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Posted: 7/26/2018 12:30:56 PM EDT
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What exactly do those things have to do with anything about being a political commentator? So what you are saying is that you would give his views much more credit if only he blew a load in some broad (well, as long as he said some words in front of god first)? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Shapiro identifies as a boomer. What branch of service was he in? Where is his wife and children? What job has he held in the real world? The kid is punching above his weight... So what you are saying is that you would give his views much more credit if only he blew a load in some broad (well, as long as he said some words in front of god first)? |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 12:36:57 PM EDT
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Ben Shapiro is bought and paid for by neocon assholes. He's a jackass. He has his limitations. He also isn't the usual NeverTrump. He ain't an idiot like Max Boot. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 12:39:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed. I read this article the other day and this is basically what it said as well. Despite what you read in GD, there are a lot of moderate liberals who truly have never heard a differing point of view. Show them one, without being an asshole. At the point where they get mouthy or cross a line, then all bets are off. When debating IRL I always start with respect and facts- something they have likely never heard. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 12:46:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryYeah, a lot of "convincing" going on there. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 12:47:06 PM EDT
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Nikki Haley is JEB Bush with a dick. And if Ben Shapiro is all chubbed-up about her then perhaps he's not quite what some make him out to be either. 
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Posted: 7/26/2018 12:49:25 PM EDT
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When I try to find common ground with liberals, they interrupt me half way through the first sentence and lecture me like I am a 4 year old. On gun control, I learned that: "Facts don't matter." Don't mention Trump or you get a waterfall of words about how he his taking over the US for the Russians, and are asked how anyone in their right mind could vote for him over Hillary under any circumstances. Liberals know a lot of "facts" about conservatives that I had never heard before about anybody.
Did you know that all Republicans think the Russians hacked into Hillary's server and that this led directly to the Benghazi attack? Never heard the two scandals connected before like that. 
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Posted: 7/26/2018 12:49:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Constantly interrupting his opponent to get irrelevant jabs and not even letting them finish a sentence much less form a coherent argument? Yeah, a lot of "convincing" going on there. The irony being, of course, that he was "owning" him because some people can't be convinced with logic. So you beat them down. Fighting the appeal to authority requires mocking the proposed authority. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 12:51:44 PM EDT
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You can't convince commies because commies aren't people. Also both of those people give me spook hives. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 1:03:52 PM EDT
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If they could be convinced, they wouldn't be liberals. My sister's fiance used to be a total liberal when the started dating my sis (she is probably right of me lol) and now he has gone from someone who voted for Obummer twice to a huge 2a guy who legitimately loves the idea of small government. Although graduating from med school while Obomacare is imploding and having dems trying to openly increase taxes as probably helped with that. At one point I couldn't stand the guy. Now we shoot to gather all the time. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 1:18:51 PM EDT
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Making a case with a good argument has its place. When dealing with actual leftists mocking them is the best course. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Agreed. I read this article the other day and this is basically what it said as well. Despite what you read in GD, there are a lot of moderate liberals who truly have never heard a differing point of view. Show them one, without being an asshole. At the point where they get mouthy or cross a line, then all bets are off. When debating IRL I always start with respect and facts- something they have likely never heard. When dealing with TRUE leftists and communists, I agree with you. Mock, own, belittle, whatever. Fuck those retards. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 1:26:10 PM EDT
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Start Trying To Convince (Ben Shapiro says she is "my personal spirit animal!") 
Searched, no dupe... article dated july 24 You win by fighting and pounding the other side into oblivion, not by sitting down and patiently explaining your positions and how wonderful you think they are. The other side doesn't care. They hate you and will never agree with you. Our only hope of winning is to fight hard and inspire Conservatives and the people in the middle to follow us. Leftists by and large will never listen. At best you will win over 1% of them. Big deal. also LOL @ Good for Nikki Haley. There’s a reason she’s the most popular politician in America. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 3:04:39 PM EDT
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Nikki Haley is Ben Shapiro's "spirit animal"? Holy shit what an overrated dumbass. 
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Posted: 7/26/2018 3:06:10 PM EDT
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Listening to people like this would have gotten president Hillary. Marginalizing and ridiculing a viewpoint is an extremely effective strategy thats been used against the right for years, and is now effectively being used against the left. Shapiro sometimes makes some good points, buts hes just too weird and socially inept to really understand how normal people work. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 3:06:11 PM EDT
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You cannot convince or Reason with a fanatic.
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Posted: 7/26/2018 3:10:16 PM EDT
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You can always tell a liberal, but you can't tell 'em much..
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Posted: 7/26/2018 3:13:18 PM EDT
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If they could be convinced, they wouldn't be liberals. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 3:24:55 PM EDT
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Stupid attention whore who caved like a wet paper bag in her own state. Fuck her.  |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 3:27:53 PM EDT
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He goes to great lengths to be "objective". He doesnt ha ve the balls to pick a side Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Listening to people like this would have gotten president Hillary. Marginalizing and ridiculing a viewpoint is an extremely effective strategy thats been used against the right for years, and is now effectively being used against the left. Shapiro sometimes makes some good points, buts hes just too weird and socially inept to really understand how normal people work. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 3:30:14 PM EDT
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Ah, more strategery from Ben "Trump's a big orange meanie!!"
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Clearly we need to listen and closely adhere to his Lessons On Winning. 
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Posted: 7/26/2018 3:31:01 PM EDT
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If they could be convinced, they wouldn't be liberals. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 3:35:40 PM EDT
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Ben Shapiro has brought more people to conservatism than anyone in this thread. Despite that, people like you tear him down, but for what? What are you doing to keep the left from winning? |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 3:51:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cite. name one person in this thread who has done more than Ben Shapiro. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 4:01:34 PM EDT
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You own the libs to convince the undecided and uncommitted. Undecided voters are also stupid and want to vote for a winner. Winners dont get ridiculed. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 4:01:58 PM EDT
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Didn’t Shapiro quit his job to white knight her? If he’s that tool then why would anyone give two shits what his elitist ass has to say.
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Posted: 7/26/2018 4:08:56 PM EDT
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Stupid bon mot is stupid. name one person in this thread who has done more than Ben Shapiro. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Cite. name one person in this thread who has done more than Ben Shapiro. No one outside of the "true conservative" circlejerk pays any attention to him. He's basically an asexually-reproduced William F Buckley Jr, Jr. OTOH, it's pretty surprising how many non-political people have mentioned Milo, and even more surprising that the general sentiment seemed positive. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 4:14:55 PM EDT
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Why "own" libs when you can sell out conservatives? -Nikki Haley |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 4:16:48 PM EDT
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You cannot convince a true believer of leftism anything. You can make the less diehards feel embarrassed to be associated with them though.
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Posted: 7/26/2018 4:30:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If we're gonna beat it to death with literalism, I'll nominate myself since I can solidly claim *one* convert. And I can preach to the choir in GD all day, which is pretty much what Shapiro does. No one outside of the "true conservative" circlejerk pays any attention to him. He's basically an asexually-reproduced William F Buckley Jr, Jr. OTOH, it's pretty surprising how many non-political people have mentioned Milo, and even more surprising that the general sentiment seemed positive. You can't claim a guy with millions of followers, a regular on fox news, a guy who lectures on college campuses regularly and with millions of youtube views is irrelevant. You are just looking stupid at this point. You can't deny William F. Buckley's impact without looking stupid, either. If you are comparing him to Buckley, you are admitting I am right. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 4:36:18 PM EDT
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He is a journalist, journalist are supposed to be objective. Just because almost none of them are doesn’t mean they are not supposed to be. Writing in the opinion pages is very different than writing on page 1. At least, it is supposed to be. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 4:45:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't disagree. I just think we make the mistake all too often of lumping together everyone who disagrees with us about anything as leftists, and that's just not the case. Quite a few have quite literally never heard an opposing argument, or if they have it was a terribly presented one. When dealing with TRUE leftists and communists, I agree with you. Mock, own, belittle, whatever. Fuck those retards. Usually those arguing in these threads fall in to one of those groups. People who are not aligned one way or another are not inclined to spend much time arguing in political threads. You also get trolls who claim to be on the fence or looking at it objectively, but who are not what they claim. Usually I treat them as if they are what they claim until it becomes beyond obvious they are not. I also keep in mind that if I have a good argument, it may sway some lurker, and it may give my allies another idea on how to argue a particular point. So I will do my best to present good arguments even if it seems to be the casting of pearls before swine judged by the person I'm arguing with. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 4:56:07 PM EDT
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When I try to find common ground with liberals, they interrupt me half way through the first sentence and lecture me like I am a 4 year old. On gun control, I learned that: "Facts don't matter." Don't mention Trump or you get a waterfall of words about how he his taking over the US for the Russians, and are asked how anyone in their right mind could vote for him over Hillary under any circumstances. Liberals know a lot of "facts" about conservatives that I had never heard before about anybody. Did you know that all Republicans think the Russians hacked into Hillary's server and that this led directly to the Benghazi attack? Never heard the two scandals connected before like that. For example: "How can you not believe in Russian collusion? It's on every single news channel! And Trump, oh my God, such a terrible father. I feel sorry for his kids. Obama was such a great father and a good family man but Trump is a philandering jerk who probably beats his wife." My neighbor spews that sort of stuff every single day non-stop. It's like arguing with a brick wall. You will never get through that. Our only hope is to motivate other Conservatives and get a few of the people in the middle. The Leftists are too far gone. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 4:57:22 PM EDT
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On the internet we mostly argue with either leftists, or among our own (who we shouldn't mock). You can now add in NeverTrump. Usually those arguing in these threads fall in to one of those groups. People who are not aligned one way or another are not inclined to spend much time arguing in political threads. You also get trolls who claim to be on the fence or looking at it objectively, but who are not what they claim. Usually I treat them as if they are what they claim until it becomes beyond obvious they are not. I also keep in mind that if I have a good argument, it may sway some lurker, and it may give my allies another idea on how to argue a particular point. So I will do my best to present good arguments even if it seems to be the casting of pearls before swine judged by the person I'm arguing with. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I don't disagree. I just think we make the mistake all too often of lumping together everyone who disagrees with us about anything as leftists, and that's just not the case. Quite a few have quite literally never heard an opposing argument, or if they have it was a terribly presented one. When dealing with TRUE leftists and communists, I agree with you. Mock, own, belittle, whatever. Fuck those retards. Usually those arguing in these threads fall in to one of those groups. People who are not aligned one way or another are not inclined to spend much time arguing in political threads. You also get trolls who claim to be on the fence or looking at it objectively, but who are not what they claim. Usually I treat them as if they are what they claim until it becomes beyond obvious they are not. I also keep in mind that if I have a good argument, it may sway some lurker, and it may give my allies another idea on how to argue a particular point. So I will do my best to present good arguments even if it seems to be the casting of pearls before swine judged by the person I'm arguing with. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 4:58:18 PM EDT
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Ben Shapiro has brought more people to conservatism than anyone in this thread. Despite that, people like you tear him down, but for what? What are you doing to keep the left from winning? Think about that. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 5:52:15 PM EDT
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Nikki Haley is a talking head who is more concerned about being popular than doing what is right. She whats nothing more than to advance her political career.
If you listen to her awhile it will not take long to hear her repeat the exact same talking points over and over. If she is asked a question she hasn't a prepared answer for she will try to steer the conversation back to her rehearsed script. It is amazing the number of people Nikki Haley has fooled with her charade. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 5:55:04 PM EDT
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You own the die hard commies so that the normies observing can learn the truth!
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Posted: 7/26/2018 6:02:46 PM EDT
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But how will we enjoy the sounds of their lamentations?
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Posted: 7/26/2018 6:05:04 PM EDT
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The ones not deranged...got it.
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Posted: 7/26/2018 6:06:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: now they are losing in social media this is not the time to relent These fucking idiot RINO, cuck, LOSERS see victory in the distance and instantly relent/surrender/feels. They are the problem. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 6:38:57 PM EDT
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The left has gone beyond the point of logical thought and concourse in conversation. They have been trained to immediately retreat into their I am offended, you are a Nazi/racist/homophobe/xenophobe...etc. hysterical shrieking as soon as they realize you have a different point of view. Their world revolves around 10 second sound bytes, misstated and misrepresented facts, and outright lies. Bathhouse Barry drove an ideological wedge into this country of which we are still seeing the repercussions. Until there is a willingness to acknowledge facts then there can be no middle ground or substantive conversation. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 6:54:10 PM EDT
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FNH
FJM |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 6:58:51 PM EDT
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I like Ambassador Haley. She is sharper than a razor blade and I’d agree with her on this issue but I feel that’s a ship don’t sail.
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Posted: 7/26/2018 7:04:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like Shapiro. But I am trying to be objective. He's out there making contact in hostile territory and pulling no punches. It will be interesting to see what his approach will be when he's done this long enough to have the depth of experience that matches the depth of his intellect. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 7:20:45 PM EDT
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I like what I see so far. He's a work in progress, I think. He's out there making contact in hostile territory and pulling no punches. It will be interesting to see what his approach will be when he's done this long enough to have the depth of experience that matches the depth of his intellect. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 7:25:02 PM EDT
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Oh look two people "on our side" whose opinions I don't give a fuck about.
Little Benji the Neo-Con Warmonger and "Tear down the Flag" Haley. fuck both of 'em. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 7:26:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He is trying to be William F. Buckley in an age when we need Conan the Barbarian. Some of our brawlers will brawl for the right ideas, but aren't capable of coming up with or defending those ideas on the merits themselves. I don't mean "brawler" to be purely physical. I also mean those who can skewer. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 7:27:07 PM EDT
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I'd say it's not either or proposition. Survey the battleground and convince those you can but politics is a contact sport and much of the left doesn't look like they're interested in taking prisoners, so draw and quarter leftist talking points for those you can't |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 7:28:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He is trying to be William F. Buckley in an age when we need Conan the Barbarian.  Conan, what is best in life? |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 7:28:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stupid bon mot is stupid. name one person in this thread who has done more than Ben Shapiro. He's put a young face on conservatism, in some circles. That's it. Milo is more influential. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 7:28:47 PM EDT
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You own the die hard commies so that the normies observing can learn the truth! |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 7:31:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryDon't forget this piece of life advice as well.
 Conan the Barbarian - The Secret of Steel HQ |
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