It won't be over until the Left is permanently in power and the Right is dead or in camps waiting for death.

There are more Illegal border jumpers in circulation than there are AR-15's.

What are we doing about that?

Why do a majority of non gun owners get to say anything about gun ownership???

Like abortion???

Red Flag can accomplish the same thing while taking a conservative off the street.

They don’t NEED to ban AR’s.

TC

Is today backwards day?  Breitbart has McConnel saying AWB front and center and NYT saying too late for AWB.  Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!

So ... that means they need to gather them up at a disposal station?

It's never too late to ban anything. Laws are made and laws are broken. If the government does ban AR15's there will be epic non-compliance.

How many people keep a 3D printer at home?

They should be more worried about "sniper rifles".  Those would be far more useful for things.

Facts on the ground.

Mike

They said the same thing about personal computers in 1980.

Enough commies must own them now. MAD principle.

It is low, but its hard to determine the number. AR15s are just "rifles" according to the gov and their statistics.

You can get a baseline by looking at number of rifles manufactured by makers you know only make AR15s.

I dont believe anyone is keeping track of lowers sold so home built ARs are not included in any statistics.

I have also seen a firearms retailer survey from 2011 that said 21% of all reported sales were AR15s.

Only guesses

Years ago there was a design for a microwave weapon made from a microwave oven, I have not seen it for a long time, I don't know if it would work, but I know microwave communication dishes on navy ships would be used to kill seagulls in flight and set small island trees on fire. So the idea of an energy weapon is not to far fetched.
I think a railgun could be done at home, thing what a BB running at 20 or 30 thousand feet per second would do to a target, even limited life the shots it would shoot would mist a target.

Interesting they are now admitting this (while still stating the same old tired lies.)

Here is a link to a PDF doc explaining about the "reminder problem" for existing firearms in face of a ban.

Fordham Law School (direct link to PDF)

This is worth a read as you can pull some arguments against a ban out of it.  Especially the "porous borders" part.

Don’t need one. A drill press and band saw will do.

Well, time to start making AR10s, SCARs, MP5s, and other rifles "commonplace."  Of course, we may have to wait for PSA to bring out an economical version that plebs like us can afford to buy. (AR10s excepted.  They already make those.  We just need to get a lot more of them into circulation.)

Truth is many gun owners would kill you if you tried mass confiscation.

Wow, I have a new respect for PSA.

"and robust licensing systems like those passed in Massachusetts "

Um, it is very rare that you get denied for a license here.
I know of no one with a clean record who has been.

That said, there are towns where the Chief just won't do it.
That really id the only thing "robust" about it.

I have had my LTC A for decades.

My oldest son got both my wife and middle son LTC classes for their birthday (all born in March).

They all went together and applied in their towns of residence (3 different towns about 15 miles apart).

All 3 got their LTC A (unrestricted license to carry) within 30 days.

Fixed that one.

That is an important shift in the narrative if it can be made to stick.

This idea of it being "fringe" is why for years political leftist and talking heads have suggested crap like "confiscation" and "buy backs" because they were under the impression it's doable because they believe normal people don't own such things and only a few fringe people do.

Came from the dupe.

I agree with the premise that there's too much out there to make a ban a viable solution for the left.

And I've been doing my part to ensure that is the case.

I saw this article earlier.

Was going to make a thread.

The motto of this story is...

The anti gunners get smarter. We are stuck on stupid.

This article is supposed to make you "feel" are warm and fuzzy as a gun owner. That's the point. To make you comfortable while they strip away OUR rights.

This one got me

I've never seen or heard of any firearm that "poses harm to humans". That statement is a blatant lie. You could have millions of "military style baby killing racist evil scary black full semi auto weapons of war" sitting in a pile until they decompose and would cause NO harm to ANY human.

This is why we will lose. They (the antis) aren't that stupid. They know we will give up a "little" to save the rest. They come/ask for EVERYTHING in the hopes of only getting SOMETHING. And we fold every fucking time.

Example:
"We want all your guns"
"Well wait, no you can't have them all. But we'll settle for full auto ban"

A few years later.....

"We want all your guns"
"Well wait a minute, you can have (insert one of many things they've blatantly stolen over the years)

Few years after that....

"We want all your guns"
"Well just take the semi autos at least let us keep the rest"

Eventually....
"We want all your guns"

"Wait! You already took them all"!

*Edited to add: The next thing you know, the Dems will be saying "guns for all"! And the repubs will be saying "no! BAN it all now"!
Flip flop motherfuckers. I trust none of them. Nor do I like any of them.
How bout they do their fuckin job. Not infringe our rights. (yep, wishful thinking)

Lol read the comments.  He’s getting thrashed by grabbers

I have had similar conversations, I just got puzzled looks.

I don't think they understand the capability of people that take precision rifles seriously.

Unfortunately, I believe a majority of the country does want an AWB.
There's TONS of gun owners that don't like "assault weapons".

The fight has never been, or will ever be over.

I wouldn't be the least but surprised if that 15 million was just the total number of AR15 lowers manufactured since 2004

ETA: I mean this. I don't know if this is a great way to get a sample - but AR15s are EVERYWHERE. Armslist, gunbroker, local classifieds...

A gun owner with a penchant for saving money by buying ammo in quantity, was once told "nobody needs a thousand rounds ammunition."  He replied, "well, actually I do need it, because in addition to the millions of freedom loving Americans out there, there are about a thousand just like you."

Bingo.

I hope this doesn’t mean they are going after ammo now.

CONCLUSION
Without a commitment to or capacity for eliminating the
existing inventory of private guns, the supply-side ideal and
regulations based on it cannot be taken seriously. It is best to
acknowledge the blocking power of the remainder and adjust our
gun control regulations and goals to that reality. Policymakers who
continue to press legislation grounded on the supply-side ideal while
disclaiming the goal of prohibition are deluded or pandering.

Maybe they're confusing the (totally phoney) number of illegal aliens that are in the U.S.?

From the comments.

"Todd Kenneth Dwyer
Santa Clara, California6h ago
Times Pick
Ban all semiautomatic rifles, pistols and shotguns; only revolvers, bolt-action rifles and double-barrel shotguns would be legal.

Offer twice the MSRP of any newly banned weapon ($2K for an AR or AK; same for a high-end semi-auto pistol or rifle).  If there are 15-million AR/AK platforms, that would work out to $30-billion (how much did we spend on the Iraq war)?

The folks who own these things -- in the bush-belt, the bubba-belt, the bible-belt, the venison-belt, the fenatnyl belt -- they could probably use the cash to buy/replace all their banned weapons with some really nice hunting rifles, revolvers and shotguns, and still come away with lots of money in their pocket.

Bolt-action rifles, revolvers and double-barrel shotguns don't take high-capacity magazines; after two, four or six shots, you need to reload.  No bolt-action rifle, revolver or double-barrel shotguns are capable of producing the kind of carnage we've seen in Columbine, Orlando, Sandy Hook, Las Vegas, El Paso or Dayton.

And here's the beauty of it: nobody's right to keep and bear arms would be infringed.  People would be prevented from buying and/or owning semiautomatic firearms the same way they are prevented from buying or owning hand grenades, mortars and Stinger surface-to-air missiles.

There would be a one-year grace period to sell the newly banned guns back.  After that time, you face time.

Common sense gun control -- what's wrong with that?"

"David Wiswell
USA6h ago
Times Pick
We as a nation cured ourselves of slavery, at great cost and with residual problems but we did it.  We can cure ourselves of this blood lust by calling out these weapons for what they are and expressing our disgust as a society for those without the moral courage to act decisively to get these murder weapons out of our society.  We should no longer tolerate the very idea of supporting weapons for mass murder, it should become as repugnant as child sexual abuse, just totally unacceptable in civil society."

"Michael Barr
Athens, OhioAug. 9
Times Pick
Sure, military style weapons will be here in the long term.  But outlawing their manufacturing and promoting buy-back programs can make a significant dent in their numbers. That alone will save lives.

And sure, cultural changes are needed too.  Remember when smoking cigarettes was considered "cool?"  Then it wasn't, and rates dropped markedly.  What if the same thing happened with guns?

For instance, if women refused to date men who are
gun-focused (that would include all who have assault type weapons). That might help.  Let's face it: the shooters are overwhelmingly male.  These gun guys typically have arsenals and often wouldn't think about leaving home without "packing heat." Shun them.  Yes, it's no magic bullet, but it might prevent a few tragedies."

The Left has realized that banning evil features, like they did with the AWB, doesn't work.

The new strategy is to restrict ownership of firearms instead. The whole RFL bullshit is the first step in that process. Once they gain the power to deny gun ownership at will, without a crime having been committed, they'll move on to the next infringement.

And then the next.

And then another, and so on...

Jesus, for once the NYT said something I agree with.

<---Faints.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/We-already-have-a-Red-flag-law-the-Baker-act-There-is-no-need-for-a-red-flag-law-/5-2245191/

It's good to see some on the left waking up.

The numbers don't seem right. It HAS to be more than 15 million. Hell, I have so many lowers laying around, I can't even remember where they all are.
So look at it this way...how many 4473's do you fill out when you buy more than one lower at a time? I've never filled out more than one form.
Are they counting transfers or complete rifle sales? Are they even counting receivers? What about 80% lowers? Hell we have a member here cranking 50 of the fuckers out in a night using a mold made of lego's!

The ONLY way they are going to win is via a 1000 cuts. Universal Background checks. State by state bullshit like ammo carding/ limitations. Mental health/ RFL bullshit. Another AWB will not work and confiscation will get really ugly, really fast.
A buyback will be a joke.

In before he’s declared a pariah by his peers for showing some common sense.

Fuckin’ A.  No kidding.

Holy shit!

We're screwed if the left starts saying and doing stuff that actually makes sense.

Yup, there are already ways to control dangerous people. RFL is about denying gun ownership to a much broader group of people.

So, just for perspective, what are the involuntarily civil mental health commitment laws like there?

Wow! A rational article from an anti gun author!!!

I can say, I honestly don't know anyone that owns just one AR so take one, I pick another one up and use it, then throw in the magazines and the tens of thousands of rounds that many of us own...shit they have no chance at even making a dent in our stockpiles.

Just the trillions of rounds of ammo, come on, do they really think they can shut us down?

Besides the guns I have already built, the number of lowers, both 80% and stripped here as well as LPK's, uppers barrels and BCG's, If I really wanted to work hard, I could replace what I have in about 12 hours and be right back out there, that genie has left the bottle a long time ago and that bitch is not going to get back into the bottle.

I actually can't think of a rifle that is more in "common use" than an AR-15. It represents probably 80% of the rifles I see at the range.