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Did you give him the advice to not pullover? ‘Cause that’s why it happened.
- not saying it’s right. But it’s reality. He’s lucky that all he got. |
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Quoted: I agree with you, but things are done differently in Montana or at least in parts of the state. For many parts of the state, it's like going back in time 30 years, just like parts of Idaho. Waiting for a female officer to show up could very well be legit, heck I've never seen a female officer around here. I'm sure your agency is different, and you've always seemed like a good officer to me, but not all officers are the same and you know that better than most. View Quote BS. Especially with any agency large enough to field unmarked vehicles. Don't perpetuate this crap. |
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Quoted: This is what we call a fishing expedition. Tell your son the next time he thinks a car is following him exit and buy a snack at the next exit. View Quote This. BUT sometimes you just don't know if you're being followed. Especially if it's an unmarked car with a plain clothes driver in it. Hmmm. Wonder if that was even legal. |
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Quoted: I'd like to but here's the thing. In 3 months he has to travel back through there in the same vehicle. License plate readers being what they are, I don't want to risk this getting out on the internet. View Quote No offense op, but that's pretty retarded. They don't have time for BS like that, and nothing like that would ever happen. |
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Quoted: Cops drive unmarked cars, teaching your kid to not pull over for them is a great way to have her get felony stopped with a bunch of nervous trigger fingers in her face. About 10 years ago, some snowflake 17 year old girl didn’t think she had to obey the cop that had her pulled over and when she tried to roll away with the cop in front of her she got shot and died. Being scared is not an antidote to the realities that other people in the world deal with. Emergency lights mean “pull over as soon as it is safely practicable”, not “pull over only if you feel safe”. View Quote A cop smoked a 17yo girl? what did she do to warrant that? |
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Quoted: Maybe he should have driven a little smarter, and then pulled over when he got lit up immediately after doing something that he should not have. Probably would have worked out a little different, as in not cuffed and stuffed, etc. Sounds like someone thought he was playing games, so they decided to play games back, wasting everyone’s time. That being said…that is a ridiculously long time to be on a stop for nothing being found. Drug corridor or not, big deal, most interstates have plenty of drugs moving back and forth. Not much of a reason for randomly searching vehicles, since you know, regular folks also use the freeways… View Quote The police should be above playing games. If they have that kind of attitude they're in the wrong profession. |
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Quoted: Nope, nothing to do with LEO’s in my work. It doesn’t take a 4 year law student to know that making a cop follow you for miles while you call in your stop to make sure it’s really a cop and that you should pull over is a recipe for making the cop suspicious that you are doing something wrong. You don’t get that luxury.. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: So in your mind, that justifies harassing and searching the kids for 3 hours? You must work for an enlightened agency. Nope, nothing to do with LEO’s in my work. It doesn’t take a 4 year law student to know that making a cop follow you for miles while you call in your stop to make sure it’s really a cop and that you should pull over is a recipe for making the cop suspicious that you are doing something wrong. You don’t get that luxury.. Why would a cop pulling someone over in an unmarked vehicle not expect that? |
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Quoted: Nope, nothing to do with LEO’s in my work. It doesn’t take a 4 year law student to know that making a cop follow you for miles while you call in your stop to make sure it’s really a cop and that you should pull over is a recipe for making the cop suspicious that you are doing something wrong. You don’t get that luxury.. View Quote Law school for normal people is 3 years. There are no 4-L students unless they fuck up. Your whole line of reasoning is retardo. |
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Quoted: This. BUT sometimes you just don't know if you're being followed. Especially if it's an unmarked car with a plain clothes driver in it. Hmmm. Wonder if that was even legal. View Quote No, this is a half story. And legal? Red and Blues? Yeah, legal. Doesn't matter what the officer is wearing. I can tell you this though, no unmarked is doing a traffic stop with a dog and getting a sniff without a whole lot more going on. |
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Quoted: Why does your special snowflake son think he's important enough to call it in when he gets lit up by a cop car to "make sure"? Really? You don't understand why a cop would be pissed that someone didn't obey his command to pull over and stop? Of course they searched his fucking car, he acted like a damned criminal. View Quote |
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Quoted: A cop smoked a 17yo girl? what did she do to warrant that? View Quote Just like the story in the op, you’re not getting the entire story. At least the op admits that, good for him. It amazes me sometimes how some threads take off like this and others don’t, the mouth breathers seem to be the common denominator. |
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Quoted: Did you give him the advice to not pullover? ‘Cause that’s why it happened. - not saying it’s right. But it’s reality. He’s lucky that all he got. View Quote I wouldn't pull over for an unmarked car without verifying its an actual policeman, either. Pull over immediately? Whoops, its a car jacker. Sorry you guessed wrong. You're dead now. |
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Quoted: Compared to the millions of times a day people are pulled over in this country, especially after doing something that might warrant a stop? Please, you’re pissing down my back and telling me it’s raining. I have no problem calling a cop out when they step in it, but OP’s kid was commanded to pull over and chose not to. He bought the ticket and took the ride. View Quote Believe it or not, there are states where it is illegal to make traffic stops in an unmarked vehicle. Calling to confirm is not unreasonable. It's a dangerous world, ask a cop. |
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Quoted: How about this: https://www.kulr8.com/news/police-impersonator-in-montana-and-wyoming-still-a-mystery/article_a3db38bd-2766-5faf-a737-43007c620457.html Sheriff McQuillan said if you get pulled over by a law enforcement officer, turn on your emergency flashers and call 911. Dispatch can tell you if it's a legitimate officer. Or https://www.reporterherald.com/2020/03/31/police-impersonator-in-fort-collins-coronavirus/ The suspect is described as a white male, approximately 45 to 50 years old, 6 feet tall with an athletic build, the release said. The police believe that he may have stopped other vehicles as well, and are requesting anyone else who has been stopped in Fort Collins or who has information about the incident to call Detective Mike Harres at 970-221-6543. If drivers believe they have been stopped by someone who is not a legitimate officer, they should call 911, the release said. They can also turn their hazard lights on, and are encouraged to stop in a public, well-lit place and remain respectful but cautious of the suspect, the release said. View Quote But OP’s some didn’t put his flashers on, did he? |
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Expect to get the full meal deal when you don't pull over in a timely fashion.
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Quoted: This didn't happen the way he described. There is far more to the story that is being omitted. Sorry to be so blunt, but there it is. Read up on Montana's enhanced right to privacy. It sets a very high bar for a vehicle search. There has to be very well described particularized suspicion before the dog can even do a sniff. Unless permission is given, NO vehicle search is going to happen without a warrant. The dog alert is only part of the probable cause cited to apply for the warrant. As far as license plate readers... illegal for state or local agencies to install, maintain or use. Again, enhanced right to privacy. View Quote |
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My son just pulled into Big Sky, 3 hours late and a $150 traffic ticket lighter but he learned a couple of tough lessons today.
I'll get more details tomorrow, if anything noteworthy comes up I'll post it. |
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Quoted: Umm, no. That's what YOU'RE arguing for some reason. Most other people in this thread are talking about something completely different. You're like a Jack Russell on the one thing you can blame the kid for though. View Quote That one thing is the only thing that matters to the cop pulling him over. He is being ordered to pull over, and he is not stopping. It’s not optional. Part of the reason we have the problems in society that we do with police interactions is that we have several generations of people who have never been told to do something by someone who means it and has the ability to back it up until they come across a cop doing his job. |
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I would have probably pulled over because I am stupid
but in this particular case my stupid ass probably would have saved 2:30 hours of bullshit you could probably spot a derelict when they get out of the car in the side mirror unless they are full costume judgement call I guess - doubt i could spot a “unmarked cruiser” behind me - would just see lights and hear sirens |
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Quoted: Compared to the millions of times a day people are pulled over in this country, especially after doing something that might warrant a stop? Please, you’re pissing down my back and telling me it’s raining. I have no problem calling a cop out when they step in it, but OP’s kid was commanded to pull over and chose not to. He bought the ticket and took the ride. View Quote Commanded by someone in an unmarked car whose identity he could not immediately ascertain. You're pissed because he didn't just risk it and pull over for the random unmarked car? Maybe if cops want people to immediately pull over they should drive actual fucking cop cars. Cop was inconvenienced. And for a reason that was of his own making. Kid did the prudent thing and checked to see if it was actually a cop. |
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Quoted: I'm sure your son is a Cop Hater now...with good reason. View Quote Why would he be a cop hater now? Why is it so hard to understand that cops are people just like everyone else? There are bad cops and good cops, so I don't understand why we don't judge people on their actions and not their job. Guess I'm a boot licker, lol. |
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Quoted: That one thing is the only thing that matters to the cop pulling him over. He is being ordered to pull over, and he is not stopping. It’s not optional. Part of the reason we have the problems in society that we do with police interactions is that we have several generations of people who have never been told to do something by someone who means it and has the ability to back it up until they come across a cop doing his job. View Quote Isn't the problem here the use of a unmarked vehicle for traffic enforcement? |
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Quoted: If they are not running, and call 911 to confirm it is the police and stop when it is confirmed, they get the same respect as those who do it in Montana. Miles and miles would seem to be an exaggeration. View Quote I would expect at least two miles, is that fair? 2 minutes at freeway speeds? |
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Quoted: But OP’s some didn’t put his flashers on, did he? View Quote Ooops, you are right. Should have just opened fire, kid deserved it for flouting authority in such a dangerous amd egregious manner. Thank God he had registered all his braced pistols, right!?! You have become a caricature in this thread. |
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Quoted: Cops drive unmarked cars, teaching your kid to not pull over for them is a great way to have her get felony stopped with a bunch of nervous trigger fingers in her face. About 10 years ago, some snowflake 17 year old girl didn’t think she had to obey the cop that had her pulled over and when she tried to roll away with the cop in front of her she got shot and died. Being scared is not an antidote to the realities that other people in the world deal with. Emergency lights mean “pull over as soon as it is safely practicable”, not “pull over only if you feel safe”. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: The world is scary. That's why you teach people to not do dumb things like pull over for random vehicles just because they have flashing lights. Cops drive unmarked cars, teaching your kid to not pull over for them is a great way to have her get felony stopped with a bunch of nervous trigger fingers in her face. About 10 years ago, some snowflake 17 year old girl didn’t think she had to obey the cop that had her pulled over and when she tried to roll away with the cop in front of her she got shot and died. Being scared is not an antidote to the realities that other people in the world deal with. Emergency lights mean “pull over as soon as it is safely practicable”, not “pull over only if you feel safe”. And cops doing traffic stops in unmarked cars is just proof that they care more about their unscheduled tax assessments than they do about the life of a sixteen year old girl. |
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I used to be I back the Blue.
Then I saw who enforced the Covid lockdowns. Contact a lawyer |
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Quoted: Why does your special snowflake son think he’s important enough to call it in when he gets lit up by a cop car to “make sure”? Really? You don’t understand why a cop would be pissed that someone didn’t obey his command to pull over and stop? Of course they searched his fucking car, he acted like a damned criminal. View Quote So you're all about following the rules, but you break the COC by attacking Op's son? I see no problem with his son calling to make sure it's an actual officer behind him, and if the officer isn't professional enough to not get angry, he shouldn't be a cop. Now, personally, I'd pull over right away but have no problem if someone doesn't. I hope you're not a cop. |
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Quoted: Nope, nothing to do with LEO’s in my work. It doesn’t take a 4 year law student to know that making a cop follow you for miles while you call in your stop to make sure it’s really a cop and that you should pull over is a recipe for making the cop suspicious that you are doing something wrong. You don’t get that luxury.. View Quote Do you have an accurate time stamp on when the lights came on, the call to 911, and the verification and then pulling over? How fast were they going? How many miles would that be? Would dispatch confirm with him the vehicle stop or the cell call? You have to be trolling at this point. |
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Quoted: I would expect at least two miles, is that fair? 2 minutes at freeway speeds? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: If they are not running, and call 911 to confirm it is the police and stop when it is confirmed, they get the same respect as those who do it in Montana. Miles and miles would seem to be an exaggeration. I would expect at least two miles, is that fair? 2 minutes at freeway speeds? I don't think much verification would be able to take place in 2 minutes. |
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Quoted: That one thing is the only thing that matters to the cop pulling him over. He is being ordered to pull over, and he is not stopping. It’s not optional. Part of the reason we have the problems in society that we do with police interactions is that we have several generations of people who have never been told to do something by someone who means it and has the ability to back it up until they come across a cop doing his job. View Quote So you're telling me if I come up to you on the street and order you in a loud authoritative voice to get on the ground and kiss the asphalt, you'd going to do it immediately and without question? |
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Cop is a dick for giving a ticket in that scenario. He bet on drugs, wasted hours of their time, in the end found nothing they have legit story and reason to be there, I assume clean record he should have apologized for wasting their time and let them go.
Unless there is more to it, I thought they weren't allowed to make a traffic stop take that long. I'd be complaining. The ticket on top of that is just BS. |
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Quoted: I agree with you, but things are done differently in Montana or at least in parts of the state. For many parts of the state, it's like going back in time 30 years, just like parts of Idaho. Waiting for a female officer to show up could very well be legit, heck I've never seen a female officer around here. I'm sure your agency is different, and you've always seemed like a good officer to me, but not all officers are the same and you know that better than most. View Quote MT has stricter privacy and search provisions than most states |
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They really don’t like it when you dont pull over.
I don’t see how they can leave your shit all over the place like that. Making friends one at a time. |
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Quoted: Commanded by someone in an unmarked car whose identity he could not immediately ascertain. You're pissed because he didn't just risk it and pull over for the random unmarked car? Maybe if cops want people to immediately pull over they should drive actual fucking cop cars. Cop was inconvenienced. And for a reason that was of his own making. Kid did the prudent thing and checked to see if it was actually a cop. View Quote I’m not Pissed at anything. The kid fucked up and hopefully learned a lesson. |
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That specific cop seems to have behaved in a manner unbecoming of the superlative reputation of his brethren.
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