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Posted: 1/2/2022 3:38:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So S&W version of the 938? |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 3:39:36 PM EDT
[#2]
An FFL I work with looked up his price.
$479 but it's preorder only right now. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 3:40:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI don't YouTube gun dweeb. What's he say about the trigger? Straight pull? Good/bad? |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 4:13:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/2/2022 4:23:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bet on it. It's the way to generate continuous media buzz and sales. It's not just a "gun" thing either. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Huh, curious at first now I want one kinda worried in 6 months a rail version will be released and then a RDS ready version Bet on it. It's the way to generate continuous media buzz and sales. It's not just a "gun" thing either. in fairness, if they said "hey we're releasing this model now and an upgraded one in 6 months if you like this!" they'd be eating into their own sales. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 4:26:44 PM EDT
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Looks like something midcap would love.
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Posted: 1/2/2022 4:37:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven’t seen anything that indicates whether the trigger is or is not a true 1911 style. Everything so far still seems to indicate a straight-back pull, but nothing explicit yet. Unless you’ve seen something else you have a link to? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not a true 1911 trigger?? And so the reason to replace the Sig P365 or Springfield Hellcat except just to buy a new toy?  I haven’t seen anything that indicates whether the trigger is or is not a true 1911 style. Everything so far still seems to indicate a straight-back pull, but nothing explicit yet. Unless you’ve seen something else you have a link to? Kind of doubt it can have a 1911 trigger with a dingus built into the trigger. Just can't get excited about another P365/Hellcat runner-up without something special. Put a 1911 trigger, or make it in 10mm, .40 or 357Sig and I'm in!! (God, not another 9mm. Worse is a slow as shit .45 almost falling out of a midget barrel when S&W introduces that cal next.) If none of you other guys has ever tried a crisp 4lb-5lb 1911 trigger, you need to check it out. There's nothing like it!!!!  Over 20 years I've accepted my Glocks and P365 triggers which are OK, but I would welcome a new 10 round 9mm sub-compact just for a true 1911 trigger.I'm out of here before I really piss you guys off. 
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Posted: 1/2/2022 4:41:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So I'm gonna assume you don't think a 2011 is a copy of a 1911? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Copy of the star BM So I'm gonna assume you don't think a 2011 is a copy of a 1911?  Word have meaning |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 5:15:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kind of doubt it can have a 1911 trigger with a dingus built into the trigger. Just can't get excited about another P365/Hellcat runner-up without something special. Put a 1911 trigger, or make it in 10mm, .40 or 357Sig and I'm in!! (God, not another 9mm. Worse is a slow as shit .45 almost falling out of a midget barrel when S&W introduces that cal next.) If none of you other guys has ever tried a crisp 4lb-5lb 1911 trigger, you need to check it out. There's nothing like it!!!! Over 20 years I've accepted my Glocks and P365 triggers which are OK, but I would welcome a new 10 round 9mm sub-compact just for a true 1911 trigger.I'm out of here before I really piss you guys off. Hudson had a 1911 straight-back trigger with dingus in the H9:  They had other issues, but the trigger wasn’t one of them. No reason S&W couldn’t have done it on this new pistol |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 5:19:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: in fairness, if they said "hey we're releasing this model now and an upgraded one in 6 months if you like this!" they'd be eating into their own sales. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Huh, curious at first now I want one kinda worried in 6 months a rail version will be released and then a RDS ready version Bet on it. It's the way to generate continuous media buzz and sales. It's not just a "gun" thing either. in fairness, if they said "hey we're releasing this model now and an upgraded one in 6 months if you like this!" they'd be eating into their own sales. no doubt Im not mad Im trying to decide how mad I'm going to be at myself |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 5:22:28 PM EDT
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I like the frame. I like the size. That trigger has aids. No optics cut.
6.8/10 |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 5:33:27 PM EDT
[#12]
Neat. Not for me
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Posted: 1/2/2022 5:36:28 PM EDT
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So, it’s bigger, heavier, and holds fewer rounds than a Sig P365, while managing to have a shorter sight radius and no option for RDS?
I guess it’s SA and hammer fired, but unless the trigger is 1911 crisp, does that matter? I guess I’m just not seeing the ‘why’ for this pistol. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 5:44:34 PM EDT
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No optic cut, no light mount.
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Posted: 1/2/2022 6:05:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, it’s bigger, heavier, and holds fewer rounds than a Sig P365, while managing to have a shorter sight radius and no option for RDS? I guess it’s SA and hammer fired, but unless the trigger is 1911 crisp, does that matter? I guess I’m just not seeing the ‘why’ for this pistol. It's not too difficult to make most hammer fired triggers very crisp. Whether it comes out of the box that way remains to be seen. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 6:06:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI don't get to post these often enough.   
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Posted: 1/2/2022 6:13:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 9mm Luger? Excellent. No it’s in 9mm Largo |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 6:20:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn, I might have to come back to S&W. CZ doesn't have browning pattern carry guns with OEM flat triggers (just high end comp guns) so this is very attractive. @czecherds what about a cz75b SAO? I just picked it up and it has a flat trigger OEM  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 6:35:41 PM EDT
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7 lb trigger per mr fancy
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Posted: 1/2/2022 6:43:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, it’s bigger, heavier, and holds fewer rounds than a Sig P365, while managing to have a shorter sight radius and no option for RDS? I guess it’s SA and hammer fired, but unless the trigger is 1911 crisp, does that matter? I guess I’m just not seeing the ‘why’ for this pistol. The beauty about having these choices, there is no why. There's only not for you if it's not your thing. Obviously it's not for you and nobody has to explain why it's for them. At least there's options to choose from and that's a good thing. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 6:50:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryRight click, save. Right click, save. Right click, save… |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 7:24:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, it's bigger, heavier, and holds fewer rounds than a Sig P365, while managing to have a shorter sight radius and no option for RDS? I guess it's SA and hammer fired, but unless the trigger is 1911 crisp, does that matter? I guess I'm just not seeing the 'why' for this pistol. |
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Posted: 1/3/2022 4:04:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Star model BM and the old S&W autos had great triggers. It can be done. Not directed at you, but there's way too much talk about trigger pulls here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm am M&P fan (but own and like 1911s). I don't see what the point is if they didn't replicate the amazing trigger of the 1911. The Star model BM and the old S&W autos had great triggers. It can be done. Not directed at you, but there's way too much talk about trigger pulls here. 
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Posted: 1/3/2022 2:44:17 PM EDT
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I’m really not one for microcompact pistols. This design would have a lot of potential if they expanded it to a 4” compact and 5” fullsize though. That would certainly be interesting
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Posted: 1/3/2022 4:17:01 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: An FFL I work with looked up his price. $479 but it's preorder only right now. Interesting |
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Posted: 1/3/2022 5:09:04 PM EDT
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It reminds me of the Spainish Star line of single action auto that where kind of 1911 ish design in the 80s and 90s.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Firestar_M43 
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Posted: 1/3/2022 5:26:53 PM EDT
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I am a huge S&W fan, I own more of their guns than any other single manufacturer. Not sure if I am interested in this?
The smallest gun I can shoot fast and accurately is my Shield. I have an LCP in .380, it's so small I can hit with it, but definitely slower than the Shield. I shoot the G26 similar. The grip isn't long enough for me. The shield is perfect, for me. |
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Posted: 1/3/2022 5:38:37 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It reminds me of the Spainish Star line of single action auto that where kind of 1911 ish design in the 80s and 90s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Firestar_M43 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Star_M43_Firestar.jpg/1280px-Star_M43_Firestar.jpg 
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Posted: 1/3/2022 5:41:15 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting My LGS released them today. $580 |
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Posted: 1/3/2022 11:23:47 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No optic cut, no light mount. No problem, at least for me. For myself, I don't want either of those on a subcompact carry weapon. If I'm going for small, I want small and clean, without extra items hanging off of it. Nightstand or HD weapon is a different story... different job, different tool. YMMV of course. Choices are good. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 12:10:41 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I like the frame. I like the size. That trigger has aids. No optics cut. 6.8/10 -2 for playing glock games with gen 1 model |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 12:10:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I kinda like it….. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 2:00:20 PM EDT
[#33]
Just messed with one an hour ago. Trigger was nice, slide seemed really easy to rack, had good weight, and it fit my hand better than my P365X. I definitely like it, but I’ll hold off til next year when they release the slide cut/railed version.
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Posted: 1/4/2022 8:55:26 PM EDT
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I’m all for new designs, but I like variety
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Posted: 1/6/2022 9:42:40 AM EDT
[#35]
 The NEW Smith & Wesson CSX Review: What is it? Interesting.. it's actually lighter than a Shield and holds more rounds. James liked it, however no night sights and not milled for optic (no rail either). I'm sure an aftermarket option for night sights will be available, but SIG includes them on their 365XL, and prices look to be roughly the same for the two. He would have preferred the trigger to be a little lighter (just over 5 lbs on his model), but again that's something you can tweak later with springs or something. |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 11:15:31 AM EDT
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First time I saw a pic I thought they had resurrected the Star Firestar.
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Posted: 1/6/2022 11:45:38 AM EDT
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Would like to get my hands on one even though I just bought a P365. Could be a buy.
Count me in for liking that it doesn't have a rail and not caring about an optics cut. |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 11:49:11 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It reminds me of the Spainish Star line of single action auto that where kind of 1911 ish design in the 80s and 90s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Firestar_M43 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Star_M43_Firestar.jpg/1280px-Star_M43_Firestar.jpg Very similar concept, just with an alloy frame and new "kinda doublestack" magazine tech. |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 11:53:11 AM EDT
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Gee Aytch Eee Wye.
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Posted: 1/6/2022 12:06:07 PM EDT
[#40]
Odds are pretty strong I will end up with one. But only after the optics ready version appears.
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Posted: 1/6/2022 12:23:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gee Aytch Eee Wye. english? |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 1:40:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/6/2022 1:42:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sort of want. In .45 apc |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 1:47:17 PM EDT
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If anyone at the company has a brain they’d size this thing up, add a grip safety and make it into a pseudo 2011 line. If they could get the accuracy/reliability there and affordable mags it would move in all sizes.
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Posted: 1/6/2022 1:50:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No optic cut, no light mount.
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Posted: 1/6/2022 1:51:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: english? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Gee Aytch Eee Wye. english? "DRINK MORE OVALTINE" |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 2:01:30 PM EDT
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So it is Chief’s Special X. Interesting
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Posted: 1/6/2022 3:21:43 PM EDT
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I didn't realize it till it hit my email this morning. This is not a competitor to the sig 365, S&W Shield, Glock Whatever or the Hellcat.
This is basically a modern Colt Mustang/Springfield 911/Sig 938. And given the demand for these micro-double stack striker fired guns, I can't believe there's enough demand to put the engineering and marketing into what's essentially another micro 1911. I mean I'm a S&W fanboi, but really? I own several M&P's and I own a 1911 and a sig 938. 10 to 12 rounds, that's great, but if I'm going to buy, it's going to be another striker fired plastic gun. I loved the 10mm and the Shield plus, but I put this down there with that Keltec shotgun they copied. |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 3:25:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No optic cut, no light mount. And not every gun needs them. We are awash in options now and that's a good thing. |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 3:32:14 PM EDT
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That doesn't look bad at all.
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