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Posted: 9/4/2024 1:22:14 PM EST
How does one reach such a high rank and yet be so stupid?
"For a variety of reasons, including operational security, a crew’s internet access is regularly restricted while underway, to preserve bandwidth for the mission and to keep their ship safe from nefarious online attacks. But the senior enlisted leaders among the littoral combat ship Manchester’s gold crew knew no such privation last year, when they installed and secretly used their very own Wi-Fi network during a deployment, according to a scathing internal investigation obtained by Navy Times. As the ship prepared for a West Pacific deployment in April 2023, the enlisted leader onboard conspired with the ship’s chiefs to install the secret, unauthorized network aboard the ship, for use exclusively by them. So while rank-and-file sailors lived without the level of internet connectivity they enjoyed ashore, the chiefs installed a Starlink satellite internet dish on the top of the ship and used a Wi-Fi network they dubbed “STINKY” to check sports scores, text home and stream movies. Led by the senior enlisted leader of the ship’s gold crew, then-Command Senior Chief Grisel Marrero, the effort roped in the entire chiefs mess by the time it was uncovered a few months later. Marrero was relieved in late 2023 after repeatedly misleading and lying to her ship’s command about the Wi-Fi network, and she was convicted at court-martial this spring in connection to the scheme." Red arrow points to Starlink antenna:  https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2024/09/03/how-navy-chiefs-conspired-to-get-themselves-illegal-warship-wi-fi/ . |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 1:24:56 PM EST
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She is a disgrace to the Navy. She was only busted to E-7?
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Posted: 9/4/2024 1:25:12 PM EST
[#2]
Never underestimate the stupidity of people.
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Posted: 9/4/2024 1:27:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never underestimate the stupidity of people. This wasn’t stupidity this was intentional repeatedly lying that endangered the whole crew so her and the other chiefs could have internet. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 1:29:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This wasn’t stupidity this was intentional repeatedly lying that endangered the whole crew so her and the other chiefs could have internet. aka a stupid decision. Doesn't have to be unintentional. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 1:29:42 PM EST
[#5]
Rank does not equal intelligence.
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Posted: 9/4/2024 1:30:05 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This wasn't stupidity this was intentional repeatedly lying that endangered the whole crew so her and the other chiefs could have internet. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Never underestimate the stupidity of people. This wasn't stupidity this was intentional repeatedly lying that endangered the whole crew so her and the other chiefs could have internet. I guess you can get away with shenanigans as long as you own up to it at mast? 
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Posted: 9/4/2024 1:31:57 PM EST
[#7]
Damn.
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Posted: 9/4/2024 1:32:40 PM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Rank does not equal intelligence. Do you think she was promoted because of her intelligence? |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 1:32:47 PM EST
[#9]
In other news the navy is now installing starlink on the USS ABRAHAM.
https://www.benzinga.com/news/24/08/40540432/us-navy-installs-starlink-on-uss-abraham-lincoln-aircraft-carrier-currently-in-the-middle-east-a-sup |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 1:35:11 PM EST
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Quoted: How does one reach such a high rank and yet be so stupid? . I take it you haven’t been in many Messes? |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 1:35:40 PM EST
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That's a lot of lies and coverup and stuff for such a small crew on a small ship.
Also, lol, the Navy is now installing Starlink on some ships for crew internet. Of course it isn't some jury rigged non compliant install I assume. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 1:35:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It sounds like the lying about it was the part that is doing her in. I guess you can get away with shenanigans as long as you own up to it at mast? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Never underestimate the stupidity of people. This wasn't stupidity this was intentional repeatedly lying that endangered the whole crew so her and the other chiefs could have internet. I guess you can get away with shenanigans as long as you own up to it at mast? Reduction in rank from E-8 to E-7 isn’t severe enough imo. It is only a loss of is $767.70 in basic pay per month between E-8 w/ 22 years and E-7. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 1:37:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She is a disgrace to the Navy. She was only busted to E-7? https://i.ibb.co/N72tHGm/IMG-6686.jpg Shit dude, it’s a female, POC, and probably claimed to be a lesbian… Surprised they didn’t promote her. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 1:37:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Reduction in rank from E-8 to E-7 isn’t severe enough imo. It is only a loss of is $767.70 in basic pay per month between E-8 w/ 22 years and E-7. I agree with you but suspect sex and skin tone played a role. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 1:39:06 PM EST
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Meh I had my starlink with me while deployed to eastern Europe.
Sure, not Navy but you think the Navy would have a way to provide internet access while at sea. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 1:39:16 PM EST
[#16]
Our DEI is our strength. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 1:42:10 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a lot of lies and coverup and stuff for such a small crew on a small ship. Also, lol, the Navy is now installing Starlink on some ships for crew internet. Of course it isn't some jury rigged non compliant install I assume. Oh no, they must not have been getting their stupid mandated NAVSEA warning banner about not doing stupid stuff with the internet. How ever would they have survived a real war in an LCS with their own air gapped but noncompliant Starlink installed |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 1:45:05 PM EST
[#18]
How else is she supposed to do her Onlyfans page
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Posted: 9/4/2024 1:45:25 PM EST
[#19]
Even assuming that the wireless encryption was secure, you are still broadcasting either a 2.4 or 5Ghz signal, likely both, constantly. Do you think that maybe, just maybe, enemy assets could detect and track that signal?
That's not stupid, that's not giving a shit. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 1:46:31 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This wasn’t stupidity this was intentional repeatedly lying that endangered the whole crew so her and the other chiefs could have Fixed it |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 1:46:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a lot of lies and coverup and stuff for such a small crew on a small ship. Also, lol, the Navy is now installing Starlink on some ships for crew internet. Of course it isn't some jury rigged non compliant install I assume. A more interesting question is why it took that look to get noticed? Most average level corporate IT departments periodically scan for, or the automatically get reports, on rogue wifi. You'd think that would be even easier at sea. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 1:47:50 PM EST
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Never been in the navy or .gov security and from only reading the title I know this is an extraordinarily bad idea and relatively sure of the consequences.
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Posted: 9/4/2024 1:50:12 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Even assuming that the wireless encryption was secure, you are still broadcasting either a 2.4 or 5Ghz signal, likely both, constantly. Do you think that maybe, just maybe, enemy assets could detect and track that signal? That's not stupid, that's not giving a shit. You're right but you also won't pick up that signal outside of the house once you're 50yd away from the ship and by that point, I'm pretty sure the enemy assets see you |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 1:51:42 PM EST
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How did the ship's CO/XO/First Lt not spot it during 'walk arounds' or command tours or whatever it's called today
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Posted: 9/4/2024 1:55:43 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How did the ship's CO/XO/First Lt not spot it during 'walk arounds' or command tours or whatever it's called today It was mounted on the weather deck. The uppermost deck of a ship. Probably only accessible via ladder. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 2:02:39 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How did the ship's CO/XO/First Lt not spot it during 'walk arounds' or command tours or whatever it's called today This is the correct question. How the fuck did it go unnoticed. But the navy has a weird culture that senior enlisted and officers can do no wrong, so there's that, sort of a thin deep blue line. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 2:02:45 PM EST
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BIL was posting photos on Facebook on his last cruise, but the Blue Ridge has a lot more bandwidth available I imagine lol. He was careful not to have anything visible other than the railing and the ocean in them, but I was surprised they had general internet access.
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Posted: 9/4/2024 2:06:21 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You're right but you also won't pick up that signal outside of the house once you're 50yd away from the ship and by that point, I'm pretty sure the enemy assets see you Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Even assuming that the wireless encryption was secure, you are still broadcasting either a 2.4 or 5Ghz signal, likely both, constantly. Do you think that maybe, just maybe, enemy assets could detect and track that signal? That's not stupid, that's not giving a shit. You're right but you also won't pick up that signal outside of the house once you're 50yd away from the ship and by that point, I'm pretty sure the enemy assets see you That is not even close to understanding the signals security aspect of this situation. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 2:09:00 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: She is a disgrace to the Navy. She was only busted to E-7? https://i.ibb.co/N72tHGm/IMG-6686.jpg That's 'cause she's "special." 
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Posted: 9/4/2024 2:11:39 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Even assuming that the wireless encryption was secure, you are still broadcasting either a 2.4 or 5Ghz signal, likely both, constantly. Do you think that maybe, just maybe, enemy assets could detect and track that signal? That's not stupid, that's not giving a shit. Wifi isn't the issue. Starlink talks to SATELLITES. Side lobes are a thing. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 2:11:45 PM EST
[#31]
“That’s just how Chiefs are…”
Was told that by a retired O-6 when dealing with a total jack wagon that I was working with. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 2:16:17 PM EST
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Chinese H-6 pilots when they spot the emissions from that thing:
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Posted: 9/4/2024 2:16:46 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wifi isn't the issue. Starlink talks to SATELLITES. Side lobes are a thing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Even assuming that the wireless encryption was secure, you are still broadcasting either a 2.4 or 5Ghz signal, likely both, constantly. Do you think that maybe, just maybe, enemy assets could detect and track that signal? That's not stupid, that's not giving a shit. Wifi isn't the issue. Starlink talks to SATELLITES. Side lobes are a thing. Wifi is actually a rather large part of the issue and tracking devices with known wifi networks is an entire section of signals intelligence. Some of that is prevented with authorized networks, but not all of it. Having a common wifi network for any military unit is a piss poor idea. Even certain federal offices know this, because wifi is banned in their buildings. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 2:20:58 PM EST
[#34]
I think I found the problem here. Women don't belong on combat ships.
"Marrero was relieved in late 2023 after repeatedly misleading and lying to her ship’s command about the Wi-Fi network, and she was convicted at court-martial this spring in connection to the scheme." |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 2:25:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How else is she supposed to do her Onlyfans page  |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 2:27:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She is a disgrace to the Navy. She was only busted to E-7? https://i.ibb.co/N72tHGm/IMG-6686.jpg |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 2:29:52 PM EST
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Can anyone here really fault them for wanting that sweet sweet internet porn? I mean come on....I'd probably do the same.
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Posted: 9/4/2024 2:35:34 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: She is a disgrace to the Navy. She was only busted to E-7? https://i.ibb.co/N72tHGm/IMG-6686.jpg former army? . |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 2:35:41 PM EST
[#39]
The 90s laughs in Challenge Athena...
And by the way, Rank times Intelligence is a constant. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 2:36:47 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you think she was promoted because of her intelligence? Good point . Im going with no . |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 2:38:05 PM EST
[#41]
Quoted: How does one reach such a high rank and yet be so stupid? Then I saw the first post and proven right. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 2:42:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even assuming that the wireless encryption was secure, you are still broadcasting either a 2.4 or 5Ghz signal, likely both, constantly. Do you think that maybe, just maybe, enemy assets could detect and track that signal? That's not stupid, that's not giving a shit. Its dumb but in no way do I think any naval surface vessel is skulking about within 1000mi of China without being seen. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 2:42:58 PM EST
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A command senior chief?
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Posted: 9/4/2024 2:43:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wifi isn't the issue. Starlink talks to SATELLITES. Side lobes are a thing. I've been doing maritime Starlink installs for a while now Several of Starlinks primary operational frequency bands are in the same range as X and S band radar. The Starlink MES is a directional transmitter using beam steering, and most likely transmissions will look indistinguishable from S/X band radar unless you're directly intercepting the transmission beam This is one of the reasons we have a minimum safe distance and angle envelope while deploying starlink near the radar mast There are a bazillion other signatures someone could snoop for indicating there is a USN ship in the vicinity including the known Link-16 bands I'm not saying it isn't dumb to throw your own personal Starlink on a USN ship, but the freakout over it magically advertising the ships very existence is a little over the top |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 2:48:19 PM EST
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So none of the officers or command crew questioned what this piece of equipment was or why it was lashed to the deck on a pallet?
Or were they all in on it? Sounds like a scene from Battlestar Gallactica. We'll just collect radio and radar information and transmit it off the ship with continuously updated GPS coordinates. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 2:54:45 PM EST
[#46]
What a fucking moron
Quote HistoryQuoted: So none of the officers or command crew questioned what this piece of equipment was or why it was lashed to the deck on a pallet? Or were they all in on it? Sounds like a scene from Battlestar Gallactica. We'll just collect radio and radar information and transmit it off the ship with continuously updated GPS coordinates. It's all explained in the article the OP linked. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 2:58:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How else is she supposed to do her Onlyfans page THat made me throw up in my mouth a little. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 3:00:11 PM EST
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Man, does anyone in the Navy actually make it all the way through an assignment without being relieved? It seems their turnover rates are insane vs the other branches.
Now not a navy guy so maybe someone can chime in but historically is all these issues noted over the past few years sort of just normal? Cultural rot? Just way more published now while they used to handle inhouse etc? |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 3:02:49 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: She is a disgrace to the Navy. She was only busted to E-7? https://i.ibb.co/N72tHGm/IMG-6686.jpg She put the whole ship at risk. So what happened to the other conspirators? |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 3:06:28 PM EST
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but some young white male sailor took a picture of his workstation to show his mom and goes to Leavenworth.
Nevermind nobody was in harms way because of his actions. I guess that was his white privilege. |
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