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Posted: 8/23/2023 8:16:24 AM EST
[#1]
I'm not reading all 6 pages, ALL of our 'gen z' workers can't work 40 hours at all!!
A fav is one called off all day cause all his clothes were in the dryer.  
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Posted: 8/23/2023 8:17:06 AM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s always the marginally competent employees with continuous attendance issues who expect to get more time off for ridiculous reasons. This is especially true in my werkplatz. I also get irritated with the ones that, although they arrive on time they can't/don't get started until.... "I've had my breakfast". I mean fuck, the place kinda has a schedule and right now we have some shit to do, but... No. You gotta go to the kitchenette and make your breakfast, sit down and eat and then maybe join us..? Most people eat their breakfast at home BEFORE they get to work, or... In the fucking car on their way to work. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 8:24:32 AM EST
[#3]
There are hundreds of this guy in GD. Just look at all the “my little girl/boy died today” threads where Fido died.
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Posted: 8/23/2023 8:29:31 AM EST
[#4]
I certainly understand being attached to your pets, but bereavement leave for a pet is a no-go. No company I know provides that.
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Posted: 8/23/2023 8:30:26 AM EST
[#5]
When my dog dies, you can bet your ass I'll be taking at least a day to mourn her.
She's my best friend. That being said, I'd take it unpaid if required and I NEVER call in sick. I have literally weeks of PTO saved up, so it's not an issue to me, and my employer knows if I'm not at work, it must be important. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 8:30:33 AM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Personal improvement plan? Some sort of structured hey this is the last chance thing? It is the sensitized version of having your ass written up for job performance issues. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 8:33:25 AM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Personal Improvement Plan It is a written plan to correct behavior before firing an employee. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: whats a PIP? Personal Improvement Plan It is a written plan to correct behavior before firing an employee. "Don't come back to work, asshole" |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 8:36:02 AM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2048/20160813_132743-1941618.jpgafter I had to put Tank down, I didn't mention it to any of the guys at work for a month. That was for their safety and wellbeing. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2048/20170221_193834-2259887.jpg |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 8:37:10 AM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I had a guy ask to duck out early because his / his wife's cat died. That was more about dealing with his hysterical wife than the cat though. He's one of our top guys with zero performance issues. I still fired him. I literally lol'd |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 8:54:18 AM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you have good attendance, it doesn't matter why you call in. If you have poor attendance, it doesn't matter what excuse you use. Last I looked I think I had around 2 or 3 months worth of vacation and sick leave stacked up. If I call in, the boss knows I have a reason. I don't even bother explaining the reason, and he doesn't ask. This. I don't understand why this is so hard for some people in here to grasp. It's not about the cat at this point. That is no longer a valid excuse. We don't even know if it's true and I doubt that it is. Now the part about asking for for counseling is over the top and can be a separate topic of discussion. But the issue here is a bad employee making his problems everyone else's problem because he consistently can't show up for work. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 9:01:10 AM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When my cat died, my boss was chill with me taking the day off. Dude's pet died, give him a break. If this post was about a boomer and his dog everyone would have a different opinion. Nope, still an animal. Be sad if needed, then man the fuck up. If I had someone pull that shit I’d be more than ready to terminate employment on the spot. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 9:03:39 AM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't have any kids, and I don't plan on dying in a nursing home, so I guess I'm covered there.  But in all seriousness, I get it. If it's a good employee with a solid history, then they can take a day for whatever it is that grieves them and it's fine. But I'd still look at it about the same as someone asking for a day off because their girlfriend broke up with them. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 9:17:25 AM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a difference between a break up, and a dead animal in your house. I'm not leaving a dog corpse on my floor to rot all day because my boss wouldn't give me a day to at least do something about it. That's some sick shit, and a genuine symptom of severe mental illness. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't have any kids, and I don't plan on dying in a nursing home, so I guess I'm covered there. But in all seriousness, I get it. If it's a good employee with a solid history, then they can take a day for whatever it is that grieves them and it's fine. But I'd still look at it about the same as someone asking for a day off because their girlfriend broke up with them. How old are you? We don't even know if there really is a cat. Employee has enough unexcused absences that he was ALREADY on a PIP. He was hired to be at work. He has not been at work. Why is he owed more and more leniency? I would have fired him before now, but I don't have to answer to HR. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 9:28:58 AM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How old are you? We don't even know if there really is a cat. Employee has enough unexcused absences that he was ALREADY on a PIP. He was hired to be at work. He has not been at work. Why is he owed more and more leniency? I would have fired him before now, but I don't have to answer to HR. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 9:47:59 AM EST
[#15]
True story I took a bullet to the shoulder and came to work the next day. Couldn't use my arm but that's ok because I don't do any heavy lifting.
Now when anyone else calls out they get shit on because I came in with a hole in my shoulder. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 9:56:31 AM EST
[#16]
I own a small business and I would 100% give someone a day off dealing with a deceased pet. When my dog goes I know I’m going to be worthless for a day or two.
Sounds like this guy was already taking advantage though, so the specifics matter. Lol at bereavement leave but if this is his first job he just doesn’t know how the world works yet. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 9:59:01 AM EST
[#17]
I"m shocked considering any thread about someones dog being hurt or killed leads to all kinds of posts about how they would go on a murder spree for their pet. Maybe this guy loved is cat as much as they love their dogs?
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Posted: 8/23/2023 10:01:09 AM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Performance improvement plan. Get you to knowledge your fucking up so when you keep fucking up they can easily fire you and keep hr happy. That. And as a senior VP once told me, if anyone manages to get off a PIP, we've fucked up. Basically, it's a procedure HR pretends is well-meaning and intended to help a struggling employee, but it's really just intended to create a paperwork trail to ensure eventual termination stands up to any outside scrutiny / litigation. TL;DR: if you are put on a PIP, you should start looking for a new job ASAP because you are done there. ETA: holy heck, 7 pages? I'm two thousand and late. 
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Posted: 8/23/2023 10:02:44 AM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol at bereavement leave but if this is his first job he just doesn't know how the world works yet. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 10:22:31 AM EST
[#20]
it was a cat for Christ's sake. it was not like it was a golden retriever
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Posted: 8/23/2023 10:24:28 AM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a difference between being a snowflake and not being a sociopath. If you're the kind of person that won't allow employees a day off to bury a pet, don't be surprised when your kids won't take a day off to visit you in the nursing home. Wtf? Bury your pets after work or on the weekend. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 10:30:31 AM EST
[#22]
I don't need to provide a reason for taking PTO that is a formal part of my compensation.
The company owes me PTO, not "PTO for approved activities". |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 10:31:06 AM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wtf? Bury your pets after work or on the weekend. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 10:38:57 AM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just another sign that the pussification of the American male has been successful . A GUY wrote those texts. A freaking dude. An American male. WTF? If someone is that emotionally attached to the most aloof, arrogant , useless creature on the planet, something went very wrong in their development. Jeff Cooper and Winston Churchill called, they said you are trying way too hard. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 10:42:04 AM EST
[#25]
Pretty sure he's trolling and if not, then fuck.
Scratch that, I literally just had a guy ask me how to put on a bandaid. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 10:55:08 AM EST
[#26]
Had a grown ass boomer woman start balling her eyes out in the middle of an interview when she got the call her cat died....
i had to force myself to not start laughing hysterically..... it's not just gen z, most westerners are pet obsessed pussies! |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 11:27:19 AM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a difference between a break up, and a dead animal in your house. I'm not leaving a dog corpse on my floor to rot all day because my boss wouldn't give me a day to at least do something about it. That's some sick shit, and a genuine symptom of severe mental illness. Found another one!! You sir must be one hell of a problem solver if your only option is leaving a dog on the floor to rot if not given a whole day off to deal with it. You could always call mommy to help. LOL! Not giving a problem employee a day off to fuck with a dead cat is now equated to " severe mental illness". FFS we are doomed and FUBARed. Such drama!!
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Posted: 8/23/2023 11:33:08 AM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I had a guy ask to duck out early because his / his wife's cat died. That was more about dealing with his hysterical wife than the cat though. He's one of our top guys with zero performance issues. I still fired him. Your top guys must not have much value I would guess. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 11:33:47 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a difference between a break up, and a dead animal in your house. I'm not leaving a dog corpse on my floor to rot all day because my boss wouldn't give me a day to at least do something about it. That's some sick shit, and a genuine symptom of severe mental illness. You don’t have a freezer? |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 11:35:08 AM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "Bro just let your cat rot in your apartment for a week bro. Mr. Silverburg needs those spreadsheets done today!" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wtf? Bury your pets after work or on the weekend. Throw it in a ziplock / thermal bag and shove it in the fridge FFS. It'll stay fresh enough for days. You could even talk to it to help you get over the deep emotional trauma. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 11:36:59 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't have a freezer?  This kind of shit is why I'm self employed now. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 11:37:56 AM EST
[#32]
In my neck of the woods bereavement leave is only for family member. Husband/wife, child/parent, siblings or grandparent/grandchild. Nothing else.
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Posted: 8/23/2023 11:41:01 AM EST
[#33]
I had this exact same issue about a year ago with an employee.
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Posted: 8/23/2023 11:45:38 AM EST
[#34]
I'm sympathetic for pets dying so I'd let this one slide for a day, but the PIP is appropriate for the previous two days absence unless there's an excuse for it.
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Posted: 8/23/2023 11:46:44 AM EST
[#35]
Not really a gen z thing. I've gotten messages like that from every age group.
I had a guy wake me up at 230am last week to tell me he couldn't make it because his dog was sick. I've also heard my horse is sick, as well as " I need to pick my sister up from church" at midnight. You get used to it as an employer. You will hear it all. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 11:58:39 AM EST
[#36]
When I put my dog down I took a few days off. I guess I just dont give a fuck about my job that much over my family.
Hell, imo if people can use the bullshit "my kid is sick" excuse for a free day off.. I don't care if something else is going on. Just like people who smoke taking 10x 15 min smoke breaks a day |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 12:01:23 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Throw it in a ziplock / thermal bag and shove it in the fridge FFS. It'll stay fresh enough for days. You could even talk to it to help you get over the deep emotional trauma. Account name checks out. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 12:07:43 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He said that, broadly speaking, a dead animal is no different than a break up. That's far beyond the individual circumstances described by the OP. That is a Jeffery Dahmer mentality. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How old are you? We don't even know if there really is a cat. Employee has enough unexcused absences that he was ALREADY on a PIP. He was hired to be at work. He has not been at work. Why is he owed more and more leniency? I would have fired him before now, but I don't have to answer to HR. It isn't that hard to put Fluffy in a box in the freezer until you have time for it. That's what they do to Grammie Gram. I think it's pretty clear that this thread is about a marginal to bad employee asking something unreasonable (Bereavement leave) after having exhausted the rest of his slack. The cat thing is simply the latest silly reason and it's worthy of posting on Arf. If he said it was a flat tire, it wouldn't be quite so noteworthy. Employees with attendance issues have flat tires all the time starting in June. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 12:14:19 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's becoming an increasingly common benefit, so it kinda is how the world works. I'm not an advocate for it, but compared to some of the other frivolous bullshit my old corporate job offered, I'd rather have pet bereavement than company paid yoga lessons or a general information hotline staffed around the clock (it was essentially calling someone to Google shit for you, and I don't think anybody ever used it in the entire company). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lol at bereavement leave but if this is his first job he just doesn't know how the world works yet. We have been very generous and reasonable with our policies, but specific Bereavement Leave is defined as close employee family with a couple tiers. To my knowledge, no one in our company has EVER been actually let go because they took a day off to bury their pet. No one has ever even asked for special bereavement leave. They all have ample unpaid personal days as well as paid vacation days. In reality it sucks that sometimes we are so busy that it's hard to accommodate good employees who need time off, but we try. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 12:15:36 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "Bro just let your cat rot in your apartment for a week bro. Mr. Silverburg needs those spreadsheets done today!" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wtf? Bury your pets after work or on the weekend. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 12:17:22 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This kind of shit is why I'm self employed now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You don't have a freezer? This kind of shit is why I'm self employed now. Crazy flex my man! |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 12:20:49 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "Increasingly common" can also mean "its a new thing that employees of Google and Facebook started getting a couple years ago and was featured in an article on Yahoo!". We have been very generous and reasonable with our policies, but specific Bereavement Leave is defined as close employee family with a couple tiers. To my knowledge, no one in our company has EVER been actually let go because they took a day off to bury their pet. No one has ever even asked for special bereavement leave. They all have ample unpaid personal days as well as paid vacation days. In reality it sucks that sometimes we are so busy that it's hard to accommodate good employees who need time off, but we try. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 12:21:44 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When I put my dog down I took a few days off. I guess I just dont give a fuck about my job that much over my family. Hell, imo if people can use the bullshit "my kid is sick" excuse for a free day off.. I don't care if something else is going on. Just like people who smoke taking 10x 15 min smoke breaks a day You are confused bless your heart!! |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 12:23:58 PM EST
[#44]
Quoted: Person already has attendance issues and missed two days leading into this text. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/23831/IMG_0884_jpeg-2928627.JPG Facepalm. ????? Holy cow.... I think you handled that about as tactfully as possible. If I had to communicate with him in a live conversation I would have had a hard time not breaking out into laughter. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 12:26:17 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In all fairness, they could have been close to the kittah, and that could be devastating to some. Also, I suspect they'll need to take the body to a vet for cremation or similar. I know these comments won't go over well in GD.  Yeah a day to get everything squared away isn’t out of line. Or should he just throw outside in the trash can? |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 12:28:32 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That. And as a senior VP once told me, if anyone manages to get off a PIP, we've fucked up. Basically, it's a procedure HR pretends is well-meaning and intended to help a struggling employee, but it's really just intended to create a paperwork trail to ensure eventual termination stands up to any outside scrutiny / litigation. TL;DR: if you are put on a PIP, you should start looking for a new job ASAP because you are done there. ETA: holy heck, 7 pages? I'm two thousand and late. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Performance improvement plan. Get you to knowledge your fucking up so when you keep fucking up they can easily fire you and keep hr happy. That. And as a senior VP once told me, if anyone manages to get off a PIP, we've fucked up. Basically, it's a procedure HR pretends is well-meaning and intended to help a struggling employee, but it's really just intended to create a paperwork trail to ensure eventual termination stands up to any outside scrutiny / litigation. TL;DR: if you are put on a PIP, you should start looking for a new job ASAP because you are done there. ETA: holy heck, 7 pages? I'm two thousand and late. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 12:31:02 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah a day to get everything squared away isn’t out of line. Or should he just throw outside in the trash can? Try and keep up. We already Said fridge or freezer. On ice in a cooler would work too. Trash cans aren't cold enough unless it is winter in the colder climate areas. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 12:32:30 PM EST
[#48]
My cat and I read this together... My cat is smarter than many people I've met. Though that doesn't say much, I've met some STUPID MF'ers...
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Posted: 8/23/2023 12:34:07 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A guy sent that? I saw the name scott. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 12:35:36 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Several people in this thread have said that they have pet bereavement at their jobs. Again, I'm not an advocate for it. I don't demand that it be a standard benefit, nor have I ever worked anywhere that offered it. I'm also not mad that some places offer it and can't fault a guy for asking if his employer does. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "Increasingly common" can also mean "its a new thing that employees of Google and Facebook started getting a couple years ago and was featured in an article on Yahoo!". We have been very generous and reasonable with our policies, but specific Bereavement Leave is defined as close employee family with a couple tiers. To my knowledge, no one in our company has EVER been actually let go because they took a day off to bury their pet. No one has ever even asked for special bereavement leave. They all have ample unpaid personal days as well as paid vacation days. In reality it sucks that sometimes we are so busy that it's hard to accommodate good employees who need time off, but we try. |
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