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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:13:27 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do the DOGs ever not alert? Yes, there are more than a few times where we've had a dog out and it not hit on anything. Hell; I can't tell you the last I even called for a dog that wasn't tracking related |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:15:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's pretty impressive that we have reached the point where police officers are telling us not to listen to police officers.  What you have is police officers telling you not to listen to politicians. The advice you are referring to is released to the public on the orders of administrators who in my opinion are politicians. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:16:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What you have is police officers telling you not to listen to politicians. The advice you are referring to is released to the public on the orders of administrators who in my opinion are politicians. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's pretty impressive that we have reached the point where police officers are telling us not to listen to police officers. What you have is police officers telling you not to listen to politicians. The advice you are referring to is released to the public on the orders of administrators who in my opinion are politicians. PIOs are politicians? Oh, that's right the standard "No true Scotsman" BS from cops that's can't get promoted. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:19:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm taking your advice and not listening to your advice. Lol, I’m not a government spokesman, but if you prefer to accept the advice of some politician over people who actually do the job then that’s you’re right. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:20:34 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So how big is the department you work for? Lol, I’m not answering that, and I don’t see how it is even relevant. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:21:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, I’m not a government spokesman, but if you prefer to accept the advice of some politician over people who actually do the job then that’s you’re right. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm taking your advice and not listening to your advice. Lol, I’m not a government spokesman, but if you prefer to accept the advice of some politician over people who actually do the job then that’s you’re right. Are police spokesmen not people who do the job? |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:24:57 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why is it stupid to do traffic enforcement in an unmarked car? Because someone might claim they couldn’t tell you were actually a police officer. That doesn’t make it less illegal to not stop, and it also doesn’t mean they aren’t stopping for other reasons. Why give someone an excuse regardless of how dubious it might be? Also sometimes people claim they failed to yield because they didn’t know you were the real police even when you are in a marked unit. Sometimes they even call 911. It’s almost like they aren’t stopping for some other reason. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:28:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: PIOs are politicians? Oh, that's right the standard "No true Scotsman" BS from cops that's can't get promoted. Who do you think tells/clears the PIO to release a statement like the one we’re discussing? Also not everyone who gets promoted is a politician, but the higher someone is it’s almost inevitable they are. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:28:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are police spokesmen not people who do the job? Not always, no But sometimes, maybe even most of the time. Also, some people that are “cops” never really did any police work. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:30:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not always, no But sometimes, maybe even most of the time. Also, some people that are “cops” never really did any police work. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Are police spokesmen not people who do the job? Not always, no But sometimes, maybe even most of the time. Also, some people that are “cops” never really did any police work. Thanks. I can’t get enough of the stupid “No true Scotsman” trope. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:31:16 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are police spokesmen not people who do the job? Depends on the spokesman. Someone who has worked admin nearly their entire career, or hasn’t done anything but admin work for years does not “do the job” in my opinion. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:31:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who do you think tells/clears the PIO to release a statement like the one we’re discussing? Also not everyone who gets promoted is a politician, but the higher someone is it’s almost inevitable they are. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: PIOs are politicians? Oh, that's right the standard "No true Scotsman" BS from cops that's can't get promoted. Who do you think tells/clears the PIO to release a statement like the one we’re discussing? Also not everyone who gets promoted is a politician, but the higher someone is it’s almost inevitable they are. A sworn law enforcement officer is who I expect approves he statement. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:31:32 PM EDT
[#13]
I’m still interested in hearing how you would handle emergency lights in your mirrors at night time.
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:32:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not always, no But sometimes, maybe even most of the time. Also, some people that are “cops” never really did any police work. And don’t understand the realities of doing police work, and thus give poor advice to people. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:33:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m still interested in hearing how you would handle emergency lights in your mirrors at night time. It depends, |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:34:08 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And don’t understand the realities of doing police work, and thus give poor advice to people. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not always, no But sometimes, maybe even most of the time. Also, some people that are “cops” never really did any police work. And don’t understand the realities of doing police work, and thus give poor advice to people. The only true police officers are the ones still in entry level jobs. But not feds. And not from a department that’s too small. And not from a department that’s too big. And not state investigators. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:35:38 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks. I can’t get enough of the stupid “No true Scotsman” trope. I’m not sure what you do/did for a living, but surely you’ve worked with people before in the same organization you also worked in that had no idea how to do your job, and honestly had no business giving people advice in relation to it. Surely it isn’t that hard to understand. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:36:37 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s bull crap. I’m sure there’s more to the story  21yo white guy with new truck pulled over by 5'2" black cop in Caddo Parish, LA. That should explain the rest |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:38:24 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A sworn law enforcement officer is who I expect approves he statement. They may be sworn, but that doesn’t mean they know anything about police work. It also doesn’t mean that they aren’t more politician than police. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:42:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They may be sworn, but that doesn’t mean they know anything about police work. It also doesn’t mean that they aren’t more politician than police. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A sworn law enforcement officer is who I expect approves he statement. They may be sworn, but that doesn’t mean they know anything about police work. It also doesn’t mean that they aren’t more politician than police. Honestly that’s internal bullshit that the public doesn’t care about. The only thing this line of thought does is further the idea that police are improperly managed and should get less funding. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:44:26 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The only true police officers are the ones still in entry level jobs. But not feds. And not from a department that’s too small. And not from a department that’s too big. And not state investigators. No, there are tons of “true police officers” who are not in entry level jobs. I find it hard to believe you aren’t being intentionally obtuse. I can’t remember for sure so I mean no offense, but we’re you in the Navy or the Air Force? |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:44:39 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FTY for minutes? I just retired, but was a certified in CTTD and PIT. Your son's lucky he wasn't spiked or pitted for a few minutes of FTY. Is this really how LEO thinks? I wish some city cop would PIT me while I'm calling to verify their unmarked car legitimacy. I am tired of work and my brother is a bored lawyer. Most agencies around me have PSAs advising motorists to pull over in a safe area and contact 911 if they are being pulled over by a suspicious vehicle. Conducting traffic stops in unmarked vehicles is unsafe for both parties. I would not feel safe pulling over because a blue Dodge Charger had an Amazon flashing blue light. Fake Cop pulls over Mayor |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:46:16 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, there are tons of “true police officers” who are not in entry level jobs. I find it hard to believe you aren’t being intentionally obtuse. I can’t remember for sure so I mean no offense, but we’re you in the Navy or the Air Force? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The only true police officers are the ones still in entry level jobs. But not feds. And not from a department that’s too small. And not from a department that’s too big. And not state investigators. No, there are tons of “true police officers” who are not in entry level jobs. I find it hard to believe you aren’t being intentionally obtuse. I can’t remember for sure so I mean no offense, but we’re you in the Navy or the Air Force? It’s a mystery why you never made detective. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:46:33 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Honestly that’s internal bullshit that the public doesn’t care about. The only thing this line of thought does is further the idea that police are improperly managed and should get less funding. I wouldn’t argue that many departments are improperly managed, but I don’t think less funding would result in an outcome most would find acceptable. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:47:49 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll take assholes with badges for $1000, Alex. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What is the single constant in all your run ins with shitty cops over the years? I'll take assholes with badges for $1000, Alex. root cause analysis isn't your strong suit........... |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:47:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s a mystery why you never made detective. Lol, how do you know I didn’t, I’m not, or that I would even want to? |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:48:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn’t argue that many departments are improperly managed, but I don’t think less funding would result in an outcome most would find acceptable. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Honestly that’s internal bullshit that the public doesn’t care about. The only thing this line of thought does is further the idea that police are improperly managed and should get less funding. I wouldn’t argue that many departments are improperly managed, but I don’t think less funding would result in an outcome most would find acceptable. You wouldn’t argue that they are improperly managed, only that leadership doesn’t know how to do their underlying job. Okay. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:49:55 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, how do you know I didn’t, I’m not, or that I would even want to? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It’s a mystery why you never made detective. Lol, how do you know I didn’t, I’m not, or that I would even want to? I get it man. All the best people want to stay entry level. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:57:02 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You wouldn’t argue that they are improperly managed, only that leadership doesn’t know how to do their underlying job. Okay. I’m agreeing that oftentimes they are improperly managed. That includes not knowing how to do their underlying job. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:58:17 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m agreeing that oftentimes they are improperly managed. That includes not knowing how to do their underlying job. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You wouldn’t argue that they are improperly managed, only that leadership doesn’t know how to do their underlying job. Okay. I’m agreeing that oftentimes they are improperly managed. That includes not knowing how to do their underlying job. Yet improperly managed organizations should continue to be fully funded? |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 7:01:15 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I get it man. All the best people want to stay entry level. Again you are making assumptions, and you know what they say about those. Also not all of us surf on a PC or with our phones in landscape mode. Are the higher echelons of the Air Force not more politician than anything else? Can you become a general without being very political? |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 7:02:21 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet improperly managed organizations should continue to be fully funded? They should be fixed rather than defunded. Let’s not throw out the baby with the bath water. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 7:03:34 PM EDT
[#33]
If you’ve been, even gently, penetrated -you’ve been screwed. Fascists doing fascist stuff. Sorry your son was hassled. We are all under the boot.
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Posted: 6/2/2023 7:42:14 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you think at any point the citizens of this land...you know the rulers...would agree to that? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: ? Is it that hard to understand? Stopping cars in an unmarked unit is not criminal. It isn’t even acting like a criminal. Criminals rarely stop motorists while they are driving, and the vast majority of criminals never have and never will. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it criminal. Personally I also think it’s stupid, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to claim it is something it isn’t. Do you think at any point the citizens of this land...you know the rulers...would agree to that? True consent is another one of those hated concepts. "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed," |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 7:48:05 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If the officer picked a shitty spot that’s on them. Ultimately it’ll be them who gets killed if they get hit by another motorist. . So at least 3 parties placed at risk by that choice, yet you only focus on 1 of them potentially being harmed. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 7:48:28 PM EDT
[#36]
Man this thread really delivers the GD goodness
Statists, anti cops, actual cops, boot lickings, fun anecdotes, total lack of reading comprehension, op ghosting and free legal advise! Check, check, check, check, check If someone could mention either trump or Ukraine I'll win my bingo card. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 7:50:48 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What is the single constant in all your run ins with shitty cops over the years? The stop is a bullshit fishing expedition? |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 7:51:54 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Was that meant to be a link to some relevant case law, or statute? It looks like a news article which is relevant to my post. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-01-21-me-10-story.html#:~:text=Peyer%20and%20his%20wife%20are,daughter%20from%20their%20own%20marriage. Was that meant to be a link to some relevant case law, or statute? It looks like a news article which is relevant to my post. Just an example of something the powers that be want everyone to pretend doesn't happen. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 7:52:12 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Man this thread really delivers the GD goodness Statists, anti cops, actual cops, boot lickings, fun anecdotes, total lack of reading comprehension, op ghosting and free legal advise! Check, check, check, check, check If someone could mention either trump or Ukraine I'll win my bingo card. You forgot "Hitler" |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 7:53:06 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Stopping cars in an unmarked unit is not criminal. It isn’t even acting like a criminal. Criminals rarely stop motorists while they are driving, and the vast majority of criminals never have and never will. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it criminal. Personally I also think it’s stupid, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to claim it is something it isn’t. It's illegal to do traffic stops in Ohio with unmarked cars. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 7:56:53 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t understand what is so hard about just pulling over. If the officer picked a shitty spot that’s on them. Ultimately it’ll be them who gets killed if they get hit by another motorist. Sometimes I wonder if it’s more about trying to be difficult, and control the situation much like left lane campers. Just do what you are supposed to do. Damn that citizen having any control at all. submit and obey. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 7:57:13 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So how big is the department you work for? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In my experience yes. Sometimes even when you would bet money they should. Far short of the 10:1 le:serf ratio that is the goal. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 7:59:28 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Texas DPS lit me up on a major road, I was coming in from night hog hunting, I drove aprox 3/4 mile before pulling over. He asked why, I explained to get us both out of traffic and him in a well lit area. He looked around and thanked me, I ate my chicken strips while I got a warning ticket for speeding and we talked about hog hunting. Don't be a dick There are cops who would have jumped your ass in this very thread. You got a decent guy with common sense. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 8:00:32 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, there are more than a few times where we've had a dog out and it not hit on anything. Hell; I can't tell you the last I even called for a dog that wasn't tracking related Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do the DOGs ever not alert? Yes, there are more than a few times where we've had a dog out and it not hit on anything. Hell; I can't tell you the last I even called for a dog that wasn't tracking related So what happens to the dog when it refuses to comply? |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 8:03:08 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not all advice is good advice. Not pulling over a for a police vehicle is going to raise the level of the interaction with that police officer. If you feel the need to make a phone call based on the circumstances then you should be prepared for the likely possibility that the officer that is trying to pull you over now has a heightened level of suspicion over why you are not pulling over. I guess you should do as you see fit based on the probability that is a fake cop car versus a real one that is unmarked. This is a great time to apply Occam’s razor. The difference being it's ok for the cop to have a "heightened sense of awareness" but not ok for the average joe to call and make sure he isn't being carjacked. Why is that? |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 8:04:46 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The only true police officers are the ones still in entry level jobs. But not feds. And not from a department that’s too small. And not from a department that’s too big. And not state investigators. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not always, no But sometimes, maybe even most of the time. Also, some people that are “cops” never really did any police work. And don’t understand the realities of doing police work, and thus give poor advice to people. The only true police officers are the ones still in entry level jobs. But not feds. And not from a department that’s too small. And not from a department that’s too big. And not state investigators. And per new cops, the only ones who are heavy handed are veterans about to retire and per veterans about to retire the only heavy handed ones are new hires. Been that way for decades. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 8:05:52 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Any reasonable person who has even a rudimentary understanding of statistics whose capable of rational thought. Surely you all realize it isn’t illegal to own a fully marked police car. Stripes, light bar, spotlight, the whole shebang. So I guess everyone should call 911 to verify it is actually the police stopping them anytime they are stopped? |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 8:07:39 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn’t argue that many departments are improperly managed, but I don’t think less funding would result in an outcome most would find acceptable. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Honestly that’s internal bullshit that the public doesn’t care about. The only thing this line of thought does is further the idea that police are improperly managed and should get less funding. I wouldn’t argue that many departments are improperly managed, but I don’t think less funding would result in an outcome most would find acceptable. More civil asset forfeiture to pay for margarita machines? |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 8:08:31 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Millions of stops a day. How many with fake cops? Not even one a day makes the news, right? And traffic stops are dangerous and danger doesn't always equate to death. You look at death stats alone and you will never have decent information. Injuries, fights, violence, etc. is what makes traffic stops dangerous. They are unknowns, more so than most calls for service. It's the same for folks getting pulled over. They have no idea if they will get a warning, or cuffed in the back of a car. Could be someone pulling them over to take their car. It's an unknown for them as well. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 8:09:54 PM EDT
[#50]
Ahh, another Ouija dog.
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