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Posted: 9/4/2024 3:10:57 PM EST
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Shit dude, it’s a female, POC, and probably claimed to be a lesbian… Surprised they didn’t promote her. Being female has nothing to do with it. There were other Chiefs involved too. The breach in discipline and character is alarming. A whole level of senior enlisted leadership is compromised. How did that happen? How far has this breach spread? |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 3:14:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree with you but suspect sex and skin tone played a role. That is false. There were more senior enlisted involved. They weren't all female or the same race, were they? Your prejudice is showing. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 3:15:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What a fucking moron It's all explained in the article the OP linked. Quote HistoryQuoted: What a fucking moron Quoted: So none of the officers or command crew questioned what this piece of equipment was or why it was lashed to the deck on a pallet? Or were they all in on it? Sounds like a scene from Battlestar Gallactica. We'll just collect radio and radar information and transmit it off the ship with continuously updated GPS coordinates. It's all explained in the article the OP linked. That's a lot of reading....I'll wait for the meme summary 
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Posted: 9/4/2024 3:21:32 PM EST
[#4]
I read the whole Navy Times story. I'm a little surprised I didn't see the word "brig". wow.
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Posted: 9/4/2024 3:22:02 PM EST
[#5]
What a dumb bitch
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Posted: 9/4/2024 3:22:38 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Man, does anyone in the Navy actually make it all the way through an assignment without being relieved? It seems their turnover rates are insane vs the other branches. Now not a navy guy so maybe someone can chime in but historically is all these issues noted over the past few years sort of just normal? Cultural rot? Just way more published now while they used to handle inhouse etc? Navy firing leaders on ships for any and all fuck ups is pretty normal. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 3:27:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shit dude, it’s a female, POC, and probably claimed to be a lesbian… Surprised they didn’t promote her. She'll be re-instated. Mark my words. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 3:34:11 PM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: She gets to join the red stripe club now. No more since 2019 https://americanmilitarynews.com/2019/03/gold-for-all-navy-ending-use-of-red-misconduct-uniform-stripes/ |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 3:39:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree with you but suspect sex and skin tone played a role. From one Chief to another, I'd wager you're spot on. There doesn't appear to be a single sliver of integrity in that entire mess. Fucking disgraceful. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 3:42:10 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: She is a disgrace to the Navy. She was only busted to E-7? https://i.ibb.co/N72tHGm/IMG-6686.jpg Good thing she's a strong independent latino woman! Seriously, the entire chief's mess should be put back down to E-6, and she should be out of the navy. There are a lot of perks to be in the mess, but this horseshit isn't one of them. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 3:45:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're right but you also won't pick up that signal outside of the house once you're 50yd away from the ship and by that point, I'm pretty sure the enemy assets see you Quote HistoryQuoted: You're right but you also won't pick up that signal outside of the house once you're 50yd away from the ship and by that point, I'm pretty sure the enemy assets see you Lol, your computer won't. A $300K spectrum analyzer on an aircraft will see you from real far away, especially in open waters devoid of EMS saturation. Quoted: I've been doing maritime Starlink installs for a while now Several of Starlinks primary operational frequency bands are in the same range as X and S band radar. The Starlink MES is a directional transmitter using beam steering, and most likely transmissions will look indistinguishable from S/X band radar unless you're directly intercepting the transmission beam This is one of the reasons we have a minimum safe distance and angle envelope while deploying starlink near the radar mast There are a bazillion other signatures someone could snoop for indicating there is a USN ship in the vicinity including the known Link-16 bands I'm not saying it isn't dumb to throw your own personal Starlink on a USN ship, but the freakout over it magically advertising the ships very existence is a little over the top If you need to go EM dark you can do so and follow your EMCON protocols. I'm pretty sure her starlink isn't part of those protocols. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 3:45:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: . former army? . Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: She is a disgrace to the Navy. She was only busted to E-7? https://i.ibb.co/N72tHGm/IMG-6686.jpg former army? . I see both the ARCOM & AAM but no Army GCM. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 3:51:02 PM EST
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Shitcanned her career and probably her CO's too. What a shitbag.
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Posted: 9/4/2024 3:52:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How did the ship's CO/XO/First Lt not spot it during 'walk arounds' or command tours or whatever it's called today I'm having a bit of trouble looking at that picture and a few others I've found getting a feel for the location. My ETC, eventually ET1, would have had fits if he'd seen that. He was somewhere on the spectrum and not popular because his social and crew member skills were almost non-existent but he'd have gone goofy over the various electronic issues, grounding, bonding, potential interference, security. He'd have had a stroke. But he'd have told me. It doesn't look like an area usually manned. But still close to areas maintained and operated by probably Ops and Weaps personnel. There are a range of antennas and signal flag lines, etc., there. They've changed ratings around but my (then) EWs would have been aware of it as would my comms ETs as they would be maintaining gear in the area. Any visit to a shipyard with maintenance or repair on anything in the area would give it away. I think she's the "fall guy" but didn't read the article so not sure just how extensive the shenanigan ran. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 3:52:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a lot of reading....I'll wait for the meme summary Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What a fucking moron Quoted: So none of the officers or command crew questioned what this piece of equipment was or why it was lashed to the deck on a pallet? Or were they all in on it? Sounds like a scene from Battlestar Gallactica. We'll just collect radio and radar information and transmit it off the ship with continuously updated GPS coordinates. It's all explained in the article the OP linked. That's a lot of reading....I'll wait for the meme summary Summary: entire chief's mess tried to bamboozle all the officers. It worked. Until it didn't.
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Posted: 9/4/2024 3:53:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you think she was promoted because of her intelligence? It surely wasn’t for her looks |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 3:53:52 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Being female has nothing to do with it. There were other Chiefs involved too. The breach in discipline and character is alarming. A whole level of senior enlisted leadership is compromised. How did that happen? How far has this breach spread? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Shit dude, it's a female, POC, and probably claimed to be a lesbian Surprised they didn't promote her. Being female has nothing to do with it. There were other Chiefs involved too. The breach in discipline and character is alarming. A whole level of senior enlisted leadership is compromised. How did that happen? How far has this breach spread? |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 3:56:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is false. There were more senior enlisted involved. They weren't all female or the same race, were they? Your prejudice is showing.  Ok, Galahad. CPO is part of his screename; he knows the deal. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 3:57:09 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: She'll be re-instated. Mark my words. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Shit dude, it's a female, POC, and probably claimed to be a lesbian Surprised they didn't promote her. She'll be re-instated. Mark my words. As a command senior chief? So you think she's going to get promoted again, and selected for that billet again? lol |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 4:01:00 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: She'll be re-instated. Mark my words. Doubt. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 4:07:42 PM EST
[#21]
Electronic transmissions are the primary way to initially acquire a ship in the Pacific
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Posted: 9/4/2024 4:13:07 PM EST
[#22]
It’s the repeated lying and covering up that’s the problem. It’s more palatable that dumbass E-3 would pull some shady shit and attempt to cover their tracks but senior enlisted, E-6 and above for sure, along with any commissioned officers who pull shit like that and lie when caught are beyond being redeemable and are untrustworthy and should immediately be escorted off the ship and right the fuck out of the military. Her DEI status is what probably saved her from what anyone else who has a Y chromosome, is straight and is pigment challenged would get if they’d done the same thing. What a disgrace to my old Navy to keep shitbirds like her around.
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Posted: 9/4/2024 4:20:29 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One would assume, at minimum, they have a nice big switch on the circuit to turn it off as needed. Especially after watching Russians get HIMAR'd based on geolocated social media posts for two years. A more interesting question is why it took that look to get noticed? Most average level corporate IT departments periodically scan for, or the automatically get reports, on rogue wifi. You'd think that would be even easier at sea. Wasn't just them. US assets got located with a fitness tracking program too. Because, that's the military. Someone told them to not do that, so there was no reason to look for it, because that's how it works. Source: guy running the register at my walmart with a ball cap that said SENIOR CHIEF on it Also - he told me that chief world is completely different. Bone china, no lower enlisted, THIS IS CHIEF'S COUNTRY! https://cdrsalamander.substack.com/p/there-is-dysfunction-and-then-theres?r=1vezb7&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 4:32:42 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Even assuming that the wireless encryption was secure, you are still broadcasting either a 2.4 or 5Ghz signal, likely both, constantly. Do you think that maybe, just maybe, enemy assets could detect and track that signal? That's not stupid, that's not giving a shit. Maybe but a litoral ship broadcasts all kinds of RF, they are exactly that stealthy this isn't 1944 anymore. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 4:36:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A command senior chief? Command senior enlisted leader CSEL. That size unit has an E8. If it rated an E9 it would be a command master chief. The senior chief isn’t in command of the unit, The senior chief advises the command and leads the enlisted workforce. Also known as the badge, silver badge or gold badge. Not the same thing as the Chief of the Mess. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 4:36:34 PM EST
[#26]
As I was reading the post, the answer to OP's question became clearer and clearer.
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Posted: 9/4/2024 4:39:24 PM EST
[#27]
Oof. Likely broadcasting ownship GPS position through Starlink as part of the QoS function for Starlink.
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Posted: 9/4/2024 4:39:34 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: She is a disgrace to the Navy. She was only busted to E-7? https://i.ibb.co/N72tHGm/IMG-6686.jpg What a dumb looking guy |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 4:43:58 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Command senior enlisted leader CSEL. That size unit has an E8. If it rated an E9 it would be a command master chief. The senior chief isn’t in command of the unit, The senior chief advises the command and leads the enlisted workforce. Also known as the badge, silver badge or gold badge. Not the same thing as the Chief of the Mess. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A command senior chief? Command senior enlisted leader CSEL. That size unit has an E8. If it rated an E9 it would be a command master chief. The senior chief isn’t in command of the unit, The senior chief advises the command and leads the enlisted workforce. Also known as the badge, silver badge or gold badge. Not the same thing as the Chief of the Mess. Coming from squadron life with a command master chief, it seemed strange that there would be smaller units that would have their own CSEL at E8. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 4:54:45 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe but a litoral ship broadcasts all kinds of RF, they are exactly that stealthy this isn't 1944 anymore. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Even assuming that the wireless encryption was secure, you are still broadcasting either a 2.4 or 5Ghz signal, likely both, constantly. Do you think that maybe, just maybe, enemy assets could detect and track that signal? That's not stupid, that's not giving a shit. Maybe but a litoral ship broadcasts all kinds of RF, they are exactly that stealthy this isn't 1944 anymore. Yes and no They currently emit, if there are indication and warning of war with a peer advisory, they go to receive only. Non-terrestrial ISR makes hiding harder but with the vastness of the Pacific the primary cueing to look at an area is electronic emissions |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 5:02:31 PM EST
[#31]
Bone-headed group idiocy.
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Posted: 9/4/2024 5:06:18 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh I had my starlink with me while deployed to eastern Europe. Sure, not Navy but you think the Navy would have a way to provide internet access while at sea. That ship has several ways to provide internet access at sea. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 5:07:16 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is the correct question. How the fuck did it go unnoticed. But the navy has a weird culture that senior enlisted and officers can do no wrong, so there's that, sort of a thin deep blue line. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How did the ship's CO/XO/First Lt not spot it during 'walk arounds' or command tours or whatever it's called today This is the correct question. How the fuck did it go unnoticed. But the navy has a weird culture that senior enlisted and officers can do no wrong, so there's that, sort of a thin deep blue line. On what planet? |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 5:08:46 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think I found the problem here. Women don't belong on combat ships. "Marrero was relieved in late 2023 after repeatedly misleading and lying to her ship’s command about the Wi-Fi network, and she was convicted at court-martial this spring in connection to the scheme." You're gonna have a hard time making that make any sense unless you can somehow make the hordes of male COs, XOs, and CMCs who have been relieved of command for misconduct of similar or worse nature irrelevant. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 5:09:28 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A command senior chief? That's what they have in squadrons and on LCS. I don't think any other ships have them. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 5:09:46 PM EST
[#36]
Spoiled brats
My first cruise in 94 we had things old school. Letters with a 2 week delivery time. International calls when we hit a port. 2nd cruise in 96, ATT came and installed sat based pay phones at $5 a minute. 2 phones for about 5000 people. The khakis had their own phone so they didnt have to wait as much. We also got this newfangled thing called email.  Most of my shop was clueless how that worked. Being a nerd with BBS experience I jumped on that immediately. It was censored but way more convenient than snail mail. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 5:10:05 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been doing maritime Starlink installs for a while now Several of Starlinks primary operational frequency bands are in the same range as X and S band radar. The Starlink MES is a directional transmitter using beam steering, and most likely transmissions will look indistinguishable from S/X band radar unless you're directly intercepting the transmission beam This is one of the reasons we have a minimum safe distance and angle envelope while deploying starlink near the radar mast There are a bazillion other signatures someone could snoop for indicating there is a USN ship in the vicinity including the known Link-16 bands I'm not saying it isn't dumb to throw your own personal Starlink on a USN ship, but the freakout over it magically advertising the ships very existence is a little over the top Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wifi isn't the issue. Starlink talks to SATELLITES. Side lobes are a thing. I've been doing maritime Starlink installs for a while now Several of Starlinks primary operational frequency bands are in the same range as X and S band radar. The Starlink MES is a directional transmitter using beam steering, and most likely transmissions will look indistinguishable from S/X band radar unless you're directly intercepting the transmission beam This is one of the reasons we have a minimum safe distance and angle envelope while deploying starlink near the radar mast There are a bazillion other signatures someone could snoop for indicating there is a USN ship in the vicinity including the known Link-16 bands I'm not saying it isn't dumb to throw your own personal Starlink on a USN ship, but the freakout over it magically advertising the ships very existence is a little over the top We can turn all those off. Hard to turn something off if the EW team doesn't know it's installed. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 5:10:42 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Man, does anyone in the Navy actually make it all the way through an assignment without being relieved? It seems their turnover rates are insane vs the other branches. Now not a navy guy so maybe someone can chime in but historically is all these issues noted over the past few years sort of just normal? Cultural rot? Just way more published now while they used to handle inhouse etc? This is all pretty normal, the Navy just publishes it. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 5:10:44 PM EST
[#39]
Always look like well fed heifers
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Posted: 9/4/2024 5:11:28 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: She put the whole ship at risk. So what happened to the other conspirators? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: She is a disgrace to the Navy. She was only busted to E-7? https://i.ibb.co/N72tHGm/IMG-6686.jpg She put the whole ship at risk. So what happened to the other conspirators? They all went to Admiral's mast, they all got some level of punishment, probably nearly all of them will be removed from the Navy at the next continuation board in the following year. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 5:11:54 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Man, does anyone in the Navy actually make it all the way through an assignment without being relieved? It seems their turnover rates are insane vs the other branches. Now not a navy guy so maybe someone can chime in but historically is all these issues noted over the past few years sort of just normal? Cultural rot? Just way more published now while they used to handle inhouse etc? |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 5:11:59 PM EST
[#42]
Bust her to E1, and make her produce new unclassified-only continuous learning electronic warfare and information security training classes that no one will ever watch. For years on end.
Kharn |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 5:12:44 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good thing she's a strong independent latino woman! Seriously, the entire chief's mess should be put back down to E-6, and she should be out of the navy. There are a lot of perks to be in the mess, but this horseshit isn't one of them. I'm sure she is out of the Navy already, and the rest of them will follow as soon as next year's continuation board results come out. NJP as a Chief is a kiss of death. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 5:13:59 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm having a bit of trouble looking at that picture and a few others I've found getting a feel for the location. My ETC, eventually ET1, would have had fits if he'd seen that. He was somewhere on the spectrum and not popular because his social and crew member skills were almost non-existent but he'd have gone goofy over the various electronic issues, grounding, bonding, potential interference, security. He'd have had a stroke. But he'd have told me. It doesn't look like an area usually manned. But still close to areas maintained and operated by probably Ops and Weaps personnel. There are a range of antennas and signal flag lines, etc., there. They've changed ratings around but my (then) EWs would have been aware of it as would my comms ETs as they would be maintaining gear in the area. Any visit to a shipyard with maintenance or repair on anything in the area would give it away. I think she's the "fall guy" but didn't read the article so not sure just how extensive the shenanigan ran. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How did the ship's CO/XO/First Lt not spot it during 'walk arounds' or command tours or whatever it's called today I'm having a bit of trouble looking at that picture and a few others I've found getting a feel for the location. My ETC, eventually ET1, would have had fits if he'd seen that. He was somewhere on the spectrum and not popular because his social and crew member skills were almost non-existent but he'd have gone goofy over the various electronic issues, grounding, bonding, potential interference, security. He'd have had a stroke. But he'd have told me. It doesn't look like an area usually manned. But still close to areas maintained and operated by probably Ops and Weaps personnel. There are a range of antennas and signal flag lines, etc., there. They've changed ratings around but my (then) EWs would have been aware of it as would my comms ETs as they would be maintaining gear in the area. Any visit to a shipyard with maintenance or repair on anything in the area would give it away. I think she's the "fall guy" but didn't read the article so not sure just how extensive the shenanigan ran. She lied directly to the CO about it multiple times. I'm sure others were involved, but she's not a "fall guy" in this. Not to mention the fact she's supposed to be the leader of the Mess. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 5:14:18 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Doubt. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: She'll be re-instated. Mark my words. Doubt. Absolutely not. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 5:16:10 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Coming from squadron life with a command master chief, it seemed strange that there would be smaller units that would have their own CSEL at E8. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: A command senior chief? Command senior enlisted leader CSEL. That size unit has an E8. If it rated an E9 it would be a command master chief. The senior chief isn’t in command of the unit, The senior chief advises the command and leads the enlisted workforce. Also known as the badge, silver badge or gold badge. Not the same thing as the Chief of the Mess. Coming from squadron life with a command master chief, it seemed strange that there would be smaller units that would have their own CSEL at E8. It's only been around for about ten years or so I think. CSC is a rating just like CMC now. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 5:18:22 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's only been around for about ten years or so I think. CSC is a rating just like CMC now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: A command senior chief? Command senior enlisted leader CSEL. That size unit has an E8. If it rated an E9 it would be a command master chief. The senior chief isn’t in command of the unit, The senior chief advises the command and leads the enlisted workforce. Also known as the badge, silver badge or gold badge. Not the same thing as the Chief of the Mess. Coming from squadron life with a command master chief, it seemed strange that there would be smaller units that would have their own CSEL at E8. It's only been around for about ten years or so I think. CSC is a rating just like CMC now. That explains it. Thanks. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 5:18:59 PM EST
[#48]
Saw a guy in the army get busted for lying about a ranger tab (wore it, didnt earn it), he was previously at ranger regiment...got busted from e6 to e5...within a month cheated on a pt test, go reassigned to a different platoon and got e6 back within the year. Similar last name to this individual...
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Posted: 9/4/2024 5:22:31 PM EST
[#49]
Basically all lower enlisted sailors are up to some shenanigans or another.
Upper enlisted folks were once lower enlisted folks who never got caught By the time you hit CPO, you're either really good at it, or mostly knocked it off. It's about a 50/50 split. I'm guessing she lied to most the rest of the Mess about it being approved, which is why they played along with it. |
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Posted: 9/4/2024 5:24:45 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Even assuming that the wireless encryption was secure, you are still broadcasting either a 2.4 or 5Ghz signal, likely both, constantly. Do you think that maybe, just maybe, enemy assets could detect and track that signal? That's not stupid, that's not giving a shit. She created a tracking device for ships movement, allowed unfiltered communications with the entire world and lied to her command and she lost one rank. Meanwhile a senior officer shoots a rifle with a backward scope and is relieved of command. So when your kid wants to join the military, remember this. |
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