Look at those numbers again. That isn't a happy place for ANYONE, no clear lines, no clear breaks. I think it's more city vs rural divide, but more to it than that. Like Portland Or, most of the pop of that city is NOT happy. We are looking at a totally divided house of cards. NOT COOL. It's a mess, and I don't think it's a accident. I don't know any good that comes from the way they keep pushing and dividing people.

Yep and if you think about areas you know well and start drawing lines around Red/Blue and you have "states" that look like a polka dotted octopus. More like blobs with legs and holes in them, no nice crisp lines. And even while doing that, you have 25% of the pop in those areas being 100% the opposed to the 75% in that area. It's a total mess. BUT most of the hate on ALL sides flows from the actions of the political critters that seem to be working to divide this nation. If one could unite the "sides" to a common goal, I think a lot of common ground can be found. And maybe the nation could start to heal. BUT all the media does is drive in wedges. I think it's all about people in gov wanting MORE and MORE powder and control. If people are looking the other way, they can get away with more and more. Those is power never want to give up there power.

Hopefully the south will take me in as a political refugee.

Here's a link to a recent opinion piece about breaking up large states into smaller ones, including taking mega cities like LA and NYC, and converting them into their own state. I posted this with a link to the NYT in another discussion, but not many people could access the article.

Salt Lake Tribune link - also appeared in NYT, but required registration to view

Edited to include quote.

"The solution has clear precedent in American history: break up the largest states, ideally into components with populations as close to the state median as possible. Kentucky was created out of territory that originally belonged to Virginia, as was Tennessee from North Carolina territory and Maine from the territory of Massachusetts. No constitutional amendment would be required; per the terms of Article IV, creating states from a state that already exists would merely require the state legislature to vote to split up and for Congress to assent. And unlike consolidating smaller states, which would reduce their citizens’ representation, splitting up the large states would increase it, giving their voters a reason to be supportive.

Congress could help structure the process by setting a minimum size for new states (say, one-half the population of the median state, about 2.25 million) and requiring them to have territorial integrity and avoid partisan gerrymandering, all of which would help assure that the break up improved national governance. But carving the four megastates into three or more states each might have a host of benefits for their internal governance as well.

For example, New York City currently lacks many powers that are crucial to management, like full control of its transportation system. If, as part of a larger national reorganization, New York City were to become a city-state — as Berlin, Hamburg and Bremen are in Germany — it could assume most of those powers, while its senators in Washington could focus on a national agenda relevant to urban America. Inasmuch as New York City needs partners to coordinate with, the most important ones are in New Jersey and Connecticut, not in Buffalo and Rochester — so splitting up New York State could give new momentum to proposals for regional governance across state lines. Meanwhile, upstate New York would have a better chance at pursuing its own development in ways that suit its commonality with other Rust Belt regions without being captive to the needs and preferences of a city with which it has had little in common economically since the near obsolescence of the Erie Canal.

Similarly, splitting California into at least three states — as has been proposed before, most recently in a failed ballot initiative — would allow its very different regions to pursue policies appropriate to their character and interests. California could even plausibly be broken into as many as five states, if the Bay Area and Los Angeles were hived off to become city-states, which they are certainly populous enough to be.

Splitting up the largest states would not necessarily favor Democrats or Republicans — which is another reason it might be a good idea and why Congress might want to condition approval of one state breakup on others, much as Maine and Missouri were admitted in 1820 and 1821 to preserve the national balance between free and slave states. New York City would undoubtedly be a safe Democratic state — but upstate New York might well be as competitive between the parties as Pennsylvania is today. A state carved out of northern Florida would likely be reliably Republican, but the central region would probably be purple, while southern Florida would have a Democratic lean. Carving up Texas, meanwhile, would open up opportunities for Democrats but could also lower the temperature on the possibility of the state’s flipping blue by giving residents of Lubbock and Midland an escape route to a safely red republic."

More people voted for Donald Trump in California than any other State, it's just that it wasn't enough to carry the State of California.

There are a ton of conservative people in California and elsewhere.  Oregon outside of Portland and Washington outside of Seattle are deeply conservative areas.  Some of the biggest gun rights 2A guys out there are in Washington State.  Eastern Oregon folks want to secede to Idaho just to be liberated from the tyranny of Portland and it's left wing suburbs.  

Nah, you don't just toss away entire states to appease a few cities of left wingers. I'm not even entirely convinced those cities are as left wing as we think they are anymore.  Not after all the allegations of fraud in the last election, now I wonder whether those people in those cities are having their votes stolen from them through fraud?    Maybe the actual citizens in those cities are having their vote cancelled by illegal aliens who are illegally voting?

Never gonna happen.

But if we are playing fantasy...

You do not give ground to communists. If the American democrats hate traditional America and the constitution so much they can all fuck right off and move to South America or Canada and then build their utopia.

 Bring it to me you America Hating commie faggots. Can't wait for you to regret starting that avalanche which you won't be able to stop!!

Well we know for a fact the Serbs were agitating so hard and early that Bismarck literally remarked decades before WW1 that a world war was going to start probably because of some damn fool place in the Balkans...

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No we didn't.  The federal asswipes who should have been confined to DC were allowed to spill over into nova.

Seriously, that was like, the WHOLE POINT of D.C.  To not let the federal government fuck with states.

Hey moron Ohio is a RED state.Fuck you and your worthless cunt governor.

Why would they do that? They control literally every facet of daily American life. You are living in their country.

It would be easier for Southern Republicans to stop democrats from conducting election fraud

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