User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 9:33:50 AM EST
[#1]
Heh there is an entire merchant class being sustained by EBT alone.
Pull it! |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 9:35:23 AM EST
[#2]
If they would just make and enforce laws on what can be bought with EBT, this would not be necessary.
In MA it is legal to use EBT to get your nails done at a salon, buy alcohol, and buy cigarettes. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 9:37:03 AM EST
[#3]
This qoute from the article tells you all you need to know about the current system :
"Shares of Dollar Tree Inc. and Dollar General Corp. both dropped on Monday after the plan was unveiled." Why do dollar stores and gas stations accept ebt? They don't sell real food, just junk food. Also, this won't replace the ebt, just reduce it. Plus there are still welfare payments, section 8, WIC, and medicaid. This nations poor will not starve or freeze. They can get winter jackets from Church donations or buy them cheap at Goodwill. This is a needed step towards systemic reform. Maybe we just get a restriction on what ebt can be used for. However, ftito lay, Dollar general, coca cola, and 7-11 will fight this tooth and nail. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 9:40:05 AM EST
[#4]
This is why we must win a super majority in congress. Ideas like this become remote possibilities.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 9:42:56 AM EST
[#5]
That was weird, "quote" put up an entirely unrelated post (which I deleted in this edit).
Just to be clear, I wasn't being critical of the proposal - it has a huge amount of merit. Not a fan at all of the, "I got mine, fuck the FSA" direction this thread immediately defaulted to. I don't believe it's going to be possible to engineer the fraud, waste and abuse out of a federal social safety net. Can we rely on the individual states to justly administer their own programs? I have no idea. My point was, I do know I'll tolerate some degree of criminality in the program before I see honest poor people and their kids suffer to ensure 100% of the abuse is stopped. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 9:56:33 AM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
No, most of the problem is too many hoes getting the seed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Seeds and a hoe. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 10:05:21 AM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What is considered a case? 24 bottles? If a case cost $10 they would only get 2.40. They could sale the case for $5-8 and still come out a head. Everybody in the hood knows a person that likes to buy stuff or take it off your hands |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 11:39:06 AM EST
[#8]
We open up food kitchens and they have to go there to receive their balanced diet of 3 meals a day.
EBT will only have a small amount on it for "fun things". The Dems should love it because it gives them more control over their slaves. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 11:51:07 AM EST
[#9]
Dollar general pretty much exists because of food stamps
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 11:58:00 AM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, the entitlement state is a train wreck and is in need of sweeping reform, but...it's not always about the recipients miraculously finding a job. There are help wanted signs in damn near every store in this part of WNC. They're almost all service jobs, and they pay about the same thing...roughly $8 to $11 an hour. Try raising two or three kids, keeping a roof over your head and a car running on $21K a year. People get by, but the bad teeth, tattered clothing and dirty kids in a country this hugely wealthy is hard to take. There's a lot of honest-to-God gut wrenching poverty in these mountains, and I see people in the local groceries buying food and staples in line with the programs intent almost every day. Cutting off the very small amount of discretionary money these people are given strikes me as extraordinarily mean-spirited. Boxes of food don't buy costly winter jackets to put on children's backs. They don't make expensive repairs to beat-to-shit cars, or fix the heat and patch the roof in tumble-down trailers. The people on this thread advocating shaming people, making kids grow up with the stigma of poverty, and punishing the estimated 85% of the homeless suffering from mental illness so they'll "get a job" need to seriously think about what, "There but for the grace of God go I" means. And, how the fuck does a soul enter heaven through the Grace of God if you fucking tax everything he might give? "Jesus says you should help the poor, give me all your fucking money so I can do that!" [Points gun] You haven't seen how the numbers work out when people are taxed less and how it relates to actual, real helping the poor. People don't give if they know the government is going to. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 12:16:31 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
No, most of the problem is too many hoes getting the seed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Seeds and a hoe. 
You're 100 percent correct. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 1:04:15 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
The welfare portion of food stamps goes way beyond the poor. A huge component of it is supporting domestic agriculture/food production. If you read the original legislation, strengthening the agricultural economy was one of the express purposes. Not fuckin' likely. More like helping ADM, Tyson, Con-Agra, and their ilk. The little farmers are gonna he a pittance, if anything. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 1:05:16 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Fucking awesome. This is what the program should have been all along. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 1:12:31 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Every Monday the USPS leaves this on your porch, where it promptly gets stolen or ruined by the local shitheads before you get home from work to get it. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/164452/food-450029.JPG |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 1:15:21 PM EST
[#15]
Give them Soylent Green.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 1:37:37 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
This is why we must win a super majority in congress. Ideas like this become remote possibilities. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 1:53:28 PM EST
[#17]
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 2:00:46 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
EBT doesn't allow them to get take away food anyway. "The homeless" have that problem now. Round em up and bus them to Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Would still leave homeless with no place to store or cook meals. How to solve that? Round em up and bus them to |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 2:08:50 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
We open up food kitchens and they have to go there to receive their balanced diet of 3 meals a day. The Dems should love it because it gives them more control over their slaves. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 2:09:15 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, most of the problem is too many hoes getting the seed. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 2:14:39 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
There are help wanted signs in damn near every store in this part of WNC. They're almost all service jobs, and they pay about the same thing...roughly $8 to $11 an hour. Try raising two or three kids, keeping a roof over your head and a car running on $21K a year. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 2:47:14 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
If they would just make and enforce laws on what can be bought with EBT, this would not be necessary. In MA it is legal to use EBT to get your nails done at a salon, buy alcohol, and buy cigarettes. I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic, but people figured out how to skirt those rules a long time ago. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 3:56:24 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Two parents working is $42k a year. That's middle class. If they keep working they can become managers or skilled workers and move further up the chain. DOUBLE LOL They could. They won't. Some people are simply leeches. Giving them stuff won't change that fact. NOT giving them stuff won't change that fact either, but it costs less. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 3:57:12 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
"Hey, buddy; I'll buy 200 dollars in groceries for you, and you give me 150 dollars for nails, alcohol, and cigarettes." I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic, but people figured out how to skirt those rules a long time ago. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
If they would just make and enforce laws on what can be bought with EBT, this would not be necessary. In MA it is legal to use EBT to get your nails done at a salon, buy alcohol, and buy cigarettes. I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic, but people figured out how to skirt those rules a long time ago. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 4:29:55 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
" I'm OKAY with this " |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 4:30:23 PM EST
[#26]
Quoted:
SNIP "the same level of food value" SNIP Sounds higher if you ask me. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 4:37:05 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Two parents working is $42k a year. That's middle class. If they keep working they can become managers or skilled workers and move further up the chain. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 4:39:14 PM EST
[#28]
No more "It's Free swipe Yo EBT!"
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 4:42:00 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
This qoute from the article tells you all you need to know about the current system : "Shares of Dollar Tree Inc. and Dollar General Corp. both dropped on Monday after the plan was unveiled." Why do dollar stores and gas stations accept ebt? They don't sell real food, just junk food. Also, this won't replace the ebt, just reduce it. Plus there are still welfare payments, section 8, WIC, and medicaid. This nations poor will not starve or freeze. They can get winter jackets from Church donations or buy them cheap at Goodwill. This is a needed step towards systemic reform. Maybe we just get a restriction on what ebt can be used for. However, ftito lay, Dollar general, coca cola, and 7-11 will fight this tooth and nail. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 4:56:11 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's exactly hows it is done. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 5:07:15 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Maybe Trump can assign fathers too. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 5:37:45 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Any comments from the left yet? They oughta be creative. "Trump is cutting benefits for the poor while giving tax breaks to the rich" Now that I think about it, the tax break for the rich line works with the EBT crowd because they have no paycheck to compare to last years. Trump needs to fire back, "All the food boxes will meet Michelle's established guidelines."  Attached File |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 5:42:32 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Is it actually cheaper? I had a food box delivery service for a while and dumped it because for the price it was cheaper to go to the store and buy it myself. If we're talking about making the program cheaper, adding packaging and delivery cost to the program doesn't make it cheaper. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 5:44:13 PM EST
[#34]
Food stamps for the following:
Rice Beans Poultry Milk Bread Butter Flour Eggs Water Baby formula/food Done. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 5:49:17 PM EST
[#35]
Fantastic!
People need to be reminded that this is CHARITY! |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 5:55:09 PM EST
[#36]
Trump, you wild thing, you make our hearts sing
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 6:30:20 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Looks like it won't take the cash part totally out of the picture. the amount of food a household receives would be scaled to the size of the allotment, with about half of the assistance coming as food instead of cash |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 7:21:18 PM EST
[#38]
The comments on this are nuts. "Trump is telling poor people what they can eat", Only Trump's rich friends will get the contracts for the boxes", "What about people with dietary restriction?"
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 8:06:25 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
If they would just make and enforce laws on what can be bought with EBT, this would not be necessary. In MA it is legal to use EBT to get your nails done at a salon, buy alcohol, and buy cigarettes. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 8:13:02 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Dollar General near me sells real food....and it's often cheaper than the grocery store down the street..and it's a hell of a lot faster to get into and check out. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 8:15:37 PM EST
[#41]
Lower taxes, Amen!
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 8:18:20 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
This is why we must win a super majority in congress. Ideas like this become remote possibilities. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 8:23:46 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
That was weird, "quote" put up an entirely unrelated post (which I deleted in this edit). Just to be clear, I wasn't being critical of the proposal - it has a huge amount of merit. Not a fan at all of the, "I got mine, fuck the FSA" direction this thread immediately defaulted to. I don't believe it's going to be possible to engineer the fraud, waste and abuse out of a federal social safety net. Can we rely on the individual states to justly administer their own programs? I have no idea. My point was, I do know I'll tolerate some degree of criminality in the program before I see honest poor people and their kids suffer to ensure 100% of the abuse is stopped. Not a single dollar should be transferred from the .gov to the .state. The states have their own taxing systems & they should be free to spend as much or as little as they want on all these issues. All the people who love these handouts can move to the blue states & all the people who don't want to pay for these handouts can move to the red states - the system would fix itself & then everybody can be happy. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 8:28:48 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
We open up food kitchens and they have to go there to receive their balanced diet of 3 meals a day. EBT will only have a small amount on it for "fun things". The Dems should love it because it gives them more control over their slaves. They all get to live in the barracks & their days can be structured from 6AM to 5PM with a duty roster. Open a chow hall 3 times per day (where they all get to take turns working). Break the rules & you're out... |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 8:36:35 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
If they would just make and enforce laws on what can be bought with EBT, this would not be necessary. In MA it is legal to use EBT to get your nails done at a salon, buy alcohol, and buy cigarettes. BAIL HIM OUT OF JAIL! 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/13/2018 8:36:42 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What? No gubmint cheese?  |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/14/2018 3:11:51 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
This is kind of a stupid idea. There are better places to save money or generate jobs by far than something like this. But whatever, I always love how many of the "Muh freedom!!!" guys on here want to decide what food people eat lol Does that mean I get a vote on small arms acquisition just cause I pay taxes towards them too? M27s for all branches just to piss off joglee!!!! If they are asking for a handout, then they can eat what is given to them. It's not a hard concept. Being shiftless, poor and lazy should be embarrassing and difficult. Spare me the cries of "what about old people!" How did old people survive before EBT? That's right, their children would help support them in their old age - it's full circle. You take care of your children growing up and your children take care of you on your way out the door. The extended family living together was the default nature of humans for thousands of years. Grandparents helping raise grandchildren and contributing to the family income whatever way they can, in return for living with the kids in an large, combined house or in neighboring houses in their golden years. If you do such a shitty job of raising your kids that they abandon you in your old age, well, that's too bad. You know, true freedom is just doing nothing about these people at all. If they choose not to work and cannot afford food, then they starve. Each person is free to make that decision. Personal responsibility and all that. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/14/2018 7:46:22 PM EST
[#48]
The system could be totally restructured and the recipients would still find a way to beat it.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/14/2018 7:52:57 PM EST
[#49]
SNAP has been transformed from a safety net to a vote buying tool. Walmart will oppose it.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/14/2018 8:09:39 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
If they would just make and enforce laws on what can be bought with EBT, this would not be necessary. In MA it is legal to use EBT to get your nails done at a salon, buy alcohol, and buy cigarettes. 
EBT= Electronic Benefits Transfer =EBT card... Looks like a credit card SNAP = Food stamps..... now electronically deposited onto the card each month WIC= Women, Infants, Children... special welfare/foodstamps for the aforementioned group... also loaded onto the same EBT card Welfare= cash payments..... also loaded onto the same card. Recipients may qualify for 1,2, or all 3 benefits and the system keeps them separate. EBT Foodstamps will only buy food. Cash payments will buy almost anything except alcohol and tobacco. Same card, different restrictions |
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
Attached File