LDL oxidation induced by cupric chloride or azo-bis (2-amidinopropane), and it has been suggested that antioxidants, such as polyphenolic compounds found in smoke particulate fractions, may be responsible for inhibition of LDL oxidation (35, 36). In the present studies, the concept that particulate components of MJ smoke had antioxidant properties was further supported by the finding that DMSO extracts of a Cambridge filter pad absorbed with MJ smoke particulates suppressed ROS generation. Thus, the level of smoke-induced cellular ROS appears to be a function of the relative amounts of gaseous-phase pro-oxidants and particle-phase antioxidants.

The cannabinoids present in the particle phase of MJ smoke, including ?9-THC and cannabinol, have been reported to have antioxidant properties as measured by cyclic voltametry and by their ability to prevent H2O2-mediated oxidation of a fluorescent probe (37). This is consistent with their known structure, which includes hydroxyl groups and aliphatic rings. However, the addition of ?9-THC to our assays before smoke exposure did not provide any measurable antioxidant protection, suggesting that this effect is relatively weak compared with the pro-oxidant activity induced by smoke.

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With millions and millions of people vaping, aren't the statistical odds in favor of 15 of them dying of some type of breathing illness anyway?