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Posted: 11/12/2017 11:56:40 PM EDT
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Alright I have a question for our never Trumpers who claim to have some secret information about how Trump is in Putin's pocket? How did Putin and the Russians go from having crooked Hillary bought and paid for to supporting her opponent?
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Posted: 11/13/2017 12:06:15 AM EDT
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Really weird that Trump specifically asked Russia for his opponents emails. 
The comment was clearly tongue in cheek. To characterize it as some kind of order to hack or release Hilary's emails, makes you a dishonest person. |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 12:10:19 AM EDT
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The ONI report speaks of Russian intentions. You're not getting that from just digital forensics of the DNC server. Also lots of technical attribution can be found on sources outside the DNC's network. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It was ironic that the first thing Obama did after getting in office was use the power of the US government to seed revolutions in foreign countries. Obama spent his life bitching about American presidents using our intelligence agencies to seed revolutions in foreign countries with little care for the consequences of those countries citizens. Yet the first thing Obama did after getting in office is the exact same thing. 
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Posted: 11/13/2017 12:24:18 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/13/2017 12:24:30 AM EDT
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Even the joint intelligence report doesn't say the Russians hacked the dnc. A "high probability" doesn't mean they did it. how could they even determine that when they never touched the dnc server? |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 12:28:03 AM EDT
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This, and the NSA only gave them a moderate probability. If Putin really hated Shitlery, he would have released her emails. |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 1:12:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/13/2017 1:19:41 AM EDT
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Who thinks in about a week the server will be confiscated in a raid??? |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 1:46:35 AM EDT
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Who thinks in about a week the server will be confiscated in a raid??? |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 1:50:14 AM EDT
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Are you familiar with the phrase "Closing the stable door after the horse has bolted"? |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 1:57:46 AM EDT
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You really owe it to yourself to read the ridiculous IC report.
IC report says judgments are not proof of fact, annex B, pg 13, lmao the IC has to CYA with disclaimers in their own reports. This means they can simply make shit up, and they're covered. Muh confidence level is high, based on judgments, precedence, and wild ass guesses, but no facts 
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Posted: 11/13/2017 7:19:08 AM EDT
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It was ironic that the first thing Obama did after getting in office was use the power of the US government to seed revolutions in foreign countries. Obama spent his life bitching about American presidents using our intelligence agencies to seed revolutions in foreign countries with little care for the consequences of those countries citizens. Yet the first thing Obama did after getting in office is the exact same thing. Shit, Bill went over there and made big bucks for himself and the "clinton foundation" snuggling up to them and giving speeches and the obama admin handed over the Crimean peninsula on a silver platter. Were you guys on here complaining about "muh russia" during that time period? How about when obama bent over and let Putin butt fuck him and dictate the current mideast situation? 
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Posted: 11/13/2017 7:21:29 AM EDT
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Yeah even I kinda went "WHOA" on that one!! 
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Posted: 11/13/2017 7:32:33 AM EDT
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The low-information crowd is really latching on to this "sealed indictments!!!!1111" thing, aren't they?  What evidence is out there regarding collusion shows it was the democrats and nevertrumpers who colluded with Putin via FusionGPS. I wonder if your boy Mueller will get back to why he was appointed in the first place and investigate the democrats and nevertrumpers who were the ones who actually colluded with Putin to bring down Trump? I am not holding my breath because this is a nothing burger witch hunt investigation. Something you and the other nevertrumpers/democrats here realize deep down was the only real collusion.........well unless you guys are capable of lying to yourselves. Something I am not able to do. |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 8:25:02 AM EDT
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The only indictment I read said NOTHING about Trump colluding with Putin. What evidence is out there regarding collusion shows it was the democrats and nevertrumpers who colluded with Putin via FusionGPS. I wonder if your boy Mueller will get back to why he was appointed in the first place and investigate the democrats and nevertrumpers who were the ones who actually colluded with Putin to bring down Trump? I am not holding my breath because this is a nothing burger witch hunt investigation. Something you and the other nevertrumpers/democrats here realize deep down was the only real collusion.........well unless you guys are capable of lying to yourselves. Something I am not able to do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The low-information crowd is really latching on to this "sealed indictments!!!!1111" thing, aren't they? What evidence is out there regarding collusion shows it was the democrats and nevertrumpers who colluded with Putin via FusionGPS. I wonder if your boy Mueller will get back to why he was appointed in the first place and investigate the democrats and nevertrumpers who were the ones who actually colluded with Putin to bring down Trump? I am not holding my breath because this is a nothing burger witch hunt investigation. Something you and the other nevertrumpers/democrats here realize deep down was the only real collusion.........well unless you guys are capable of lying to yourselves. Something I am not able to do. "This guy on 4chan says that there are 87,000 sealed federal indictments nationwide!" Basically all federal indictments are sealed between indictment and arrest / initial appearance. Without any further data (and you're not finding that in some moron cross-posting nonsense he clearly doesn't understand from Reddit) these numbers are meaningless. |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 8:40:03 AM EDT
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Just to make sure everyone is clear When he briefed Congress in January on the intelligence assessment, James Clapper, then the director of national intelligence, said: "This report does not — repeat does not — assess the impact of Russian activities on the actual outcome of the 2016 election or draw any conclusions in that regard one way or the other." Clapper also said there was no evidence that the Russians had actually altered vote totals on Election Day. Former senior U.S. officials who have read the classified assessment have told NBC News that there is no way to know whether the Russian effort — including hacking, leaking and a barrage of fake news on social media — influenced the election. Yeah I'm sure they influenced it as much as the timing of the 'pussy tape' and coordination by the DNC's fake news, and coordinated attacks at Trump rallies. |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 8:41:33 AM EDT
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Russia did hack the DNC. We're just trying to figure out the details of the second part being a possibility.  |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 8:42:11 AM EDT
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I wasn't talking about any of the criminal indictments that Mueller's team has already obtained. I was talking about the low-information types that are spreading normal federal court activity and trying to imply it's related to....anything. "This guy on 4chan says that there are 87,000 sealed federal indictments nationwide!" Basically all federal indictments are sealed between indictment and arrest / initial appearance. Without any further data (and you're not finding that in some moron cross-posting nonsense he clearly doesn't understand from Reddit) these numbers are meaningless.
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Posted: 11/13/2017 8:48:15 AM EDT
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Well, We were assured by your side that russia posed no threat and was great! Guess that was back around the time your gal was selling them Uranium!! 
I mean your side thought the russians were good enough to collude with them, and then claim Trump did
And then convince you to carry their water SAD! M A G A 
Did you even used to be conservative? Or have you always been a Liberal? Genuine question. 
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Posted: 11/13/2017 8:50:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/13/2017 9:04:13 AM EDT
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Refresh my memory. Didn’t somebody do an analysis of the DNC emails and somehow claim that the download speed showed they weren’t downloaded over the net but by thumb drive? Legit question. I seem to remember reading that someplace.
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Posted: 11/13/2017 9:06:11 AM EDT
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I wasn't talking about any of the criminal indictments that Mueller's team has already obtained. I was talking about the low-information types that are spreading normal federal court activity and trying to imply it's related to....anything. "This guy on 4chan says that there are 87,000 sealed federal indictments nationwide!" Basically all federal indictments are sealed between indictment and arrest / initial appearance. Without any further data (and you're not finding that in some moron cross-posting nonsense he clearly doesn't understand from Reddit) these numbers are meaningless. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The low-information crowd is really latching on to this "sealed indictments!!!!1111" thing, aren't they? What evidence is out there regarding collusion shows it was the democrats and nevertrumpers who colluded with Putin via FusionGPS. I wonder if your boy Mueller will get back to why he was appointed in the first place and investigate the democrats and nevertrumpers who were the ones who actually colluded with Putin to bring down Trump? I am not holding my breath because this is a nothing burger witch hunt investigation. Something you and the other nevertrumpers/democrats here realize deep down was the only real collusion.........well unless you guys are capable of lying to yourselves. Something I am not able to do. "This guy on 4chan says that there are 87,000 sealed federal indictments nationwide!" Basically all federal indictments are sealed between indictment and arrest / initial appearance. Without any further data (and you're not finding that in some moron cross-posting nonsense he clearly doesn't understand from Reddit) these numbers are meaningless. Not relevant to this thread.........just asking. |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 9:14:19 AM EDT
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You really owe it to yourself to read the ridiculous IC report. IC report says judgments are not proof of fact, annex B, pg 13, lmao the IC has to CYA with disclaimers in their own reports. This means they can simply make shit up, and they're covered. Muh confidence level is high, based on judgments, precedence, and wild ass guesses, but no facts |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 9:16:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/13/2017 9:17:53 AM EDT
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He said it publicly at a rally as a satirical joke because the DNC and Killary were already blaming their self induced shitshow on the russians Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/13/2017 9:19:28 AM EDT
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It was ironic that the first thing Obama did after getting in office was use the power of the US government to seed revolutions in foreign countries. Obama spent his life bitching about American presidents using our intelligence agencies to seed revolutions in foreign countries with little care for the consequences of those countries citizens. Yet the first thing Obama did after getting in office is the exact same thing. Zero legitimacy. zero. |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 9:20:50 AM EDT
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Really weird it was just a few weeks after a meeting his son, son-in-law, and campaign manager had with Russians to get dirt on Hillary. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Really weird that Trump specifically asked Russia for his opponents emails. Shit your democrats and nevertrumpers paid the Russians to find dirt on Trump and colluded with them. |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 9:23:19 AM EDT
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Really weird it was just a few weeks after a meeting his son, son-in-law, and campaign manager had with Russians to get dirt on Hillary. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/13/2017 9:28:22 AM EDT
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Really weird it was just a few weeks after a meeting his son, son-in-law, and campaign manager had with Russians to get dirt on Hillary. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/13/2017 9:29:05 AM EDT
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I was on a Grand Jury a few years ago..........once I heard the request of indictment from the prosecutor did it become "unsealed" or was it still considered "sealed"? Not relevant to this thread.........just asking. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The low-information crowd is really latching on to this "sealed indictments!!!!1111" thing, aren't they? What evidence is out there regarding collusion shows it was the democrats and nevertrumpers who colluded with Putin via FusionGPS. I wonder if your boy Mueller will get back to why he was appointed in the first place and investigate the democrats and nevertrumpers who were the ones who actually colluded with Putin to bring down Trump? I am not holding my breath because this is a nothing burger witch hunt investigation. Something you and the other nevertrumpers/democrats here realize deep down was the only real collusion.........well unless you guys are capable of lying to yourselves. Something I am not able to do. "This guy on 4chan says that there are 87,000 sealed federal indictments nationwide!" Basically all federal indictments are sealed between indictment and arrest / initial appearance. Without any further data (and you're not finding that in some moron cross-posting nonsense he clearly doesn't understand from Reddit) these numbers are meaningless. Not relevant to this thread.........just asking. |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 9:30:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/13/2017 9:30:52 AM EDT
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The usual suspects didn't go into a frenzy when Bush II said he looked into Putin's eyes and found him "straightforward and trustworthy".
The usual suspects didn't go into a frenzy when Historic Hillary wanted to "reset" relations with Russia. The usual suspects didn't go into a frenzy when Obama told the Russians he'd have "more flexibility" if he was re-elected. The Russian bogeyman appears to have been re-born about a year ago. 
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Posted: 11/13/2017 9:32:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/13/2017 9:32:28 AM EDT
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State or Federal? State probably does things a bit different - and probably seals indictments less since the local police are going to do a lot more PC arrests as opposed to federal agents. If Cleetus has already been arrested by the po-leece for slapping his old lady around and is currently sitting in jail there's no real reason to seal the indictment... Organized crime stuff..........but we couldn't talk about specifics, etc. IIRC, Michigan's State GJ's are kinda "weird" and maybe a "quasi" Federal type of Grand Jury. I just don't know near enough about them to technically tell you even though I was on one for about 6 months. We didn't meet that much either and there were only a few people being discussed for arrest. |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 9:32:57 AM EDT
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I was going to post this as a separate thread in GD, but it would instantly glaze over the TL:DR crowd.
Best article I've read summarizing the blatant discrepancies between the Clinton and Trump investigations. From the National Review, and well worth the time to read. Clinton Corruption V. Trump Collusion |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 9:34:08 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/13/2017 9:34:36 AM EDT
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Doubtful anyone else in this thread knows for a forensic image is...
So much expertise! I can't explain it to you, you don't have the proper clearance.
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Posted: 11/13/2017 9:43:55 AM EDT
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So much expertise! I can't explain it to you, you don't have the proper clearance. And, despite claims to the contrary, there is a huge issue with the"evidence" collected not being admissible in court. |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 9:46:50 AM EDT
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“With UMBRAGE and related projects the CIA cannot only increase its total number of attack types, but also misdirect attribution by leaving behind the ‘fingerprints’ of the groups that the attack techniques were stolen from,” Wikileaks said in a statement. a section titled "Umbrage" that details the CIA's ability to impersonate cyber-attack techniques used by Russia and other nation states. In theory, that means the agency could have faked digital forensic fingerprints to make the Russians look guilty of hacking the Democratic National Committee. The tools described in Umbrage are already publicly known and available. One is based on a prevalant espionage virus widely known by hackers called Shamoon, and another adapts malware likely developed by Chinese state-sponsored hackers. The tools can cover hackers' tracks or make attacks look like they come from other sources. I got some Chinese food, so The Chinese colluded with me to make my dinner. A guy I work with is Russian. Better call Mueller because last week he attempted to collude with me about problems with a server in Boston. |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 9:58:52 AM EDT
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And, despite claims to the contrary, there is a huge issue with the"evidence" collected not being admissible in court. Not surprisingly, so were the lawyers representing Historic Hillary, the DNC AND the U.S. Government. One might be forgiven for suspecting that those lawyers colluded to create that obstacle.
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Posted: 11/13/2017 10:03:39 AM EDT
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Also there was an analysis that said some of the emails floating around were altered to include a rusian havker fignsture but the edits were made on a version of word licensed to a dnc employee. They even gave his name. The implication was once dnc figured out wiki was leaking their shit they dumped a bunch out there too with the Russian signature.
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Posted: 11/13/2017 10:27:55 AM EDT
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the NSA informed the FBI that DNC computers had likely been hacked, three sources said. An FBI agent then called the DNC’s IT office and said that the organization’s servers had been compromised.
That part of the story has been told — how little was done for seven months. The FBI periodically tried to get in touch with the organization, but the DNC did not believe the threat was real. Finally, in April, the DNC IT department became convinced that there was a problem, and top Democratic officials became worried. But even then, they didn't call the FBI. They called the sales desk at CrowdStrike
So the FBI contacts you to let you know you have been hacked and you do NOTHING for 7 months. Then you realize it is real and you contact a private firm. BAHAHAHA Yeah, they aren't trying to hide anything, are they?
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Posted: 11/13/2017 10:28:03 AM EDT
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So the FBI contacts you to let you know you have been hacked and you do NOTHING for 7 months. Then you realize it is real and you contact a private firm. BAHAHAHA Yeah, they aren't trying to hide anything, are they?
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Posted: 11/13/2017 10:45:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/13/2017 10:47:24 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/13/2017 11:09:54 AM EDT
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Why are you still trying to prove Trump colluded with Russians when we know Hillary did and there's a money trail that is evidence she even paid a former "spy" and another russian citizen?
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