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Posted: 6/13/2012 6:18:36 PM EST
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No, I'm not. But then again, I used to engines in the 500+ hp range. I've got a ZZ502 crate block built out in the garage that's going in my Vette that's pushing beyond 850 hp. Hell, my wifes 69 Mustang has more horsepower and is faster than that cop car. Hers is running just a FCH shy of 500 hp. Compared to a beat-to-hell Vic they're fast...and they don't seem to get floaty on you at high speeds like the Vic can. Doesn't take much of a bump to unsettle the back end of a Vic. Especially if the rear shocks aren't in good shape. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 6:20:51 PM EST
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http://kentuckystatepolice.org/2012/pressphotos/new_cruiser.jpg The Caprice PPV is a full-size, rear-wheel drive sedan developed exclusively for the U.S. law enforcement market. It features a six liter, 355 horsepower, V-8 engine that provides the high performance needed to meet all of the agency's patrol needs. (Photo by Les Williams, KSP Public Affairs Branch) In other words, it's a fat slow piece of shit. But knowing quite a few cops, it's probably best if that thing is a fat slow piece of shit given how they think they can drive.  You're joking, right? aggressive driving, which in our case included giggle-inducing tail slides and Goodyear-immolating launches. We're thinking the PPV would be an ideal vehicle in which to learn to drift when the sergeant isn't looking. GM is quick to point out that the PPV will deliver 0-60 mph runs in under six seconds , and top whack on its certified speedometer has already been measured at 155 mph. And while we didn't have occasion to repeatedly brutalize the pie-plate-sized four-wheel discs (13.6-inch front / 12.75 rear) or its cop-spec anti-lock calibration, Michigan State Police testing recently found the PPV had a class-leading 125.8-ft. stopping distance from 60 mph. Clearly, the Pontiac G8's performance DNA is still present in this long-wheelbase relative.
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/30/2012-chevrolet-caprice-ppv-first-drive-review/ No, I'm not. But then again, I used to engines in the 500+ hp range. I've got a ZZ502 crate block built out in the garage that's going in my Vette that's pushing beyond 850 hp. Hell, my wifes 69 Mustang has more horsepower and is faster than that cop car. Hers is running just a FCH shy of 500 hp. If these come with the L76, all you have to do is strap a blower on it.... |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 6:23:11 PM EST
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So many ugly cars... 
They could at least reduce the ugliness by painting it the traditional black and white. I hate the black and white paint scheme. LA can keep that shite. We're getting away from that. Not a fan. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 6:23:48 PM EST
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So what you're saying is you're comparing a production fleet car to performance crate engines and built muscle cars. Gotcha.
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http://kentuckystatepolice.org/2012/pressphotos/new_cruiser.jpg The Caprice PPV is a full-size, rear-wheel drive sedan developed exclusively for the U.S. law enforcement market. It features a six liter, 355 horsepower, V-8 engine that provides the high performance needed to meet all of the agency's patrol needs. (Photo by Les Williams, KSP Public Affairs Branch) In other words, it's a fat slow piece of shit. But knowing quite a few cops, it's probably best if that thing is a fat slow piece of shit given how they think they can drive. You're joking, right? aggressive driving, which in our case included giggle-inducing tail slides and Goodyear-immolating launches. We're thinking the PPV would be an ideal vehicle in which to learn to drift when the sergeant isn't looking. GM is quick to point out that the PPV will deliver 0-60 mph runs in under six seconds , and top whack on its certified speedometer has already been measured at 155 mph. And while we didn't have occasion to repeatedly brutalize the pie-plate-sized four-wheel discs (13.6-inch front / 12.75 rear) or its cop-spec anti-lock calibration, Michigan State Police testing recently found the PPV had a class-leading 125.8-ft. stopping distance from 60 mph. Clearly, the Pontiac G8's performance DNA is still present in this long-wheelbase relative.
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/30/2012-chevrolet-caprice-ppv-first-drive-review/ No, I'm not. But then again, I used to engines in the 500+ hp range. I've got a ZZ502 crate block built out in the garage that's going in my Vette that's pushing beyond 850 hp. Hell, my wifes 69 Mustang has more horsepower and is faster than that cop car. Hers is running just a FCH shy of 500 hp. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 6:23:54 PM EST
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Not sure on the "full size"......
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Posted: 6/13/2012 6:26:44 PM EST
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Posted: 6/13/2012 6:28:13 PM EST
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So what you're saying is you're comparing a production fleet car to performance crate engines and built muscle cars. Gotcha. No, what I'm saying is that 355 hp is not that impressive. There were cars made back in the 60's with this kind of power. For an interceptor I'd like to see 450+ hp if they're going to spend their money on something that is supposed to be fast. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 6:31:49 PM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: A new Recruit School started the 9th and is set to graduate Oct. 1st. Most new troopers will be sent to the Saginaw-Flint-Detroit corridor to make up for lacking local law enforcement in those areas. They will be pushing through a few more schools in the next year or so as well. Any jurisdiction issues with going off the state highways, or are you guys pretty much state-wide? Also, here is a video on the restructuring of the MSP and their adoption of the so-called "Regional Policing Model" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN87srZhwsk |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 6:42:04 PM EST
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Wow, I'm sorry OP.
I completely overran this thread.  |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 6:47:14 PM EST
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I've driven one, it will fly.
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Posted: 6/13/2012 6:48:54 PM EST
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So what you're saying is you're comparing a production fleet car to performance crate engines and built muscle cars. Gotcha. No, what I'm saying is that 355 hp is not that impressive. There were cars made back in the 60's with this kind of power. For an interceptor I'd like to see 450+ hp if they're going to spend their money on something that is supposed to be fast. do you really want a bunch of cops driving 4500lb 450+ horsepower cars everywhere? |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 6:55:25 PM EST
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Since we are on the topic...The complete 2012 Michigan State Police police vehicle evaluation.
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/MSP_2012VehicleTestBook_Web_PDF_375491_7.pdf |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 6:58:26 PM EST
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So what you're saying is you're comparing a production fleet car to performance crate engines and built muscle cars. Gotcha. No, what I'm saying is that 355 hp is not that impressive. There were cars made back in the 60's with this kind of power. For an interceptor I'd like to see 450+ hp if they're going to spend their money on something that is supposed to be fast. do you really want a bunch of cops driving 4500lb 450+ horsepower cars everywhere? Todays cops? No. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:10:57 PM EST
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The Charger Rocks! Ford is stupid for abandoning this market, and Chevy is idy-phucin-odic for calling the Pontiac G8 a "caprice'! How fucking GAY! That's almost as bad as Ford calling the new "Falcon" a "Festiva" or "Fiesta", or whatever the fuck they called it. (PUKE!)
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:12:46 PM EST
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The new GM cruiser is a beast, proven LS power in a big way, Holden roots and a chassis, driveline and braking system to round out the package.
Government Motors or not, the package is a winner and simply lays waste to the Chargers and Crown Vics. 
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:16:04 PM EST
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:16:49 PM EST
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Meh, around Louisville they use to pull people over all the time on the Watterson in unmarked V-8 Camaros or Corvettes.
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:20:08 PM EST
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Looking at that make me very glad that we got one of the alst Crown Vics.
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:22:28 PM EST
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Looking at that make me very glad that we got one of the alst Crown Vics. And I got one of the first Chargers! Bring it! You Kentucky bitches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:23:59 PM EST
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I love the vic's, I guess the Caprice will have to grow on me
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:27:34 PM EST
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FAIL Dodge Charger Police package FTW. I'm a firm believer that cops should drive badass cars. 
http://www.allpar.com/photos/dodge/charger/police/charger.jpg http://www.allpar.com/photos/dodge/charger/police/2012.jpg Try these on for size. http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/415197_10150575008672216_114238542215_11179239_1282250339_o.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/gofast11/MSP/Chargerreflection.jpg I'm a Ford guy btw. These guys just can't get away from the gumball. That's the same light setup they were rocking 30 years ago. It's like Police Squad 2012. I dunno. Growing up in Michigan I thought they just looked old fashioned and retarded. Now that I'm getting older, I think they're kinda retro-cool
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:30:56 PM EST
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My favorite Caprice was the old square deals. When I first started they gave me one. I think it was an 89 or 90.
1990 
The next model was ugly as fuck with the rear wheel skirts. thankfully I didnt have one. 1992 
Wagons were kind of kool. Lots of storage and still had balls. 
96 or so was ok. big and fast, but I liked the square model better 1996 
I liked when you could put shit on the hood or trunk or dash and it stayed there. Over all the tahoe wins as my fav work vehicle. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:32:20 PM EST
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They look like shit and I cant imagin them driving anybetter. Derp. It's easily the best handling, best driving cop car available today. The Aussies have the whole sport sedan thing down pat. This. I'm waiting for the Impala SS version of this. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:38:37 PM EST
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http://kentuckystatepolice.org/2012/pressphotos/new_cruiser.jpg The Caprice PPV is a full-size, rear-wheel drive sedan developed exclusively for the U.S. law enforcement market. It features a six liter, 355 horsepower, V-8 engine that provides the high performance needed to meet all of the agency's patrol needs. (Photo by Les Williams, KSP Public Affairs Branch) In other words, it's a fat slow piece of shit. But knowing quite a few cops, it's probably best if that thing is a fat slow piece of shit given how they think they can drive. You're joking, right? aggressive driving, which in our case included giggle-inducing tail slides and Goodyear-immolating launches. We're thinking the PPV would be an ideal vehicle in which to learn to drift when the sergeant isn't looking. GM is quick to point out that the PPV will deliver 0-60 mph runs in under six seconds , and top whack on its certified speedometer has already been measured at 155 mph. And while we didn't have occasion to repeatedly brutalize the pie-plate-sized four-wheel discs (13.6-inch front / 12.75 rear) or its cop-spec anti-lock calibration, Michigan State Police testing recently found the PPV had a class-leading 125.8-ft. stopping distance from 60 mph. Clearly, the Pontiac G8's performance DNA is still present in this long-wheelbase relative.
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/30/2012-chevrolet-caprice-ppv-first-drive-review/ Someone needs to show him what they use these for in austrailia http://www.themercury.com.au/images/uploadedfiles/editorial/pictures/2009/05/26/v8-wide.jpg also is used as a taxi Yeah, that's my boy on the right; Craig Lowndes FTW!! Go 888- Team Vodafone Holden! |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:39:35 PM EST
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The Charger Rocks! Ford is stupid for abandoning this market, and Chevy is idy-phucin-odic for calling the Pontiac G8 a "caprice'! How fucking GAY! That's almost as bad as Ford calling the new "Falcon" a "Festiva" or "Fiesta", or whatever the fuck they called it. (PUKE!) They will be back in the police market soon, as ford has similar sized vehicles suitable that they will introduce as "Police Interceptors" in a year or two that will have upgrades to match the name. Ford is letting Chevy test the waters on the introduction of smaller cruisers vs. themselves. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:43:31 PM EST
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Meh, around Louisville they use to pull people over all the time on the Watterson in unmarked V-8 Camaros or Corvettes. Add to that list Dodge Caravans.
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:51:30 PM EST
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Captive import of a Holden Caprice Statesman. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:53:47 PM EST
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So what you're saying is you're comparing a production fleet car to performance crate engines and built muscle cars. Gotcha. No, what I'm saying is that 355 hp is not that impressive. There were cars made back in the 60's with this kind of power. For an interceptor I'd like to see 450+ hp if they're going to spend their money on something that is supposed to be fast. do you really want a bunch of cops driving 4500lb 450+ horsepower cars everywhere? See my first post.
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:58:35 PM EST
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They're actually pretty peppy...and the interior room on them isn't bad. It's not as much as an Explorer, but it isn't bad. They don't have the Vic's 18 dead hooker trunk capacity, though... If you're talking about the Chevy, they have the same trunk as the Pontiac G8. I could fit a set of skinnies, a set of drag tires, tools, and a jack in my trunk. How much more room do you need? 
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Posted: 6/13/2012 8:00:41 PM EST
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At least they've reduced that "post-menopausal house frau taking a shit on the highway" profile they had back in the 90s. I'm not sure what that means either but it seems accurate in my head. Ford probably still rules. I'm going to assume, with little information, that they made the wrong choice. Ford no longer makes a large, rear drive sedan. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 8:02:54 PM EST
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You would think Kentucky would have better sense than to go Government Motors. Bowling Green, Kentucky? |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 8:03:35 PM EST
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The V8 is fast, real fast. Yeah, I drove one, and had it quickly up to 130 MPH before I backed off. Plenty of accelerator left to go. As far as I know, they are not available to the public. However, they are likely to be sought after on the secondary market. They are going to pull big bucks at Govt. auctions, just like the LS1 Caprice did back in the 90's. Fed. auctions should offer some really clean cars. The Chevy SS will be coming to market in late 2013.It is based on the next generation Commodore (VF). The PPV (Commodore Statesman) is a longer wheelbase version of the Commodore VE. Wait for a C |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 8:03:38 PM EST
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I kinda dig. I like it better than the new ford interceptor i think.
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Posted: 6/13/2012 8:04:17 PM EST
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The V8 is fast, real fast. Yeah, I drove one, and had it quickly up to 130 MPH before I backed off. Plenty of accelerator left to go. As far as I know, they are not available to the public. However, they are likely to be sought after on the secondary market. They are going to pull big bucks at Govt. auctions, just like the LS1 Caprice did back in the 90's. Fed. auctions should offer some really clean cars. The Chevy SS will be coming to market in late 2013.It is based on the next generation Commodore (VF). The PPV (Commodore Statesman) is a longer wheelbase version of the Commodore VE. Wait for a Chevy SS or look for a '08-'09 Pontiac G8GT. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 8:08:32 PM EST
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These are basically the same car as the discontinued Pontiac G8 GT. For the most part. Longer wheelbase and less hp. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 8:08:47 PM EST
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Quoted: Meh, around Louisville they use to pull people over all the time on the Watterson in unmarked V-8 Camaros or Corvettes. They still run 'em. I usually run through there at night and you can usually see 3-4 at a time, handing out receipts for visiting the city. They look dark blue... though I'm sure they have more than the ones I have seen Edit: Camaros... never saw a 'vette |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 8:10:28 PM EST
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So what you're saying is you're comparing a production fleet car to performance crate engines and built muscle cars. Gotcha. No, what I'm saying is that 355 hp is not that impressive. There were cars made back in the 60's with this kind of power. For an interceptor I'd like to see 450+ hp if they're going to spend their money on something that is supposed to be fast. Never going to happen. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 8:13:24 PM EST
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Quoted: No, what I'm saying is that 355 hp is not that impressive. There were cars made back in the 60's with this kind of power. Oh noes, 1960's horsepower with modern emissions, double the fuel economy, and idiot proof reliability. You should be an automotive engineer. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 8:43:31 PM EST
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FAIL Dodge Charger Police package FTW. I'm a firm believer that cops should drive badass cars.
http://www.allpar.com/photos/dodge/charger/police/charger.jpg http://www.allpar.com/photos/dodge/charger/police/2012.jpg Try these on for size. http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/415197_10150575008672216_114238542215_11179239_1282250339_o.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/gofast11/MSP/Chargerreflection.jpg I'm a Ford guy btw. Nice light package. 
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Posted: 6/13/2012 8:59:24 PM EST
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So what you're saying is you're comparing a production fleet car to performance crate engines and built muscle cars. Gotcha. No, what I'm saying is that 355 hp is not that impressive. There were cars made back in the 60's with this kind of power. For an interceptor I'd like to see 450+ hp if they're going to spend their money on something that is supposed to be fast. It's supposed to be fast enough. 355hp will get you going plenty fast. And it's not like they are taking part in a whole lot of 150+mph chases. Those cars are going to spend a lot more time sitting on the side of the road idling then they will going balls out. If they need to chase down someone in a Ferrari, they'll probably opt to call in a helicopter or let it go. It's not worth the risk to the cops, the criminal or the other people on the road. Long term reliability, fuel economy and trunk space are probably more important then top speed when you're buying over a 100 of the things and need them to last a decade. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 9:02:47 PM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: So what you're saying is you're comparing a production fleet car to performance crate engines and built muscle cars. Gotcha. No, what I'm saying is that 355 hp is not that impressive. There were cars made back in the 60's with this kind of power. For an interceptor I'd like to see 450+ hp if they're going to spend their money on something that is supposed to be fast. yeah GROSS not NET always love the myth of the 60s muscle cars That caprice will out run and out accelerate everything but the most high end limited high HP cars of the muscle car era and a department can always get a Charger with a SRT8 set up if they want |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 9:02:54 PM EST
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When in the fuck did they bring back the 6.0L? I want one damn it.
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Posted: 6/13/2012 9:03:21 PM EST
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So am I the only one concerned about the fact police budgets now insist on supplying race cars of sorts for patrol vehicles? Why were police forces able to get by with relatively tame vehicles for nearly a century, but now it seem it has to be the newest, fastest cars they can get? This all being coupled with the fact that high speed chases tend to end horribly anyway for one or both parties. Its like you all will put on the brakes for the country going to hell if you have car porn to distract you.
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Posted: 6/13/2012 9:04:27 PM EST
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Quoted: The Charger Rocks! Ford is stupid for abandoning this market, and Chevy is idy-phucin-odic for calling the Pontiac G8 a "caprice'! How fucking GAY! That's almost as bad as Ford calling the new "Falcon" a "Festiva" or "Fiesta", or whatever the fuck they called it. (PUKE!) Ford has a F150 police package truck. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 10:05:06 PM EST
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So am I the only one concerned about the fact police budgets now insist on supplying race cars of sorts for patrol vehicles? Why were police forces able to get by with relatively tame vehicles for nearly a century, but now it seem it has to be the newest, fastest cars they can get? This all being coupled with the fact that high speed chases tend to end horribly anyway for one or both parties. Its like you all will put on the brakes for the country going to hell if you have car porn to distract you. Police cars have traditionally been full size 4 door sedans with a V8 and rear wheel drive since at least the 1950's. If you haven't noticed, that style of car is NO LONGER MADE. The Caprices, Crown Vics, Impalas, Aspens, St. Regis, etc. are gone from both the Police and civilian markets. Even when Taurus and Lumina Police Package cars were available, the Crown Vic and Caprice still reigned supreme. They are no longer an option. Cars wear out and have to be replaced. Right now, the only options the manufacturers are offering are this new mini Caprice, Dodge Chargers, or truck based SUV's. The manufacturers are the ones selling the "race cars." If they'd keep making the old Caprices and Crown Vics, departments would still be buying them. |
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Posted: 6/14/2012 12:21:34 AM EST
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Quoted: So am I the only one concerned about the fact police budgets now insist on supplying race cars of sorts for patrol vehicles? Why were police forces able to get by with relatively tame vehicles for nearly a century, but now it seem it has to be the newest, fastest cars they can get? This all being coupled with the fact that high speed chases tend to end horribly anyway for one or both parties. Its like you all will put on the brakes for the country going to hell if you have car porn to distract you. The NASCARization of the police?  |
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Posted: 6/14/2012 1:14:43 AM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: At least they've reduced that "post-menopausal house frau taking a shit on the highway" profile they had back in the 90s. I'm not sure what that means either but it seems accurate in my head. Ford probably still rules. I'm going to assume, with little information, that they made the wrong choice. AWD... V6 with 250ish HP... unless you get the turbo which puts out 360 + HP. Sounds like a maintenance nightmare. Oh, yeah, probably. What, don't all cop shops have full time crack mechanics with tuner backgrounds? |
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Posted: 6/14/2012 1:31:06 AM EST
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Could they at least get hands free for there cell phones in these new cruisers? That way I don't have to watch them blow by me (while I am doing 70 in a 65) talking on there cell phones. No they are not going to a call its the same guys leaving the barracks at the same time everyday. I even pass by one of their houses and there is the cruiser sitting in the dway. By the way its illegal for civilians to talk on the cell phones in CT unless I am driving a fire truck, lights and sirens on way to a call no problem talk all you want. Yup same people wrote that law, that wrote the ban on Colts in CT
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Posted: 6/14/2012 1:38:58 AM EST
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I liked when you could put shit on the hood or trunk or dash and it stayed there.
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Posted: 6/14/2012 1:39:21 AM EST
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At least they've reduced that "post-menopausal house frau taking a shit on the highway" profile they had back in the 90s. I'm not sure what that means either but it seems accurate in my head. Ford probably still rules. I'm going to assume, with little information, that they made the wrong choice. AWD... V6 with 250ish HP... unless you get the turbo which puts out 360 + HP. Sounds like a maintenance nightmare. Oh, yeah, probably. What, don't all cop shops have full time crack mechanics with tuner backgrounds? Of course. Nothing but the best.
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