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Posted: 5/10/2021 5:59:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks. I know the cost of the RS25 and the supposed cost of raptor. But the disposable SH booster on Starship? Where is that from.? I don't think they will do an expendable booster, but an expendable upper stage, fully refueled in EEO could throw a stupid amount of payload deep in or out of the solar system |
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Posted: 5/10/2021 6:34:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think they will do an expendable booster, but an expendable upper stage, fully refueled in EEO could throw a stupid amount of payload deep in or out of the solar system Just imagine how much you could throw if you got a Super Heavy into orbit, refueled it, then mated it with a refueled Starship 
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Posted: 5/10/2021 6:40:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just imagine how much you could throw if you got a Super Heavy into orbit, refueled it, then mated it with a refueled Starship Or have a bunch of expendable Starship upper stages stack on top of each other in orbit to form a new staged rocket in EEO... |
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Posted: 5/10/2021 6:47:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or have a bunch of expendable Starship upper stages stack on top of each other in orbit to form a new staged rocket in EEO... It's really mind boggling how much flexibility this architecture offers compared to the Shuttle.... Theoretically. |
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Posted: 5/10/2021 7:29:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ugh. For the tenth time. Those RS-25s should be in a museum! I can hear ya Indiana Jones! Think of all the F1s that went in the water. Friggin things were hand made. The stuff on display at the visitors center for Stennis are in pretty bad shape sitting outside. I was up there in Nov. Hope they can restore them soon. The last (I think) Saturn V 1st stage built and an F1 engine out in the weather  I think there was over 40 RS-25s made. More than a few on display already. I think KSC visitors center has at least 1 on display at the Atlantis exhibit and there used to be another at the LC39 observation gantry (I don't know if it is still there, been a while). Space Center Houston has 1 on display. US Space & Rocket in Huntsville has 1 on display. Smithsonian Air and Space has 1 on display also. |
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Posted: 5/10/2021 9:12:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks. I know the cost of the RS25 and the supposed cost of raptor. But the disposable SH booster on Starship? Where is that from.? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The RS-25's, or the Raptors? The total cost to NASA for the 24 RS-25 engines is at around $3.5 billion dollars, as far as I can tell - combining the contracts to refurbish existing ones, and the contract to build new ones. That's almost $150 million per engine. It's unclear exactly how much Raptor engines cost to build. SpaceX claims that they are manufacturing them at a cost of about $1 million each these days. Keep in mind that the engine is literally still in development, and so the more they produce and the more they nail down the design, the cheaper they will be to build. SpaceX claims that once the design is completely finalized and production REALLY ramps up, they will be making them for about $250K per engine ... but that's obviously still a ways in the future. Personally, I think it's reasonable to consider their cost per engine to be about $2 million - twice of what they are claiming. So, if Raptors cost $2 million per engine - losing 30 of them (i.e. $60 million) would still less than half the cost of one single RS-25 engine. Thanks. I know the cost of the RS25 and the supposed cost of raptor. But the disposable SH booster on Starship? Where is that from.? Oh, I have no idea - sorry if I misunderstood the question.  I’ve never heard that before either. It’s news to me. |
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Posted: 5/10/2021 9:43:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SpaceX has come out and stated Super Heavy boosters will be expendable until they get the catch system working.  30 raptors dumped into the ocean every launch until they get everything working lolnick |
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Posted: 5/16/2021 6:17:07 PM EDT
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Who thinks NASA is gonna win the run around on congress and end up with more funding for HLS?
“Oh you don’t like us only funding starship? Then give us enough funding for HLS” |
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Posted: 5/16/2021 6:20:41 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No they have not said any such thing. nick FCC filing has them putting both SuperHeavy and Starship in the drink. Want to try again? |
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Posted: 5/16/2021 6:22:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who thinks NASA is gonna win the run around on congress and end up with more funding for HLS? "Oh you don't like us only funding starship? Then give us enough funding for HLS" Thats exactly whats going on. |
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Posted: 5/16/2021 6:27:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FCC filing has them putting both SuperHeavy and Starship in the drink. Want to try again? Sounds like they are recovering the booster and ditching Starship near Hawaii.  SpaceX Reveal Details Of Starship’s Planned Orbital Test Flight #shorts If things go according to plan... |
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Posted: 5/16/2021 6:49:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thats exactly whats going on. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Who thinks NASA is gonna win the run around on congress and end up with more funding for HLS? "Oh you don't like us only funding starship? Then give us enough funding for HLS" Thats exactly whats going on. Unfortunately, it’s only smart if it works. Depending on the level of corruption, the result could also be a successful protest, and the SpaceX contract gets pulled and is instead given to either of the two overpriced clown designs from Blue Origin/OldSpace or Dynetics. That would genuinely be a terrible outcome. I mean, if either of the two other bidders get extra money, it’s “only” billions of taxpayer money that gets flushed down the toilet. But if SpaceX loses the contract, that could ultimately kill the program, because it will become such a money pit that it’s tempting for a President to just cancel it in order to virtue signal how the money could be “better spent” on bullshit social program. |
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Posted: 5/16/2021 6:57:04 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Unfortunately, it’s only smart if it works. Depending on the level of corruption, the result could also be a successful protest, and the SpaceX contract gets pulled and is instead given to either of the two overpriced clown designs from Blue Origin/OldSpace or Dynetics. That would genuinely be a terrible outcome. I mean, if either of the two other bidders get extra money, it’s “only” billions of taxpayer money that gets flushed down the toilet. But if SpaceX loses the contract, that could ultimately kill the program, because it will become such a money pit that it’s tempting for a President to just cancel it in order to virtue signal how the money could be “better spent” on bullshit social program. Hell, I keep having this persistent vision of armies of filthy poors besieging launch facilities. "How dare you blow all this money on rockets! My kids are starving!!!" |
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Posted: 5/16/2021 7:29:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hell, I keep having this persistent vision of armies of filthy poors besieging launch facilities. "How dare you blow all this money on rockets! My kids are starving!!!" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Unfortunately, it’s only smart if it works. Depending on the level of corruption, the result could also be a successful protest, and the SpaceX contract gets pulled and is instead given to either of the two overpriced clown designs from Blue Origin/OldSpace or Dynetics. That would genuinely be a terrible outcome. I mean, if either of the two other bidders get extra money, it’s “only” billions of taxpayer money that gets flushed down the toilet. But if SpaceX loses the contract, that could ultimately kill the program, because it will become such a money pit that it’s tempting for a President to just cancel it in order to virtue signal how the money could be “better spent” on bullshit social program. Hell, I keep having this persistent vision of armies of filthy poors besieging launch facilities. "How dare you blow all this money on rockets! My kids are starving!!!"  Gil Scott-Heron - Whitey On the Moon (Official Audio) |
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Posted: 5/16/2021 7:42:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like they are recovering the booster and ditching Starship near Hawaii.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV9A4T6NUAQIf things go according to plan... "Could take place this year" For what ? This sucker is supposed to be fully orbital and operational a year and a half ago. IOW , the brilliant deflection away from the lack of SX living up to promises (again) is... "it's high time for a carbon tax" You GO Elon !!! |
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Posted: 5/16/2021 8:27:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Could take place this year" For what ? This sucker is supposed to be fully orbital and operational a year and a half ago. IOW , the brilliant deflection away from the lack of SX living up to promises (again) is... "it's high time for a carbon tax" You GO Elon !!! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sounds like they are recovering the booster and ditching Starship near Hawaii. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV9A4T6NUAQIf things go according to plan... "Could take place this year" For what ? This sucker is supposed to be fully orbital and operational a year and a half ago. IOW , the brilliant deflection away from the lack of SX living up to promises (again) is... "it's high time for a carbon tax" You GO Elon !!! Ah, the young blade returneth for another round. |
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Posted: 5/16/2021 8:48:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Could take place this year" For what ? This sucker is supposed to be fully orbital and operational a year and a half ago. IOW , the brilliant deflection away from the lack of SX living up to promises (again) is... "it's high time for a carbon tax" You GO Elon !!! You realize he is literally beating everyone else to orbit with a Super-Heavy including those working on it longer than he has? |
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Posted: 5/16/2021 10:57:47 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "Could take place this year" For what ? This sucker is supposed to be fully orbital and operational a year and a half ago. IOW , the brilliant deflection away from the lack of SX living up to promises (again) is... "it's high time for a carbon tax" You GO Elon !!! Elon time is a thing dude. We have all accepted it by now. How about the other space vendors? Starliner? SLS? How many years is SLS behind? Also how much has SLS development cost? |
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Posted: 5/16/2021 11:32:32 PM EDT
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the starship FCC filing is vague, it word the booster return such that it could be a ditch or a landing.
Musk has oil rigs being stripped to use presumably as landing/ launch pads. NO one knows their timeline though, photos i have seen have mostly been them cutting rig gear off. |
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Posted: 5/17/2021 12:00:36 AM EDT
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Even if the Super Heavy does a zero velocity water landing they may be able to refurb the Raptors and avionics from it. Or at least salvage parts from them.
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Posted: 5/17/2021 7:50:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You realize he is literally beating everyone else to orbit with a Super-Heavy including those working on it longer than he has? What 'Super-Heavy' ? Doesn't he have to build and test a launch platform first ? Let alone build the rocket and test that. |
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Posted: 5/17/2021 8:03:14 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What 'Super-Heavy' ? Doesn't he have to build and test a launch platform first ? Let alone build the rocket and test that. Falcon heavy expendable version is in the super heavy class. |
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Posted: 5/17/2021 8:09:03 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "Could take place this year" For what ? This sucker is supposed to be fully orbital and operational a year and a half ago. IOW , the brilliant deflection away from the lack of SX living up to promises (again) is... "it's high time for a carbon tax" You GO Elon !!! Vulcan, Ariane 6, and New Glenn were all supposed to launch in 2020. SLS was supposed to launch in 2016. Starship looks like it will beat all of them to orbit |
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Posted: 5/17/2021 8:25:39 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Elon time is a thing dude. We have all accepted it by now. How about the other space vendors? Starliner? SLS? How many years is SLS behind? Also how much has SLS development cost? While not Artemis related but still space stuff, since it was mentioned. Last month a friend said Starliner was ready to go again and the next day local news said launch is in July. Haven't seen it anywhere else but haven't really looked either. Looks like a lot of traffic at ISS during that time frame but I'm hoping they can squeeze in the flight and it goes well. |
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Posted: 5/17/2021 8:27:54 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: While not Artemis related but still space stuff, since it was mentioned. Last month a friend said Starliner was ready to go again and the next day local news said launch is in July. Haven't seen it anywhere else but haven't really looked either. Looks like a lot of traffic at ISS during that time frame but I'm hoping they can squeeze in the flight and it goes well. ISS is busy these days 
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Posted: 5/17/2021 8:35:19 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: While not Artemis related but still space stuff, since it was mentioned. Last month a friend said Starliner was ready to go again and the next day local news said launch is in July. Haven't seen it anywhere else but haven't really looked either. Looks like a lot of traffic at ISS during that time frame but I'm hoping they can squeeze in the flight and it goes well. https://spacenews.com/starliner-test-flight-scheduled-for-july-30/ |
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Posted: 5/17/2021 8:39:45 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ISS is busy these days It is. My understanding at the time and still now is that's the cause of slip in schedule this year. That idiot berger or whatever his name is made some speculation on avionics problems when it was announced. Typical journalism throwing some shit on the wall to see if anyone will hang their hat on it. Got a few retards to get out their war drums. |
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Posted: 5/17/2021 8:41:53 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryThere's something, thanks |
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Posted: 5/17/2021 9:06:41 AM EDT
[#29]
OT, but there is an Atlas V launch today
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Posted: 5/17/2021 9:34:35 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OT, but there is an Atlas V launch today And I’m at Disney.! Woot woot. I’ll be watching. Hope Starliner really does launch on July 30th. |
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Posted: 5/17/2021 9:41:07 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Falcon heavy expendable version is in the super heavy class. Barely. That’s FH in a fully expendable config. And that may never happen with such a tiny payload volume. Also when a Super Heavy class includes 60t FH and SLS 95t, Starship 100-150ton, and Saturn V 140ton maybe we need another class. GIGA class? CHAD class? Saturn class? |
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Posted: 5/17/2021 10:40:41 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What 'Super-Heavy' ? Doesn't he have to build and test a launch platform first ? Let alone build the rocket and test that. He’s already beat them with Falcon Heavy and he is going to beat them again with Starship. Starship is going to attempt orbit before the end of July and the launch platforms are under construction now. If you want to get technical, he is going to beat them twice. |
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Posted: 5/17/2021 10:44:06 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And I’m at Disney.! Woot woot. I’ll be watching. Hope Starliner really does launch on July 30th. Get yer butt on the 528 and head to Jetty Park at the Port. Screw Disney. That is if you want to hear it/feel it/ see it. Launch is at 1:35 this afternoon. |
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Posted: 5/17/2021 10:51:07 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He’s already beat them with Falcon Heavy and he is going to beat them again with Starship. Starship is going to attempt orbit before the end of July and the launch platforms are under construction now. If you want to get technical, he is going to beat them twice. How is Starship going to attempt orbit in 2 and a half months ? SSTO ??? |
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Posted: 5/17/2021 10:52:57 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How is Starship going to attempt orbit in 2 and a half months ? SSTO ??? On top of BN3. |
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Posted: 5/17/2021 11:03:06 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How is Starship going to attempt orbit in 2 and a half months ? SSTO ??? Dagger, please calm down. You're going to give yourself a brain aneurism when Starship does make it to orbit. |
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Posted: 5/17/2021 11:04:37 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Also when a Super Heavy class includes 60t FH and SLS 95t, Starship 100-150ton, and Saturn V 140ton maybe we need another class. GIGA class? CHAD class? Saturn class? Jupiter Class.  Attached FileZeus Class.  Attached FileHauling Ass class?  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/17/2021 11:22:13 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Get yer butt on the 528 and head to Jetty Park at the Port. Screw Disney. That is if you want to hear it/feel it/ see it. Launch is at 1:35 this afternoon. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And I’m at Disney.! Woot woot. I’ll be watching. Hope Starliner really does launch on July 30th. Get yer butt on the 528 and head to Jetty Park at the Port. Screw Disney. That is if you want to hear it/feel it/ see it. Launch is at 1:35 this afternoon. Agree Screw the rat house, see a launch instead. I hope you at least set a day aside, last month KSC visitor center started running the bus tours again to the Saturn V exhibit. |
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Posted: 5/17/2021 1:24:33 PM EDT
[#39]
24 hour scrub for the Atlas 5 launch.
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Posted: 5/17/2021 4:15:51 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Starship is going to attempt orbit before the end of July and the launch platforms are under construction now. I would like to see that - but honestly I would be VERY surprised if they made it. Right now, I see that more as a "goal" than a set schedule. I am guessing that there is a LOT more time needed to develop the booster. |
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Posted: 5/17/2021 4:29:50 PM EDT
[#41]
Elon says the booster is by far the easiest part.
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Posted: 5/17/2021 4:35:57 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Elon says the booster is by far the easiest part. Doesn't need heat shielding, to do a flip and so on but still... 30 or so raptor engines? That's not something to take too lightly.
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Posted: 5/17/2021 4:44:40 PM EDT
[#43]
It’s similar to what he is already doing almost weekly with Falcon 9. That’s a shit-ton of flight experience there.
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Posted: 5/18/2021 7:24:46 AM EDT
[#44]
Atlas 5 launch set for 1:31 P.M. EDT
80% probability of a go , winds 15 gusting to 25. Weather was not the cause for the scrub yesterday , there were issues with propellant loading (LOX). |
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Posted: 5/18/2021 7:48:21 AM EDT
[#45]
Yeahh no, spacex’s super heavy booster isn’t going to be putting starship into orbit by the end of July,
The only way Elon can beat SLS is if there’s another large delay by nasa. i can see solo booster test flights by then, probably with less engines since no starship Ontop. Now if SLS’s first test flight’s a mass simulator then starship could beat SLS in first commercial payload to orbit. You can bet musk’s more than willing to throw in a load of star link satellites as soon as he thinks he can. SLS is going to have a narrow window of viability as a heavy lift platform, (a few years tops) until repeated flights and eventual crew certification on starship super heavy blows them out of the vacuum on price per pound by about three orders of magnitude. |
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Posted: 5/18/2021 9:51:21 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeahh no, spacex’s super heavy booster isn’t going to be putting starship into orbit by the end of July, The only way Elon can beat SLS is if there’s another large delay by nasa. i can see solo booster test flights by then, probably with less engines since no starship Ontop. Now if SLS’s first test flight’s a mass simulator then starship could beat SLS in first commercial payload to orbit. You can bet musk’s more than willing to throw in a load of star link satellites as soon as he thinks he can. SLS is going to have a narrow window of viability as a heavy lift platform, (a few years tops) until repeated flights and eventual crew certification on starship super heavy blows them out of the vacuum on price per pound by about three orders of magnitude. Elon is saying they are going to full stack 28 raptor booster with Starship for first booster test. No dummy only booster flights. His words not mine. |
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Posted: 5/18/2021 1:48:28 PM EDT
[#47]
Love that Atlas 5. Very impressive on how fast it gets up to speed.
Beautiful loud launch !!! |
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Posted: 5/18/2021 2:01:14 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Unfortunately, it's only smart if it works. Depending on the level of corruption, the result could also be a successful protest, and the SpaceX contract gets pulled and is instead given to either of the two overpriced clown designs from Blue Origin/OldSpace or Dynetics. That would genuinely be a terrible outcome. I mean, if either of the two other bidders get extra money, it's "only" billions of taxpayer money that gets flushed down the toilet. But if SpaceX loses the contract, that could ultimately kill the program, because it will become such a money pit that it's tempting for a President to just cancel it in order to virtue signal how the money could be "better spent" on bullshit social program. |
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Posted: 5/18/2021 2:05:26 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Love that Atlas 5. Very impressive on how fast it gets up to speed. Beautiful loud launch !!! Those Russian engines do that. |
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Posted: 5/18/2021 2:06:13 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Barely. That's FH in a fully expendable config. And that may never happen with such a tiny payload volume. Also when a Super Heavy class includes 60t FH and SLS 95t, Starship 100-150ton, and Saturn V 140ton maybe we need another class. GIGA class? CHAD class? Saturn class? SLS can throw over 100 tons to leo and 1B can throw upwards of 140tons(NASA keeps uprating them) |
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