It certainly favors the US more than it favors Russia. There is a slight positive for Putin domestically if he is 100% dedicated to the war but overall it is better for the US, and others than it is for Putin.

He isn’t making decisions but he often lets the truth slip out, such as the voter fraud. That is why they try to tightly control his speech.

When you guys refuse to recognize reality, you really need to start to rethink your position.

We don’t know who blew up the pipeline, but to discount evidence and motives that don’t support your preconceived notions is a big problem.

Why would the people who planned / did this tell Biden?
People smart enough to pull it off wouldn’t tell him.

Putin says U.S. created nuclear precedent by bombing Japan: Crazed Russian leader claims 'Anglo-Saxons' blew up Nord Stream, says U.S. is occupying Germany and Korea, and warns he'll use 'all forces' to defend four annexed Ukraine regions


Vladimir Putin accused the United States of creating a nuclear weapons 'precedent' by bombing Japan at the end of the second World War in an unhinged speech calling the West 'satanists' and accusing 'Anglo Saxons' of blowing up the Nord Stream pipelines.

The Russian despot ranted about sex-change operations, claimed America is occupying Germany and Korea and vowed to 'smash' the West in the disturbing remarks as he announced the annexation of four regions in Ukraine.

His saber-rattling is another terrifying hint that he is prepared to use nuclear weapons as he vowed to use 'all available means' to hold onto Russian-occupied areas of Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk and Luhansk.





Again, he blamed the West for his invasion of Ukraine because they believe Russia is a 'colony' and a 'band of slaves, and wants to break it up into smaller states who 'will be fighting against each other'.

President Joe Biden released a statement Friday claiming that the annexations have 'no legitimacy' and will not be recognized by the U.S. He also announced a new set of sanctions in response to the move.

'The United States will always honor Ukraine's internationally recognized borders,' Biden said in the statement, adding: 'We will continue to support Ukraine's efforts to regain control of its territory by strengthening its hand militarily and diplomatically.'

'In response to Russia's phony claims of annexation, the United States, together with our Allies and partners, are announcing new sanctions today,' the president released in his Friday statement. 'These sanctions will impose costs on individuals and entities -- inside and outside of Russia -- that provide political or economic support to illegal attempts to change the status of Ukrainian territory.'

The U.S. Treasury Department updated its list of sanctions for Russia-related individuals and entities to include the Russian Central Bank Governor Elvira Nabiullina and Russia Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Novak.

The Russian president said westerners have made the leap from issuing sanctions to conducting 'terror attacks' in a hostile speech delivered from the Kremlin.

The West sabotaging Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines was an attempt to 'destroy the European energy infrastructure,' he claimed – and added that 'those who profit from it have done it,' without naming a specific country.

Fears of nuclear war have grown since Putin confirmed last week he was 'not bluffing' when he said Russia was prepared to use nuclear weapons to defend its territory.

He claimed that there is 'centuries-old Russophobia' against his country and people because they dared defend themselves from western colonization.





He also said any country who wants to 'live by the rules of the United States' are 'political masochists.'

Putin even made the outlandish claim that the U.S. is occupying Germany in downplaying the relationship between the two nations.

'Germany is still their vassal, but the United States is still calling them an 'equal ally'. This is a real shame,' the Russian leader said.

Announcing on Friday that he was annexing four Ukrainian regions, Putin delivered a blistering speech claiming Russia would use 'all the power and all the means' at its disposal to defend its new lands from attacks by the West or Ukraine and to help liberate the world.

The Russian despot, speaking in front of his cronies in Moscow, declared that 'millions of people' had 'opted' to become vassals of Russia after staging sham referendums in which gun-toting troops went door-to-door with clear glass ballot boxes in order to force people to vote.

'They are our people, forever,' he said to a standing ovation inside the Kremlin's grand Georgian Hall before calling on Ukraine and its Western allies to abandon hopes of re-taking them, repeating a threat to use 'all forces' to defend the 'new territories'.

He said: 'The West wants to see Russia as a colony, an unfree society.'

'One of the reasons for the centuries-old Russophobia is that we did not allow ourselves to be robbed during the period of colonization, we forced Europe to trade on an equal footing,' Putin added, claiming he has plans for 'intervention.'

Putin slammed the U.S. for being the only country to have twice used nuclear weapons against another nation and also accused America of leaving a 'terrible mark on the history of Korea and Vietnam' with engagements in conflicts in both conflicts.


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So why did Victoria Nuland answer the questions about them the way she did?  She did more to substantiate the accusations than anyone else. I had assumed it was all Russian propaganda until I saw her answer about them.

And of course, many here will fall for Putin's/Kremlin's bullshit hook, line, and sinker. He even managed to squeeze in "sex-change operations" as a honeypot for gullible Christians and Patriots! LOL!

The problem is that you feel there are two sides to the Ukrainian coin but there are more than two. I never cared for Nuland at all and criticized her meddling in Ukrainian affairs and promotion of the EU. No one on your side likes to bring up Paul Manafort either for some reason...

The fact is that someone blew some shit up.

The fact is that nobody knows who did it.

That hasn't stopped the OP and other misinformation agents from blaming the US for whatever motives they have.

When you refuse to recognize reality, you really should start rethinking your position.

There you go, just like OP, lapping up the out of context bullshit that's fed to you.

Enjoy your fake reality.  

Still no confirmation as to who blew the pipelines, or really even any evidence. And yet, the thread title remains retarded...

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I agree, the Ukrainian bros are just as bad as the Russian trolls about it. Both make claims that are impossible to substantiate.

No, he was clearly referring to a planned secret operation to destroy both pipelines, despite the conversation in the context of continued German support for the Nordstream 2 project.

This was a secret operation planned before the invasion, and briefed to the president before the invasion, despite the fact that the operation wouldn't be conducted until 6+ months after the invasion. This, despite the entirety of the U.S. policy community being sure the war wouldn't last nut a few weeks.

This operation that was to be conducted to make sure Germany couldn't use those pipelines, and would wait until long after Germany ended their support of Nordstream 2 (which they, only coincidentally, did right after the invasion) and would, in fact, wait until a few weeks after Russia very publicly opted to shutdown Nordstream 1.

All of this despite the fact that, while the U.S. has been very publicly opposed to Germany over Nordstream 2, the U.S. has always supporter Nordstream 1 and actually condemned Russia for shutting it off in August, with Russia citing it needed "repairs."

So, the U.S. waited until then to conduct this operation while Russia was actively trying to repair it (I mean, Russia wouldn't have lied about that) and patrolling the region more than usual, months after the U.S. thought the war would be over and Russia would be occupying Ukraine. This was all part of the plan. And this is what Biden meant back before the invasion.

If you accept any other possibility you are a Biden supporter.

I don't think it's being discounted, it's simply pointing out that he cannot be trusted. We can't magically trust him when it suits our preconceived notions. Maybe he let the truth slip, maybe he just said something stupid. We simply don't know, and pretending like this is "evidence" is a stretch.

Thanks for clearing it up, it all makes sense now!

If I was the Russians and did it, I would have had that video clip of Biden ready to go viral after the reports of this surfaced.

I went back and edited. I forgot to mention how perfectly reasonable it is that the U.S. would have planned a special operation to respond to Russian aggression 6 months after the U.S. thought the war would be all but over.

Putin can get fucked.

It seems that he is oddly committed to this war with every intent of weakening Russia from a long term strategic perspective. If you wanna talk 'conspiracy theories' I wouldn't be surprised if he's working with 'globohomo' to deliberately undermine Russia with a disastrous war. If even half of the US/NATO/Ukie propaganda can be believed, and assuming that lines of a map are even close, Russia is flat out getting its ass gaped open. Which to me, would make it incredibly shocking, stupid, and nonsensical to double down and remove your own bargaining chip from the table. You are removing your one 'out' from a war that you will definitely lose.

So to argue that Russia is the culprit then, is to say:

1) Putin is insane, like, more insane than any leader in world history has ever been. More insane than Hitler in Berlin even.

or

2) Russia has some means to actually win, even if it means the adoption of war measures we may not have seen yet.

I for one, am so anti-Russian propaganda I am not convinced 2 is even possible, their military is absolute shit, and 1 is naive propaganda from the US that we tell little children so they can look at the world in a way that makes sense to a childish mind. Leaders don't magically go mad (yes even Hitler or Stalin), you just don't get told what the other sides motives really are because that takes too much time or may make you sympathetic to them. That's why I say the US or an ally, or some undisclosed 3rd party did it.

I don't know that he went mad, but leaders who are surrounded by yes men start to believe their own bullshit *all* the fucking time. We've all seen a boss or CEO like that.

Da, Comrade, military is strong. We have 17,000 tanks in tip top shape. While in reality those generals have been stealing left, right and center.

Kim Iverson: Gas Leak Theory -  The Most Likely Suspect Revealed

Putin’s Beluga has slipped off his toast point.

of course you make a good point....but on major policy issues especially in the area of energy policy he pretty much tells us exactly what he's going to do.  It's all bad but if we just look at doing what he claims....he's batting hall of fame numbers.

He is a mush mouth idiot...with dementia.  I'm not claiming any of this is his idea, but his administration is executing to a plan that he does (poorly) articulate.

That doesn't mean his statement is proof of anything, but the various factions in our government all pretty much agree that the NS pipelines were a problem.   Now they aren't.  20 Billion dollars worth of someones property went kb!

That's 2 super carriers.  or 10 B2s.  That's half the budget for Russia's entire military.  

Whoever did it, is escalating this situation in a serious way.

Well who is it, I'm not watching 20 minutes BS to find out.

If you search history on Nord 2 its pretty clear we were strongly againist it.

Ukraine, Poland and others were strongly againist it.

Ukraine was especially bitching about the 2 billion yr loss of revenue.

I can't find any news of anyone supporting it other than Germany and Russia and that is actually telling really.

Of all the retarded things Russia could do is blow up the line.

That seem very last ditch and in full retreat.

This is a huge escalation that does not play into Russia hands and actually forces a play.

Yup, and I doubt its the Russians who are already basically loosing. So why escalate it. Whereas lots of parties have a vested interest in shipping LNG to germany at top tier prices. Even after the war ends.

If he said this a week ago, I'd agree. He said this 7 months ago....

Kim Iverson??? LOL! Some of Putin defender Kim's revealing stories and posts:

Kim Iversen
@KimIversenShow
Ukraine shouldn’t fight back. No one should. Let it go.
11:01 PM · Feb 24, 2022
·Twitter for iPhone
Kim Iversen
@KimIversenShow
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Feb 25
Replying to
@KimIversenShow
If Ukraine fights back it will be devastating and the outcome won’t be any different. They can’t fight Russia on this, no one can. Best to let it go for now and use democracy in the future. Don’t kill yourselves. Seriously.

Piss-Poor Ukraine War Reporting INSULTS American’s Intelligence

Bucha Was A BRITISH 'Special Op’ & Ukraine Peace Talks Are DEAD, According To Putin  - LO fucking L

Former NATO Analyst & Top UN Official Says THIS Is The REAL Reason For War In Ukraine (and it just so happens the Kremlin - another Russian defense piece: Separatists were not supported by Russia???!!!!! LOL!

Is Ukraine a Convenient War for Democrats? - more BS

US Admits To Using PROPAGANDA To PSYCH Putin Out - she loves Putin, I wonder how she gets her funding laundered...

Even HENRY KISSINGER Says Ukraine Should NEGOTIATE, Not Fight - Is there anyone in the deep state as old as Henry???

According to her, Putin is always in the right, persecuted by the west, and Ukraine has no right to exist separate from Russia.

What does blowing up the line do that shutting to down unilaterally for "repairs" doesn't?

especially if they can get their useful idiot network leveraging the incident to accuse their own governments and further decrease support of Ukraine?

I genuinely don't see a single negative for Russia here, beyond what they had already decided was the way forward - no more Nordstream 1.

I see only positives.

Other than the aforementioned propaganda ploy / system test, they also have more leverage over Europe with regard to turning the taps on. Now, it's not just a policy thing, but a "oh, we'd love to, but with sanctions in place we'd never be able to make the needed repairs."

What am I missing?

Kim Iverson is a fucking retard

Holy shit

He was making up an absolute ABSURD scenario to show how unlikely it is that Biden's speech 7th months ago meant anything beyond a goofy old man gibbering.

And you thought he was being serious.

She thinks it's POLAND

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According to Wikipedia.
"In November 2015, Nord Stream found a disabled underwater drone with a small amount of explosives on the pipeline near Öland, and requested the Swedish Navy to remove it."

I found that interesting and thought I would share.

Newsom from California did it. He's exporting his communist "Gas Shutdown" to all nations now

Yea,
I don't really see a downside either.
I am fairly convinced that Russia did it.
How long would it take to repair the pipeline if there was no war ongoing?
Weeks? Months? Years?

If they want to resurrect an old clip of Biden, resurrect that one that states that he warned Ukraine that Russia was about to invade, and Putin and Russia called him insane in front of the whole world. We don't see that one much anymore.

DoD is trolling

The flag flies everywhere \uD83C\uDDFA\uD83C\uDDF8. @USNavy sailors assigned to various Naval Special Warfare commands operate a diver propulsion device during high-altitude dive training in northern California. pic.twitter.com/P2iFbXcauI

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Good Discussion.  Thanks!

If I told you OP was a QAnon fan, would you be surprised?  

Not even a little lol

Repairs concurrent with an internal Russian succession war certainly won't be happening.

Link?

It takes it offline for the long term, thus removing it as a bargaining chip in peace talks.  Other than that, it is relatively meaningless.

So who wants to remove it as a bargaining chip?  Putin, to quell internal dissent and anti-Russian, pro-war elements in the US

ETA and other pro-war elements in the west.

That would be pretty ballsy. Because they want to fight the Russians to the last Ukrainian?