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Posted: 1/6/2019 12:29:52 PM EDT
[#1]
Pregnant women in the military. What a disgrace
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Posted: 1/6/2019 12:30:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The first thing this SMA has done that doesn't make sense OR help the lower enlisted... IMO. Other than being a LEG Ranger, which doesn't exist  |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 12:36:07 PM EDT
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that has to be a big oh crap moment when they won't watch your kid again. I am glad to see you helped those folks not get court martialed.....you would think those commanders would understand how to play the game. When I left the Army in the mid 2000s, an officer normally spent 12 months as a platoon leader and then got whisked off to fill a Captain's job on battalion staff, got promoted to Captain at 3 years, and went straight to company command from their Officer Advanced Course. So now the person is 25-26yo and has 3.5-4 years experience, with very little of it actually leading/managing troops. That's a recipe for someone who is very inexperienced and immature as a company commander, and becomes a commander who either listens too much or not at all to his senior NCO advisors. Interestingly, within the limits of my experience and speaking directly to that early-to-mid-2000s experience, I found the male commanders either were good or tended to listen too much to their NCOs, but nearly all the female commanders were know-it-alls who wouldn't listen to any advice from anyone. Oh, they'd ask for advice, then argue with you to tell you why your advice was wrong. I suspect the females were that way because they had received heaps of praise for meeting the standard and thus thought they were infallible. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 12:36:44 PM EDT
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I got a question. Let’s says you are a woman in the army. U get preggers You have the baby Who then watched the baby? |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 12:37:45 PM EDT
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That is the maternity version, a big seller. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 12:44:53 PM EDT
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It blows my mind that there’s actually a specific uniform for pregnant women.
Are pregnant women exempted for PT requirements? In the interest of equality, shouldn’t men be able to get 9-month periods of special uniforms and reduced requirements/duties? |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 12:46:12 PM EDT
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WTF?!? |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 12:50:29 PM EDT
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It blows my mind that there’s actually a specific uniform for pregnant women.
Are pregnant women exempted for PT requirements? In the interest of equality, shouldn’t men be able to get 9-month periods of special uniforms and reduced requirements/duties? never ever allowed to go more than two days without a hot shower and clean clothes and a guaranteed minimum of 8 (uninterupted) hours of sleep every night...with clean sheets and warm blankets and nutritious snacks and a on-demand cravings quadcopter delivery service. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 12:53:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I suspect the females were that way because they had received heaps of praise for meeting the standard and thus thought they were infallible. Now we’re at a point where babies and mom are an issue with deployment and transgender medical needs are an on going fight. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 12:54:09 PM EDT
[#10]
We don't need another uniform. This not a replacement for the ASU, this is a fucking waste of money and a goddamn disgrace.
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Posted: 1/6/2019 12:56:15 PM EDT
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We don't need another uniform. This not a replacement for the ASU, this is a fucking waste of money and a goddamn disgrace. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 12:56:34 PM EDT
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if you mandate birth control for females then you have to mandate something similar for males. Females are not the only ones fucking or getting fucked Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wouldn't need a preggo uniform if they would just mandate birth control pills for splittails in service. Want a baby? Not on Uncle Sam's time. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 12:56:49 PM EDT
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when I entered the Army in the early 1990s, an officer normally didn't become a company commander until year 7 of service. He/she would have four years as a 2LT/1LT at the company level with at least 2 years as a platoon leader and a year as a company executive officer (2nd in command). Then he/she would pin on Captain, go to their branch's Officer Advanced Course, go to a battalion and be a staff officer for a couple of years, then take command. So you're talking about someone approaching 30yo with roughly 7 years as an officer, so he/she would be a lot more seasoned, experienced, and mature. When I left the Army in the mid 2000s, an officer normally spent 12 months as a platoon leader and then got whisked off to fill a Captain's job on battalion staff, got promoted to Captain at 3 years, and went straight to company command from their Officer Advanced Course. So now the person is 25-26yo and has 3.5-4 years experience, with very little of it actually leading/managing troops. That's a recipe for someone who is very inexperienced and immature as a company commander, and becomes a commander who either listens too much or not at all to his senior NCO advisors. Interestingly, within the limits of my experience and speaking directly to that early-to-mid-2000s experience, I found the male commanders either were good or tended to listen too much to their NCOs, but nearly all the female commanders were know-it-alls who wouldn't listen to any advice from anyone. Oh, they'd ask for advice, then argue with you to tell you why your advice was wrong. I suspect the females were that way because they had received heaps of praise for meeting the standard and thus thought they were infallible. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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that has to be a big oh crap moment when they won't watch your kid again. I am glad to see you helped those folks not get court martialed.....you would think those commanders would understand how to play the game. When I left the Army in the mid 2000s, an officer normally spent 12 months as a platoon leader and then got whisked off to fill a Captain's job on battalion staff, got promoted to Captain at 3 years, and went straight to company command from their Officer Advanced Course. So now the person is 25-26yo and has 3.5-4 years experience, with very little of it actually leading/managing troops. That's a recipe for someone who is very inexperienced and immature as a company commander, and becomes a commander who either listens too much or not at all to his senior NCO advisors. Interestingly, within the limits of my experience and speaking directly to that early-to-mid-2000s experience, I found the male commanders either were good or tended to listen too much to their NCOs, but nearly all the female commanders were know-it-alls who wouldn't listen to any advice from anyone. Oh, they'd ask for advice, then argue with you to tell you why your advice was wrong. I suspect the females were that way because they had received heaps of praise for meeting the standard and thus thought they were infallible. Maturity takes time. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 1:00:53 PM EDT
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Could this not be part of the pc agenda I was talking about? Tag, the corners yours.. Now we’re at a point where babies and mom are an issue with deployment and transgender medical needs are an on going fight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I suspect the females were that way because they had received heaps of praise for meeting the standard and thus thought they were infallible. Now we’re at a point where babies and mom are an issue with deployment and transgender medical needs are an on going fight. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 1:05:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: special diets and massages never ever allowed to go more than two days without a hot shower and clean clothes and a guaranteed minimum of 8 (uninterupted) hours of sleep every night...with clean sheets and warm blankets and nutritious snacks and a on-demand cravings quadcopter delivery service. 
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Posted: 1/6/2019 1:09:25 PM EDT
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It blows my mind that there’s actually a specific uniform for pregnant women.
Are pregnant women exempted for PT requirements? In the interest of equality, shouldn’t men be able to get 9-month periods of special uniforms and reduced requirements/duties? |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 1:09:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: special diets and massages never ever allowed to go more than two days without a hot shower and clean clothes and a guaranteed minimum of 8 (uninterupted) hours of sleep every night...with clean sheets and warm blankets and nutritious snacks and a on-demand cravings quadcopter delivery service. Im not military but I'm guessing some of that is true. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 1:11:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/6/2019 1:21:34 PM EDT
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She looks preggo |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 1:29:25 PM EDT
[#20]
Gee, didn't they have a uniform that looked like that in 1945? Except that enlisted didn't have khaki trousers.
When's the last time that the Marines made a major change to their uniforms. Okay, chicks are now or soon will be dressing like men but other than that. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 1:30:40 PM EDT
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I have yet to have an answer to the question "what benefit does the military get for having women in service" that doesn't include the terms "diversity" "inclusion" "opportunity" or some other term in that vein. Even women realize there is no up side to the mission of killing people and breaking things by adding chicks to the mix. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 1:34:38 PM EDT
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Those uniforms look sharp (other than MAJ Preggo) but they look a lot like they are ripping off the USMC uniform. I am curious what our resident Marines think of it. /arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-mco.s3.amazonaws.com/public/RQCPSQ4CFZE77A2YPLWECDJTTE.jpg)
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Posted: 1/6/2019 1:40:34 PM EDT
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when I entered the Army in the early 1990s, an officer normally didn't become a company commander until year 7 of service. He/she would have four years as a 2LT/1LT at the company level with at least 2 years as a platoon leader and a year as a company executive officer (2nd in command). Then he/she would pin on Captain, go to their branch's Officer Advanced Course, go to a battalion and be a staff officer for a couple of years, then take command. So you're talking about someone approaching 30yo with roughly 7 years as an officer, so he/she would be a lot more seasoned, experienced, and mature. When I left the Army in the mid 2000s, an officer normally spent 12 months as a platoon leader and then got whisked off to fill a Captain's job on battalion staff, got promoted to Captain at 3 years, and went straight to company command from their Officer Advanced Course. So now the person is 25-26yo and has 3.5-4 years experience, with very little of it actually leading/managing troops. That's a recipe for someone who is very inexperienced and immature as a company commander, and becomes a commander who either listens too much or not at all to his senior NCO advisors. Interestingly, within the limits of my experience and speaking directly to that early-to-mid-2000s experience, I found the male commanders either were good or tended to listen too much to their NCOs, but nearly all the female commanders were know-it-alls who wouldn't listen to any advice from anyone. Oh, they'd ask for advice, then argue with you to tell you why your advice was wrong. I suspect the females were that way because they had received heaps of praise for meeting the standard and thus thought they were infallible. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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that has to be a big oh crap moment when they won't watch your kid again. I am glad to see you helped those folks not get court martialed.....you would think those commanders would understand how to play the game. When I left the Army in the mid 2000s, an officer normally spent 12 months as a platoon leader and then got whisked off to fill a Captain's job on battalion staff, got promoted to Captain at 3 years, and went straight to company command from their Officer Advanced Course. So now the person is 25-26yo and has 3.5-4 years experience, with very little of it actually leading/managing troops. That's a recipe for someone who is very inexperienced and immature as a company commander, and becomes a commander who either listens too much or not at all to his senior NCO advisors. Interestingly, within the limits of my experience and speaking directly to that early-to-mid-2000s experience, I found the male commanders either were good or tended to listen too much to their NCOs, but nearly all the female commanders were know-it-alls who wouldn't listen to any advice from anyone. Oh, they'd ask for advice, then argue with you to tell you why your advice was wrong. I suspect the females were that way because they had received heaps of praise for meeting the standard and thus thought they were infallible. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 1:41:15 PM EDT
[#24]
That's the maternity uniform.
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Posted: 1/6/2019 1:42:14 PM EDT
[#25]
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Female soldiers getting pregnant should be punishable under UCMJ. All new Soldiers should be unmarried and childless at the time of basic training. They should not be authorized (receive be nefits)to have dependants untill the rank of E-5. That's my opinion as a retired 11B platoon SGT. The French Foreign Legion has a no spouse rule for your first 5 year enlistment. They DGAF even if you are legally married. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 1:44:22 PM EDT
[#26]
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We don't need another uniform. This not a replacement for the ASU, this is a fucking waste of money and a goddamn disgrace. I waited until the last possible moment to buy the new ASU. Never wore it once and now it just sits in the closet next to the old green uniform. One day I'll toss them on to the bonfire like I did my old ACUs. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 1:44:28 PM EDT
[#27]
It's designed to hide pregnancy. Or maybe it is a preventative measure. Aesthetic birth control.
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Posted: 1/6/2019 1:49:54 PM EDT
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That’s definitely the maternity uniform. Aka the pre-deployment female uniform |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 1:55:07 PM EDT
[#29]
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And a Major Preggo at that. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 1:59:54 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm here, and rabidly anti-hormonal birth control, but I'm also ok with excluding women from the military. Sorry I couldn't provide more drama. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 2:02:48 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, there has never been a male enlisted who was unable to complete contractual obligations, due to their condition... |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 2:03:38 PM EDT
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She's pregnant you fucking morons  GD does not beat around the bush.
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Posted: 1/6/2019 2:06:41 PM EDT
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Wouldn't need a preggo uniform if they would just mandate birth control IMPLANTS for splittails in service. Want a baby? Not on Uncle Sam's time.
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Posted: 1/6/2019 2:09:38 PM EDT
[#34]
Yep that is the "I am due for orders and will be deployed, so we better fix that" uniform.
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Posted: 1/6/2019 2:11:02 PM EDT
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Is that a joke?? Im not military but I'm guessing some of that is true. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 2:12:05 PM EDT
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if you mandate BIRTH control for females then you have to mandate something similar for males. Females are not the only ones fucking or getting fucked Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wouldn't need a preggo uniform if they would just mandate birth control pills for splittails in service. Want a baby? Not on Uncle Sam's time. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 2:12:30 PM EDT
[#37]
When they put them in foxholes, they will need a lot of sacks.
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Posted: 1/6/2019 2:17:41 PM EDT
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GD does not beat around the bush. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 2:18:21 PM EDT
[#39]
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Damn, that's all fucked up. No wonder you will never answer my question regarding your ability to access your COE via online methods. I ask to see if your account might be messed up as occasionally it happens as per the school certifying official at the school I work at and if that were the case, I could have put you in contact with him to initiate a quick fix. But hey, trying to get a real answer from you is like pulling teeth and since I can't get the answers out of resistant people the way I want, guess you can suffer in silence. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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that has to be a big oh crap moment when they won't watch your kid again. I am glad to see you helped those folks not get court martialed.....you would think those commanders would understand how to play the game. When I left the Army in the mid 2000s, an officer normally spent 12 months as a platoon leader and then got whisked off to fill a Captain's job on battalion staff, got promoted to Captain at 3 years, and went straight to company command from their Officer Advanced Course. So now the person is 25-26yo and has 3.5-4 years experience, with very little of it actually leading/managing troops. That's a recipe for someone who is very inexperienced and immature as a company commander, and becomes a commander who either listens too much or not at all to his senior NCO advisors. Interestingly, within the limits of my experience and speaking directly to that early-to-mid-2000s experience, I found the male commanders either were good or tended to listen too much to their NCOs, but nearly all the female commanders were know-it-alls who wouldn't listen to any advice from anyone. Oh, they'd ask for advice, then argue with you to tell you why your advice was wrong. I suspect the females were that way because they had received heaps of praise for meeting the standard and thus thought they were infallible. Go find someone else to play Imitation Crab Meat with. 
ETA I also point out to you this excerpt from the Addendum to the Code of Conduct: Harassing another member over past threads or posts: Continually following another member around the site to attack another member over posts they have made, is considered harassment and will result in sanctions. The only exception to this rule, is when the original referenced posts are related to the current threads topic. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 2:22:34 PM EDT
[#40]
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That is the maternity version, hero.
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Posted: 1/6/2019 2:23:49 PM EDT
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Does having pregnant women in the military improve readiness and military efficiency?
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Posted: 1/6/2019 2:23:56 PM EDT
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It blows my mind that there’s actually a specific uniform for pregnant women.
Are pregnant women exempted for PT requirements? In the interest of equality, shouldn’t men be able to get 9-month periods of special uniforms and reduced requirements/duties? |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 2:34:53 PM EDT
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Wait, seems the OP is playing fuck fuck games with the photo. Here is the original showing the other female uniform. https://www.armytimes.com/resizer/1g3Yjx4evTQ0XiE4kfzevifjlt0=/600x0/filters:quality(100)/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-mco.s3.amazonaws.com/public/MGM6U3EFL5GUPPFJ66CLOAGW3A.jpg |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 2:41:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I answered that question long ago, you just weren’t happy because you could not understand my reasoning. So now you pathetically cyberstalk me to make your Internet Penis throb. Go find someone else to play Imitation Crab Meat with.
ETA I also point out to you this excerpt from the Addendum to the Code of Conduct: Harassing another member over past threads or posts: Continually following another member around the site to attack another member over posts they have made, is considered harassment and will result in sanctions. The only exception to this rule, is when the original referenced posts are related to the current threads topic. I could have reported you to Site Staff long ago, but perhaps it is better for everyone to see and judge you for your behavior. As for reporting, as I recall you accusing me of being gay/coming out of the closet. While I am not gay and have no problem with people who are, I would say that your accusation is more of a harassment. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 3:10:27 PM EDT
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And transgenders? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The army is for pregnant women. Change my mind. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 3:11:06 PM EDT
[#46]
That’s the maternity uniform
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Posted: 1/6/2019 3:21:19 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes they are, and they have...like 3 or 6 months to get back into standards or something. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 3:22:36 PM EDT
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She looks preggo Both enlisted and officer. At all the 'levels.' |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 3:33:14 PM EDT
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Lol just awesome 
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Posted: 1/6/2019 4:00:51 PM EDT
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Those uniforms look sharp (other than MAJ Preggo) but they look a lot like they are ripping off the USMC uniform. I am curious what our resident Marines think of it. |
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