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Posted: 12/28/2022 8:41:57 PM EDT
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In 1957 my dad was in the NG and was sent to Little Rock AR to protect the Little Rock Nine when they were integrating Central High School.
He was scared to death. He lamented that they issued them M1 Garands with bayonets attached with NO ammo. He hated that because he was scared someone would shoot at them and they couldn't shoot back. In 2020, I realized how effective bayonets would be for rioters. These police lines that keep getting shoved and pushed back wouldn't get done that way if they had bayos on their rifles. The rioters would stab themselves. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 8:54:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What constitutes a "lawful order"? Something not illegal immoral or unethical. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 8:55:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Absolutely. They were there defending the theft of an election, I’ve got no use for them. Now we have one bragging about it. What did you do about it? |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 8:57:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What he did with his army is his business, and didn’t affect me in any way. I’m American. You can continue with your bullshit strawman debate by yourself. That’s rich. Oh that’s rich. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 8:59:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP made this thread to stir shit and he has continued to stir shit in it. It is the literal definition of trolling. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/300897/Screenshot_20221227_170907_Chrome_jpg-2650960.JPG I’m not seeing OP stirring shit. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 9:12:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Listen man you're entitled to your opinion and I appreciate the eternal judgement cause you and Christ are so tight and all.... ....buuuuttt..... You REALLY think Christ wanted more disciples to serve corrupt governments instead of ministering to the weak and infirm? You really think that because I encourage non violent resistance and not feeding the MIC I am shirking my duties??? You are either Mormon or you've never read the Bible cover to cover. You actively encourage the downfall of the military and the government by encouraging good men and women to not join, or serve. You aren’t encouraging and never have encouraged non violent resistance. You encourage good men and women to not join the military or serve in government. You actively serve to discourage and abandon good people. Yes you are shirking your duties. P.s. I have read the Bible cover to cover. What scripture tells us to abandon our governments to evil, to avoid service because people w don’t like are in it? |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 9:19:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Something not illegal immoral or unethical. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What constitutes a "lawful order"? Something not illegal immoral or unethical. I would think its something thats inline with the constitution. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 9:26:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sometimes GD just needs a big ol’ group hug and an evening of making s’mores around the campfire together  Urban dictionary taught me the right phrase for this |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 9:30:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember the media reporting NG members' social media was being gone through to find people deemed not adequately loyal or something and removing them. Did you hear anything about that or know anyone it happened to? If they go through my social media I’m going to Leavenworth. I have no problems calling biden an implanted president. Nobody ever questioned me, checked my social media, or anything. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 9:31:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You’re also missing out on the free reassignment surgeries and hormone therapy too nowadays it seems. Join up for the free ammo, cool stylish clothes with patches, and a vagina. Be all you can be and some. I get free vacations and all the MREs I can stomach. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 9:34:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. A self described “conservative” proudly posted pics of loaded mags meant for American citizens. That’s all I’ll say. Lol Americans load magazines everyday to use on other American citizens. You guys are treating this dude like he's a traitor and its retarded. He could have just posted a picture of the mag they issued him like holy shit look thetre really giving us ammo for this stupid shit. No instead you try to act like he's seething to shoot up some "insurectionists" when he said nothing of the sort. Obviously it would have been in better taste to not post but it's not like he was saying he was hoping to mow down trump supporters. The entire "insurrection" is fucking stupid theater (as we all know) and you guys are reacting to this post just as dramatically as liberals reacted to the visitors between the velvet ropes on jan 6 |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 10:20:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't change your post in the quote.  Anyway, I'm out. OP got what he wanted. Have you complained about base guards shooting Americans? They also go to work everyday with loaded magazines  Shooting in South Carolina |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 10:21:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OMG, what? What can I do for you? Log off. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 10:22:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sweet. K1? Ukrainian by chance? Regular ol’ north texas high school. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 10:32:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You actively encourage the downfall of the military and the government by encouraging good men and women to not join, or serve. You aren’t encouraging and never have encouraged non violent resistance. You encourage good men and women to not join the military or serve in government. You actively serve to discourage and abandon good people. Yes you are shirking your duties. P.s. I have read the Bible cover to cover. What scripture tells us to abandon our governments to evil, to avoid service because people w don’t like are in it? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Listen man you're entitled to your opinion and I appreciate the eternal judgement cause you and Christ are so tight and all.... ....buuuuttt..... You REALLY think Christ wanted more disciples to serve corrupt governments instead of ministering to the weak and infirm? You really think that because I encourage non violent resistance and not feeding the MIC I am shirking my duties??? You are either Mormon or you've never read the Bible cover to cover. You actively encourage the downfall of the military and the government by encouraging good men and women to not join, or serve. You aren’t encouraging and never have encouraged non violent resistance. You encourage good men and women to not join the military or serve in government. You actively serve to discourage and abandon good people. Yes you are shirking your duties. P.s. I have read the Bible cover to cover. What scripture tells us to abandon our governments to evil, to avoid service because people w don’t like are in it? I encourage good people to serve in ways that make a difference. Taking orders from the Uniparty is not going to restore our country. Are you a boomer? Just can't accept that the USA of today isn't what it used to be? Think that lasing goat herders with cell phones in their hands so the MIC can make another 1M is a good thing? Go back and read my posts and you'll see that I talk about serving in your local community regularly. And yes the Bible is full of references describing that master to choose. You are conflating national service in ANY capacity to service to God and you would be absolutely dead wrong. I served and I continue to serve but as any good intelligent son of God I adapt to the information I'm given. The government of the US is evil and is actively attempting to destroy the constitution. Serve if you like. And as I have pointed out to many others--your side is in power and you're getting all the wars you want. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 10:33:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Log off. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: OMG, what? What can I do for you? Log off. Lol after calling him into this thread. I take It back you're not a good guy at all. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 11:13:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol after calling him into this thread. I take It back you're not a good guy at all. Spartan, huh. Interesting name choice. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 11:20:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Spartan, huh. Interesting name choice. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lol after calling him into this thread. I take It back you're not a good guy at all. Spartan, huh. Interesting name choice. Thanks you too |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 11:29:58 PM EDT
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There were members of the Guard in positions of authority preventing illegal and un-authorized acts acting during that mission. The Capitol Police threatened the VA ARNG members with ARREST if they responded to that mission simply because (some of) those (9-12, iirc) members of that unit displayed a VA state issued Gadsden license plate on their vehicles while parked at VA ARNG armories.
That information is public record and can be found in Defense Department / NGB briefings. Multi domain warfare is more than just a simple "fuck you". |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 11:41:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There were members of the Guard in positions of authority preventing illegal and un-authorized acts acting during that mission. The Capitol Police threatened the VA ARNG members with ARREST if they responded to that mission simply because (some of) those (9-12, iirc) members of that unit displayed a VA state issued Gadsden license plate on their vehicles while parked at VA ARNG armories. That information is public record and can be found in Defense Department / NGB briefings. Multi domain warfare is more than just a simple "fuck you". But you have to have the stones to say fuck you. Most don't. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 11:43:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Something not illegal immoral or unethical. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What constitutes a "lawful order"? Something not illegal immoral or unethical. Who decides that? |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 11:47:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We would argue about which brand of marshmallows.
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Posted: 12/28/2022 11:48:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who decides that? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What constitutes a "lawful order"? Something not illegal immoral or unethical. Who decides that?  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 11:48:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But you have to have the stones to say fuck you. Most don't. Yeah, but I'm largely irrelevant. In spite of being a CW5 at a two-star command and telling this shit to a two-star last month, I remain irrelevant. They don't want to hear it. Any of it. Vaxxes, woke shit, any of it. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 11:50:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Smores suck, only commies eat smores Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We would argue about which brand of marshmallows. How about 5 peeps then a half mile jog? |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 11:56:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, but I'm largely irrelevant. In spite of being a CW5 at a two-star command and telling this shit to a two-star last month, I remain irrelevant. They don't want to hear it. Any of it. Vaxxes, woke shit, any of it. As I've put it, no one above O-7 can acknowledge it, no one below O-6 can say it. IOW, the Army has no clue, absolutely zero of why no one wants to join. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 11:58:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As I've put it, no one above O-7 can acknowledge it, no one below O-6 can say it. IOW, the Army has no clue, absolutely zero of why no one wants to join. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yeah, but I'm largely irrelevant. In spite of being a CW5 at a two-star command and telling this shit to a two-star last month, I remain irrelevant. They don't want to hear it. Any of it. Vaxxes, woke shit, any of it. As I've put it, no one above O-7 can acknowledge it, no one below O-6 can say it. IOW, the Army has no clue, absolutely zero of why no one wants to join. Well said. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 12:00:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You actively encourage the downfall of the military and the government by encouraging good men and women to not join, or serve. You aren't encouraging and never have encouraged non violent resistance. You encourage good men and women to not join the military or serve in government. You actively serve to discourage and abandon good people. Yes you are shirking your duties. P.s. I have read the Bible cover to cover. What scripture tells us to abandon our governments to evil, to avoid service because people w don't like are in it? surrendered the public education system to the left surrendered the entertainment industry to the left surrendered professional sports to the left surrendered social media to the left surrendered corporate America to the left why wouldn't they surrender the military? |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 12:08:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Something not illegal immoral or unethical. So when guns are banned, and confiscation comes it's all good. Clearly such command would not be illegal, immoral, or unethical. It would be the law of the land. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 12:10:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The enlightened rights lack of participation is what surrendered the public education system to the left surrendered the entertainment industry to the left surrendered professional sports to the left surrendered social media to the left surrendered corporate America to the left why wouldn't they surrender the military? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You actively encourage the downfall of the military and the government by encouraging good men and women to not join, or serve. You aren't encouraging and never have encouraged non violent resistance. You encourage good men and women to not join the military or serve in government. You actively serve to discourage and abandon good people. Yes you are shirking your duties. P.s. I have read the Bible cover to cover. What scripture tells us to abandon our governments to evil, to avoid service because people w don't like are in it? surrendered the public education system to the left surrendered the entertainment industry to the left surrendered professional sports to the left surrendered social media to the left surrendered corporate America to the left why wouldn't they surrender the military? This is absolutely false. It was not the lack of participation in these areas. It was the lack of action. The quiet allowance for all things left even when they were there and saw it. The refusal to say--that is wrong I won't be a part of it. For a generation the right quietly allowed more and more leftist control because they were accepting amd needed to be the peacemaker. They didn't insist. The left did insist. Participate all you want. But when you're told to lock and load on Americans you have to be Willing to say Fuck You. Clearly most in this thread think that they will be able keep their career and just let the left take its little nibbles, but since they won't have to do something too egregious they will just go along with it. They refuse to realize that by the time they need to do something it's too late--they should have done it already. Refusing to go along with the left is the most powerful act of resistance you can do and the Uniparty is seeing it now. Struggling recruiting is wonderful truly. Let them starve. Care for your children and serve your community do not fight for globalist Uniparty. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 12:25:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The enlightened rights lack of participation is what surrendered the public education system to the left surrendered the entertainment industry to the left surrendered professional sports to the left surrendered social media to the left surrendered corporate America to the left why wouldn't they surrender the military? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You actively encourage the downfall of the military and the government by encouraging good men and women to not join, or serve. You aren't encouraging and never have encouraged non violent resistance. You encourage good men and women to not join the military or serve in government. You actively serve to discourage and abandon good people. Yes you are shirking your duties. P.s. I have read the Bible cover to cover. What scripture tells us to abandon our governments to evil, to avoid service because people w don't like are in it? surrendered the public education system to the left surrendered the entertainment industry to the left surrendered professional sports to the left surrendered social media to the left surrendered corporate America to the left why wouldn't they surrender the military? Let me illustrate the above- Faded says he would shoot Americans, certainly if he was being shot at. Well I don't blame him there. But In my view the act of deploying against Americans is making war against Americans. If he refused to deploy he wouldn't get shot at and therefore wouldn't have to defend himself. It's unreasonable to hope that all the soldiers that deploy will close their eyes and shoot high. I don't want anyone to be injured I want those with courage to refuse orders that lead to escalation and have both sides blaming the other-- The real people to blame are part of the Uniparty. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 12:44:11 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Let me illustrate the above- Faded says he would shoot Americans, certainly if he was being shot at. Well I don't blame him there. But In my view the act of deploying against Americans is making war against Americans. If he refused to deploy he wouldn't get shot at and therefore wouldn't have to defend himself. It's unreasonable to hope that all the soldiers that deploy will close their eyes and shoot high. I don't want anyone to be injured I want those with courage to refuse orders that lead to escalation and have both sides blaming the other-- The real people to blame are part of the Uniparty. Deploying to stand around and do nothing is "making war against Americans." lol, you're delusional. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 1:18:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, but I'm largely irrelevant. In spite of being a CW5 at a two-star command and telling this shit to a two-star last month, I remain irrelevant. They don't want to hear it. Any of it. Vaxxes, woke shit, any of it. @elcope You're a great American man. Lot of people responding here that didn't serve, or served 3 years from 1979 to 1982 (or whatever). Also a lot of the same people saying "you can't vote your way out of this"...well go try to pass an ACFT right now, today, and let me know how ready you are for the shooting to start. People would do a lot better to go to their city/county/state whatever meetings and ENGAGE productively, than spend another dollar on mags or ammo. There's a long list of CIVIC engagement, requiring years (maybe the rest of our natural lives) to fix the damage that has been done, and just adapt to current circumstances. Only the people who haven't smelled shit running in the streets, or trash burning, or that "unspecified" rotten meat smell, are so happy to see that happen here. It's not pretty and there will be no heroes in that scenario, least of all them. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 8:03:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Alternatively people can read about the Milgram experiments Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: People should pay attention to this thread. Alternatively people can read about the Milgram experiments https://www.psypost.org/2019/11/unpublished-data-from-stanley-milgrams-experiments-casts-doubts-on-his-claims-about-obedience-54921 https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/why-almost-everything-you-know-about-milgram-wrong |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 8:29:42 AM EDT
[#36]
When the BLM/ANTIFA filth were doing actual destruction to DC for two weeks the police were basically told to stand down. The Democrat leaders refused to call in the NG. Significant destruction took place. The Democrats running the city were in solidarity with the BLM/ANTIFA assholes.
However, they sent in thousands of NG troops with live ammo because they thought there may be protest against a stolen election? |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 8:32:10 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Deploying to stand around and do nothing is "making war against Americans." lol, you're delusional. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Let me illustrate the above- Faded says he would shoot Americans, certainly if he was being shot at. Well I don't blame him there. But In my view the act of deploying against Americans is making war against Americans. If he refused to deploy he wouldn't get shot at and therefore wouldn't have to defend himself. It's unreasonable to hope that all the soldiers that deploy will close their eyes and shoot high. I don't want anyone to be injured I want those with courage to refuse orders that lead to escalation and have both sides blaming the other-- The real people to blame are part of the Uniparty. Deploying to stand around and do nothing is "making war against Americans." lol, you're delusional. At what point would you say no? When you are called to respond to the situation? When you are issued your ammo? When you are told there is a group of insurrectionist walked down main street? When you are standing in front of an angry mob getting rocks thrown at you? When you are being pushed and shoved? When do you say no? |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 8:36:03 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At what point would you say no? When you are called to respond to the situation? When you are issued your ammo? When you are told there is a group of insurrectionist walked down main street? When you are standing in front of an angry mob getting rocks thrown at you? When you are being pushed and shoved? When do you say no? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Let me illustrate the above- Faded says he would shoot Americans, certainly if he was being shot at. Well I don't blame him there. But In my view the act of deploying against Americans is making war against Americans. If he refused to deploy he wouldn't get shot at and therefore wouldn't have to defend himself. It's unreasonable to hope that all the soldiers that deploy will close their eyes and shoot high. I don't want anyone to be injured I want those with courage to refuse orders that lead to escalation and have both sides blaming the other-- The real people to blame are part of the Uniparty. Deploying to stand around and do nothing is "making war against Americans." lol, you're delusional. At what point would you say no? When you are called to respond to the situation? When you are issued your ammo? When you are told there is a group of insurrectionist walked down main street? When you are standing in front of an angry mob getting rocks thrown at you? When you are being pushed and shoved? When do you say no? And what did you do in Iraq? You were a 2lt and ‘in charge’. Fighting a war on behalf of globalists and big oil. Did you stand up and say no? Or did you go balls deep on the hostile fire pay and tax free income?  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 8:47:38 AM EDT
[#39]
@fadedsun
Thank you for the first-hand information about J6. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 8:50:47 AM EDT
[#40]
Nothing constructive to add, but the group photo on the stairs looks like a dick.
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Posted: 12/29/2022 8:59:30 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing constructive to add, but the group photo on the stairs looks like a dick. Dammit! You made me go back and look. It does!  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 9:05:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And what did you do in Iraq? You were a 2lt and ‘in charge’. Fighting a war on behalf of globalists and big oil. Did you stand up and say no? Or did you go balls deep on the hostile fire pay and tax free income? /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/thatwasdifferent-667.gif Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Let me illustrate the above- Faded says he would shoot Americans, certainly if he was being shot at. Well I don't blame him there. But In my view the act of deploying against Americans is making war against Americans. If he refused to deploy he wouldn't get shot at and therefore wouldn't have to defend himself. It's unreasonable to hope that all the soldiers that deploy will close their eyes and shoot high. I don't want anyone to be injured I want those with courage to refuse orders that lead to escalation and have both sides blaming the other-- The real people to blame are part of the Uniparty. Deploying to stand around and do nothing is "making war against Americans." lol, you're delusional. At what point would you say no? When you are called to respond to the situation? When you are issued your ammo? When you are told there is a group of insurrectionist walked down main street? When you are standing in front of an angry mob getting rocks thrown at you? When you are being pushed and shoved? When do you say no? And what did you do in Iraq? You were a 2lt and ‘in charge’. Fighting a war on behalf of globalists and big oil. Did you stand up and say no? Or did you go balls deep on the hostile fire pay and tax free income? /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/thatwasdifferent-667.gif Maybe he learned from his mistakes… unlike some others on here  |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 9:08:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Deploying to stand around and do nothing is "making war against Americans." lol, you're delusional. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Let me illustrate the above- Faded says he would shoot Americans, certainly if he was being shot at. Well I don't blame him there. But In my view the act of deploying against Americans is making war against Americans. If he refused to deploy he wouldn't get shot at and therefore wouldn't have to defend himself. It's unreasonable to hope that all the soldiers that deploy will close their eyes and shoot high. I don't want anyone to be injured I want those with courage to refuse orders that lead to escalation and have both sides blaming the other-- The real people to blame are part of the Uniparty. Deploying to stand around and do nothing is "making war against Americans." lol, you're delusional. Honestly glad nothing happened. Hypothetically speaking, what would have happened if these guardsmen and women were there when the protestors were actually there? Would the guardsmen have done nothing? |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 9:13:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And what did you do in Iraq? You were a 2lt and ‘in charge’. Fighting a war on behalf of globalists and big oil. Did you stand up and say no? Or did you go balls deep on the hostile fire pay and tax free income? /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/thatwasdifferent-667.gif Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Let me illustrate the above- Faded says he would shoot Americans, certainly if he was being shot at. Well I don't blame him there. But In my view the act of deploying against Americans is making war against Americans. If he refused to deploy he wouldn't get shot at and therefore wouldn't have to defend himself. It's unreasonable to hope that all the soldiers that deploy will close their eyes and shoot high. I don't want anyone to be injured I want those with courage to refuse orders that lead to escalation and have both sides blaming the other-- The real people to blame are part of the Uniparty. Deploying to stand around and do nothing is "making war against Americans." lol, you're delusional. At what point would you say no? When you are called to respond to the situation? When you are issued your ammo? When you are told there is a group of insurrectionist walked down main street? When you are standing in front of an angry mob getting rocks thrown at you? When you are being pushed and shoved? When do you say no? And what did you do in Iraq? You were a 2lt and ‘in charge’. Fighting a war on behalf of globalists and big oil. Did you stand up and say no? Or did you go balls deep on the hostile fire pay and tax free income? /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/thatwasdifferent-667.gif Actually it wasn't different at all. And I was damn good at my job too. I bought into the idea that I was fighting them over there so I wouldn't be fighting them over here. Years later I was asked to do somethings that really made me step back and say WTF am I doing. I realized what way the wind was blowing, realized I had been wrong. I got out. 12 years active 14 total years of service. When I dropped my papers and walked back to my office I was called 3 times by my BDE commander, my former BDE commander and the division CG. All asking me to reconsider. I know it's hard for people to accept but it was the best hardest thing I ever did. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 9:17:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You actively encourage the downfall of the military and the government by encouraging good men and women to not join, or serve. You aren’t encouraging and never have encouraged non violent resistance. You encourage good men and women to not join the military or serve in government. You actively serve to discourage and abandon good people. Yes you are shirking your duties. P.s. I have read the Bible cover to cover. What scripture tells us to abandon our governments to evil, to avoid service because people w don’t like are in it? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Listen man you're entitled to your opinion and I appreciate the eternal judgement cause you and Christ are so tight and all.... ....buuuuttt..... You REALLY think Christ wanted more disciples to serve corrupt governments instead of ministering to the weak and infirm? You really think that because I encourage non violent resistance and not feeding the MIC I am shirking my duties??? You are either Mormon or you've never read the Bible cover to cover. You actively encourage the downfall of the military and the government by encouraging good men and women to not join, or serve. You aren’t encouraging and never have encouraged non violent resistance. You encourage good men and women to not join the military or serve in government. You actively serve to discourage and abandon good people. Yes you are shirking your duties. P.s. I have read the Bible cover to cover. What scripture tells us to abandon our governments to evil, to avoid service because people w don’t like are in it? LULZ. Bible and Government doesn’t go together. Our government is an organism that only knows growth. There is only one way to stymie that growth. Honestly it’s refreshing to see young people not getting duped into fighting for profit wars. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 9:19:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually it wasn't different at all. And I was damn good at my job too. I bought into the idea that I was fighting them over there so I wouldn't be fighting them over here. Years later I was asked to do somethings that really made me step back and say WTF am I doing. I realized what way the wind was blowing, realized I had been wrong. I got out. 12 years active 14 total years of service. When I dropped my papers and walked back to my office I was called 3 times by my BDE commander, my former BDE commander and the division CG. All asking me to reconsider. I know it's hard for people to accept but it was the best hardest thing I ever did. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Let me illustrate the above- Faded says he would shoot Americans, certainly if he was being shot at. Well I don't blame him there. But In my view the act of deploying against Americans is making war against Americans. If he refused to deploy he wouldn't get shot at and therefore wouldn't have to defend himself. It's unreasonable to hope that all the soldiers that deploy will close their eyes and shoot high. I don't want anyone to be injured I want those with courage to refuse orders that lead to escalation and have both sides blaming the other-- The real people to blame are part of the Uniparty. Deploying to stand around and do nothing is "making war against Americans." lol, you're delusional. At what point would you say no? When you are called to respond to the situation? When you are issued your ammo? When you are told there is a group of insurrectionist walked down main street? When you are standing in front of an angry mob getting rocks thrown at you? When you are being pushed and shoved? When do you say no? And what did you do in Iraq? You were a 2lt and ‘in charge’. Fighting a war on behalf of globalists and big oil. Did you stand up and say no? Or did you go balls deep on the hostile fire pay and tax free income? /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/thatwasdifferent-667.gif Actually it wasn't different at all. And I was damn good at my job too. I bought into the idea that I was fighting them over there so I wouldn't be fighting them over here. Years later I was asked to do somethings that really made me step back and say WTF am I doing. I realized what way the wind was blowing, realized I had been wrong. I got out. 12 years active 14 total years of service. When I dropped my papers and walked back to my office I was called 3 times by my BDE commander, my former BDE commander and the division CG. All asking me to reconsider. I know it's hard for people to accept but it was the best hardest thing I ever did. Getting called by superiors to reconsider is standard When most officers resign. In addition to calls from 2 and 3 stars I also got offered some great assignments. Best decision i ever made as well - And some of the life lessons i learned in the Army were also priceless. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 9:23:56 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When the BLM/ANTIFA filth were doing actual destruction to DC for two weeks the police were basically told to stand down. The Democrat leaders refused to call in the NG. Significant destruction took place. The Democrats running the city were in solidarity with the BLM/ANTIFA assholes. However, they sent in thousands of NG troops with live ammo because they thought there may be protest against a stolen election? Let’s play hypotheticals here: Let’s say Trump won the 2020 election, and BLM/ANTIFA did their own incursion into DC, with the exact same outcome as the “real” J6 at the Capitol. Would you be as upset if the NG would have issued live ammo against those groups of American citizens? /rhetorical question |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 9:47:18 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Let’s play hypotheticals here: Let’s say Trump won the 2020 election, and BLM/ANTIFA did their own incursion into DC, with the exact same outcome as the “real” J6 at the Capitol. Would you be as upset if the NG would have issued live ammo against those groups of American citizens? /rhetorical question Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When the BLM/ANTIFA filth were doing actual destruction to DC for two weeks the police were basically told to stand down. The Democrat leaders refused to call in the NG. Significant destruction took place. The Democrats running the city were in solidarity with the BLM/ANTIFA assholes. However, they sent in thousands of NG troops with live ammo because they thought there may be protest against a stolen election? Let’s play hypotheticals here: Let’s say Trump won the 2020 election, and BLM/ANTIFA did their own incursion into DC, with the exact same outcome as the “real” J6 at the Capitol. Would you be as upset if the NG would have issued live ammo against those groups of American citizens? /rhetorical question Why not use the examples of when they did do something similar and worse? Were they called out and given live ammo? But lets remember, the Fed's/ deep state planned Jan 6th to turn out how it did, they incited a riot. Turned a protest into an "insurrection", to prevent congress from discussing the voter fraud, and to turn the tables to use the force of government to hunt patriots and suppress free speech and exercise of the right to assemble. Why did they also need someone to plant pipebombs? It wasn't a sustained intentional conflict. BLM/Antifa actors were involved in Jan 6th too. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 9:58:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Log off. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: OMG, what? What can I do for you? Log off.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 10:10:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not use the examples of when they did do something similar and worse? Were they called out and given live ammo? But lets remember, the Fed's/ deep state planned Jan 6th to turn out how it did, they incited a riot. It wasn't a sustained intentional conflict. BLM/Antifa actors were involved in Jan 6th too. Incite? Negative. Aid and abet? Absolutely. The very same deep state actors very much did not want another Kent State on their hands, as that would have blown their whole Kabuki theater made-for-TV plot out of the water. NO WAY were they going to let the NG or any other LEO go live fire. Yes, .GOV’s across the nation stood down during the 2020 Summer of Love, for all the same cowardly reasons, IE: It would make for bad press. But I guarantee you that many on here claiming “The US .MIL should never bring live fire to bear against US citizens protesting” wouldn’t have blinked if the same or worse was used against BLM/ANTIFA. These same folks also seem to forget how the NG et al were deployed against citizen protestors going all the way back to the “Bonus Army March” in 1932, where Douglas MacAuthur lead infantry, calvary, and tank units against WWI vets demanding their promised bonus be paid:  Bonus Army: US military attacks demonstrating American War Veterans My point here is that J6 was nowhere near the first time the .MIL has been deployed against US protestors, and not a single round went down range out of any US soldiers weapon. |
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