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Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:09:15 PM EST
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Did you give him the advice to not pullover?      ‘Cause that’s why it happened.

- not saying it’s right. But it’s reality.   He’s lucky that all he got.
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:09:47 PM EST
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I agree with you, but things are done differently in Montana or at least in parts of the state.

For many parts of the state, it's like going back in time 30 years, just like parts of Idaho. Waiting for a female officer to show up could very well be legit, heck I've never seen a female officer around here.

I'm sure your agency is different, and you've always seemed like a good officer to me, but not all officers are the same and you know that better than most.
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BS. Especially with any agency large enough to field unmarked vehicles.  Don't perpetuate this crap.
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:09:59 PM EST
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This is what we call a fishing expedition.  Tell your son the next time he thinks a car is following him exit and buy a snack at the next exit.
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This. BUT sometimes you just don't know if you're being followed. Especially if it's an unmarked car with a plain clothes driver in it. Hmmm. Wonder if that was even legal.
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:10:07 PM EST
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I'd like to but here's the thing.

In 3 months he has to travel back through there in the same vehicle. License plate readers being what they are, I don't want to risk this getting out on the internet.
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No offense op, but that's pretty retarded.

They don't have time for BS like that, and nothing like that would ever happen.
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:11:24 PM EST
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Cops drive unmarked cars, teaching your kid to not pull over for them is a great way to have her get felony stopped with a bunch of nervous trigger fingers in her face.

About 10 years ago, some snowflake 17 year old girl didn’t think she had to obey the cop that had her pulled over and when she tried to roll away with the cop in front of her she got shot and died.

Being scared is not an antidote to the realities that other people in the world deal with. Emergency lights mean “pull over as soon as it is safely practicable”, not “pull over only if you feel safe”.
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A cop smoked a 17yo girl? what did she do to warrant that?
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:12:06 PM EST
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No offense op, but that's pretty retarded.

They don't have time for BS like that, and nothing like that would ever happen.
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Assuming the story is correct, they had almost half a shift of time to waste.
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:12:09 PM EST
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Followed him for 30 miles?
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:13:23 PM EST
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Maybe he should have driven a little smarter, and then pulled over when he got lit up immediately after doing something that he should not have.  Probably would have worked out a little different, as in not cuffed and stuffed, etc.  Sounds like someone thought he was playing games, so they decided to play games back, wasting everyone’s time.  

That being said…that is a ridiculously long time to be on a stop for nothing being found.  Drug corridor or not, big deal, most interstates have plenty of drugs moving back and forth.  Not much of a reason for randomly searching vehicles, since you know, regular folks also use the freeways…
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The police should be above playing games. If they have that kind of attitude they're in the wrong profession.
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:13:31 PM EST
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A cop smoked a 17yo girl? what did she do to warrant that?
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Sounds like the one where he ran and jumped on the hood and then shot her.
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:14:03 PM EST
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Nope, nothing to do with LEO’s in my work. It doesn’t take a 4 year law student to know that making a cop follow you for miles while you call in your stop to make sure it’s really a cop and that you should pull over is a recipe for making the cop suspicious that you are doing something wrong. You don’t get that luxury..
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So in your mind, that justifies harassing and searching the kids for 3 hours?   You must work for an enlightened agency.



Nope, nothing to do with LEO’s in my work. It doesn’t take a 4 year law student to know that making a cop follow you for miles while you call in your stop to make sure it’s really a cop and that you should pull over is a recipe for making the cop suspicious that you are doing something wrong. You don’t get that luxury..


Why would a cop pulling someone over in an unmarked vehicle not expect that?
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:14:15 PM EST
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Nope, nothing to do with LEO’s in my work. It doesn’t take a 4 year law student to know that making a cop follow you for miles while you call in your stop to make sure it’s really a cop and that you should pull over is a recipe for making the cop suspicious that you are doing something wrong. You don’t get that luxury..
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Law school for normal people is 3 years.  There are no 4-L students unless they fuck up.  Your whole line of reasoning is retardo.
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:14:49 PM EST
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This. BUT sometimes you just don't know if you're being followed. Especially if it's an unmarked car with a plain clothes driver in it. Hmmm. Wonder if that was even legal.
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No, this is a half story.  And legal?  Red and Blues?  Yeah, legal.  Doesn't matter what the officer is wearing.  I can tell you this though, no unmarked is doing a traffic stop with a dog and getting a sniff without a whole lot more going on.
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:16:16 PM EST
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Why does your special snowflake son think he's important enough to call it in when he gets lit up by a cop car to "make sure"?

Really? You don't understand why a cop would be pissed that someone didn't obey his command to pull over and stop? Of course they searched his fucking car, he acted like a damned criminal.
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This guy is so much on the side of the harassing cop, I have to wonder if he's the cop in the OP story.
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:16:50 PM EST
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Just like the story in the op, you’re not getting the entire story. At least the op admits that, good for him. It amazes me sometimes how some threads take off like this and others don’t, the mouth breathers seem to be the common denominator.
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:16:52 PM EST
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Did you give him the advice to not pullover?      ‘Cause that’s why it happened.

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I wouldn't pull over for an unmarked car without verifying its an actual policeman, either.


Pull over immediately?  Whoops, its a car jacker.  Sorry you guessed wrong.   You're dead now.
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:17:00 PM EST
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Compared to the millions of times a day people are pulled over in this country, especially after doing something that might warrant a stop?

Please, you’re pissing down my back and telling me it’s raining. I have no problem calling a cop out when they step in it, but OP’s kid was commanded to pull over and chose not to. He bought the ticket and took the ride.
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Believe it or not, there are states where it is illegal to make traffic stops in an unmarked vehicle. Calling to confirm is not unreasonable. It's a dangerous world, ask a cop.
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:17:48 PM EST
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How about this:

https://www.kulr8.com/news/police-impersonator-in-montana-and-wyoming-still-a-mystery/article_a3db38bd-2766-5faf-a737-43007c620457.html

Sheriff McQuillan said if you get pulled over by a law enforcement officer, turn on your emergency flashers and call 911. Dispatch can tell you if it's a legitimate officer.

Or

https://www.reporterherald.com/2020/03/31/police-impersonator-in-fort-collins-coronavirus/

The suspect is described as a white male, approximately 45 to 50 years old, 6 feet tall with an athletic build, the release said. The police believe that he may have stopped other vehicles as well, and are requesting anyone else who has been stopped in Fort Collins or who has information about the incident to call Detective Mike Harres at 970-221-6543.

If drivers believe they have been stopped by someone who is not a legitimate officer, they should call 911, the release said. They can also turn their hazard lights on, and are encouraged to stop in a public, well-lit place and remain respectful but cautious of the suspect, the release said.
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But OP’s some didn’t put his flashers on, did he?
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:18:06 PM EST
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Expect to get the full meal deal when you don't pull over in a timely fashion.
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:19:17 PM EST
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Road pirates gonna pirate.
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:19:56 PM EST
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This didn't happen the way he described.  There is far more to the story that is being omitted.  Sorry to be so blunt, but there it is.  Read up on Montana's enhanced right to privacy.  It sets a very high bar for a vehicle search.  There has to be very well described particularized suspicion before the dog can even do a sniff.  Unless permission is given, NO vehicle search is going to happen without a warrant.  The dog alert is only part of the probable cause cited to apply for the warrant.  As far as license plate readers... illegal for state or local agencies to install, maintain or use. Again, enhanced right to privacy.
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If this is the case, and all or most of OP/kid's story is true, OP DEFINITELY needs to talk to a lawyer.
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:20:05 PM EST
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Why would a cop in an unmarked vehicle do that to someone verifying their legitimacy first?

Is there something wrong with them?
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:20:48 PM EST
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My son just pulled into Big Sky, 3 hours late and a $150 traffic ticket lighter but he learned a couple of tough lessons today.

I'll get more details tomorrow, if anything noteworthy comes up I'll post it.

Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:20:52 PM EST
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Umm, no. That's what YOU'RE arguing for some reason. Most other people in this thread are talking about something completely different. You're like a Jack Russell on the one thing you can blame the kid for though.
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That one thing is the only thing that matters to the cop pulling him over. He is being ordered to pull over, and he is not stopping. It’s not optional.

Part of the reason we have the problems in society that we do with police interactions is that we have several generations of people who have never been told to do something by someone who means it and has the ability to back it up until they come across a cop doing his job.
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:20:55 PM EST
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I would have probably pulled over because I am stupid

but in this particular case my stupid ass probably would have saved 2:30 hours of bullshit

you could  probably spot a derelict when they get out of the car in the side mirror unless they are full costume

judgement call I guess  - doubt i could spot a “unmarked cruiser” behind me  - would just see lights and hear sirens
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:21:40 PM EST
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Compared to the millions of times a day people are pulled over in this country, especially after doing something that might warrant a stop?

Please, you’re pissing down my back and telling me it’s raining. I have no problem calling a cop out when they step in it, but OP’s kid was commanded to pull over and chose not to. He bought the ticket and took the ride.
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Commanded by someone in an unmarked car whose identity he could not immediately ascertain.

You're pissed because he didn't just risk it and pull over for the random unmarked car?   Maybe if cops want people to immediately pull over they should drive actual fucking cop cars.

Cop was inconvenienced.  And for a reason that was of his own making.   Kid did the prudent thing and checked to see if it was actually a cop.
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:21:58 PM EST
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The ticket was for 10 over.
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That doesn’t mean anything. A lot of cops cut back the actual speed to 10 over.
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:21:59 PM EST
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I'm sure your son is a Cop Hater now...with good reason.
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Why would he be a cop hater now?

Why is it so hard to understand that cops are people just like everyone else? There are bad cops and good cops, so I don't understand why we don't judge people on their actions and not their job.

Guess I'm a boot licker, lol.
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:22:14 PM EST
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That one thing is the only thing that matters to the cop pulling him over. He is being ordered to pull over, and he is not stopping. It’s not optional.

Part of the reason we have the problems in society that we do with police interactions is that we have several generations of people who have never been told to do something by someone who means it and has the ability to back it up until they come across a cop doing his job.
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Isn't the problem here the use of a unmarked vehicle for traffic enforcement?
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:22:18 PM EST
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If they are not running, and call 911 to confirm it is the police and stop when it is confirmed, they get the same respect as those who do it in Montana. Miles and miles would seem to be an exaggeration.
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I would expect at least two miles, is that fair? 2 minutes at freeway speeds?
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:22:30 PM EST
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But OP’s some didn’t put his flashers on, did he?
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Ooops, you are right.  Should have just opened fire, kid deserved it for flouting authority in such a dangerous amd egregious manner.

Thank God he had registered all his braced pistols, right!?!

You have become a caricature in this thread.
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:22:42 PM EST
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Why would a cop in an unmarked vehicle do that to someone verifying their legitimacy first?

Is there something wrong with them?
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Expect to get the full meal deal when you don't pull over in a timely fashion.


Why would a cop in an unmarked vehicle do that to someone verifying their legitimacy first?

Is there something wrong with them?

Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:22:58 PM EST
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I did not.

His girlfriends dad taught her that and she told him to call 911 when they got lit up.
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:23:22 PM EST
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Cops drive unmarked cars, teaching your kid to not pull over for them is a great way to have her get felony stopped with a bunch of nervous trigger fingers in her face.

About 10 years ago, some snowflake 17 year old girl didn’t think she had to obey the cop that had her pulled over and when she tried to roll away with the cop in front of her she got shot and died.

Being scared is not an antidote to the realities that other people in the world deal with. Emergency lights mean “pull over as soon as it is safely practicable”, not “pull over only if you feel safe”.
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The world is scary. That's why you teach people to not do dumb things like pull over for random vehicles just because they have flashing lights.


Cops drive unmarked cars, teaching your kid to not pull over for them is a great way to have her get felony stopped with a bunch of nervous trigger fingers in her face.

About 10 years ago, some snowflake 17 year old girl didn’t think she had to obey the cop that had her pulled over and when she tried to roll away with the cop in front of her she got shot and died.

Being scared is not an antidote to the realities that other people in the world deal with. Emergency lights mean “pull over as soon as it is safely practicable”, not “pull over only if you feel safe”.

And cops doing traffic stops in unmarked cars is just proof that they care more about their unscheduled tax assessments than they do about the life of a sixteen year old girl.
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:23:38 PM EST
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If this is the case, and all or most of OP/kid's story is true, OP DEFINITELY needs to talk to a lawyer.
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Agreed.  That's why I can bet, with pretty good confidence, it did not go down that way.
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:23:55 PM EST
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Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:24:08 PM EST
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A cop smoked a 17yo girl? what did she do to warrant that?
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Tried pulling away with a cop in front of her bumper..
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:24:52 PM EST
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I used to be I back the Blue.

Then I saw who enforced the Covid lockdowns.

Contact a lawyer
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Why does your special snowflake son think he’s important enough to call it in when he gets lit up by a cop car to “make sure”?

Really? You don’t understand why a cop would be pissed that someone didn’t obey his command to pull over and stop? Of course they searched his fucking car, he acted like a damned criminal.
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So you're all about following the rules, but you break the COC by attacking Op's son?

I see no problem with his son calling to make sure it's an actual officer behind him, and if the officer isn't professional enough to not get angry, he shouldn't be a cop.

Now, personally, I'd pull over right away but have no problem if someone doesn't.

I hope you're not a cop.
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Nope, nothing to do with LEO’s in my work. It doesn’t take a 4 year law student to know that making a cop follow you for miles while you call in your stop to make sure it’s really a cop and that you should pull over is a recipe for making the cop suspicious that you are doing something wrong. You don’t get that luxury..
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Do you have an accurate time stamp on when the lights came on, the call to 911, and the verification and then pulling over? How fast were they going? How many miles would that be? Would dispatch confirm with him the vehicle stop or the cell call?
You have to be trolling at this point.  
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I would expect at least two miles, is that fair? 2 minutes at freeway speeds?
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If they are not running, and call 911 to confirm it is the police and stop when it is confirmed, they get the same respect as those who do it in Montana. Miles and miles would seem to be an exaggeration.


I would expect at least two miles, is that fair? 2 minutes at freeway speeds?


I don't think much verification would be able to take place in 2 minutes.
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:26:07 PM EST
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Why would a cop pulling someone over in an unmarked vehicle not expect that?
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So you are saying that everyone a cop pulls over in an unmarked car can reasonably be expected to call it in before stopping?


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That one thing is the only thing that matters to the cop pulling him over. He is being ordered to pull over, and he is not stopping. It’s not optional.

Part of the reason we have the problems in society that we do with police interactions is that we have several generations of people who have never been told to do something by someone who means it and has the ability to back it up until they come across a cop doing his job.
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So you're telling me if I come up to you on the street and order you in a loud authoritative voice to get on the ground and kiss the asphalt, you'd going to do it immediately and without question?
Link Posted: 5/30/2023 10:26:59 PM EST
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Cop is a dick for giving a ticket in that scenario. He bet on drugs, wasted hours of their time, in the end found nothing they have legit story and reason to be there, I assume clean record he should have apologized for wasting their time and let them go.

Unless there is more to it, I thought they weren't allowed to make a traffic stop take that long.

I'd be complaining. The ticket on top of that is just BS.
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ya i caught that too, and when OP said he was a local cop, it didnt make any sense. state cops dont even follow a car for 30 miles let alone a local cop travelling out of his jurisdiction
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So you are saying that everyone a cop pulls over in an unmarked car can reasonably be expected to call it in before stopping?


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Only the ones who don't feel like betting their life on the outcome of just guessing.
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I agree with you, but things are done differently in Montana or at least in parts of the state.

For many parts of the state, it's like going back in time 30 years, just like parts of Idaho. Waiting for a female officer to show up could very well be legit, heck I've never seen a female officer around here.

I'm sure your agency is different, and you've always seemed like a good officer to me, but not all officers are the same and you know that better than most.
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MT has stricter privacy and search provisions than most states

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They really don’t like it when you dont pull over.

I don’t see how they can leave your shit all over the place like that.

Making friends one at a time.
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Commanded by someone in an unmarked car whose identity he could not immediately ascertain.

You're pissed because he didn't just risk it and pull over for the random unmarked car?   Maybe if cops want people to immediately pull over they should drive actual fucking cop cars.

Cop was inconvenienced.  And for a reason that was of his own making.   Kid did the prudent thing and checked to see if it was actually a cop.
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I’m not Pissed at anything. The kid fucked up and hopefully learned a lesson.
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But OP's some didn't put his flashers on, did he?
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I didn't ask him but I doubt he did.
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That specific cop seems to have behaved in a manner unbecoming of the superlative reputation of his brethren.
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