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Posted: 7/4/2017 5:05:08 AM EDT
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It has been real for years, this is the end of the kicking the can down the road policy with regard to Norkland and Iran.
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Posted: 7/4/2017 5:08:07 AM EDT
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It is time for a strong preemptive nuclear strike. 30 - 40 Trident II's, each loaded with 8 W88 devices. The best case scenario is a massive first strike. Take out as much of their known military, political, and infrastructure as possible in the first few minutes. Submarine launch the first strike and follow it up with strategic bombers. China is too pragmatic to jump into a fight that starts with a nuclear strike. Shit is going to kick off sooner or later, we might as well throw the first punch. Double or (apocalypse) the rest of the world will do nothing but pee in their panties a little bit. And no, we would most definitely NOT get our hair mussed. We could flatten them and all we would lose would be Seoul. (ETA: and/or our soul). |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 5:09:39 AM EDT
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Yeah fuck Japan. I'm sure all of that fall out that comes there way will be fine...  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It is time for a strong preemptive nuclear strike. 30 - 40 Trident II's, each loaded with 8 W88 devices. The best case scenario is a massive first strike. Take out as much of their known military, political, and infrastructure as possible in the first few minutes. Submarine launch the first strike and follow it up with strategic bombers. China is too pragmatic to jump into a fight that starts with a nuclear strike. 
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Posted: 7/4/2017 5:16:09 AM EDT
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I can't for the life of me see what Kim hopes to accomplish with all this premature provocation and posturing. The very best he can hope for is to preserve the status quo, which he would have had anyway if he'd simply STFU. And at worst he'll end up with a lapful of U.S. conventional, or possibly nuclear weapons. Surely he's smart enough to realize that there's no happy ending to the course he seems intent on setting for NK's international relations.
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Posted: 7/4/2017 5:16:47 AM EDT
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But we'd lose James Woods
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So wouldn't be a total loss if a nuke hit that area. Better than anywhere else.
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Posted: 7/4/2017 5:17:28 AM EDT
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Yeah fuck Japan. I'm sure all of that fall out that comes there way will be fine... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It is time for a strong preemptive nuclear strike. 30 - 40 Trident II's, each loaded with 8 W88 devices. The best case scenario is a massive first strike. Take out as much of their known military, political, and infrastructure as possible in the first few minutes. Submarine launch the first strike and follow it up with strategic bombers. China is too pragmatic to jump into a fight that starts with a nuclear strike. Fall out is a controllable effect based on the altitude (relative to ground level) of the device at the time of detonation. To put it simply, blow the bombs up high enough and you don't get significant fallout. That has to be balanced, of course, with minimizing the potential of the compton effect doing significant infrastructure damage to Seoul. Bottom line is we'd need to use more devices, blow them higher off the ground, and further from the border, to keep from causing an environmental disaster in Japan or an infrastructure and humanitarian disaster in Seoul. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 5:17:49 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/4/2017 5:20:44 AM EDT
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I think you're right. Shit is going to kick off sooner or later, we might as well throw the first punch. Double or (apocalypse) the rest of the world will do nothing but pee in their panties a little bit. And no, we would most definitely NOT get our hair mussed. We could flatten them and all we would lose would be Seoul. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It is time for a strong preemptive nuclear strike. 30 - 40 Trident II's, each loaded with 8 W88 devices. The best case scenario is a massive first strike. Take out as much of their known military, political, and infrastructure as possible in the first few minutes. Submarine launch the first strike and follow it up with strategic bombers. China is too pragmatic to jump into a fight that starts with a nuclear strike. Shit is going to kick off sooner or later, we might as well throw the first punch. Double or (apocalypse) the rest of the world will do nothing but pee in their panties a little bit. And no, we would most definitely NOT get our hair mussed. We could flatten them and all we would lose would be Seoul. The thing is we won't get the job done with just a few nuclear blasts. The most efficient way to do it is to selectively pick which devices and altitudes for each target area, with a goal of maximum localized damaged and minimum collateral damage outside of North Korea. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 5:23:13 AM EDT
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No. Fall out is a controllable effect based on the altitude (relative to ground level) of the device at the time of detonation. To put it simply, blow the bombs up high enough and you don't get significant fallout. That has to be balanced, of course, with minimizing the potential of the compton effect doing significant infrastructure damage to Seoul. Bottom line is we'd need to use more devices, blow them higher off the ground, and further from the border, to keep from causing an environmental disaster in Japan or an infrastructure and humanitarian disaster in Seoul. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 5:37:17 AM EDT
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You don't know what you're talking about. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No. Fall out is a controllable effect based on the altitude (relative to ground level) of the device at the time of detonation. To put it simply, blow the bombs up high enough and you don't get significant fallout. That has to be balanced, of course, with minimizing the potential of the compton effect doing significant infrastructure damage to Seoul. Bottom line is we'd need to use more devices, blow them higher off the ground, and further from the border, to keep from causing an environmental disaster in Japan or an infrastructure and humanitarian disaster in Seoul. Or are you referring to the horizon issue? At less than 1 mile air burst, we're not talking about a HEMP issue. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 5:51:47 AM EDT
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Well he's in Carmel not far from me
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Posted: 7/4/2017 6:00:49 AM EDT
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They should be used to it by now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It is time for a strong preemptive nuclear strike. 30 - 40 Trident II's, each loaded with 8 W88 devices. The best case scenario is a massive first strike. Take out as much of their known military, political, and infrastructure as possible in the first few minutes. Submarine launch the first strike and follow it up with strategic bombers. China is too pragmatic to jump into a fight that starts with a nuclear strike. 
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Posted: 7/4/2017 6:01:22 AM EDT
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I can't for the life of me see what Kim hopes to accomplish with all this premature provocation and posturing. The very best he can hope for is to preserve the status quo, which he would have had anyway if he'd simply STFU. And at worst he'll end up with a lapful of U.S. conventional, or possibly nuclear weapons. Surely he's smart enough to realize that there's no happy ending to the course he seems intent on setting for NK's international relations. He could have just sat this one out. Nobody was going to do shit if he. He might just believe the NORKS own bullshit and that combined with a deliverable nuke poses a clear threat to the USA.  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 6:05:18 AM EDT
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The winds should carry it north east toward china / russia. Whom says it would be a surface burst though? Air burst that shit, Shouldn't be an issue for those down wind. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It is time for a strong preemptive nuclear strike. 30 - 40 Trident II's, each loaded with 8 W88 devices. The best case scenario is a massive first strike. Take out as much of their known military, political, and infrastructure as possible in the first few minutes. Submarine launch the first strike and follow it up with strategic bombers. China is too pragmatic to jump into a fight that starts with a nuclear strike. Air burst means we have to use more warheads to get the same job done, but eliminates most of the fallout issue. Oh well. So we have to fight a "green" nuclear war. Big fucking deal. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 6:06:08 AM EDT
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Great, just like Iran the U.S. Has paid proection money, played the "sanction" bullshit game with the "international community"
Enough kicking the can down the road. It's war with North Korea and IMO Nuke Iran as well time. screw it FO fo bigly. I say this as an adult with a near draftable son, money in the market, and who has an aversion to nuclear fallout. WWIII. What do we do today? Lets take over the world. And Nuke the Middle East too while we are at it. Let's make Nazi Germany look like the B Team. Pull the damn Trigger. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 6:08:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/4/2017 6:17:55 AM EDT
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Exactly. Air burst means we have to use more warheads to get the same job done, but eliminates most of the fallout issue. Oh well. So we have to fight a "green" nuclear war. Big fucking deal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It is time for a strong preemptive nuclear strike. 30 - 40 Trident II's, each loaded with 8 W88 devices. The best case scenario is a massive first strike. Take out as much of their known military, political, and infrastructure as possible in the first few minutes. Submarine launch the first strike and follow it up with strategic bombers. China is too pragmatic to jump into a fight that starts with a nuclear strike. Air burst means we have to use more warheads to get the same job done, but eliminates most of the fallout issue. Oh well. So we have to fight a "green" nuclear war. Big fucking deal. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 6:20:07 AM EDT
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I can't for the life of me see what Kim hopes to accomplish with all this premature provocation and posturing. The very best he can hope for is to preserve the status quo, which he would have had anyway if he'd simply STFU. And at worst he'll end up with a lapful of U.S. conventional, or possibly nuclear weapons. Surely he's smart enough to realize that there's no happy ending to the course he seems intent on setting for NK's international relations. It's ultimately to the benefit of Red China to have NK as a buffer state, as well as having them on-call as a source of harassment to the US and other nations that are in the area. The ChiComs are NK's biggest trading partners, by far, at least in non-military, overt sales. That being the case, if Red China sneezes, NK gets a cold. Given the very great reaction to the tsunami/Jap reactor disaster not long ago, the idea of hitting NK in a pre-emptive strike with multiple nukes would raise an incredible reaction in SK, Japan, and anywhere downwind where any fallout could settle. The NORKs have had decades in which to tunnel and in which to hide their weapons in relatively secure areas It's a tough problem. I don't have the answer. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 7:16:08 AM EDT
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... And the rockets red glare,
the nukes bursting in air.... Happy Independence Day! |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 7:19:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/4/2017 7:25:37 AM EDT
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So liquid fueled missiles take a while to prepare for launch? They can't just erect the launcher and fire it off? I understand the liquid fueled type can't be stored fueled? I doubt they even have a warhead miniaturized enough yet but I could be wrong. This will sure move the war time table up
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Posted: 7/4/2017 7:29:26 AM EDT
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A Titan II airburst over Pyongyang would be more than enough to flatten that entire city and fuck up surrounding cities. Millions dead. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 7:29:51 AM EDT
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... And the rockets red glare, the nukes bursting in air.... Happy Independence Day! 
TPNI |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 7:33:32 AM EDT
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You guys do realize the airburst altitude is calculated for effectiveness, not fallout right?
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Posted: 7/4/2017 7:48:45 AM EDT
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Aren't the Titan II rockets retired?? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A Titan II airburst over Pyongyang would be more than enough to flatten that entire city and fuck up surrounding cities. Millions dead. Edited for accuracy. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 7:49:03 AM EDT
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You guys do realize the airburst altitude is calculated for effectiveness, not fallout right? The main sacrifice is giving up some capability against hardened targets and diminished effectiveness per warhead, necessitating the use of more warheads. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 7:50:40 AM EDT
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This news brought to you by Bill Clinton and Barak Obama.
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Posted: 7/4/2017 7:55:44 AM EDT
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If Kim keeps poking the bear, it won't end well for him.
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Posted: 7/4/2017 8:02:10 AM EDT
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If Kim keeps poking the bear, it won't end well for him. "Mr. President at 15:35 hours Pongyang time we detected a ICBM was launched by North Korea with a trajectory putting it on course with Los Angeles. Flight time is 48 minutes. What are your orders?" |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 8:09:19 AM EDT
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Can't we wait until they hit Los Angeles first? PLEEEZE?????  |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 8:12:34 AM EDT
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Aren't the Titan II rockets retired?? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A Titan II airburst over Pyongyang would be more than enough to flatten that entire city and fuck up surrounding cities. Millions dead. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 8:14:05 AM EDT
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Short of attacking I don't know what else he can do. He sends something much closer to us and Trump is going to be woken up and asked to select a strike package: "Mr. President at 15:35 hours Pongyang time we detected a ICBM was launched by North Korea with a trajectory putting it on course with Los Angeles. Flight time is 48 minutes. What are your orders?" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If Kim keeps poking the bear, it won't end well for him. "Mr. President at 15:35 hours Pongyang time we detected a ICBM was launched by North Korea with a trajectory putting it on course with Los Angeles. Flight time is 48 minutes. What are your orders?" |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 8:15:49 AM EDT
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PACOM says they can hit Hawaii & Alaska for sure and potentially Los Angeles in the near future given their current test rate Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whats the correct hold over for a 230 grain Berger in 300 rum from Ak to NK? |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 8:18:53 AM EDT
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What happens to the price of oil when this goes down?
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Posted: 7/4/2017 8:24:13 AM EDT
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Probably... thanks Obama... Guess we can fly in a MK-53 instead of launching a Titan II with a W-53 warhead. 9Mt airburst would be more than enough to flatten Pyongyang. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A Titan II airburst over Pyongyang would be more than enough to flatten that entire city and fuck up surrounding cities. Millions dead. I don't think we can reasonably expect that a monolithic attack on their capital will result in a deescalation of tensions. We need to eliminate their capability to respond, which means going after both their nuclear facilities (and any mobile platforms we track) as well as their conventional units. Keeping our side of the DMZ from being decimated means using dozens or hundreds of smaller warheads on their side. Draw a line just north of the 39th parallel and another at the DMZ. Overlap air burst blast radii and pound it into the ground. Add on more specific targets of military and political positions north of the 39th. We don't need to drop a 9 megaton warhead on a city, we need to reach out with a few hundred smaller warheads and brush the opposition off the map as though they were pimp slapped by the hand of an angry god. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 8:32:10 AM EDT
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This news brought to you by Bill Clinton and Barak Obama. This news created by Jimmy Carter. You all hate Obama, as do I, but the two most effective agents that will bring about the eventual and slow destruction of America are Jimmy Carter (his Iran "deal") and Ted Kennedy (his immigration deal). May Jimmah Carter soon burn in hell beside Ted Kennedy. As for Ted Kennedy, turn over son the down side is well done. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 8:48:21 AM EDT
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This is from a missile expert. That basically includes California. 10,000 km = 6,214 miles NK to LA = 5,806 miles Shit, even includes Denver. Pretty much the entire western portion of the United States. EDIT: I guess they don't actually have a warhead yet so maybe not. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 9:00:19 AM EDT
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"I bet lil kim has his scientists working around the clock to get a functional miniaturized WMD on a missile that can hit a US target so he has a real card to play in the event that we make a move against him." I sure as hell would... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I bet lil kim has his scientists working around the clock to get a functional miniaturized WMD on a missile that can hit a US target so he has a real card to play in the event that we make a move against him. Fat boy has bite off more than he can chew. Yes, I know that's a lot. I sure as hell would... |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 9:01:25 AM EDT
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What's the deal with the ' neutron' (sp) bomb...have not heard that term in ages
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Posted: 7/4/2017 9:03:29 AM EDT
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Normally, I laugh at the "it's happening" people when it comes to the Norks but with the demonstrated ability to hit EDIT: I guess they don't actually have a warhead yet so maybe not.
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Posted: 7/4/2017 9:12:43 AM EDT
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Ost.
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Posted: 7/4/2017 9:20:58 AM EDT
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Funny thing,
I was posting last year about North Korea and everyone thought the little fat boy was a joke and nothing to worry about........... |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 9:28:00 AM EDT
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Can't we wait until they hit Los Angeles first? PLEEEZE?????
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Posted: 7/4/2017 9:30:19 AM EDT
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I keep checking .mil and .mil affiliated accounts for response but they'll probably wait a few days to make an announcement |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 9:32:14 AM EDT
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Supreme leader is ronery
https://youtu.be/UEaKX9YYHiQ |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 9:38:53 AM EDT
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What's the deal with the ' neutron' (sp) bomb...have not heard that term in ages Much smaller blast radius and much higher radiation. Makes a good EMP if detonated on the horizon too. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 9:45:46 AM EDT
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They plan on exporting rice to the less fortunate countries? Oh, wait. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 9:48:40 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/4/2017 9:49:27 AM EDT
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Written in early June by Jeffery Lewis
 Attached FileWhat sort of ICBM is North Korea likely to launch? As I have noted elsewhere, most attention has focused on the missile that North Korea has been showing off since 2012, which the United States calls the KN-08. North Korea conducted a test of the KN-08’s engine last year. If the missile works — a fairly big if, to be honest — it would have the range to reach New York. But there is also the possibility of a surprise. North Korea showed off two different heavy vehicles carrying canisters large enough for an ICBM, sending the clear message that there are multiple ICBMs under development. Other options include an ICBM based on the new engine that powered the Hwasong-12 or a larger solid-fueled ballistic missile. Each of these would be a surprise, in the sense that it represents a capability North Korea has yet to demonstrate. But then again, there is a first time for everything. North Korea has said that the missile will “soar into the sky with dynamism” — although a first ICBM test is, more likely than not, likely to fail spectacularly. Rocket science is, after all, hard. But that first test will be a warning, a wake-up call that America’s long-running policy of attempting to scold the North Koreans into disarmament is at an end. The Rodong Sinmun commentary argued that Washington’s “hostile policy will end … when the DPRK conducts the test-fire of ICBM capable of precisely striking any place of the U.S. mainland.” While I don’t expect Trump’s level of hostility will decline, the phrase “hostile policy” is a North Korean term of art. And the Rodong Sinmun commentary is correct in a specific sense: North Korea’s test of an ICBM will complete the development of a nuclear arsenal with a defined strategic role. It is the final step in building an arsenal that can deter and, to use another term of art, repel an American invasion. If deterrence were to fail, and an invasion were underway, North Korea already plans the widespread use of nuclear weapons against U.S. forces in South Korea and Japan. U.S. officials have repeatedly said that such a threat is not credible: “Perhaps he’s got an enhanced capacity to conduct a nuclear attack” one U.S. official noted, “and then immediately die.” Or, as Trump told Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte, “We have a lot of firepower, more than [Kim] has, times 20 — but we don’t want to use it.” Tough talk like that is easy from behind the safety of a smartphone and an ocean. And that is why Kim wants an ICBM — to reach beyond the ocean and hit the hand tweeting out blustery threats. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 9:52:24 AM EDT
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